>> thank you, good to see you, joe. tune in to see the film halston, it premiers sunday 9:00 p.m. only on cnn. all right. thank you so much for joining us, everybody. ac 360 starts right now. /s >> good evening. thanks for joining us. buckle up because late today, yesterday's presidential flip-flop after tuesday's phlegm, monday's flop on taxes got flipped yet again. that's right. follow along. in another about face as more evidence of a slowing economy comes to light, according to maggie haberman and baker of "the new york times," even some people who once worked closely with the president are voicing concerns he's acting erratically. i'm quoting now. some former trump administration officials in recent days said they are increasingly worried about the president's behavior suggesting it stems from rising pressure on mr. trump because the economy seems more worrisome as next year's election approaches. that's the latest flip on something the president did a

180 on just yesterday. >> i'm not looking at a tax cut now. we don't need it. we have a strong economy. >> so not looking at a tax cut now, and again that was just a day after he said that he was looking at a tax cut now, which in turn came a day after the white house denied that he was looking at a tax cut now. so the bottom line is here's where things stood last night when we left you. the president took tax cuts off the table after putting them there the day before and early this evening larry kudlow, his top economic advisor, put them right back. >> we're looking at what i sometimes call tax cuts 2.0, to improve the long-term growth of the economy. so to clarify again on the tax question, there's no reason why we shouldn't be -- and, in fact, we are -- developing, again, tax cuts 2.0, we're touching base with all the key people in the administration -- >> but larry, it seems the president took 2.0 off the table

yesterday. >> well, he didn't. >> well, he did. we have the tape. look at it again. >> i'm not looking at a tax cut now. we don't need it. we have a strong economy. >> so you're keeping score, that's four flip-flops in four days. larry kudlow went on to say that the president was only talking about short-term tax cuts to boost a sagging economy. like a payroll tax cut which the president said he was looking at the day before. the administration just, i don't know, he says the administration doesn't buy those kind of short-term cuts to boost the economy. just seconds later he laid out a timetable for these cuts that he says they are looking at that certainly appear short term. >> forgive me for interrupting, but how soon -- i mean, might we see tax cuts, more tax cuts before the election? >> before the election? yes. in fact, you might even see tax cuts 2.0, which would drive additional tax relief and create

additional tax incentives for middle class folks, for blue collar workers, for small businesses. additional incentives, additional tax cuts. and you might see that during the campaign to be perfectly honest. >> so on this notion of short term versus long term, seems like that's nonsense, playing word games unless he's talking about the 2024 elections, which he's not. it's understandable why the white house may be concerned, showing they're concerned. the leading manufacturing index is slowing, shrinking to the lowest point in 119 months. at the same time today vice-president pence tweeted, manufacturing has come roaring back in america. in fact, according to new data from the bureau of labor statistics, the ee other economy created half a million fewer jobs through march of this year. there were with downward adjustments in -- excuse me, nearly every category including

manufacturing. one contributor, the 2017 tax cuts that did not work as promised. >> this is our once in a generation opportunity to deliver real tax reform for everyday hard working americans. >> this plan is going to lower the debt to gdp. >> the economic plan under trump will grow the economy. >> nothing drives economic growth like capital investment. >> this will pay for itself with growth and with reduced -- reduction of different deductions and closing loopholes. >> well, it didn't pay for itself. the growth was less than expected, and the revenue hit was so big the congressional budget office now predicts a 2020 deficit of a trillion dollars. a trillion dollars, and by 2029, a national debt that is bigger as a share of the economy than any time since world war ii. which is something you'll recall that candidate trump was all against back when it was the other guy's far smaller problem.

>> we have debt on debt on debt. >> we have to get rid of t. >> reduce our 18 trillion in debt because, believe me, we're in a bubble. we owe 19 trillion as a country, and we're going to knock it down. >> we pay it back so easily. >> how? ee it's easy to pay it back. >> easy when you're just talking on tv. not so easy when you're actually president. more now on all this from sneenz kaitlan collins who joins us from the white house. these comments from larry kudlow -- it's hard to see it as anything other than a change to the white house that's saying this week about tax cuts. and the president has been all over the map on this. >> it fits perfectly into this pattern, this week of mixed messaging you're seeing coming out of the white house over whether or not they're pursuing something like a payroll tax cut or not, which has gone back and forth. but, anderson, really what that shows you is that there is a high level of uncertainty in this white house over how to respond to these warning signs that are flashing of the potential of an economic downturn. there's been some disagreements

inside the west wing of the president's economic team which we reported in the past. they have very different views from each other. now today you see larry kudlow proposing something like unveiling new tax cuts before the 2020 election, which really truly is not that far away. but, of course, even if that is something that they do try to propose in the next year and a half or so, it's not something that's going to pass congress likely. basically zero chance of passing especially with the fact that democrats control the house. but you are seeing different ways that the aides are trying to give the president signs, they are trying to stave off what could be a downturn or a dip in the economy. >> or, you know, we had the quote from the maggie haberman and peter baker of "the new york times" of former people who used to work for the president, concerned about erratic behavior, or white house officials saying anything about this behind the scenes? >> the fact of the matter is publicly they are saying we're not worried about the economy. when it comes to this issue specifically, they're saying we have a lot of optimism, we don't

see a recession in the future. that's what larry kudlow said not long ago a few moments ago. in reality the people behind the scenes are paying attention to what these trends are showing. they are worried about it and they're telling the president that, they're being honest with him and he's responding in kind. he knows a lot of his reelection hinges on the economy. that's why you're seeing the president lash out in ways about the economy. yes, i'm considering this, and then when one aide shows the president that actually, remember, president obama is someone who instituted that payroll tax cut in 2012, that's something the president then came out against yesterday, citing what president obama did. so they're trying to propose all these different ways to stave this off, and the president is responding in kind saying publicly he's fine with it, but behind the scenes aides are saying that is not the case that's happening inside the west wing. >> kim collins, appreciate it. perspective now on the money and the politics, joining us cnn political commentator david urban in addition to being a campaign strategist, a washington corporate lobbyist, defense, transportation and energy companies. also joining us cnn political

commentator "washington post" opinion columnist catherine ramble. catherine -- ram pell, sorry. >> it's okay, everybody gets it wrong. >> there won't be a third. what do you marek -- at the very least, mixed messaging. the white house says they're not talking about payroll tax cuts or looking at it, the president says they are, then they are not, then they are. >> i think what's interesting here, the common theme behind this sort of flip-flopping on both tax cuts and trade as well as a bunch of other dumb ideas, i would argue economic ideas this administration has adopted, it always follows the same pattern. it starts out with trump saying, don't listen to the experts, they're wrong. i know that they say this thing that i'm going to do has predictability bad consequence. believe me, that's his phrase, there won't be any costs. china is going to pay for the tariffs, the tax cuts will pay for themselves.

when faced with an abundance of evidence suggesting in fact there will be pain, americans are paying the tariffs, the tax cuts are not paying for themselves, he just doubles down, right? and he says, no, no, no, okay, maybe there is like a little bit of pain now. short-term pain, long-term gain, it will payoff in the end. and the solution is more tax cuts. more tariffs, right? and it's like they deserve, you know, an olympic medal in goal post moving at some point. >> david, i saw you shaking your head. what do you make of this? what's your stance on this? >> well, look, so there is so much to unpack. the tariffs, up until this point i agree with my friend peter navarro i believe tariffs in china are working in having the intended effect of creating pressure there in china. also the american consumers aren't paying for it, the chinese -- >> there are four studies that disagree with you. >> can i finish? >> wait a minute.

>> the chinese devalue their currency, and they cut prices. tax cuts do have an impact. people invest, reinvest more money. ask thousands and millions of folks who got a thousand bucks in their pocket, what they did with that, if that had any impact in their life. they do have an impact. when you're talking about an election year, you're talking about tax cuts for the middle class, small businesses, for working families, i heard what kaitlan said about send it up to the house and see what speaker pelosi would like to do with that. if the democrats want to vote against tax cuts for working class families and small businesses during election year, they do so at their own peril. to your point, anderson, the economy has been the strong suit in this president's, you know, hand here. a.p. poll recently out yesterday -- today points all people, parties, independents, republicans view the president's performance on the economy much more favorably than anything else. >> right. david, first of all, the president has not been saying what you just said. the president said they're not

looking at tax cuts at all yesterday very clearly, although the day before he said that they are. the day before that the white house said they aren't. now today the white house says they are. just from a messaging standpoint they clearly seem disorganized. >> from a messaging standpoint it could be cleaned up a bit obviously. but i don't think -- look, i think if we learned, nothing is off the table in this administration, right? there's one decider in chief here, and until he says it's completely off the table, it's not off the table. so just because -- >> even if he says it's off the table, it may not be off the table. >> exactly. and that makes it difficult, right, for his republican allies in the congress to kind of move forward on plans like a 2.0. >> it also makes it difficult for folks like you to come on television and definitively state what the policy is. catherine, just in terms of the economics of this, i mean, republicans used to care about the deficit. under president obama there were, you know, there was so

much focus understandably on the deficit and concern about it. you don't hear any republicans talking about the deficit. certainly this president going after president obama on a much smaller deficit makes no mention. >> well, and the other important point to make about the deficit and the fact that it's growing is that it's been growing as the economy has been good, right? i mean normally you see deficits growing when the economy is weak. the increases we saw in the deficit under obama were related to the great recession. were related to the fact that tax revenues fell. people were using more unemployment benefits and that sort of thing. and we had stimulus measures because the economy needed it. what's disturbing is the deficit he's been growing despite the fact that we are now in the longest expansion on record, which suggests that there isn't going to be a sudden turn in the business cycle that's going to rescue us from these trends. i just want to be clear about the conversation that we've been having so far. business investment is not up. business investment fell last quarter. gdp growth was up for a year

when we had a nice fiscal stimulus, when we didn't need it. but it's back and slow to what it was before. job growth is what it was under obama. so this idea that suddenly, you know, trump came into office and like the red sea parted and the economy transformed is just not true. >> david, about the a.p. poll that you mention, i want to point out that his approval is actually i mean pretty under water when it comes to handling the economy, 51 to 56%. that's clearly a problem for you. >> the president's numbers have never been traditionally strong, anderson. they've always operated in that 39 to 45% range regardless. but his strongest numbers are on the economy. so when you pointed out before that people in the white house and others get nervous, listen, james card well famously stated it's the economy, stupid. every president that occupies the white house gets it. this president like all presidents will live and die in

the economy. >> how much -- how much of what we're seeing in the economy, catherine, do you think is a direct result of president trump's own decisions, how much is just a global cycle? >> so, presidents generally get too much credit when the economy is good, too much blame when the economy is bad. they can affect things on the margin. and i would argue that the things that he's done that he attributes to -- that he has used to explain why the economy has been growing are basically overstated. right. we had again, a temporary fiscal stimulus from his tax cuts that is now fading. to the extent that he's having an effect on the economy now, it's the uncertainty he's created through the tariffs. he can't control the nine other economies right now that are in recession or on the verge of recession. that doesn't help us. china slow down doesn't help us. but we're not helping china either by trying to make them suffer more. so he is affecting things on the margin mostly through consumer

confidence -- business confidence. >> we have to leave it there. catherine, appreciate it. david, final thought? >> i disagree obviously. voluminous amount of red tape and regulations in washington gave businesses a great deal of confidence to invest and expand. and the tax cuts did have an impact. i have to agree to disagree on those two points. >> data suggests otherwise. >> a coming up next more new polling on the president's job approval. the state of california over cars and clean air, california governor gavin newsom joins us tonight on 360. family meeting! busy! well, i'm going to t-mobile and for every iphone ten r i buy, they'll give me another one. but if you're busy... iphone ten r? let's go! for a limited time, come to t-mobile and for each iphone ten r you get, get a second one on us. back then, we checked ...zero times a day. times change. eyes haven't. that's why there's ocuvite. screen light... sunlight... longer hours... eyes today are stressed! but ocuvite has vital nutrients... ...that help protect them. ocuvite. eye nutrition for today.

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if the economy is weighing on president trump, he won't find much comfort in the polls. the latest from the associated press as we talked about shows his job approval at 36%, 62% saying they disapprove of the way he's handling himself in office. on the economy as david urban said before the break, has traditionally building a strength. he's now under water 46 to 51%. terrible numbers, not the kind

you're looking to before going into a presidential campaign. medical doctor howard dean, usa columnist cnn political analyst kiersten powers, but she is not a medical doctor yet. but maybe. governor dean, so based on these numbers, especially the economic ones, i'm wron derrion what kind of strategy do you think the democratic presidents for candidate might be using right now. are they talking about the economy enough? is that something they see as a strength, do you think? >> i think the economy is relatively strong. our debt has been extraordinary as it always appears to get under republican presidents. but generally i think average people -- the people in the middle and below do not feel like they've benefited from the tax cut and all that. i think, look, this election is going to turn on whether you think you'd like to have donald trump in your house when your children are awake. basically, as i said before on this program, our strategy has to not be talking about donald

trump. donald trump will remind everybody every day that they don't really like him, most of us. we have to say what we're going to do that's positive, and if we don't do that we're not going to win. >> it's an interesting idea that sort of the trump leg of this will -- urie essentialyou're es saying it will take care of itself. those he outrages he'll continue to outrage. the democrats don't need to waste time on that. that's a given. >> we have to stand for something positive. i don't think we're going to get elected by saying i'm not trump. >> right. kirsten, the last one-term president was george h.w. bush. he struggled with his messaging about relatively mild recession that happened the year before he ran for reelection. do you think the candidates should be looking to that election for guidance? >> well, i think -- so, the big problem that he ran into was he was -- he was basically telling people, it's not as bad as you think that it is. and so that really alienated people because people know what's going on with the economy

because it affects them so personally. and so he didn't seem to -- he wasn't connecting with them on the fact -- in the way that you have bill clinton with it's the economy, stupid. he was speaking specifically to the economy and to people's concerns. all that said, i don't know how many lessons you can take from that era and apply them to this era because i think the trump era is so unique and that's why it's so hard to figure out how to run against him. even if you look at this, these numbers, in a traditional era, if you were below 50%, you would be in trouble as an incumbent. you'd be in serious trouble. if you were any candidate, frankly, going into an election and you were below 50%. but when he won, he had the data, you know, on election day, the gallop disapproval rating for him was 61%. so it's hard to know exactly how this is going to play out.

does this mean that he's in trouble or does it not? we don't really know. >> you know, governor, i was talking during the commercial break. she was saying one thing to look for is the president is basically now -- we know he's attacking the fed, the fed chairman who he himself, you know, liked before he didn't like him, and now feels i guess a sense of betrayal from him. but he's basically undercutting confidence in the fed. and if the economy gets worse, confidence in the fed is actually something that's very important to try to maintain. >> well, it's interesting. trump really doesn't understand the economy. what he does is watch the stock market and the stock market doesn't always reflect just the economy. so -- but one of the things that does affect the stock market greatly is confidence in the fed. so interestingly, trump never could admit he's made a mistake or anything. he was a problem. he always has to blame somebody else. he's now blaming somebody most people have never heard of,

which i don't think is a terribly effective strategy because you can't demon eyes and run against the fed. nobody knows what the fed is. what's going to happen is if he undercuts the fed enough, the stock market is going to lose confidence in trump, which they have to a certain degree already because of the chinese tariffs. so, you know, i think that's probably a losing game for him. look, a lot of what trump does is not calculated in the long term. he doesn't think long term at all. he reacts and he reacts sometimes three or four times in the same day in a different way. and that's why i don't think he's an effective president. but i also don't think he's going to be an effective candidate if we say what we're going to do is positive. i felt one of the things that kristen says i think is absolutely right is that people know they don't like trump, but they have to like us. it's not enough. i mean, one of the reasons trump won with a terrible rating was that hillary's numbers were awful, too. we've got to have somebody whose numbers are pretty good and who people like.

that is what's going to beat trump. >> kirsten, when you look at the democratic candidates, this stage, do any of them know exactly how to run against president trump? obviously a lot of republicans thought they knew how to run against him and none of them did. >> yeah, well, there are different schools of thought, right? if you're a bernie or elizabeth warren, you're basically saying, we need to get rid of trump, but we also need to radically change our economy. we need to change our health care system. we need to have a lot of big changes. if you're looking at more of a joe biden approach, he's sort of saying let's just go back to normal. let's go back to the way it was. and i don't think the decision has really been made in the democratic party -- >> i agree with that. >> -- which way is the best way to approach it. >> howard dean, governor dean, kirsten powers, thank you very much. still to come tonight, california governor gavin newsom talks about how he's undercut president trump's attempt to cut

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state of california is at odds with the trump administration again. the two sides battling over emissions standards that the trump administration recently set for auto makers, standard that would all but eliminate regulations enacted under the obama administration. late last month california pushed back against the effort by striking their own deal with at least four of the world's biggest auto makers including ford that would largely keep the obama regulations intact. "the new york times" reports according to three sources that the president was enraged by that move. he's been tweeting that rage as recently as last night saying in part, henry ford would be very disappointed if he saw his modern day descend archts wanting to build a much more expensive car that's far less safely and doesn't work as well because execs don't want to fight california regulators. car companies should know when this administration's alternative is know longer available, california will squeeze them to a point of business ruin. the only reason california is talking with them is the feds are giving them a far better alternative which is much bet effort for consumers. earlier i spoke with california

governor gavin newsom who has gotten under the president apartments skin on this on his fight with the environment as well as immigration. governor newsome, these tweets now from the president about ford and your state, it's essentially one out of dozens of attacks we've seen from the president just over the last couple days. i'm wondering just watching him insult people, divide religious groups, reverse course over and over again, what do you think is going on? do you think something different is going on? >> i'll leave that to more objective observers. but there's something that's serum going on as it relates to the work we're doing here in california. he's losing and we're winning. this is donald trump feeling the pressure, the reality is setting in, and he's feeling more and more that he needs to change course but he doesn't know how to move because he can't move off his base. and it's remarkable, particularly as it relates to the vehicle emissions question, that he is out there making a

case that he's helping the automobile manufacturers when they're saying he's doing just the opposite. >> it seems like -- certainly in ford's case and the other auto makers who you have made deals with, that they kind of see the future and they know where the future is going. the president is now using the argument and the epa and others are using the argument that what you're doing is actually going to end up killing more people because it will end up with more cars on the road in the future. and that it's going to have very little impact on the environment, which is obviously very hard to or make that argument. >> i mean, it's honestly rather pathetic arguments and they fly in the face of reality. there's no objective observers that can make that case. at the end of the day, you're right, he's arguing against innovation. he's arguing against competitiveness. he's arguing against the future. one thing we all know, if you don't invest in the future, you're not going to do very well there. as it relates to automobile

manufacturers, they understand where the rest of the world is going. where china is going. where india, japan are going. where the american consumer is going. and where mother nature is taking us, and that's into a lower carbon, green growth future. and california wants to lead the way in the absence of the president of the united states himself. >> what do you think the reason he is doing this is? is it personal? is it political in that he thinks a higher car price perhaps initially because cars that are electric usually are more expensive, although that will probably change over time, is it worries about the economy? what is it? >> well, is it the oil companies? i mean, at the end of the day you have to ask yourself not only that question, but who is the only one to really benefit? if the car companies themselves are saying we're not going to benefit, we have to compete globally, we have to compete for the american mind share, meaning

where consumers want us to go which is alternative fuels and less cost at the gas pump. the only objective way of answering that question is, yeah, it's personal because obama set this rule, and he wants to roll back everything the obama administration achieved as it relates to climate. and number two, it helps the oil companies. and significantly, by the way, so, by one estimate 320 billion gallons of oil will be consumed. that's the delta between the california rules and where he wants to go. there is no other beneficiary except the oil companies themselves. >> i also want to ask you about the trump administration's proposal to detain undocumented families together indefinitely which set a 20 day floor instead of a 20-day limit for holding children. your argument is push back against the policies. is there anything as a state you will do to try to combat the new rule if it goes into effect? >> we're going to join many other states probably as early

as next week, and i think we'll file our 58th lawsuit against the administration. and i don't say that proudly. the overwhelming majority of that is just protecting the values we hold dear in our state. this one has national significance. seven young children have died since trump was inaugurated as president of the united states. not one died over eight years under president obama's stewardship. the family separations happened under this administration. we saw the public charge assault last week which is family separation by other means, and now here we are detaining some children indefinitely. it's an assault on the flores decision. clearly i think it will be rejected by the courts. and the answer to your question is california will once again assert itself in the court of law. >> governor gavin newsom, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thanks. thanks for having me. >> more to come tonight after the massacre in ohio. the governor promised reforms

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president trump it seems has already backed away from assurances after the mass killings in el paso and dayton that he wanted to increase background checks what he had termed meaningful background

checks. he also said he didn't believe the slippery slope argument which is often used by the nra to argue against changes in gun laws, but now he says he is concerned about a slippery slope and pointed out so is his base. the president made similar statements about strengthening background checks after the parkland massacre and walked those back. details on what the white house might propose when they return from break, in ohio, governor mike jawan has been hearing from those who want government action. this is what happened when he spoke at a vigil hours after the dayton killings. [ crowd chanting ] >> do something. do something. >> do something is what some of the crowd were yelling. the governor has now proposed red flag laws he supported in the past, increased resources for mental health care,

increased penalties for crimes committed with guns and increased background checks for all firearm sales in ohio with some exception between family members. the governor joins me now. thank you so much for being with us, governor. >> thank you. >> how likely is it that the proposals you've put forward might actually pass the state legislature? because governor kasich had proposed some of these same things toward the end and they didn't go anywhere. >> anderson, i think we can get them all passed. it's not going to be easy, but when i propose them, the tape you played was on sunday night. a tragedy occurred, of course, sunday morning. on tuesday morning we put a package together. some of the things frankly we had been working on sometime. it was time to get them out. you know, if you take, for example, what you refer to as the red flag law, we like to call it a personal protection order. but what's different between what i have proposed and what governor kasich has proposed is

we spent about three months working with our second amendment friends to try to come up with something that would assure due process, that no one's gun would be yanked away from them except by going into court and proving that they were a danger to themselves or a danger to others. we think we've got a very good proposal. we think we're going to get good support from our second amendment friends on that. we think we can get it done. >> it's been pointed out before, you're obviously threading a needle here. you're walking a fine line between, you know, some sort of action on guns and the concerns of gun owners in your state. were you disappointed that the president seems to have already backed off of talk of what he termed meaningful background checks? >> let me be real frank, anderson. you know, i'm really focused on what we can do in ohio.

this morning the mayor and i were together. we put together a group of pastors, ministers in dayton, over 100 of them. we did that so i could explain to them what my proposals were and they're comprehensive. as you said, they involve a lot of different things. certainly help with people to identify people who have a mental health problem early, early on, as a key component of that. but we have very good support from that group. it is a very diverse group. every religion frankly in the dayton area. we're building a grassroots support. and i think that as we explain and people see the actual language and legislators can look at this and see that, look, there is a protection in there, you do have to go to court. the burden is upon the prosecutor to prove that this person is a danger to themselves or danger to others, and to prove the other elements that are in there. >> right. >> i think that people will say, look, that is due process. and i can accept that because -- our friends for the second amendment, everybody agrees we

have some people out there, anderson, who we have to separate from their guns. i mean, for their own protection and for the protection of others. i think everybody agrees with that. the question is how we do it. >> right. i understand you saying obviously you're the governor of ohio, you have a lot to focus on. you were a senator, though, and as a citizen of the country, is there something that can only be done at the national level that you would like to see done at the national level? because back when you were in the senate, i think in the 1990s, you supported the assault weapons ban waiting period at gun shows. i know back then you got an f-rating from the nra. they now -- they back you in your -- to become governor, they actually endorse you. you had an evolution on that. but at the national level is there something you would like to see done? >> well -- >> that would help you in the state? >> i don't know if anything would help us or not help us. i'm focused on what i can get done here. if you look, though, at issues such as number of rounds allowed or if you look at issues such as

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sanders each doing their version of the fox trot on the ridiculi ridiculist. >> thank you. i am chris cuomo and welcome to prime time. there's a wild story breaking on our watchful take look at the internet. put in patrick burn overstock.com. everyone is talking about it. don't do it now. keep watching. we're trying very much to get mr. burn ready to be in position at a studio to tell you this story. the ceo of overstock. he just resigned today. and he says the reason towed was he didn't want to get the company involved with certain government mat herters that he' been involved with. like what? he said he was involved with a russian spy named maria butina. she had a romantic affair but then government came in and asked him to be involved in that and all the other operations involved in the election