going into 2000, it was a cultural shft f cultural shift for television. >> you start to see the bar get raised and raised and raised. >> it's an abstract. >> not abstract enough. >> there's so many opportunities in television. so many platforms. >> i don't think dramatic series television has ever been stronger. >> i hate you all. >> go! >> in the end, what we regret most are the chances we never

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complicated issues, and the way it was presented was so unique. >> sentence, nine years. up for parole in six. >> what they were doing at hbo was exactly what the network wasn't doing. they were breaking barriers. >> you get to the sopranos, and all of a sudden the villain is the hero. >> here's some eggplant. >> i told you, i'm not hungry. >> the so plpranos was david's maen image. >> whatever happened to gary cooper? that was an american. he wasn't in touch with his feelings. he just did what he had to do. once they got gary cooper in his feelings, they wouldn't be able to shut him up. and there's dysfunction this and

dysfunction that. >> you have strong feelings about this. >> every decade, you get people like peter faulk as columbo or somebody you just can't imagine anybody else afterwards, and james gandolfini is that in tonisa plan owe. >> alexander graham bell was italian? >> you see? antonio maoucci invented the telephone and he got robbed. everybody knows that. >> who invented the mafia? >> it took the mystery out of being a mobster. ♪ i'm afraid of doing your dirty work ♪ ♪ oh, yeah >> and it was more mundane than we thought it would be, yet every bit as riveting as "the godfather". >> you are like a brother to me. >> the debate raged at hbo about

whether you could have a guy like this as your lead. and david chase was adamant, that you have, this is who he is, and he was right. >> can you assure me that tonisa plan owe isn't going to become a the nurturing man? >> yes. >> oh, good. >> oh, my god. >> it's all right, i'll be home in a couple hours, don't worry. >> i'm graduating tomorrow. >> carmelo was a wife and mother. i think first and foremost, as long as she kept going to church, she felt all right, i've taken care of my soul. she goes home to her husband who's got blood on him. there was no way to reconcile the two things. >> towards the end where their marriage is falling apart. >> i used to [ bleep ] your husband. >> you have made a fool of me for years with these whores!

>> her performance in that fight is stunningly good. >> because she's jealous! >> [ bleep ]. >> let go of me! >> it mattered to people what this couple was going through, and i remember feeling a strong sense of responsibility about that and giving the weight to the scene that it deserves. >> what? >> you know what i don't understand, tony? what does she have that i don't have? >> suddenly, here's this tv show that everyone's talking about, but you have to pay to watch it. you know, that's how good the sopranos was. people were paying just to see that show. >> the sopranos came along and completely reestablished what the bar was. i honestly couldn't quite believe that television was communicating something that you might only see notiin the darke

moments and inaccurate moments of cinema. >> you look at the year that "american beauty" won the oscar, which is also the year that the sopranos debuted. and almost immediately after that the two mediums diverged. >> i know what i must do, but i'm afraid to do it. >> movies became much more focussed on big tent pole things that can bring in as much of an audience as you possibly can, meanwhile, tv started going smaller and more interior and saying, all right, we want to tell stories for grown-ups that maybe don't get the biggest audience but get a passionate one. ♪ i'll be home for christmas >> i had an idea of doing a show about death. >> are you smoking? >> nope. >> yes, you are. i heard you. >> i'm not, no, i'm not. >> look, forget you'll give yourself cancer and die a slow

and horrible death, you should not be stinking up that new hearse. >> i meat wit with carolyn and said she'd like to do a though abo show about a family that wan a funeral home, and i thought, what a brilliant idea. >> i'm quitting right now. i'll see you later. ♪ i'll be home for christmas >> allen ball comes up with a show with a perfect structure. each episode starts with the death of a character, and then that character's death is dealt with in a local family funeral home mortuary. >> excuse me. >> this was one of my first, maybe it was my first binge

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>> all around the country, people were on the edge of their seats. >> the winner of the first survivor competition is -- >> survivor sort of legitimatized the genre. simon fuller came into my office. and his advice was one, long audition. ♪ like a virgin ♪she bangs ♪ thank you. >> what was that? that is what you think we're looking for? >> the network was saying we don't think we can put simon on the promos. >> no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. >> he'll scare little girls, and we think that's our audience.

>> i'm like, that's the whole show, so, you know, without him, it's not going to work. and it was a big fight internally, and we got him on, and that's what sparked the show. >> well, here they are. the judges have made their choices. now, america, it's all up to you. >> american idol reunited the family audience in front of the tv. ♪ r-e-s-p-e-c-t >> 9-year-olds to 90-year-olds root for someone on "american idol." the way the producers of these shows could manipulate drama, the way they could find stories was the core of making those shows so successful. >> this is the weakest romance i've ever seen. this romance is pathetic. was there a romance? >> i think we just decided we were meant to be very close friends. >> very close friends. >> i've had some very close friends, too. >> me too. >> it's cost me a lot of money, i'll tell you.

>> "the apprentice" has its lasting effects even today. donald trump becomes a star. >> you're fired. >> all of it kind of reality show fake. people who have worked on it said we kind of made the whole thing up, and yet it sells. and then there's just this explosion. ♪ >> you interested in tattoos? weight loss? plastic surgery? >> breast augmentation, tummy tuck. facial surgery. >> i don't look like me! >> hoarders, substance abuse. flipping your house? that's a big one. like there's literally a reality show for everyone now. >> and if you have to fill 40 hours of television with scripted shows, it would cost you an arm and a leg. you'd be out of business. those scripted shows will do no better and probably worse than the reality show did.

>> aimed at gay viewers and women. so you have "queer eye" for the straight guy. and project runway. >> it was not an instantaneous hit. we have this crisis where like is anyone going to want to watch people sew? bravo played like three or four episodes over the christmas holidays. and all of a sudden it just caught on like wildfire. >> make it work. >> people have come in to runway and top chef, and they know this can change their lives. >> one of you is about to win the title of top chef. >> rock 'n roll! >> then it was the osbournes. it was fun. the guy who bit the head off bats being domestic and his wife and teenaged kids. >> please don't get drunk or stoned tonight. >> we can put celebrities on tv

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i don't want to mess this up again. >> me neither, okay. we're done being stupid. >> okay. it's you and my, all right? this is it. ? th . >> this is it, unless we're on a break.. >> this is it, unless we're on a break. >> this is it, unless we're on a break.>> this is it, unless we'a break. don't make jokes now. >> by the time "frasier" and "friends" went offer t the air, there was a feeling among the networks that the multi-camera format, filmed in front of a studio audience was getting kind of tired and getting kind of stale. >> you guys play the most important part, the live studio

audience. >> now there is no form of television that makes as much money for the networks as multi-camera tv shows. >> oh! >> we write a four-camera show. we write it, direct it, perform it and rehearse it like a play, in front of a studio audience. when someone gets a laugh on that stage they actually hold as you do not in real life, as you do not in single camera. you are holding for that laugh. >> oh. >> it's an abstract. >> not abstract enough. >> you've done an amazing job. >> it looks like something, though, what does it look like? >> you can get close. you can even touch it. >> i'm fine! >> we started studying what phil

rosenthal was doing with "raymond", and he was embracing the very best of what the genre could do, which was interesting characters. he provided me with a very, very loud reminder that i didn't need to fix anything. didn't need to knock any boundaries or walls over, i just needed to embrace what was there. ♪ men, men, men, men >> i had been in so many shows that had failed spectacularly, that i had been known as the show killer. ♪ man, man, man >> and that's not a great thing to be known as in show business. >> on the sly, i had him come in and read for me. and he was brilliant. >> how much is a hooker? >> what? >> allen, what are you going to do with a hooker? >> well, i'd like to pay her to have sex with me. >> how much are you looking to spend? >> well, as you know, i am a bit of a bargain hunter. >> unfortunately, they don't

stock hookers at the 99 cents store. give me a number. >> okay, well, what could i get in the $200 range? >> crabs. and car jacked. >> i have an enormous sense of pride to have done a multi-camera sitcom that people really took to their hearts for 12 years. >> okay. let's start in first position. jake, do you know first position? >> is that like missionary position? >> i mean, that was the longest that a sitcom had been on broadcast television in the history of broadcast television at the time. i think "big bang" is going to beat it, but still, that's amazing. >> two people talking is the essence of a four-camera sitcom. lighting is not really an issue.

there's no music that's going to help the material. ? checkmate. >> there's no special effects. >> again? >> hopefully good words with good actors. >> it must be humbling to suck on so many different levels. >> big bang had this weird hurdle of not only are you fighting the natural fight of getting an audience, stay on the air, keep your job, yada, yada. >> make way for the fast eaest alive! >> oh, no, this is why i wanted a costume meeting. is th >> there was this weird energy meeting where you're in a genre that's passe. we didn't go away, and i believe very strongly that the multi-cam, the way they're shot in front of the studio audience, you hear the people laughing,

it's very primal, that desire to gather as a group and hear a story. >> hey, lauren, look! live from new york, it's saturday night! >> every generation has their favorite "saturday night live," and it's usually the one that was on when they were in high school. so the people in high school during the 2000s won the jackpot. >> you're beautiful. mm, mm. >> because over the course of that decade, you see some of the most extraordinary people come through that show. >> we should mention that although the waters above appear calm, below the surface, there is a frenzy of activity. >> one of the hallmarks of snl is you need somebody to play the president. and will's w was stellar. >> will ferrell's george bush

was sort of a loveable dummy. ? h >> how about a lifesaver here. >> okay. while you're at it, can i get those antlers, too? >> there you go, son. >> and more cowbell was a will ferrell high point. ♪ >> cowbell was fantastic. will gets to be will. >> the last time i checked, we don't have a whole lot of songs that feature the cowbell. >> i got to have more cowbell, baby. >> i'd be doing myself a disservice and every member of this band if i didn't perform the hell out of this. >> snl in the 2000s is also a good time for women. >> it's my birthday! >> because there's a strong group of women that play off each other very well. >> what, are you part indian? are you cherokee? look at those cheek bones. what are you, sioux? are you sioux?

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welcome to [ bleep ]ing deadwood! >> david millch said i have a great idea about ancient rome. >> cops in ancient rome at the time of nero. >> and we're like, okay, okay, okay. t t.o. >> deserters will be crucified. >> david basically took the underlying theme of his rome show and put it in deadwood. >> no law at all in deadwood.

is that true? >> at the time of nero, there was a lot of order and no law. and "deadwood" was a similar environment. >> maybe you don't value keeping your [ bleep ] cuts inside your belly enough. >> those are the days behind us. >> no, those are the days to my [ bleep ] left. >> ian mcshane's character steals the show, lock, stock, and barrel, away from anyone else. you want to go into that saloon and engage him in conversation. then you say to yourself, if i say something wrong, will i get my guts cut out with a bowie knife? he's a fascinating character in that he scares you and attracts you at the same time. that's kind of a rare thing. >> can we see your fangs? >> i always said daddy hated vampires. but we don't. >> i think that "true blood" was an enjoyable beach read with blood all over it.

>> you could say, it wasn't meant to be taken seriously, it wasn't taking itself seriously, except it was such a big allegory for what was going on with the gay community, with aids, with political backlash. it's like, there's monsters all over. but the scariest, most deadly characters in the whole show are the human beings. >> showtime looked at tony soprano and they said, you want an antihero? how about a mass murderer who is the hero of our show? >> "dexter" is about a blood spatter expert who is secretly a serial killer. >> soon he'll be packed into a few neatly wrapped hefties and

my own small corner of the world will be a neater, happier place. >> he was raised by a policeman to channel his sociopathic impulses to only kill other killers. so he is a bad guy but also a good guy. >> i kill reprehensible people. i mean, the idea of the show is that you're invited to identify with and maybe even root for a serial killer. >> that's right. >> he kills horrible people. if i were just killing people willy-nilly, i think all bets would be off. >> where's the fun in that? >> in the 2000s, the antihero really rose to prominence. >> my nephew has the same gun. don't point that there. >> nice work. >> and i think they were popular because they were surprising.

>> i told pete to have you killed. >> and usually these anti-heroes had something about them that was sympathetic. it was a time in our world where there was just so much confusion and mixed signals that i think people responded to characters who dealt with similar issues. >> all right, all right. sure, take my last one. this will help. >> is this cab free? >> are you [ bleep ]ing nuts? >> oh. >> i have heard "nurse jackie" referred to as an anti-hero. she was at the mercy of her addiction that always got her fullest attention, but beyond that, i think she really cared

that there wasn't money in the budget for extra blankets for someone who came in off the street, and she would go and steal it from another department. she really wanted to be a good nurse, and she wanted to be married. and she wanted these kids, and she wanted to be a good wife and mother. >> why do you always have to work? >> yeah. >> there was no way she could do all of it. >> mommy! >> edie falco for me can do no wrong. here she is as the female anti-hero that has her own show, and she's the one whose morals are questionable. >> my back, my back. >> she's having an affair. she's stealing drugs, and is she an unfit mother in all those things. so i love that women get to be the appointi-hero and not just either the villain or the good girl.

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my mind. i just watched three in a row. >> i think "lost" is the first huge scinematic tv show i saw. i remember gathering at a friend's house to watch. and it was long enough ago and the internet was young enough and social media was, what, friendster? >> jj abrams' aim bambition for the lost pilot was grandiose. he talked about it being like making a movie every week. what we meant by cinematic was open it up a bit more but like an action-set piece. he was very aggressive. if you want me to do this pilot, you're going to need to give me the resource to do it, and i want to shoot it as a movie, and then we have to keep that bar up. >> you start off thinking, all

right, this is just a survival drama. here's these people, their plane has crashed. how are they going to get by, how are they going to find food, et cetera. >> we hunt! >> on top of that, there's this whole mystery, where are we? why can't we get a rescue signal, why is there a polar bear? what is going on here? >> it averages 15.5 million viewers each week and spawned web locations where avid fans can obsess. >> the fan base is saying, when are you going to answer these mysteries. personally, i started feeling hamstrung story wise almost instantly, because we had to do 25 hours of "lost" in the first season. so we started communicating to abc. we're going to run out of flashback stories. >> call it, jack. >> you call it. >> and abc was adamant in saying, no, like the show is a

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>> endings are hard in general, and i think "the sopranos" were able to accomplish this thing that everybody's trying to accomplish, which is do something that nobody's ever seen before. ♪ >> tony is meeting the family at a restaurant, and we're listening to a journey song. and watching as one by one, the family members come in, and there's these sinister people lurking around. ♪ strangers ♪ waitin' >> we were wondering, was tony going to survive this? was tony going to be shot? what was going to happen? >> [ bleep ]. you're cutting to the meadow, parking the car. all these things that are completely normal but imbued with this dread. ♪ don't stop believin' ♪ hold on to that feelin'

>> nothing's happening. they're enjoying a family meal and listening to journey. and it's building and it's building. ♪ ♪ don't stop >> the long black in which everybody said, did i just lose my hbo signal? what's going on there, i thought was like the cord at the end of sergeant pepper, in which nine pianos just hit that long, long major. bong! and it goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. that black was sort of like, what the series needed in order to communicate the fact that it is now officially over. >> as for sopranos creator david chase, he got whacked in the headlines. he got whacked by "the new york post" cartoonist who showed fans getting whacked. and chase literally got whacked online. >> we were in new york talking to a couple of television

critics about how amazing it was, and they were like, oh, you know, there's a lot of controversy about t"the soprano" finale, and we're like, what? and they said some people just hate it. they're discussing whether tony is alive or dead. and we are like, those are all the things that make it brilliant. and right there we realize we're totally and completely [ bleep ]ed. >> if you've been fortunate enough to be successful, they've gone along for a long ride with you. and the viewer has a through line for every character and the show. that you could never possibly have. >> you know i love you, right? more than anything. >> of course, honey. >> so, it is a fool's errand to try and please anyone but yourself when you're writing a series finale.

>> finales have become increasingly more important. you know, if you don't do a really good finale to a really good series, the series can sort of lose its luster. but six feet under comes up with a perfect ending, and the show is actually enhanced a little bit. the end of six feet under has the daughter just driving away in the car and music starts to play. it's sia's "breathe me." and she looks up in the rear view mirror. so she's looking backwards. but then the show looks ahead. ♪ ouch ♪ i have lost myself ♪ lost myself >> that season ended, and

everybody died. and i thought it was brilliant. >> the work on tv is as good as any work that's on a big screen, and so that hierarchy of film and television, i think, has been changed dramatically. partially because of the great work that people did at hbo, and also because of the work they did at a lot of other places. >> oh, yeah, you can't sit there. >> why not? >> that's where sheldon sits. >> he can't sit somewhere else? >> oh, no, no, you see in the winter that seat is close enough to the radiator that he's warm but not so close that he sweats. in the summer, it's directly in a cross breeze. it faces the sell visitelevisio

angle so that it's wide enough to see everybody but not so wide that the picture is distorted. >> perhaps there's hope for you after all. the u.s. president in france at the g7 meeting, meeting with boris johnson and others, and different takes on the u.s. trade wars with johnson. cnn is live in france with the latest for you. and lightning strikes a tree at the pga tournament, injuring people getting shelter under that tree. and hong kong's dangerous deadlock. pro-democracy protesters spend another weekend in the streets and pro-police protesters doing the same. live from cnn headquarters in atlanta, we want to welcome our