don't get any ideas from this guy, don't think of pummelling meat, bernie, even if it would tenderize it. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> thanks so much for joining us tonight. a krr"ac 360" starts right now. it is a hurricane tonight, and it's expected to be a major hurricane when it hits the u.s. mainland. john berman here in for anderson and yes, president trump has indeed tweeted something insensitive and obnoxious about the americans in puerto rico now being side swswiped by hurrican dorian. seconds ago we got an update from the national hurricane center which means brand-new and troubling details about just how big the storm is, how big it will get and just where it's headed. cnn meteorologist allison chinchar is joining us.

i understand the headline is getting stronger. >> you can see that when you look at the satellite images and read the numbers. the most significant thing is it had a big drop in pressure from 997 down to 990. that's a big drop for a tropical system in a short period of time. winds are still sustained at 80 miles per hour gusting up to 100 miles per hour but the key is it's now moving entirely over open water. that is fuel for a storm like this, which is why we're seeing it intensify. also, now, we're beginning see that eye wall begin to take shape. that is also another indication that the storm is strengthening. here is the thing that you don't often necessarily see at night, it needs the sun. it needs the heat of the day to help intensify. there will be a lot of information that comes out of this once we wake up tomorrow morning and really see what the storm has done overnight tonight. there is a hurricane hunter flight in there now taking all these new measurements. again, they did pick up a measurement of 83 miles per

hour, more significantly, we talked about the storm intensifying. here is a look where the track is expected to take. it will be out over open water not necessarily hitting land but a good thing in terms of the storm because it allows it to intensify. there is nothing to weaken the storm in the short term. long term, the question where does it go from here? it's going to start to curve back towards the state of florida and in fact, just about owns the entire state of florida is in the cone of where a potential landfall point could be and perhaps making landfall as high as a category three storm. the question is why florida? because by all normal circumstances, these storms always want to veer north. always. under normal atmosphere conditions but that's not the case here. normally this storm would start to curve back tornados the carolinas and virginia but this high pressure system right here is what isfect tifzeffectively it and pushing west towards florida. the models now make a landfall somewhere over florida.

the american models tend to favor more of a north florida landfall, jacksonville down to the space coast. whereas the european models favor more of a landfall point south of orlando. this is really what we'll have to keep a close eye on over the next couple days but one other thing, john, they could have been having two landfalls because the storm may end up going back out over the gulf of mexico and curving back around making a second landfall sometime next week. >> and when will the first landfall be or could it be on florida? >> right, so right now the timeline looks to be sunday night into early monday morning. whether it goes further north, that would be delayed versus the south florida landfal earlier end of the timeline. >> and all of this has to do with this warm open water and now nothing in its way, correct? >> yes, even the bahamas for the most part is different than say puerto rico. they don't have the elevation that those other countries do. you need that elevation to break these storms apart but because

the bahamas is a relatively flat country, there really isn't much in the way for this to break apart the storm, and the temperatures, john, hovering in the mid 80s. perfect fuel for a storm like this. >> the gulf of mexico warm, also. two potential dangerous landfalls in the mainland. please keep us posted throughout the night. we'll speak with the chairman of the house homeland security committee about administration efforts to redirect disaster relief money as this hurricane is hitting toward enforcement efforts on the southern border. something else shows how far the president might be willing to go to get his border wall. the one mexico was supposed to pay for. now we are. but this is yet another twist:it's twist. it's potentially unlawful and maybe impeachment. if the president did what we're about to tell you about, which by the way, nobody is directly denying, some aids say he was only kidding like individual one

walks into a bar, that sort of thing apparently. so here is what the president did. two officials tell cnn he is so desperate to build a border wall by election day he told aids he would pardon them for any laws they break to get it done. "the washington post" broke the story and we'll hear from a correspondent that did the reporting. they said it's a joke we don't get said with a wink and a smile like this one calling democrats traitors for not applauding at his state of the union address last year. >> should we call that treason? why not? they certainly didn't seem to love our country very much. >> his press secretary said the president was clearly joking. her assistant called it tongue and cheek. others called it sarcasm, which the president invoked after remarks such as this one. >> russia, if you're listening,

i hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. >> the president in his written answers to robert mueller said quote, i made the statement quoted and questioned ingest and sarcastical sarcastically. the russians started hacking within hours unless the president was being sarcastic when he said he was only being sarcastic. there are many examples. what they share is none in any way actually resembles a joke in form or content. they also share is the teller's demonstrated dishonesty. which is press secretary seldom seen stephanie flat out denied telling "the washington post" quote, i don't think they are lies. i think the president communicates in a way some people especially the media aren't necessarily comfortable with. a lot of times they take him so literally. i know people will roll their eyes if i say he was just kidding or speaking

hypotheticals but sometimes he is. the question now, seriously, was she joking when she said the president doesn't lie? perspective from "the washington post" nick who shares a by line on this pardon story. so nick, based on your reporting, what did the president actually say about pardoning officials? >> so the president said to aids who were worried about both the pace of the contracting process, the procurement process, the environmental concerns as well as the imminent domain issues involved with taking large amounts of private land along the border when they express those worries, the presidnt said don't worry, i'll pardon you and this was, you know, and we were told this by people who were in those meetings with the president at the time. >> did they take it as a joke?

>> they did not take it as a joke. in fact, the president has said this repeatedly to his aids and to visitors at the white house who were working on this project and there have been moments when for example his former chief of staff general john f. kelly had to later reassure some of those aids that the president didn't really mean it and not to follow his instructions. >> just to be clear, what exactly is he pushing these aids to do before the election when it comes to the wall? >> so the president is under extraordinary pressure to deliver on his 2016 campaign promise to build a wall along the border. so far the army corps of engineer built 60 miles, all of it replacing fencing in areas where that fencing was older, but the president promised a border would and feels like he has to deliver, he has told his supporters that he's going to build 500 miles by next year's

presidential election. and homeland security officials and the army corps of engineers have said they are on track to build 450 miles and so the president wants them to hurry up. he wants to be able to point to this as an establishment and he's hungry to take it as -- to be able to claim it as an achievement. >> as you've reported, his staff wants pictures of it to prove that it's going on. you're reporting about copper theft -- comments the president made how effective of a deterrent a wall would be. >> the president acknowledged in meetings with lawmakers he realizes a wall along the border, or a large fence, which is what it really is will not make as large a difference in detouring a lillegal immigratios other measures including the legal and administrative authorities that he's been seeking to be able to deport

more people faster, that type of thing. >> again, yes, the wall doesn't do anything about the asylum issue and that's really the big problem right now. people are presenting themselves. a wall doesn't stop them from surrendering at the border which is what is happening. the president tweeted this afternoon quote the wall is going up very fast despite total obstruction by democrats and congress and elsewhere. if you're talking about new miles of wall where wall has not been, that's factually untrue, correct? >> that's right. so far administration hasn't completed a single mile of fencing or barrier in a place where none existed before. they have completed 60 miles of replacement barriers and their plan is to install about 110 miles of barriers in places where there is currently no fencing whatsoever. i also want to point out that the president has been changing

his mind about design requirements he's passing along to the army corps of engineers and in may he directed them to paint the wall black. the wall is to be painted black and he also wants it to be spiked on top with sharp points, which he thinks will be more of a deterrent to people who might consider trying to climb it. >> he has reasons for that. his own theories but the fact of the matter is by making those changes or additions, it adds extra cost to reduce the total number of mileage. >> that's correct. the cost of painting for example 175 miles of barriers is going to be as much as $133 million according to the government's own calculations and that is going to reduce the amount of fencing that they will ultimately be able to build. >> terrific reporting. thanks for being with us tonight. >> good to be with you. >> more perspective from two people familiar with the

president's thinking and the way he works. david served as dhs spokesman under president trump and former white house attorney james schultz is a cnn legal commentator. david, you worked for this administration and president. would it surprise you if the president did in fact offer to pardon people who broke the wall, broke the law i should say in order to get his wall built? >> no, it wouldn't surprise me. and again, i think the issue here is all the confusion after the fact. you know, the question is was the president joking about pardoning people? he joking about breaking the law? he joking about building 500 miles of fence before the next election? i mean, there are all these elements that have gone unaddressed. >> what does it matter if the people in the room didn't take it as a joke, took it literally and took it as an order? >> now that's a great point because again, for all of us,

words matter. for the president of the united states, it's even more important. so there should never be any doubt of any of the people who work for or support the president about exactly what his intent is. he should be clear and if there is doubt in their mind about whether he's joking, whether he's serious, that's going to cause confusion and people will get out of line and do things that they weren't supposed to be doing. >> i will note, if he was joking and there is no evidence in fact he was based on the reporting coming out of that, it would be hard for those people who took him literally to find that out after he broke the law. that would be a heck of a time finding out he was kidding, wouldn't it? >> absolutely. i would be hard pressed to go ahead and knowingly break the law with this idea that there might be a pardon for me, what kind of guarantee is there that will happen? if i break the law, i'm held accountable for breaking the law, not the president. >> jim, how do you see this? to be clear, this isn't the

first time that the president has reportedly suggested pardoning people who break the law to get things done that he wants to get done. >> look, i don't think there is any question that the president said that in the meeting but the context of it is just, we don't know how it was said and we don't know how it was taken. a lot of this is somewhat speculative but one thing he wasn't kidding about is the fact that he wants to see a border fence built and he wants to see it built in a fast and efficient manner. look, he has a right to be frustrated with bureaucracy getting in the way of construction of that fence. i've worked in government for a lot of years off and on. i've seen what bureaucracy does to construction projects. in pennsylvania when i was general counsel, to get bridges built, we had to do a rapid bridge replacement program to get through the permitting process in the construction and procurement process. that's not unheard of in government that you'll want to

get through the processes quicker to get something accomplished. nobody will argue the government tends to slow down as it relates to construction projects when compared to the private sector. >> bureaucracy is a pain in the neck, jim. no question about that but were you serving in the white house counsel's office as you did and someone came to you and said hey, jim, the president just told me to break the law, what should i do? wou what would you say? >> first off, nobody came to me and said that when i was in the white house. >> i'm saying now, there are people in the meeting -- >> you're giving me a hypothetical that never happened. no one in their right mind is going to walk out of there and think the white house counsel's office -- >> the report -- >> and the -- >> process to give a pardon -- >> cnn and "new york times" all say -- >> no one is taking that seriously -- >> there are three reputable news organizations all now reporting in this meeting the president said if you have to

break the law to get this done, i will pardon you. so frankly, everyone is saying it happened right now. the distinction is -- >> i haven't disputed that it happened. >> there you go. not even you are disputing it -- >> i think -- >> if there is someone is that took it, is there is someone in the meeting that took it to be an offer of the pardon if you broke the law so it's not a hypothetic hypothetical, it mhappened, wha would they say to the administration official? >> that's not right. don't take it literally. that's exactly -- >> don't do it. you would say don't do it? don't break the law. you would say don't break the law no matter what the president says. >> of course you would say that. of course you would say that do not break the law and that person that's coming to you, if they are coming to you and asking was he serious about that? the answer is likely to be no. he wasn't serious about that. but what he is serious about is breaking through the red tape in order to get this wall built. >> i'll note likely isn't

definitely in this case but there is another issue here that's serious, as well. david, i want to put this question to you, red portiporti president is conceding while he cares about the law, there is no question he cares about the wall. the wall in and of itself won't stop the biggest part of the illegal immigration problem now, which is the asylum process and asylum seekers. that's a pretty glaring admission, given that he ran on the wall, the wall seems to be where his primary focus is, correct? >> that's correct. and another talking point that there has been on the wall is that its effect on stopping drug trafficking into the united states, which is also not accurate. most drugs enter the united states through ports of entry, not only across the southern border but in the airports and ports, a wall will do nothing to stop that. the humanitarian crisis at the border, not just asylum seekers is women and children. again, they are not detoured by a wall. in fact, as you noted earlier,

we've seen photos of migrants coming to the border and walking up to the fence that exists there and now and waiting patiently for border patrol to open the gate and let them in so they can request asylum. >> jim, to be sure, this isn't to say that the border officials i speak with and i know you speak with don't want the wall because most i have spoken to say a wall would be helpful. >> more officials want it. >> however, however, at the exact same time they will tell you that they wish that is not where the focus was at this time because it would not help or affect the asylum crisis they see going on. >> why doesn't congress get off the coach and do something about it? that's what i have to say. the democrats and congress can get off the coach and do something about this now. they choose not to. they choose not to work with the president on a global approach to how to deal with the immigration crisis at the border. just today they were upset that the president was diverting

funds to add additional beds and additional funds as it relates to the courts and the detention centers along the border and at a time they are saying there are problems, aoc said they were like concentration camps along the border. there is all of this that the sky is falling along the border, yet when it comes to doing something, they sit on the couch. >> you gave me a segway to the next segment. diverting fema money as the hurricane hits to address the border, thank you-all so much for being with us tonight. on the issue of priorities, what about sending fema money to the border and what the chairman of the security committee has to say about that and later, the president's former defense secretary opens verbal fire on the commander in chief, what retire said about his old boss and leadership.

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we're worth it. as we mentioned, president trump did not wait for the intensifying hurricane dorian to pass to take another shot at puerto rico. he tweeted and i'm rico is one corrupt places on earth, their politicians are corrupt. it sent to crooked polls not good. last night you heard the mayor of san juan praise the effort federal authorities making but for the president himself, she advised him to get out of the way unquote and let them do their jobs. that's it as we reported last night. the at minute station siphoning money out of the $155 million to be used for border enforcement measures. joining us is benny thompson, democrat of mississippi and chairman of the house homeland security committee. mr. chairman, thanks for being

with us. first of all, what does it say to you that the president couldn't resist slamming puerto rico just as they were bracing for a potential hit from hurricane dorian? >> you know, that's who donald trump is. he's a bully. he talks about american citizens and it's all about him. in the time puerto rico is being faced with another disaster, he talks about the people there who are american citizens and in the midst of this he's diverting money that should go to the disaster relief effort to a crisis he created along the border. so for the people in puerto rico, the virgin islands and not too long, florida, we'll get it right. maybe donald trump will come to his senses and understand as

president of the united states, he's obligated to help americans in time of need. >> you say that aversion of these funds could have deadly consequences. how? >> well, there is no question. we in the midst of hurricane season. we have a number of disasters on going. who knows. but mr. president, you created the disaster along the border and now you're diverting much-needed fema funds to this effort more importantly, is we don't even have anybody in charge at fema. we have an acting director that just so many other things the president could be involved in other than making light of the people in puerto rico and obviously, this manufactured crisis along the border. this remain in mexico policy is a trump initiated policy that they are now admitting is not

working. so for whatever reason, he just throws taxpayers' moneys around like its growing on trees and so democrats are prepared to work with this administration if they want to, but you know, you have to sit and talk to people as if they are adults. nobody is a child so if this administration is willing to talk to democrats, democrats are prepared to sit and work outcome monosolut -- common solutions. >> you criticized the solution. the mayor called it reckless but is that the case? don't funds get transferred all the time under agencies in the same department? >> well, they do. but usually the transfer in this instance should be for extenuating circumstances. there is no real extenuating circumstance along the border

because we just gave the largest appropriated amount in the history of department for immigration and other purposes. so what the president is trying to do is to satisfy his base that he's doing everything he can to beat the people on the southern border. asylum seekers are still people who are in this seeking -- >> but if this money went for beds for these asylum seekers as you note who are human beings, and i think you would note that the numbers of people on the boarder is at a crisis level, the asylum seekers in this case would it be okay to divert the funds to help them? >> well, you know, it's a manufactured crisis. the number is coming down overall and this is kind of pit and highs and lows that we

experienced. again, we through the trump administration man paufactured s crisis. what we're prepared to do in a calm orderly fashion, work on a solution but this knee jerk effort that he continues to do to satisfy his base is not working. >> were you critical -- >> i just want to know -- >> knee jerk response. >> i want to know the obama administration did shift funding in 2014 from disaster relief to cover the ice budget in 2014. were you supportive of that shift of funds in 2014? >> well, but he shifted consistent with what the law say. as you know, this administration is a month late on the shift. so i understand that there are things that happen, but if the guidelines say you have to do it within a certain period of time. you can't come a month later and do it and say oh, well, we just have to do it.

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was time to resign. you may recall what general mattis resigned from the trump administration back in december after clashing with the president over the withdrawal of u.s. troops in syria and afghanistan. joining us now retired admiral john kirby and military and diplomatic analyst that served as press secretary in the obama administration. thanks for being with us. i wonder how you read these words from jim mattis because when i saw them, particularly these two quotes we just read they were not so veiled comments on the president. >> you can take away to some degree, johnny is talking about president trump, they are very much i think in accord with the words he used or at least the tone he took in the resignation letter that he submitted back in january, which i think was actually more direct than this op ed. you have to keep it in a larger scope, this is an excerpt from

the book he's been working on since he became secretary of defense from leadership. the ideas can be applied to donald trump and probably do in his mind also apply to larger principles that jim mattis has developed in a lifetime of service to the nation in uniform. >> it always did seem a little odd coupling, general james mattis and president trump and mattis basically acknowledges that in the piece saying that not only was he surprised to have been chosen for the post but he also went so far to recommend other people to the president for the job. >> right. he's not an ambitious man. i never worked directly for him or under him but had exposure in my time at the pentagon. he's humble and thoughtful. he's not a climber or a guy looking for the next star, the next big job so i wasn't surprised he was so surprised to be asked willing to demer and offer other people up for it. it's just his leadership style. >> you do disagree with another point he makes. he says when the commander in

chief calls you ask asks you to serve, you have to serve. you don't take quite that view? >> i don't. look, when you're in uniform and the commander in chief asks you to do something unless it's unlawful, of course, you have to treat that like an order and you march and do it. when you take the uniform off as i did in 2015 and the president then asked you to do something, it's your choice. you make the decision to do it and to say that it's not your choice that you just have to go along, i think diminishing the role you're about to take on and it also i think can send a message to the people you're going to be working with that you don't want to be there. you want them to know it's your choice. i left the navy in 2015 and then secretary kerry of president obama asked me to come onto the state department as the assistant secretary of state. i made that choice. i'm proud i did and i worked in the administration and i own it. secretary mattis owned his departure with that very powerful letter but i'm worried he's not willing to own his decision, his choice to join administration. i worry that some people could

construe that as him trying to escape the scrutiny of being a member of the administration. >> to that point, if he does have specific criticisms of this president and administration, do you think he owes it to the american people to write them perhaps more directly? >> no, i don't. and look, the idea of writing a m memoir when you leave office is your choice. hagel did not write a memoir when he left office. his predecessor and successor did. this is a personal chose. i don't think it's required and he doesn't have to be out there on every issue. if it's something that matters to him and he feels passionate about, as a private citizen he has the right and opportunity to do that but we shouldn't consider it as an obligation of his. >> great to have you on, as always. >> you bet, thank you. coming up, a trip to a pennsylvania farm where there are plenty of soybeans and discontent over the trump

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trump. today with the china trade war, especially impacting farm life and farm business, that landscape is changed. here is gary's report. >> rick runs a 750 acre family farm in western pennsylvania with his father and uncle. they have dairy cattle and grow crops but nothing is more financially important than the nearly 300 acres of soybeans. >> what percentage is exported? >> 100%. >> he believes almost all of it has went to china. with the tariff war, china is no longer buying them. income has plunged 20% because of that. >> when you're offering margins of less than a single digit margin, 20% is devastating. i don't know of any business out there, any businessman out there would keep his doors open where he would have to take his own equity out of his own -- >> that's what you're doing? >> yes, the farm is using the

equity it's built over the years just to survive. >> rick's father frank has been farming here for 70 years and his uncle tom is a 60-year farming veteran, all three of them voted for barack obama twice for president, but three novembers ago, they were among the many pennsylvanians who helped decide a presidential election. >> frank, who did you vote for for president in 2016? >> mr. trump. >> trump. >> mr. trump. >> if the election were today, frank, would you vote for donald trump? >> no way. couldn't happen. >> no. >> no. >> an increasing number of farmers nationwide are frustrated with the trade war with china and how the tariff decisions affected their lives. the family believes the financial crisis they are dealing with could easily have been avoided. >> yes, i'm angry at him, sure. do i hate him? no, i don't hate the guy but i'm upset with what he does and did. >> the nation's farmers strongly supported donald trump for president in 2016. as of yet, there is no indication of a massive former

exist exit from trump and with more than 14 months to go until election day, there is plenty of time for farmers to get even angrier. and a lot of time for farmers to worry if china's population of nearly 1.4 billion people will ever be the customer it once was. >> we'll never get that full market back again, no. >> why do you think that? >> they just gotten too many new suppliers that will cater to them. >> other countries? >> exactly. >> gary tuchman joins us now. great piece, gary. the trump administration is giving billions of dollars to aid to the farmers affected by the trade war with china. are the farmers you're talking to, are they grateful for that money? >> many farmers, john, are very grateful for the taxpayer funneled afunneded aid. it's a lifeline for many farmers. every farmer i've talked to for the story whether they like donald trump, don't like donald trump, don't care about politics

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down to just 20 democratic contenders for the white house. new york senator kirsten gillibrand dropped out of the race a couple of hours ago. gillibrand was unable to meet the donor and polling requirements. and a new poll shows joe biden at the top of the pack like almost every poll at 32%

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among the many things president trump found time to tweet about today was his growing unhappiness with fox news. fox news. after criticizing the network for airing afternoon interview with a conversation he said was heavily promoted, he lashed out against shepherd smith. and then he posted this. i don't want to win for myself. i only want to win for the people, the president said. the new fox news is letting millions of great people down. we have to start looking for a new news outlet. fox isn't working for us anymore. perspective now from brian stelter, host of reliable

sources. fox isn't working for us. what does that tell you about the way the president thinks about fox news. >> he thinks about state-run tv, the way fox's critics do. they become the definition of the network. the news side has been squeezed out. he wants even less news and even more pro-trump propaganda on the network. and i think it shows an insecurity on the part of the president. he lashes out when he sees democrats on fox, he sees bernie sanders or a democratic spokeswoman. >> how is that phrase working for us being received within fox news? >> there's been some shrugs. the president has done this more than a dozen times this year and he's becoming more blunt in his anger about fox and his feeling that fox belongs to him. what is notable is that normally when the president attacks a

news outlet, fox never defends itself. they never respond. the company never comes out defending its journalists and that was the same today. i think fox feels it can't speak out against the president because many of its viewers love the president and stand by him. fox has been a sword and a shield, a sword against his critics and a shield to defend him. but it seems he wants an even stronger sword and shield. >> also brent hume went out of his way. >> he said we're not supposed to work for you. it shows the president doesn't understand the basis of journalism. that's the feature of the trump presidency. it's the attempt to destroy this shared truth that most of us believe in, that there are some basic facts and common ground. it seems this week by attacking axios and fox, and cnn, he's trying to further erode the idea of a shared truth. >> i know it's hard to graft

this kind of thing, but if he's lashing out at fox, and axios which is an organization that the white house has had a good working relationship with. >> that's true. >> what does that tell you about his thinking these days or the way he feels that things are going this week? >> he's thinking about re-election, he's thinking that he may be very vulnerable, that's what the polls indicate, and i think he's hearing that in the news coverage as well. what we know as this presidency goes on, he tweets more, but the tweets have less impact. the tweets are helpful because we get a sense of what he's thinking, but he's tweeting more and more and more trying to get attention. it's working less and less for him. >> he's watching this show tonight. >> yes, he was tuning in watching you earlier talking about the border wall, trying to deny the reporting from "the washington post" and cnn that he wanted to offer pardons if people break the walaw to get t border wall built. >> if you're an official and the

president is denying something he said to your face, how do you square that? >> great question. thanks so much for being with us. i really appreciate it. the news continues so i'm going to hand it over to chris cuomo "prime time" starts right now. i hope you can hear me. >> you can and you sound wonderful. the worst appears to be over for our neighbors on that island, still beaten down of course from hurricane maria. there's loads of danger for our mainland, the florida coast, a little bit farther north. dorian is spiraling. and the president said some things that were outrageous today. that's not unusual. it is what he did and promised to do that he must