great to have you on tonight. i appreciate it. a lot more going on with hurricane dorian bearing down. the news continues. i'll hand it over to chris for cuomo prime time. >> thank you. welcome to prime time. hurricane dorian is gaining strength, heading for florida. and we have someone here who braved the dangerous elements to make his way with his crew to the very center of the storm. the hurricane hunter is in the sky right now. we'll bring you the latest on what the concerns are and why of we have andrew yang here. he made the cut for the next debate stage. is he cut out to take on the ultimate fight against donald trump? his big pitch is a stipend for all. let's put it to the test tonight. he's been going at it with bernie sanders. we'll have a great debate.

>> good news, dorian, a category 1 storm. bad news, the longer it is over that warm warmer, the stronger it becomes. by sunday it could be a cat 4 hurricane and that will be around the bahamas. then what? then it hits the east coast of florida where, how strong, what happens when it hits. throws the open questions the hurricane center is saying if you're thinking about making preparations, do it now. think about how you'll get out. there is a state of emergency in effect already in all 67 counties. florida could feel tropical storm force winds as early as saturday evening. remember, ones that kind of stuff starts, especially at night, very tough to move.

tom stater is tracking dorian's every move. we'll go to him live in our weather center. first, let's get into the eye of the hurricane joining us now, jack parrish joining us from inside the hurricane. how are you guys up there in the storm? is the crew okay? are you okay? >> yeah. thanks for asking. we are doing just fine. we're flying 8,000 pete. >> just for the audience, jack is a meteorologist. he's not flying a plane. they work as a team up here. he'll try to get the information on the storm so he can help people back on land who are trying to figure it out and

people flying the plane as well. this is one of the most fascinating aspects of our weather coverage. a few brave men and women who go up there into the storm. how does dorian size up with other storms that you've seen? >> reporter: i've been flying 40 years. this is a real robust cat 1. showing every sign of getting a little stronger. we saw about 81 knots of wind on the left side of the eye. we saw about 72 on the east side. so it is a growing storm. no question about it. >> any chance that we get lucky? this is only kind of story where journalists like to be wrong. that this storm somehow misses our east coast, or dissipates. chances of that at this point? >> reporter: i have to tell you, what do i is observe the

weather. we do multiple trips through the center to give them updates on what it is doing over the course of the next three or four hours. and then they put them into those computer models and noaa takes them and gives results. this is still plenty of time to track the intensity. i don't want it to hit florida either. >> all right. we'll see what happens. the idea of this storm as compared to any other. is there anything unusual about it? or anything that gives you any concern or optimism about it? >> reporter: well, chris, we started to fly this last monday when it was down off the southeast tip of barbados. and it was very disorganized. very disorganized for the next few days. and then it suddenly sprang into organization. just as it moves off the northeast corner of puerto rico.

so you know, seeing the state of disorganization, you would have found it hard to believe that it could organize so rapidly. we always suspect that it could get stronger suddenly. >> anything that gets organized quickly starts to build quickly. obviously more concern. one of the questions we get every season, it always bears repeating as an anxious from you guys. how can you fly through the middle of the hurricane and be okay? >> reporter: well, the way we see it, a commercial jet is flying at 550 miles per hour. so as far as that goes, that's how strong the wind is blowing. part of the wind is horizontal in a hurricane so all you have to do is craft into the wind. and we can fly perspendicular into the center. we make a few course corrections and then go out the opposite

side. it is only the turbulence that we find in the eye wall that is scary for us. and they've been doing it longer than i was. we have the best experts in the business. >> what is it like in the eye of the hurricane? is it like a magical experience? something that you get used to? on land, that is always the one moment of call as it passes over. what is it like in the sky? >> reporter: well, chris, we get three or four or five or six of those times when we're in the turbulence. zero g. occasionally flying about the cabin. not that often but styles it happens. then you burst into the center and it is just as calm as standing in the studio. i assure you. that's how flat it is. a magnificent sight. it makes you sick to think that it is heading into the direction of populated areas. >> right.

>> reporter: and asking people to always pay attention to their emergency management. >> 100%. we all hope we're wrong. we all hope the estimates, all the guesswork is exaggerated. you have to prepare for the worst. and just to remind people, the kind of men and women who do this work for the rest us, you heard jack casually go past the fact styles it reaches 0 g in the airplane. that means no gravity. and things start floating around. can you imagine? being on an airplane and all of a sudden there is no more gravity. let alone talking about it that casually. thank you for the dedication. thank to crew for us. please let us know if there is any information that we need to pass along. a whole bunch of us will be going down to cover the storm to make sure everybody in its way gets the care that they deserve and the information that they need. be well, brother, and thank you. >> reporter: thank you, chris.

>> important in these moments of crisis that if people will go through it, they know they're not alone. of course we're going to cover it. it doesn't matter how uncertain the situation is. it is better to be there and prepare for the worst and then god willing, we pray for the best. here's the avenue of concern. triple threat. you have the storm surge. you have the winds. and you have the rain. these are not unusual components. it's about how much of each, where and how long. we'll check in on its track. the expectations. the variables. one of the best. tom stater is next. (wheels screeching) (clapping) (sound of can hitting bag and bowl) (clapping) always there in crunch time. ♪

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tom, mr. parrish who was up there in the storm hunter, said something that seemed very concerning to me. i want your context on it. the storm did less to puerto rico than expected. thank god. however, when it moved off the edge of puerto rico, he said dorian, that had been very disorganized, and therefore giving some confidence that it might somewhat dissipate, organized very quickly. what does that mean to you? >> a great question. we do thank him for his service. coast guard, radar man. unbelievable. this system now has been fighting dry air since its birth.

even on the infrared imagery, we think dry air has been trying to infiltrate the system. let's go back. if you ask most meteorologists and forecasters four or five days ago if it had a chance, we would say no way. surrounded by chaotic atmosphere. dry air. it eats these systems up. this is the little storm that could. as it made its way toward puerto rico, yes, they got lucky. they had more rain today on the trailing arm of this down to the south than they did when it passed through. still a little dry air. let's show you what those flights found a little while ago. they're still inside. first, we had a noaa aircraft. three pilots, all female crew, moving out. they did the upper air data. now two more flying through. different levels. they found a surface wind at 93. then one at 101. they take the average, which is like 99.6. so i suspect coming up in the 11:00 p.m. hour, this will be a

category 2. they average it. that's most likely the factor here. this is just the beginning. in the center of the core now, we're starting to see some real convection on the infrare satellite imagery. that's important because that means dramatic strengthening. we know that they've also seen a real drop in the pressure. so this thing is building. now, tropical storm force winds expected as we get into late saturday night in toward sunday morning. that's just the beginning of the story. there's a lot more going on. and we learned a lot in the last 24 hours. >> like what? you know how i play these things. i'll always hoping we're wrong. that there is one aberration or an anomaly or once it hits land it dies in a way that it cannot recover. any chance here? >> yes. but the windows, they close. yesterday we thought we had a category 3 making landfall and it changed to a category 4. that's understandable. it had such a long period of

time over the waters. at a cat 3, you get upper 80s, near 90s, and it just blows up. let's look at some of the models now. in re, the u.s. model. we do it with every storm. european is in yellow and it has good history. they've had their pros and cons. they've fluctuated a lot in the last 24 hours. we'll put a little blue dot here for the european model. you cannot see the u.s. because it's underneath. good agreement. that's what we want to see. an agreement. then this is monday morning. still well offshore. what happened to that sunday night possible landfall? here's the european over nassau and the bahamas. now we move it forward. we're at tuesday overnight. and it is only the u.s. model. we call these guided models for a reason. they just guide us. doesn't mean it will happen. let's take this to where we think both models will make landfall and it is quite interesting to find some

connection. here it is. the u.s. model? west palm? jupiter? hollywood, ft. lauderdale, now look at the european. almost exact. but this will blow your mind. i haven't seen anything like this. yes, they're in agreement at landfall. but remember, they're off on timing. this is monday at 8:00 p.m. for the u.s. model. this is wednesday morning. wednesday morning. almost 48 hours later here that we're talking about two different time periods which really creates a problem when you're trying on evacuate people. who goes? now the steering current is another thing. the other thing we found out overnight besides both models dropping from northern florida to the south, that that european model wants to put on the brakes right before it makes landfall. that does a couple of things. when they saw it, you've got more bands of rain. more possible flooding.

beach erosion. it also gives the environment surrounding the storm time to make up its mind what steering currents will be dominant. and right now, if we have a landfall near those time periods, even within the time frame, we may have a system where different elements of the atmosphere are pulling or pushing and it may sit. >> sitting is hard. especially on land that is already saturated and doesn't have a very good water table in terms of taking more. look. you're the only good news right now for an optimist. you've got time between now and then. and they'll get more information. we'll know more about the storm. more with the currents involved and hopefully we get a better picture so people can retact right way. >> this has changed so many times in the last couple days. it will change more. don't trust anything you see right now. you have to hope that sometime we'll get a better handle on it. >> and it is the worst time. labor day weekend.

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great? that's the story of the great debate with jennifer granholm and rick santorum. what is your problem with this? the administration says, if you're getting into come plints with the state department laws. >> first of all, it was announced last night and then they walked it back. it is not even clear to me right now who it applies to. what it applies to. the point being what they did was they announced that children who were born not on u.s. soil, who were children of people serving overseas, in civilian roles or the military, were not going to be allow to be u.s. citizens. and then they added all sorts of caveats to that. can i say, you put this in a broader frame. and i think it is part of this spray, this web of poisonous anti-immigrant policy that's this administration has taken on starting with, the muslim ban

was the first thing. of course, the separation of families, the kids in cages, kids not having access to water, showers, soap, toothbrushes. today, when this additional information along with the information yesterday about kids with serious diseases and difficult medical problems not, being told that they must go back to countries that don't allow for the, that don't have the same kind of medical treatment. what this does is it creates this web of policies that tell world that we have no humanity nimt. where is the humanity? these categories of people used to have exceptions. that allowed for in the case of migrant children, a judge to have discretion about whether they should be allowed in or not, or kept here because of their medical conditions. what a horrible message this sends to the world about the u.s. retrenching on our humanity. >> it all depends on what you

think the message is. >> it's not true. it is not what the administration is doing with sick children. what the administration did was simply put in place what the law is. which is, you should not have blanket deferrals of classes of people which barack obama and others said he couldn't do and then did. they gave them visas to stay here. what they're saying is we are returning to what the law is. which is that you are not guaranteed to stay here. but as the law does say, if you have a humanitarian reason to stay, like a medical condition, then you go through normal process. by the way, that only happens if i.c.e. actually comes and tries to deport you. none of the people that i saw in the mideast have an i.c.e.

deportation order. >> they have a letter saying they have to leave the country. thousands of people received this. >> they're no longer going to be deferred. what the law is, prosecutorial discretion as to who should be deported or not. barack obama changed that what the law is, you cannot give blanket deferrals. you leave it up to i.c.e. and i.c.e. makes the determination whether they'll be sub to deportation or not. if they are, then that process is put in place. >> which would be the case. >> it's not about the rule. it has never been that the rule. the rule of law -- >> that's the law. this is about how you enforce the law. it is not about the history of

the law. it is how you choose to enforce it. each of policies that has been outlined, are about increasing harshness. making it harder to stay. excluding people more quickly. >> they said we're going to give blanket deferrals. this is what barack obama enforced prior to daca. the idea that this is cruel and mean. there is a provision in the law. >> that's exactly why the president, and you can, a to you constitutionality of what barack obama did all day. i see both sides of it easily. the policy judgment was it is not fair the other way. they should stay. your argument is, this administration has reversed the mercy of it. that they see it in terms of getting people out. >> if congress wants to change the law, congress should change the law. >> hold on. >> if you want to make that argument.

if you want to make the argument, then you condemn this administration for trying to run around the floor. >> what the administration is doing is actually taking the agreement, the obama administration opposed, and trying to make it humanitarian by actually setting it for people to be able to be kept together. it is not any type of earned the mercy. >> the whole point of the settlement was on the basis of clinical data, impact on kids, you cannot keep them indefinitely the you can't do to them what do you to adults. keeping they will together won't make them not traumatized. that's your point. what is your point, jennifer? >> if you were going to do this in a humanitarian way, would you put enough judges in there to be able to adjudicate these cases more quickly. right now on the front page of the "new york times," there is a story of a young girl who came here from guatemala who had a

rare degenerative disease. she came at the invitation of doctors who wanted her to participate in a clinical trial so the fda would aprf medicine that would lengthen her life and the life of others like her. she was not on the public dole. her parents paid for her via private insurance. she got this letter. she's now 24 years old. she's been here 17 years old. she's getting treatment as a result of this disease that she has. she's gotten awards for having advocated on behalf of children with rare disabilities like her. she gets a letter saying you have 33 days. that's just wrong. inhumane. >> there is a process that she will go through to get an exemption. >> i.c.e. is saying they can't do this. this is another example of the trump administration do thatting a policy where they have not put in place to make sure the policy is done well. they don't have judges. i.c.e. doesn't want to do. this they're quoted in this

article saying we don't want to do anything with this. >> i.c.e. has the discretion to prosecute or not. there is a process to go through if you are prosecuted. that's what the law has been up until barack obama. >> it's never just about the rule. it is about how you enforce the rule. here's the reality. we will see what decisions are made. why they're made. and how they turn out. and then we'll see how the american people feel about it. this will all come to a head right in 150 something days when people start voting. jennifer, thank you. rick, thank you. whoever will take on this president in 2020, you've got to have a counter to this argument that they are having. how will you be better? what is the positive opposite to what this new harshness is to this administration? andrew yang said he knows. let's put him to the test. next. i like to make my life easy.

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half the democrats qualifying for the presidency, they're going to make it into the next debate. so you'll have 20. and here's the set of ten. here's how they'll look up in there. andrew yang. see that good looking guy? a couple to the right on the screen. he will likely continue. that's funny, right? he will likely continue to push his proposal to give every

american $1,000 a month in what he calls the dividend. and bernie sanders says guaranteed federal jobs are the way to do it. not just a hand out. we've got andrew yang here. as promised, on immigration, look. rick santorum, ken cuccinelli, they're not wrong. what they're saying is we've been too lax on the rules too long and somebody needs to restore order. what is your count? >> i think jennifer had it exactly right. we don't have the resources on the ground toim plenty the rules on the books. you have rules saying judges need to adjudicate these cases. then you're talking about a ten month, a 15-month period to see a judge. chaos, not enough case managers. >> their answer is, you're arguing justice delayed is justice denied. if you can't do it efficiently, they say don't doiflt they say that's krcrazy. what about me? what about the resources for me

and my family? you're finding an excuse to be soft. >> the rules are the rules on the books. hard or soft west need to implement them as written. to me -- we're scape on getting immigrants for economic problems. if you go to a factory, it is not wall to wall immigrants you'll find in michigan or ohio or pennsylvania. robots, automation, to me the immigration discussion is unfortunately scapegoating people for something they had nothing to do with. >> but unless you want to live out the matrix, people attach animus to other people. if they want to talk about who they're afraid of and what they feel displaced by, they'll look to people. that's why the focus of his demagoguery is this group that i call the brown mass. the way he's articulated them. the problem for you, let's say you win. now you're stack with a guy who says, one of the oldest oppositional statements of politics. i'm about being tough on crime.

you are soft. and tough usually wins. you say, well, you cannot enforce the laws on the books. i don't think that's enough. >> we have to solve the problems that got donald trump elected in the first place. when i go around the country and i talk to people in ohio or iowa or pennsylvania, they say, it is not immigrants. it's automation. thousands of americans, the light bulb goes off. i have yet to hear someone say i really think it's the immigrants. as soon as you say it out loud. when i go to the supermarket, what do i see in a self-serve kiosk. they see it around them and realize, oh, wait. there is something bigger going on here. >> do you think that works? if he's hammering on the fact that he'll be tough on this. he's building a wall. we know that a majority of the american people think a wall is part of a system of keeping us safe. it's good. a boundary system is good. are you going to say don't worry about that? >> we need to enforce our

borders. we need to have the resources in place to enforce the rules. but we have to think bigger about the forces driving americans to feel like they don't have a path forward. a lot of it is that we've automated away millions of jobs, we're now going to do the same thing to millions of call center jobs, truck driving jobs which will be a disaster for hundreds of thousands of americans. >> so i read into your plan about the dividend. and i discovered few things. one, that was a great thing to call it. your poernl your opponents will not call it a dividend. and why a dividend is for people to figure out what i did. it is something that you get on the basis of an investment. it is not a handout. it is that you're getting this for something you put in. and the reason you justify giving to it everybody, even somebody making a lot of money like me, thank god. then it produces the stigma of staying it. it makes it universal and i'll pay more into what funds that

dividend so i'll get less than i probably funded. so it's okay. it balances out. here's the stick that you get hit in the head with. you are the leftiest of lefties. you are a gift giving something for nothing guy. and i'm killing myself to take care of my family and you're going to give everybody $12,000 a year on my back? no thanks. >> americans are wising up to you have amazon that is closing 30% of our stores and paying zero in taxes. who are the big winners in the 20th century economy? companies excellent at not paying a lot of taxes. >> i agree. make they will pay a lot of taxes and use to it pay down debt. >> we get our fair share of every google search, every amazon purchase. what i'm asking people around the country. do you remember getting your date check in the mail?

never. people who say, something for nothing. this is america. you earn it. this is not a socialist country where you earn it. >> one state has had a dividend problem. that state is alaska. passed by a republican governor. he made the argument. who would you rather get oil money? the government or you the alaskan people? so what oil is to alaska, technology is to the entire country. >> so what do you say to bernie saying, it's not like he's known to not be a lefty. no, no. too much of a handout. you have to have federal jobs. that makes more essential. >> to me bernie misses a few really important truths. if you put money into our hands in a dividend, we'll spend it flight in our economy. it will be trickle up. it will create hundreds of thousands of jobs. restaurants, garages, tutoring services, daycare. where we live and work. >> why isn't the same with a federal job? you get income. you spend it. >> if we had the moneyering with would spend in it local

businesses and that economic growth creates hundreds of thousands of jobs. the federal jobs guarantee doesn't touch people like my wife who is at home with our two boys. one of whom is autistic. it does not interrogatory work going to in our communities every day. bernie somehow imagines that millions of americans want to work for the government which they do not. what if you don't like that job? what if you're not good at that job? who manages you? there are all these really tricky details and implement participation make our federal jobs guarantee much better in the abstract than real life. >> that third point will be the strongest counter point to him. his strongest will be the something for nothing. there is subtlety and nuance and that's hard to get across in politics. that's why we invited you on the show. andrew yang, congratulations being on the big stage. i'll be seeing you there. thank you. a lot of heavy news this

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him and then they let him lay on the cabin floor. what did other passengers do? they were gracious. now look at this. so they did the right thing by this kid. they didn't have to. the rules said it shouldn't happen but humanity came first. kansas. 8-year-old conner. on the left. also lives with ought i. he is in tears on his first day of school. christian, another 8-year-old, on the right. he takes his hand. nobody prompted him. he walks into the school. this is who we are at our best. am i right? >> absolutely. and you and i have been talking about this. i posted on social media and i said, we need more of this. because there's so much negative. so much toxicity in the world. on social media and all over. we need good stories like this story. and people, you know, you have

young kids. young children. children have to be taught to hateful children are very loving people. they love everybody. they love the dog. everything they love. what they don't like, they don't like. sometimes they're nervous about flying. sometimes they're a bit nervous about going to school. i posted it. that story, the one with the kid apprehensive going to school. that happened to me when i was a kid. i remember when i was in, i think it was first grade. it was first grade. and i didn't want to go to school for whatever reason. and my mom was dropping me off at the same time my friend tina, the same one who talked to me. her mom was dropping her off. i was crying and i didn't want to go to school. i didn't want to go to school. we had backpacks on bigger than us and tina put her hand over my shoulder. she said, come on, don. let's to go school. and we have been the best friends ever since. we've known each other since nursery school. my oldest friend.

you don't often get things like that. >> we forget it. it's what we decide to focus on. and there is something special and referenceial about kids. out of the mouths of babes often comes wisdom. they don't have the layers on them that clouds our own intelligence. i can't tell you how my kids and parenting has become more of a situation about what they teach me. just today, i got sideways with my oldest one. and it was a mistake. and it is what she teaches me about how to be my best. it is about what she reminds me of how she acts with a sense of earned the mercy, even when she's been wrong. that's what we see in these stories. we need to remember that's who we are, too. the bad stuff is true. so is the good stuff. >> you don't want to be sideways with her. that's your retirement. she has a voice on her. she is so talented. she plays the guitar. >> she can do it all.

she is a gift. a gift that i certainly did not deserve and i'll do my best to cherish it. >> all three of themful are you said out of mouths of babes. we have two young men. 9 and 10, i think, 9 how old are they, producers? 9 and 10. they showed up at a joe biden rally and they stumped him. it's gone viral. we also have sam donaldson on to talk about the news that's happening. >> sam donaldson, i worked with him -- >> i know. >> as a tandem crew. we had a segment called stump sam and nobody ever stumped him. >> also, we're going to get new forecasting on the hurricane. but i got to tell you, the thing -- we're going to go off the beaten path here because we often discuss this. there is a massive study when people ask are you born this way if you're gay? is it genetic? what is it? is there a gay gene? we're going to get to the bottom of it. there is a new study out. >> can't wait. i'll see you in a second.

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there can be no rational debate about whether this president has lied to you. more than we have ever tracked since tracking began. that is the case. the argument to make is how those around him enable and therefore own the same behavior. exhibit "a" is, of course, his campaign press secretary from last night. >> called out a new york -- let me finish, chris. >> you don't think this president has lied to the american people? >> i don't think the president

has lied. >> kaley mckinnony, your credibility will be shot with my audience if you don't back off that statement. >> and i was right. now, we know what's happening here. she's saying president trump isn't lying when he says he's already built the law, when he says muslim people cheered in the streets of new jersey after 9/11, when he says his dad was born in germany, when he says a dozen other things, all few fug. what's their playbook? give no ground. deny any lie. those who say they uphold conservative values like this man. >> i'm not asking you why they lie, i'm asking you to condemn for lying because they shouldn't lie to the american people. >> i'm not going to condemn them for lying. >> why? >> i don't have any idea why he didn't go to that meeting. >> yeah, but you know they lied about the reason he didn't go. >> why do i get to be the person

that determines whether someone is lying when they speaks or not? >> he asked the right question. especially when you're in the punditry game of judging your opponents on that basis, but you all have to make that call, all right? because it's not just okay to call out lie when it's one of your opponents. and if they don't outright deny a lie, they will pretend the lie was something less. look at this. i don't think they're lies, said this press secretary. i think the president communicates in a way that some people, especially the media, aren't necessarily comfortable with. a lot of times they take him so literally. i know people will roll their eyes if i say he was just kidding or was speaking in hypotheticals, but sometimes he is. maybe he is. sometimes he's lying. and your job is not to make sure that's okay. your job is technically to the american people and that's your responsibility. you can say, oh, it's a joke he says migrants are mostly

murderers and bad ombres. it's a joke when he talks about shutting the border and puts all these rules in that effectively do just that. it's a joke when he says he believes putin over his own intelligence agencies on the world stage. you get the point. and once it's okay to deny a lie or say it's something else, it was only a matter of time before the cover-up would get more profound. it's not that he's lying, it's that there's no such thing as truth. and this from the president's attorney. >> if fact counting is anything, we've never had anybody with the level of mendacity he has. not even close. but we'll leave it there. >> it's in the eye of the beholder. >> no, facts are not in the eye of the beholder. you're always welcome here to argue the case. nowadays they are. >> no, nowadays some people want them to be because when you can't explain what people can see and hear, what happens next? now you start to attack the people who expose the truth to them.

>> don't believe the crap you see from these people. the fake news. >> what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening. >> don't believe your lying eyes. straight out of a dystopian fever dream. literally ripped from the prophetic pages of orwell's "1984." you remember this line? the party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. politicians used to talk about the two america's, right? haves and have-notes. my father did it until his last day. there are two americas in this era as well, the true believers and everybody else, and those are some intractable groups. it's why president trump's approval ratings never get above 50 and never go below about 35%. but this kind of time spent on division is withering, to you who deserve better, certainly. even those who have to defend

it. look at scaramucci. how many others will there be? not sure. how many will do what he did or what general mattis just seemed to do subtly in his new book. how many will hold on, even double down as the divisiveness creates a near deleerium. just be clear what this is about. it's not about petty gotcha's. it's not about pitting one side to the other. it's not about playing to advantage. don't ever cheapen it by saying it's about personal animus toward this president. this is about something much more basic. holding power to account for what it says and does to the american people. period. whether it's one or two terms, this presidency will be long remembered and each and every one of us will have to answer for what we said and did during this time. one simple question that will mean everything, how will you be remembered? thank you for watching. "cnn tonight" with d. lemon. there he is. >> i often say history will be the judge. history will be a harsh one. let me read this. so this is