would be a much more wonderful place. >> while president carter spoke of how problems playing this country, he never directly criticized or mentioned president trump. to our viewers, thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer. erin burnett "out front" starts right now. "out front" next joe biden about to go head-to-head for the first time, the most important debate is about to start. tonight the new details about biden's plan at the top. plus the national security adviser. one of the most important jobs in the country. the president says it's now just really easy because of him. and the man they called african-american, remember at that rally, he is now quitting the republican party. why now? well, he's out front. let's go out front. >> and good evening, i'm erin burnest. "out front" tonight the high stakes showdown. this is the third democratic debate about to begin.

for the first time, joe biden facing off against elizabeth warren. the front runner versus the leading liberal. for both this is a pivotal evening. now, warren has been chipping away at biden's lead, steadily rising. now only six points separate the two. team biden revealing new details about the former vp's strategy. help wants to build upon his former boss' record, which was the focus of a new ad. >> sometimes you step back and don't say something you say. barack obama is an extraordinary man. >> he wants to emphasize that relationship and another man paying very close attention to the debate is president trump. he spoke just a couple moments ago about who he thinks will be the person he faces off against in 2020. >> he should be able to make it. i would imagine biden would be able to make it if he doesn't

make any major mistakes. >> if he doesn't make any major mistakes. yes, sir ka dean is live out front in houston. what more are you learning about biden's strategy, for he knows it's crucial he not make any big mistakes? >> reporter: that's certainly true. the campaign is downplaying this head-to-head matchup against joe biden and elizabeth warren and saying, look, there are ten candidates on this stage, the vice president will do what he is there to do. his advisers says that makes the case that we need more than plans but action to make progressive change. they're go him to use healthcare as an example of that. biden is going to make the case that building upon the affordable care act is the quickest and best way to ensure as many people as possible as opposed to medicare for all, which would be a complete overhaul of the system so that's what he's gentleman to try to do tonight. you saw that new ad closely

aligning that relationship with president obama. look, erin, there are numbers that support that in the new cbs poll when voters are asked, what draws to you vote for joe biden as the nominee, 87% of people in that poll said his time as vice president with president barack obama. they know that's a number that's important to them. they know that that's something they can go back to again and again. you can expect him to talk about the obama record and really defend it. but, erin, it will be really interesting to see everybody on the stage tonight. again, biden and warren had sparred before over a bankruptcy bill back if 2005. they have a history kind of going back and forth on this again as they try to downplay this head-to-head matchup. they are coming out saying our keeping tonight is we need more than just plans. we need action. erin, we will see what happens tonight. >> all right. thank you very much, jessica. now, let's go out front to karen dunn. she's prepared president obama and hillary clinton for political debates, dana bash

sunday jeff zeleny are all in houston with me tonight. dana, look, their drama, biden and warren have never been on a debate stage. here they are. they have a long, and complicated ristory and we know biden is going to say it's not just about plan, it's about execution. so, is she going to return the fire? >> it's hard to imagine that she will. >> that certainly has not been her m.o. to date. her whole campaign is based on the fact that she has plan, she has ideas, let's get out and fight and work for them. not i'm going to go after anybody, no matter who they are. >> that could change. he could, you know, sort of provoke her in a way that we don't expect. but it doesn't seem like that is her style to do that, no matter who it is that she's with. for lots of reasons. again, it's not who she s. it's not like she can't debate. one of the stories this morning says she was a master debater

since she was a little kid so she knows how to do this. and even when there is somebody who she is really trying to make a point against, she can potentially do it without being as aggressive as we've seen in the past. >> it's funny, it fits with her m.o. that she has been debating since she's 6-years-old, it's not jarring. it's completely consistent. >> i agree, she has never come to land a punch. but i will say this, if joe biden is coming, there will be two people on that stage to talk about elizabeth warren's plans. so the real question is, is she going to counterpunch if biden goes after her first? i mean i recall last time when she said, look, why are we going to talk about what we can't do, instead talk about what we can do, it was a powerful moment, is it possible she does something like that? stop saying let's just be safe, you know, right? >> yeah. >> so far her program has worked

very well for her. there is no reason she shouldn't stick to her program. and it will be a very interesting dynamic. joe biden is there to talk about elizabeth warren's plans, she is there to talk about her plans, potentially everyone else is there to talk about one of joe biden or donald trump. so we'll see if anybody actually engages in a conversation with another person on the stage. >> i love it when you are able to summarize so it well. that's how you think of it strategically, it's a way to lay it down. look, biden's plan includes as he put out, right to focus on obama. right, who has been staying out of the fray, but biden tweeted today, barack obama was a great president. we don't say that enough. he put that new video out that i was showing. it's almost entirely about his relationship with obama. so is that smart? >> reporter: well, look, if you are joe biden, of course it's smart. well, joe biden says that all the time when gow to campaign rallies, town meetings, barack

obama is a central and recurring theme in this. as it should be, okay, it's one of the biggest appoints on his giography and his re-- biography and his resume, the question is the party is without question moving in a leftward direction so there is going to be a discussion about the obama direction and record. i would be surprised if it's going to be as sharp as it was at the detroit debate if july. a lot of democrats got a lot of backlash for going after barack obama so much. so i think it's a fine line to walk there. but joe biden knows he needs to take it another level beyond simply saying, i was barack obama's running mate. erin, i am told tonight, just a few moments ago, joe biden has been doing something else, he has been hitting the books, studying warren's plans. we have been talking all about those plans, in the last several day, i am told joe biden has been sort of getting into the weeds on some of those. he needs to be familiar with them if he's going to pick them

apart. how realistic are they? how expensive are these plans? that is an interesting thing he has not done before. he has been spending time reading up on one of his rivals. >> dana, that's really interesting, jeff's reporting. you know, the whole point from joe biden has been whatever about the plans? i'm the electable one. we had heard he might be specifically looking at her healthcare plan. >> exactly. >> which i have to play the joe biden sound byte again. it says so much. here she is. >> senator kennedy better on healthcare than joe is. but you've got to look at who's going to win this election and maybe you have to swallow a little bit and say, okay, i sort of personally like so and so better, but your bottom line has to be that we have to be e to b boils down the difference between what you are going to hear from joe biden tonight and

what you will hear from elizabeth warren and bernie sanders for that matter. and that really it really defines the differences between the major candidates and it defines the differences on voters on which way they want to go. you know, yes, joe biden has been looking at plans. it wouldn't be surprising if we heard something along the lines elizabeth warren has to many plan, on healthcare she says she's with bernie. is that she wants to leave herself wiggle room on the medicare for all six. obviously, she says she is all in on. we don't have details from her. this is something if she keeps rising as she has been doing could properly hurt her in a general election. >> she has to think of a general election. on that point, karen, the washington/abc news poll has biden leading by between, sanders by 9, warren by 7. jill biden is saying so what about the passion and the good

plans? who can win? that seems to be what her job is tonight. right? to show she can be the electable one. why do people love her for the plans but not reward her when it comes to the head-to-head? >> i don't think she looks at the world that way. i think elizabeth warren is here to put forward her vision. it's unchanging. it's been the same. it's authentic to who she is. when joe biden says, who is going to get it done? what he is also saying is who can go toe-to-toe with president trump? who is going to win a general election? he is looking at this from a practical perspective. i would be surprised, very surprised, if elizabeth warren came at this in a way she's never come at it before in a debate so i suspect we will see, she is still prosecuting the case about vision. he is prosecuting as dana says the case about practicality. and all of this is overshadowed by the larger question, who could beat the president? and is that a practical

question? or is that a question about who has a vision? >> she has slowly tried to start to argue sui she could do both. she can have the vision and go toe-to-toe with the president, that they're not mutually exclusive and so it's going to be interesting to see if she continues on that path tonight and if she can do it in a more succinct way, especially given the fact that she's finally on the same stage as joe wide zbln so jeff zeleny, team biden, you hear trump say he will be the nominee unless he makes a major mistake. do they feel tonight? tonight this is the biggest one thus far, do they feel the stakes are so high that he cannot make a mistake? >> reporter: no, they, of course, would never have raised their own expectations. they are, though, quite high. the reality is how joe biden, you know, performs in the moment. he will be watched by everyone, most particularly, most important people by the voters who are trying to make the judgment as karen was talking

about. there is no correct answer w.h.o. is the most electable candidate, it's an unnoticeable thing. is it following your head or following your heart? i talked to so many voters who are weighing this. joe biden his advisers are saying this is one of several stems in the nominating fight. it's, of course, more than that. he needs to keep showing he's the strongest candidate and he's been uneven over the summer, so we'll see how he does tonight here. but don't forget the other candidates on stage as well trying to have their big moments, something like 18 more fundraising days in this period. if someone breaks out like a corey booker, amy klobuchar, that could be gang busters for them as well, erin. >> that's right. we will talk so much about those others, the fact that they have so much at stake can change the dynamics tonight. next, president trump talking act the search for his new national security adviser. here's what he said. >> it's a lot of fun to work with donald trump. it's very easy actually to work

with him. you know why it's easy? because i make all the decisions. . >> well, then why would anybody want the job? plus a major move by democrats in their move to impeach the president. why is nancy pelosi insisting nothing has changed her of all people? then this man he was singled out by then candidate trump in 2016. >> look at my african-american over here. look at him. are you the greatest? you know what i'm talking about? >> okay. >> that man is done with trump. why? he's "out front." back then, we checked our smartphones

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this week. >> a lot of people want the job and we, it's a great job. it's great because it's a lot of fun to work with donald trump. and it's very easy, actually to work with me. you know why it's easy? because i make all the decisions and i have to work. >> so, the president making light of it. although, he was also being pretty serious, right, because it's about him making the decisions. but it's not a laughing matter, because it is the most powerful national security job in the country. trump is searching for his fourth national adviser, which is more than trump and obama had in the entire two terms in the white house. michael flynn and h.r. macmaster, what are you trying to say? he's making it a joke, in his way, he is also serious, right? referring to himself in the third person, well, it's easy, because i make all the decisions. >> why would anyone want to work for donald trump period much less work to be his national

security adviser when he fired the first one, michael flinl. he fired the second national security adviser h.r. mcmaster, now he's fired the third national security adviser, john bolton. trump came into office saying he was going to hire the best people. he apparently hires people not the best people and fires them and complains about those people being in effecttual or incapable of doing their job. how can you do your job when the president is making all the decisions. this is not the way any organizational structure should operate. there is a hierarchy. he came into office and said he those more than generals, so why should he take advice from anybody? because he thinks he knows it all. >> scott, does he think what he said was funny? >> yes, he thinks it's funny. i think he was having fun with that answer, number one. number two, of course, the president makes all the decision, the president is the

commander-in-chief, the national security adviser is an assistant, it is fought confirmed by the senate. it is a staff job. it answers at the president and serves at the pleasure of the president and they do not make the decisions. the commander in chief makesth makes the final calm. in this instance the president decide ambassador bolton and he just weren't on the same page regarding policy and process. any president is entitled to having advisers around him that he has confidence in and is giving him the advice that works for his leadership style. ultimately when two guys aren't on the same page, the commander in chief has to make the decision to get the staff. >> i have to say i fully agree with you on that. i have to say john bolton's position have been so well known the fact that it took trump so long to be on the same page is damming in itself. >> you can see he used to be. >> yeah. i think that one thing that he liked about ambassador bolton at the outset was his tv persona.

you know, john bolton on television is a pretty engaging guy and had a lot of interesting things to say. its one thinking to be on television and another thing to run the staff process in a way that satisfied the president inside the white house. look, i think the president has a lot of people to choose from to replace ambassador bolton. if you think somebody is going to come into this job or any other and somehow change donald trump and make automatic decisions for donald trump. you don't understand the way the presidency works. >> scott, i think you just made my case for me. trump shouldn't be looking at fox news to pick his people to be on his national security staff or any part of the administration. that's exactly the problem. you just said it. if we had a normal sane sensible presidency, we would be looking through who are the best qualified people out there. not just who the people who were the talking heads on tv who happen to say things the president likes from time to time. that's not a responsible way to manage things. you have to understand the idea

of the president makes the ultimate decisions. but the president doesn't know everything. that's the reason why he or she is supposed to take advice from people experts in their field. this guy doesn't do that. i think cnn has already done this. you can roll the tape the hundreds of times donald trump says he knows more about this topic than that topic anybody else does. that's insane. nobody can possibly know that much. you know that. >> another topic he says he knows about scott today the report about israel spying, planting under surveillance devices near the white house. he just commented on that here's what he said. >> i don't believe that. no, i don't think the israelis were spying on us. i really would find that hard to believe. my relationship with israel has been great. anything is possible. but i don't believe it. >> now, scott, i just want to make it clear, we haven't been able to verify the spec reporting about under surveillance devices, but, of course, our allies have, you

know, spies, whatever word you want to use. right. does the president really believe that israel would not want to know, would not spy? >> reporter: well, number one, the last thing he said is the truth. anything is possible. things like this do happen. everybody is spying on everybody. >> that doesn't mean we have an ad ver airline is relationship with that country in this cases ral. i think the way it was presented to the president, perhaps he was thinking it's a question are they doing it in an ad ver airline is way. >> of course fought. does he really think because, i'm sorry, i know we have a little delay. does he think his relationship is great, they're not going to spy on him? he's either playing it so they're not embarrassed or he's utterly naive, which is it? >> what i understand the president to be saying he thought his relationship with israel is good and they wouldn't be doing anything adversarial or you would expect an enemy country doing. obviously, israel, the united

states, all these countries with intelligence services is everybody is spying on everybody, that's pretty well known. >> the sad thing is everybody else knows that, the president doesn't know that, sorry, erin. >> that's okay. sorry. we have a bit of a delay. thank you both. democrats make a major move to clear up impeachment. did they make things better or worse? and president trump responding to news the man he referred to as quote my african-american is turning on him. . >> you pointed out at the rally you called him my african-american. >> i don't know, we have tremendous african-american support. >> he joins me. are we supposed to dance? ♪

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a, new tonight, the house judiciary committee voting to give chairman jerry nadler the ability to call chairman hearings impeachment hearings. jerry nadler made it clear he is done playing word games with the whole thing. >> some call this process an impeachment inquiry. some call it an impeachment

investigation. there is no legal difference between these terms. they no longer can argue about nomenclature. >> for now sheila jackson lee, she sits on the house judiciary committee tonight. chairman nadler says you will have an aggressive series of hearings and will go well beyond the mueller report. congressman collins says the difference between formal and impeachment hearings and what we are doing today is a world apart. is it? >> first of all i'm at texas southern university. so let me say how excited i am to be here tonight for the debate. but i love the word game that ranking member collins desires to use. we are serious. this is an impeachment investigation. let me refresh your memory. the senate investigated for nine months before there were actual articles of impeachment.

many investigations impeachment investigations preceded without a vote on the floor of the house. this is the indicting body. what we're saying to the american people is, that we are not in a witch hunt. we are not going after an individual. we are fact finders in a constitutional process that is an investigation leading to the articles of impeachment. i want the republicans to sit with us as americans in this impeachment investigation, which we will now have the strength of an investigation as we go to court, as we subpoena witnesses, to be able to tell the american people. >> so on that front, you are subpoenaing witnesses so if it is an impeachment proceeding, you are able to do more of that are we going to see the main players testify? part of what made watergate waterget a people can see it on television. will we see more of that? >> absolutely, we had a few closed sessions for a variety of reasons. >> yes. >> we have a list of individuals

now that really have no excuse for not appearing before the judiciary committee. we are using the subpoena power, the white house council is one of them who has indicated or said that he's being blocked or the white house is saying that they're blocked. now with the impeachment investigation. >> mcgahn. >>ing mcgahn, now we will expe court to side with us. because we will not be able to find out the facts. we can't talk to him about what the president told him to do with director mueller. we will have corey lewandowski next week. we will go on and on with witnesss that can tell us the story. >> in some cases mueller, that's beyond, madeleine dean, she came back and said look what my constituents care about is the corruption, the public profiting from office, whether the law was broken there by the president of the united states. is that now as big of a focus as the mueller report? >> the mueller report as you well know was two volumes, one the russian intrusion and the

involvement of the campaign with russian operatives. we think that's important. we believe that as we interview witnesses or have them in hearings, who knows what may be discovered. >> i'm just trying to understand, things like emollients or mike pence staying at turnberry, those sorts of things, profiting from the office of the president is that separate? >> it is, it will not be precluded. remember the trigger for the nixon impeachment were the tapes. when we started out, with a burglary, it was whether the president directed a burglary then the tames. in this instance, no, the emollients will not be precluded, nor will the payments to individuals to keep them silent as it relates to an affair. so this is opening up an impeachment investigation to look at under the constitution the question is high crimes and misdemeanors. it's sometimes confusing to the american people. it's about abuse of power. >> chairman nadler says you say impeachment investigation,

inquiry, look, those are the same things. okay. naomieomenclatur nomenclature, words matter, chairman nadler is nancy pelosi doesn't seem to be playing ball. she was asked are you going to call it impeachment inquiry, we are loud and clear here, here's what happened. >> are you uncomfortable with the term impeachment inquiry, is there another term we should be useing? >> i'm not -- thank you all very much. you are hung up on a word over here when lives are at stake over there. thank you all very much. >> so, look, she's, people hung up on the word because she won't use the word. why won't she use the word? words do matter? her ability to get behind this matters. what itself the holdup? >> i think by her yielding to the judiciary committee on the word, we now have said that we are through with impeachment inquiry and impeachment investigation debate.

it is the impeachment investigation and the speaker is allowing the judiciary committee to do its work. we think once we get started, the american people will start holding onto the words impeachment investigation. what are they doing in they're investigating under the constitution to determine whether the articles of impeachment. i respect the speaker and i think her words today, her silence today is she's not going to get into semantics. watch what the committee is doing. watch what the courts are doing when we are an impeachment investigation and watch how the people of the united states will see and what will be a respectful detailed and definitive approach to the question of whether or not the president has violated the constitution of the united states as relates to impeachment. >> congresswoman, thank you so much. good to see you here in texas tonight. >> thank you so very much. thank you for having me. >> and next, the man president trump once called my african-american at a rally no longer backs trump.

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breaking news, president trump responding now to the news that the man that he called my african-american at a 2016

campaign rally no longer supports him. he's changed his mind. no longer for trump and leading the republican party. >> the man that you called my african-american at your rally in 2017, he says he's leaving the republican party because you are achieving a pro-life agenda. >> go ahead, what? >> what do you sa i? >> i don't know who you are talking about. >> the nan you pointed out at the rally and called my african-american. >> i don't know, we have tremendous african-american support. i think i'm at my all time high. i don't think i've ever had the support that i had now. >> trump says i don't know who you are talking about. well, that's not true. he remembers the moment as so many do, in case you forgot, here is what trump said at that infamous rally. >> look at my african-american over here. look at him. are you the greatest? you know what i'm talking about? >> that sound byte has lived over and over again. the president, himself, of

course, has seen it many times. >> that man, gregly cheadle is out front and running for california's first congressional district. gregory, i appreciate your time, thank you for coming back. i want you to be able to explain your reasons why you changed your mind about trump and the republican party. first he was just asked about you and the news that you were no longer supporting him. he tried to blow it off, i don't know who you are talking about. doesn't know who you are. do you believe him? >> no you know, i sent correspondence to president trump. he responded so to say he doesn't know who i am, that's not correct. >> that's amazing. so he actually corresponded with you after that moment at the rally? >> right. yeah. i sent him a letter regarding an issue and he responded, wrote me

back. >> so, look, he obviously knows exactly who you are. >> oh, without a doubt. >> when you pointed him out, i'm sorry, when he pointed you out, you stood by him. you came on this show and you and i talked about it. >> we did. >> you said i'm not offended, it was a fun thing that happened, you took it lightly. that was three years ago right about june i believe of 2016? >> right. yes. >> so what has changed no you that changed your mind about him? >> well, you know, when i went to his inauguration i was hoping against hope that the humility that i saw during his speech would continue but as time went on, that wasn't the case. there have been just tremendous things that have happened that offended me personally and i'm just sick and tired of the way blacks and other people of color have been treated by this administration and by the/g* op period. the kaepernick incident was you know taking a knee was the major thing for me.

i could not understand how in the world republicans could be so adamantly opposed to this man trying to get attention to the cause of the plights of blacks. i couldn't understand it. >> and i know you also mentioned the way he handled baltimore was deeply troubling to you. he's actually there tonight. that's why i bring it up, gregory, when he made those comments about you, he was on his way to baltimore. >> right. >> he's there as we speak. of course, this is the first time he's been to baltimore since he said that congressman cummings' district is a disgusted rat and rodent mess, that's the quote he said. >> right. >> what was that moment so important to you? and i know you mentioned col lip kaepernick. but that moment when he did they tweet on baltimore, more than other things, like charlottesville, for example. >> well, yeah, with the eleej ja coupling, that was pretty much one of the straws that broke the proverbial camel's back.

you know, elijah cummings, a good person, a good person, to constantly blame a black person for these things when it was the government's programs responsible largely for the ghettos that we have today with the va and fha and automatic funding they did giving loans to whites and home loans and home improvement loans and leaving blacks out of it. so it's the government's responsible. not elijah cumming's responsibility that that district is there in that condition. >> so, greg, he said when he was talking about you tonight, after he says he doesn't know who you are talking about, he said we have tremendous african-american support. the latest poll shows his approval rating among african-americans is 9%, hiss the approval is 86%. now perhaps 9% is tremendous. >> well, it is, in his case. >> for him and the african-american community. what is your response to him? >> well, again, it's playing with numbers, 9% is tremendous.

i'd give him that. that's a lot for him. i don't know that it's really 9%, i'll assume it is, that is tremendous support for him. but 9% overall is a paltry sum. you know -- >> is he racist? >> yeah, it's hard for me to call am racist. i much prefer to say he has a white superiority complex more so than rall calling am racist, with his white superiority complex it's reflecting in his cabinet. it's reflecting in the white house interns, it's reflected in his judicial appointments. so to say he's -- >> one thing i want to ask you, i'm sorry i know we have a bit of a delay, i'm zaire sorry to talk over you. when you told us the last time we spoke when ecalled you my african-american, you said it was light hearted, you weren't offended, it was a fun thing that happened, now you see him

as a pro-white, white supremacy agenda, do you hear what he said about you differently? >> well, i question now, i mean back then it was a joke. it was funny, because everyone around me was laughing because i was being a jokester that day. but in retrospect, giving him the benefit of the doubt, i just question what he was thinking when he made that statement. i don't know his heart. so it may be difficult for me to call him a racist. ? right. but at that moment you know it's my african-american feels more negative to you now than light hearted? >> well, the whole thing feels more negative to me right now than back then because the weight of being called an african-american by him, it's taken on all of the flack i got afterwards has just been, let me know, it was the pulse of the country how people just were so

fed up and like i am right now, i'm just fed up with the republican party and the way they treat blacks. you know, we have been denied opportunity after opportunity after opportunity, they would rather build jails and prisons than schools and so that has got to change if this country is going to progress and become quote/unquote great again. >> all right. well, gregory, i appreciate your time, i'm flood to speak to you again. thank you for coming on tonight. >> thank you, erin. thank you so much. and next, beto, julian, speaking to a hometown crowd tonight. could tonight give them the breakout that they need? and debate organizers this evening with a message for the candidates. watch your mouth. >> this is a [ bleep ]. >> i'm so [ bleep ]. >> what the [ bleep ]. [happy birthday music]

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both belonged to kamala harris, and she has not been able to translate that into a sustained momentum. they think this night is critical. after labor day they view people tuning in regular, non-party activist voters. they think this is their time to pull folks from biden. i think she is going to try to find a wedge between those top two candidates. she is going to try to pitch herself as an alternative to joe biden in terms of a pragmatic force. but she tried to cast bernie sanders and elizabeth warren as kind of elite candidates, ones who don't have the ability to reach a diverse coalition. one that use what she called me ideological and intellectual debates and not what moves people in a day to day on the grounds level. a biden pragmatic pitch coupled with her identity coupled with her unique personal story. >> there are a lot of people who are looking for a breakout moment, right? they've got to get fundraising by the end of the quarter here. okay, they've made the october debate. but kind of so what if you don't start to move up sharply higher.

>> what was the lesson of kamala's moment in that debate? it's one of the only things that happened in the campaign. it's probably one of the most interesting episodes. but from the biden perspective, they'll tell you, well, that goes to show you can't go after joe biden. you pay a price. kamala went up in the polls and she settled back down or below. all the other campaigns have looked at that and said all right, how do you go after biden, but have it stick? first thing is you have to do it subtly, but biden himself is very well liked by democrats. >> right. >> if it's really too tough and obnoxious, that could backfire on you. >> you don't want to look mean. >> people like the guy. that's very hard. and the second part is you have to have a post-debate strategy. >> right. >> it has to play into some message and larger theme about why you're the candidate. things i'm looking for is someone like -- do people take on biden's bond with obama? do they take on any of the big

legislation of the obama era and the obama/biden record. does castro go back and talk about their sort of spotty checkered record on immigration. >> right. >> does, you know, klobuchar attack, go after biden on any of that? she really has been very, very hard to get her to say anything bad about joe biden. >> she sort of has positioned herself as the person who could rise if he fails. >> exactly. >> you to take the same spot you can't poop all over the spot. >> exactly. >> what about beto, julian castro, they both have to break out. they're both holding rallies. this is their home state. >> right thinking is a big night for them. >> it is. we saw them kind of go out in the first debate, specifically on the question of immigration. we're going see kind of the new beto. after the tragic el paso shooting, he has kind of reformed his campaign into this kind of freewheeling, i'm going

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debate organizers may not care where the candidates swear off this kind of swearing. >> i wrote the damn bill and they've been laughing their asses off. >> reporter: but tv networks don't laugh at f-bombs. >> so [ bleep ] proud of you guys. >> reporter: for beto o'rourke thinks it's okay for his then 10-year-old daughter's ears. >> what, what the [ bleep ]. aye running for -- >> reporter: but abc told the campaigns we will not be broadcasting on any delay, so there will be no opportunity to edit out foul language. candidates should therefore avoid cursing or expletives in accordance with federal law and fcc guidelines. that means you, beto. back in march, a voter made him

promise. >> we already have one vulgar in chief. do we need to replace him with another? come on, beto. >> great point. i don't intend to use the f-word going forward. >> reporter: but fast forward through several mass shootings, an impassioned beto o'rourke let the f-bombs fall where they may. >> [ bleep ], [ bleep ]. >> reporter: president trump's crowd cheers when he pronounces bs -- >> with ridiculous [ bleep ]. >> reporter: and beto o'rourke isn't just saying it. he wants you to wear it. his website sells a t-shirt that repeats the phrase six times with all proceeds going to two anti-gun violence organizations. his supporters defend him, postg of beto's swearing, break glass and clutch. >> if you think that's bad, you should see his new campaign slogan.

beto mother -- [ bleep ] for a brighter damn [ bleep ], [ bleep ]. >> reporter: but if those who favor decorum and class have their way. >> beto better watch his class and jimmy christmases. >> reporter: how many malarkeys does it take to equal an f-bohm? >> malarkey jeanne moos. >> malarkey. >> cnn. >> malarkey. >> new york. >> thanks for watching. anderson starts now. good evening. just moments before the third democratic debate begins tonight, we're learning the strategies for some of the ten candidates sharing the stage. this third debate actually a first in a number of ways. it's the first time all the qualifying candidates will be on one stage. it's the first time all three front-runners will be on the debate stage, and the first time the leader, joe biden, will face the surging second place candidate, elizabeth warren. attacks are expected, but from whom and against whom? and will they have a lasting or just fleeting effect? now in the last few hours, sources from inside a number of the campaigns have begun to talk

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