continues now with chris cuomo. chris? >> thank you, anderson. compelling conversations. let's have them continue. i am chris cuomo. welcome to a special late night edition of "cuomo primetime," after this highly anticipated third democratic debate. the top ten democrats came to play. did any of them prove they are the clear choice to beat this president at the polls? does the head of the party see a clear conquerer emerging? mr. tom perez is about to join us. and so are some of the candidates who were on that stage just a short while ago. so, what do you say? let's get after it. well, it looks like the former vp, joe biden, learned from his past debates. the democratic front-runner didn't let anyone walk over him. he didn't worry about time cues too much. and he did make a point to take the game to other candidates. and he also was balancing

defense and offense differently tonight. especially from the lowest polling candidate on the stage, who had the lowest blow of the night, julian castro. >> are you forgetting what you said two minutes ago? are you forgetting already what you said just two minutes ago? i mean, i can't believe that you said two minutes ago that they had to buy in and now you're saying they don't -- you're forgetting that. >> no, i said anybody, like your grandmother, who has no money. automatically enrolled. >> automatically enrolls people, regardless of whether they choose to opt in or not. if you lose your job, for instance, his health care plan would not automatically enroll you, you would have to opt in. my health care plan would, that's a big difference. i'm fulfilling the legacy of barack obama and you're not. >> that'll be a surprise to him. >> andrew yang. >> this is why presidential

debates are becoming unwatchable. >> yeah. >> this reminds everybody of what they cannot stand about washington. scoring points against each other. poking at each other and telling each other that, my plan, your plan. look, we all -- >> yeah, that's called a democratic primary election, pete. that's called an election. that's an election. you know? this is what we're here for. it's an election. >> yeah, but a house divided cannot stand. >> reaction now from dnc chair tom perez. good to see you. >> chris, always great to be with you. >> that was an interesting moment. there's no chance, if castro wants to come on tonight, we welcome the secretary to explain the situation, but he said it three times, it was clearly a jab and it was clearly rejected by the rest of the debate stage. what was your take on that moment? >> well, that was one moment in a really spirited debate. i mean, you've seen a lot of debates over the years, chris, and they get spirited. and then the voters have to

decide who did best, who didn't, who stands for my values and what i like about the discussion about health care is, i think it crystallized the issue for all the voters, because every democrat wants to get to universal health care. we're 85%, 90% of the way there. and there are undeniable differences in people's approach to how to get to the mountaintop, and as -- i think the vice president said at one point, that's going to be up to the voters to decide which one works best for you. >> you think this election -- >> that's what i loved about this debate overall. >> tom, you think this general election is going to be about what health care plan the voters like best? >> i think health care is one of the top issues that voters are looking at right now. and the beauty of that issue, chris, for us, is, all the democrats want to make sure, if you have a pre-existing can ii condition, you keep your health care, the republicans want to do

the opposite. voters want to know who has their back on the issues that matter most. voters want to know who can stand up to trump so we can win, because if we have -- if we want to govern, first thing we have to do is win. so, these debates -- >> you know these questions. i talked to you about this, if you may remember, during the debate, to be chair of the party. do you know how i feel, do you get how i think and will you do what i want? those are two of the three, at least, of visceral connections. you guys are in the weeds on these granular plans. when does that end? >> well, actually, think about the end of the night, chris. i mean, i -- the -- what you heard from all the folks in response to the last question of the night was, it was an opportunity, i think, for voters to get a window into their soul. you know? talking about, you know, overcoming adversity. what have i had to confront in my life that was a big fork in

the road or an unexpected setback? and what did it transform me into and how does that play and how is that relevant to being president of the united states? and i think moments like that gave people an opportunity to really get that window, and, you know, senator klobuchar said at one point, she's right, what unites us far exceeds with our differences are. i understand your point, and i agree. we've been in raging agreement about -- people want to get that window into people's soul, who is looking out for me and people like me, you know, who's fighting for me? that's what people want to get a handle on. and i think people want to know who can take the fight to trump. >> that's true. and that's why i'm saying, i don't think the fight you're going to have with this president is what the best way is to fix health care. he's just going to call you a socialist and say that his plan will be better. you know, he doesn't have specifics, he's made it clear he won't even have a plan until after this election. let me ask you about what we saw on that stage tonight and why we

saw it. there's such a desperate competition to make the stage. is any of that a reflection of the party's rules about how tough it is to get on there and how much you've got to make noise so you can stay above the fray? >> well, i think our rules have been exceedingly fair and transparent. the first two months, you had to get 1% and or 65,000 grassroots donors of at least $1. we raised it to 2%. 2% is, respectfully, chris, not a high bar. if you have a sample size of about 400, that means you got, maybe, i don't know, 8 to 10 people who are hitting the lever for you. and we gave people 21 different polls to hit 2% four times. so, you had to battle a little bit under -- i'm still a baseball coach, you had to bat a little bit under .200 to make the debate stage. i think that's fair.

and if you look at the history over the last 40 years or so, you know, nobody under 2% in the fall has won even a primary or caucus. and so -- >> right. >> we want to make sure we're fair to everyone and transparent, but they have to demonstrate progress. that's what we're hearing from voters. and ten people did it for this debate and we'll see what happens for the next. >> as a baseball coach, you are embracing the mendoza line, as they call it in baseball. >> you got it. >> the .200 batting average mark. >> and chris, you don't have to hit the mendoza line to make the debate stage. 4 out of 21, i think you're batting about .186. >> all right, so, let me ask you this. there seems to be two paths, two narratives, you know, two -- the battle of the head and the heart in your party is, there seems to be a existential fear of four more years of trump. can't happen, i'll vote for anybody in the party, you hear so many democrats say, i'll take any of them, as long as they can beat trump. and then it becomes, what is e

lexability? is e legibility is that you are the best man or woman to go toe to toe with the kind of race this will be? or will you have to show certain policy acquittal in order to get the rank and file and the young and the diverse to come out? which one of those wins out? because i don't think you can have both. >> well, i mean, i look at the data, chris, and, you know, if you want to win an election for president, you have to do two things. you've got to have a very energized base and you have to win moderate voters. and you have to win moderate voters by a lot, because moderate voters are the largest subset of voters in a presidential election. we did this in 2018. >> yep. >> we had spectacular candidates who were listening to their voters. each candidate was the best candidate for their district. connor lamb was a great

candidate in pennsylvania, lauren underwood in illinois, a perfect candidate for her district. and -- >> most of them are mold ratder. you had a lot of women, which was great, but they were moderates. they weren't as far left as what we're hearing on this stage. >> chris, i don't know what -- i honestly don't know what labels are anymore. if you -- every candidate on this stage wants to get to universal health care. every candidate on this stage wants a $15 an hour minimum wage. everyone wants comprehensive immigration reform. i think what we miss in this discussion, chris, is what's happening on the right. the radical right of the republican party. that's really the story that i think is one of the lost stories. i mean, 90% of the american people want background checks and oh common sense gun safety measures. 90% of the american people want to help dreamers. overwhelming numbers of people want to support the notion that

if you have die bee tabetes, ot pre-existing conditions, you should able to have health care. we don't have a public option of health care because the politics couldn't support it. >> right. >> i frankly have a lot of trouble in today's world with what labels mean. i'm -- i think we have -- every candidate has a bold vision for an america that works for everyone. an america in which we judge success by sharing prosperity for everyone and not just prosperity for a few. >> okay. >> i think that's a tremendously bold vision. >> i hear you about it. tom perez, we'll see how it's made manifest. thank you for being with us. >> great. chris, always great to be with you. >> pleasure is mine. thank you for taking the invitation. so, one of the candidates that was just on the stage that you just watched had a big moment tonight. how does he think it played?

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you forgot what you said. and then people on the stage came at you and was basically giving you the message, you went too low on that. do you regret it? >> ah, no. because we had a disagreement about health care. when we were on the debate stage in detroit, senator harris, as i pointed out tonight, senator harris said of vice president biden's health care plan that it left 10 million people uncovered. at that time, on the debate stage in detroit, the vice president said no it didn't. the media fact checkers went and they looked at it, they say, yes, it leaves millions uncovered. so, tonight, i pointed that out. and when he was explaining his health care plan, one of the things that he said, folks look at the transcript, is that if you lose your job, that you would automatically get to buy into his plan. that's important language, because when he says you have to buy in, what he means is, you have to opt in. the approach to health care that i believe in is that you would

automatically be enrolled, you would have to opt out, not opt in. his opt in approach means that millions of people, 10 million people, would be left uncovered. so, then -- >> i get your point, secretary, without getting too in the weeds, i don't think that that's the way he articulated it, but we can look at the transcript any time you want. i think that he was saying it was need-based. so, didn't know that you had him on the substance, but i'm asking you about the style of it. you can disagree. you made a crack at him not h e having a good memory about it. >> what i said, he said the words buy in, and he denied it, and i said, look, two minutes ago -- >> why do you think the crowd went ooh? why do you think they said that? >> look, this was a disagreement about health care policy. i respect the vice president, i think that he's, obviously, an accomplished and fine candidate

and a fine man. i was pointing out a disagree. i will say, though, chris, that i'm also there to debate. this is a debate. and when we're talking about health care policy, we're talking about a policy that impacts every single person. >> i hear you. but this show's all about robust debate and it's also about decency. it seemed like a cheap shot. >> not at all. not at all. >> the stage didn't agree with you. the stage didn't agree with you. pete buttigieg came at you, amy klobuchar, andrew yang. >> not at all. in fact, i actually felt like the debate went very well and that, you know, my campaign has been resonating with this young, diverse coalition of people across the country. i'll also say that americans want someone, democrats want someone who can go up against donald trump on a debate stage in october of 2020 and they've

seen, in three different debates now, that i'm respectful, that i have disagreements on the policy, but that i will defeat donald trump if i go on that debate stage against him in october of 2020. >> you think you can trade shots with donald trump? the way you did tonight with joe biden? joe biden didn't come back at you. donald trump is a cheap shot master. he will have five nicknames for you. you sure you want to get into that mud? >> oh, i -- i'm more than willing to go toe to toe against donald trump and come out on top. >> don't you guys have to be better than that? isn't that what your party is demanding? we had enough, we have one vulgaria in chief? >> well, look, i wasn't vulgar tonight. i was focused on health care policy and the difference between vice president biden's plan that would leave 10 million people uncovered and my approach that would cover everybody. we had a disagreement if he said the words buy in. it was not intended as a personal attack or affront.

but there is a disagreement and we are there to debate and people want to know what the differences are, when it comes to an important policy like health care that impacts families across this nation. >> i agree. i just think how you disagree matters. let me ask you. because of how it resonated, do you think the vp is too old for the job? >> no. i've never said that. i believe that he's a fantastic candidate. but i have my disagreements with vice president biden. we disagree on health care, we disagree on immigration and i pointed that out last time about immigration in detroit, i pointed out disagreements about health care tonight. we're there to debate. this is a debate. this is what i said on the stage tonight. i'm not bashful about debating people. that's what we're here for. we're not running for student council president. we're running for president. we're going to have to run against donald trump, who is a very tough debater, so, i'm going to be prepared to go in in

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so, i wasn't trying to mess with castro too much, but i think if you're going to do something like that, you have to own it for what it is. >> yeah, and -- >> just in case, just in case you don't know what we're talking about, he said to biden three different times, did you just forget what you said two minutes ago, did you forget it, did you forget it? and the crowd went ooh. and it seemed to be a play about his gasty. >> yeah. and we'll probably never know the answer to this. i wonder if that's what he meant the first time. he repeated it a couple times, the crowd kind of went bananas, it's loud in there, biden can't hear. i wonder if that's what he meant. what i would have done in the interview with you afterwards is say, look, what i meant to say was, in the last debate, joe biden said something about health care i don't believe is accurate. it's important that we litigate the differences. you and i agree with castro that debates, primaries are about differences. but the way in which it came off was not the way in which i

intended it, i respect -- >> he did the opposite. he said, this is a debate. i'm ready to go. i'll go toe to toe with trump, too. >> and again, i'm not sure he goes into that exchange thinking, i'm going to raise this and people are -- every rational person is going to think, this is about biden's age. >> he doesn't want to wind up where rubio is. let's hold for a second. we have senator warren on. let's bring her in, standing by in houston. senator, good to have you. thank you for joining us. >> hello! >> how are you? >> good to be here. i'm great. >> one of the things that many are saying about your performance tonight was tone. strong when you needed to be, but there was an amickability to you with vp biden, a lot of people thought that was going to be a blood sport tonight. buff you had good tone throughout the night. we before just talking with secretary castro and i was asking him what i saw and i think the stage saw as a cheap shot at biden and a reflection

of what kind of tone you guys want. what was your take on that moment? >> look, i was so happy to be there tonight and to have a chance to talk to millions of people across this country about what i think's wrong in america. a country, a government that's working great for those at the top and not for everyone else. but i'm not here to criticize anybody else on that stage. >> all right, you know what, i'll take that, by implication of, you don't want that to be the tone on the stage, and we heard that from several people tonight. so, in terms of the points of comparison, the challenge for you seems to be, you want to engage the left, you've got them. you want to move down the ideological spectrum and show that the senator can take on trump, can capture the imagination of the left but also the enthusiasm of the moderates. do you think you moved that way tonight? >> so, you know, that's really what this campaign has been all about.

about reaching out and rebuilding our democracy. when i made the decision that i was not going to spend a big hunk of my time with corporate executives and bazillionaires, it freed up time to meet with people around the country. i've been to 27 states and puerto rico. i've done 130 town halls. i've taken literally thousands of unfiltered questions and in the key measure of democracy, i've done more than 50,000 selfies with people. but it's been a chance to be able to talk with people about the things that touch their heart. i think the old ways of thinking about this, you know, there's this left and this right and the center -- no. that's not what it is. people across this country, when i talk about how we've got a government that works great for those at the top, i watch people nod. and it's not working for everyone else. i watch people nod. when i talk about a two-cent

wealth tax that, on the top one-tenth of one percent and that with that we could do universal child care, universal pre-k, raise the wages of every child care worker and preschool teacher, universal college, put $50 billion in our historically black colleges and universities like where we are tonight and cancel student loan debt for 95% of the folks you've got it, people say, yeah, we could do that together. and everyone who wants to do the nay saying says, no, the rich will they ever let it happen. well, that's what 2020 is about. can we make our democracy work? and the way we're going to make it work is, we're going to build it person to person across this country. $10 donations and one hour of volunteering, that's how we'll make it work. >> a little bit of it is, you're right, there's nay saying, the dreams are too big and you counter that point effectively every time, you said, don't tell me what we can't do, show me how

you can do. on the ka do side, the criticism been, it's too expensive, what you want to do. it's scary. you want to do too much, too much big government, i don't want an equal opposite to trump. i don't want to go from rapid right to radical left. >> this is not about doing that. i just think you've got the wrong frame about this. look, think of it this way. a budget, most people are like, oh, it's all numbers, please, too hard to understand or too boring. >> true, true. >> it's not at all. it's a statement of our values. so, here it is. two cents. we can leave, at two cents, on the great fortunes in this country, that is fortunes above $50 million. you get to keep your first $50 million free and clear. i know that makes you feel better. but on your 50 millionth and first dollar, pitch in two cents and two cents on every dollar after that. we could say, no, we're not going to do that, let those guys keep the two cents, or make them

pitch in the two cents and that's how we'll invest in every single one of our babies, every single one of our young people who is trying to get an education, every single one of our people who are being crushed by student loan debt. we have a choice to make as a country. we can say we're just going to be a country that keeps working better and better for those at the top or we can make it work for everyone else. i'm in this fight because i believe we can do this, and that's what this moment is about. >> the 2% on the top, i hear you about that, but what about the middle class? could you do what you want to do with all your plans and not have a tax on the middle class? >> sure. >> really? >> yeah. i mean, look. i've got a housing bill that will build 1.2 million new housing units, fully paid for. >> no tax on the middle class for any of it? >> nope. nope. and i just came out with social

security plans today. $200 increase across the board for everyone who gets social security and everybody who gets disability payments. it will literally lift millions of people out of poverty. and you know who is going to pay for it? the top 2%. this is about our country. we need to get some balance back in this. you know, let me just make one small pitch. we know from the data that the 99% last year paid about 7.2% of their total wealth in taxes. the top 1%, they paid about 3.2%. if we call on them to pay a little more and then take that money and invest it in the rest of america, we can make this economy work for everyone. not just some, but for everyone. and we can make this democracy work for everyone. >> senator elizabeth warren, i

appreciate it very much. thank you for taking time tonight. good luck going forward. >> thank you very having me. i appreciate it. >> all right, i'll see you soon. be well. we have back-to-back candidates, we had castro, we had warren and now we will have andrew yang next. stay with our coverage. what does it take, to call yourself an explorer? traveling to the darkest depths of the ocean. pushing beyond the known horizon. passing through... "hey mom," "can we get fro-yo?", >>"yeah, fro-yo." "yes." the all-new 2020 ford explorer st. with intelligent 4wd

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all right, we're waiting on andrew yang from houston. he had a good night on the debate stage. and there he is. the yang gang very active online. i saw one set of reporting, one metric on twitter about who had gotten the most followers during and after the debate. you were right up there, if not at the top. how did you think it went? >> i thought it went great, chris. people can now feel the freedom dividend, because they're going to see their friends and neighbors hopefully get it. and i cannot wait to pick the winners so people can see $1,000 a month actually makes a stronger, health eatherheather,d out. going to improve our country.

>> to those who say, man, these people in the democratic party, they just can't give away my money fast enough, what's your answer? >> well, first, a study just came out that said our data is now more valuable than oil. and so i'd ask them to reflect, did you get your data check in the mail? because there are companies that are profiting to the tune of billions of dollars off of our information. and that's the nature of the 21st century economy. this is not us getting something for anything. this is actually our getting what we should be getting as the owners and shareholders of the richest country in the history of the world. >> so, you're saying that the money that gives each of us $1,000 a month doesn't come from tax rolls? it comes from where? >> well, it comes from the biggest winners of the 21st century economy. you have a trillion dollar tech company, amazon, closing 30% of america's stores and malls and playing zero in taxes. so, if we give the american

people our fair share of every amazon sale, every google search, every facebook ad, every robot truck mile, we can easily afford a dividend of $1,000 a month for every american, because we're going to end up taking this money and spend it in our communities anyway. >> why doesn't that offend capitalism? >> this is capitalism where income doesn't start at zero. and it's not just me. jamie diamond, ceo of jpmorgan chase, came out and said, we could declare a national emergency around the economy and have a negative income tax, which is similar to my dividend. this is the most capitalist thing in the world, because our consumer economy and our markets function much, much better when we have money to spend. it's going to be great for business. >> the idea of what happened on the debate stage tonight with castro, i just had him on the show and i said, seemed to me that you took a cheap shot at biden, you saw it three times, he said, no, no, no, i had a disagreement over policy and i'm

here to debate. and i said, yeah, how you debate matters and he said, no, i didn't mean it in any other way. i said, everybody went ooh and people went after you on the stage. he wouldn't own it that way. what was your take? >> well, you know, i was standing right between the two of them and i'll certainly leave it to americans watching at home how they interpreted it. i have a feeling i interpreted it the same way americans did. >> you are one of the straightest shooters out there. >> i'm sorry, chris, i'm a quick study. >> too smart, damn it. when you were up there, you said, come on, guys, come on, guys. what was that about? >> well, literally julian and joe worked in the same administration. and the truth of it is that when you're in a tough spot and you're -- let's say, you know, lower in the polls, then you

feel like you don't have a choice but to be aggressive, but i don't think that aggression is what the american people want to see on the debate stage when it comes to people that are, frankly, aligned on very many things. >> yeah, i think it's a tricky situation for you democrats, and here's why. as you know, you hear it more than i do, because you're out there. democrats see this president as an existential threat. they consistently tell me, in every forum i have, i'll vote for any of them, as long as they can beat trump, i don't care who it is. and how you go against him, though, will matter to democrats, see, that's the difference between your party and that party. if you check certain boxes in the republican party, you'll get the vote, they don't care how you get there. the conservatives just showed that by standing next to somebody who doesn't have any of the values they've preached for decades. you guys aren't like that. so, when julian castro says, i'm here to debate, this is how i'll take it to trump, too, you think that wins for democrats?

>> well, i'm onboard with the fact that democrats are laser focused on trying to beat donald trump. i'm one of only two candidates who was on that stage tonight that 10% or more of trump voters said they were support. so, if i'm the democratic nominee, we will win. that is the math. and that is the case i'm looking forward to making to democrats around the country. >> what is your acronym for math again? >> it's make america think harder. >> that's it. >> we have to focus on the real prorps and start solving them. >> let me ask you one other thing. are you sure you want this job? you see what happens to a president of the united states. you've made it your own way, you got a beautiful family that you love taking care of, you've been success fful a hundred differen ways. you're a young man. do you really want jackals like me coming at you on a 24/7 basis on everything you do and eat? >> well, one of the lessons in

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all right, we're back with the a-team. with the addition of paul begala. chris, sabrina and i just said, i don't think that you're going

to be wrong overall about what might happen, you're just wrong tonight. that's the kind of -- >> that's good, though. >> well-played. >> but here's why. you look at the stage tonight, begala, you're the new one on the team here. you see one reality. biden finally came to play. >> yes. >> in a way where he was literally one-on-two at points tonight with the people who we thought were going to make mincemeat out of him. good for him. tonight, he seems to be justifying the lead. but what happens when you get into the primaries, if he drops one or both of iowa and new hampshire, which is not unlikely? >> that's what we don't know. joe's run twice before, didn't do very well. the fear is, does he have a glass jaw? it's easy when you are in first. for the democrats, we hate front-runners. he's taken shots. >> he has. >> i don't have a favorite in this race, but a lot of democrats have been really concerned. can joe take the fight to trump? tonight, he took the fight to both bernie and elizabeth, who

are ten times smarter than trump. they're not at vicious, but they're ten times smarter. he did great. i think he did better than bernie and elizabeth combined. >> what about the vicious point, though? sabrina, let me bounce to you. it's not going to be, well, 3 if he gets his trillions and billions wrong, it's, you're old, you're tired, and your party is socialists. you were a failure. that's the nature of back and forth. you think that what you saw on the stage from joe biden, translates into that type of toe-to-toe. >> well, i think the reason why it's so hard to assess joe biden's prospects is that we know that voters prioritize electability. it's come at the top of many polls. they want someone that is best positioned to donald trump. we don't know what they mean by electability. to ensure that the president trump presidency is one term.

it's about a steady hand, return to normalcy, and experience and incremental change. if you're elizabeth warren or bernie sanders, it is for sweeping reforms and rallying people behind, changing a system that has benefited a privileged few. and which one of the arguments is going to win and prevail? that's the open-ended question. >> you're the ones with the encyclopedic memory. a breen in is a breen that is night. but isn't that a beauty contest? >> the thing i like with trump, is you go into it, with a gentleman's boxing watch. or earl's like, what's that over

there, and he knees you. that's what hard about him. sabrina is right about the two theories of electability. it's just so hard when it comes to trump because he -- whether you like him, hate him, anybody is between. he's an asymmetrical point to your opponent. mexico didn't pay for the wall. he'll go, oh, yeah? you're a big stupid. what is the best response? oh, yeah? you have a low i.q. what's the best way to push back? do you out-trump trump? do you go in the opposite direction? >> if you're biden, you just mention obama about 1,000 times. if biden can't last for a two-hour debate. he was fantastic. he had his red bull, came out to play. that second hour, the two questions on afghanistan, and race, a long, rambling

incoherent answer. i hate the term electability. it's coded language for straight, white mall. and it's language for chuck. i'm old enough to know when barack obama, our muslim brother, would make us pray towards mecca. 2008, so many were excited but there was no way this country was going to vote for a black han. he won a primary. he won another primary. there's people in the single digits. right now, biden has the black vote at 40. with each week, people are saying, am i really excited by widen? is he really the guy that will take me out? and if they see a warren, or a harris, or a booker -- probably not booker, they will shift. >> that did happen in some ways -- that's why it was critical obama won iowa. it became, suddenly, it's not

just we like him and he makes us excited, he won something. he can win. that is 100% true. >> and by that same token, i'm old enough to remember when everybody thought that donald trump was fundamentally unelectability. and then, new hampshire, it changes the course of the republican primary. if you look at elizabeth warren and her big attack will be, they're socialists, that's the scare tactic you're going to hear from their mroital o pents, they may say, we don't actually know. >> i think that joe, tonight, did go a long way, to say, not electable but could take the fight to trump. the way he handled bernie and elizabeth at the same time. even more interesting, was kamala harris' strategy. she tore into joe before. this time, she tore into trump.

and i get hitired of them to wa their paper around. and she took the fight to donald trump, with a real passion. >> white male stereotype aside for the moment. if william jefferson clinton were on that stage, he would wipe the floor with donald trump. why? >> the problem is him and not us. i am distracted by him. a's racism and xenophobia. that's all awful, but what obama would do, same thing. they objectify that. they say, why is he doing this? why is he dividing white folk from black folk. he thinks by dividing us, he can rule over us. the two of them, they would take attacks like that -- nobody had worse personal attacks than

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we're back for our live postdebate coverage. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to "cuomo primetime." the top democratic contenders shared the stage for the first time in this 2020 race. the main target, you had to believe, was joe biden. he came ready this time. it was a different debate. a long debate. there was a lot to discuss. we have time to test their performance. what do you say? let's get after it. all right. it is beyond conjecture that democrats believe health care is their big topic. this was the third debate where they were big in on health care. some of that was the moderators. and some of it was the inclination of the people on the stage. bernie sanders and joe biden clashed in houston. things went beyond policy. take a listen. >> you have to defend the fact that 500,000 americans are going

bankrupt. you know why they're going bankrupt? because they suffered a terrible disease, cancer or heart disease. under my legislation, people will not go into financial ruin because they suffered with a diagnosis of cancer. and our program is the only one that does that. >> i know a lot about cancer. let me tell you something. it's personal to me. let me tell you something. every, single person, who is diagnosed with cancer or any other disease, can automatically become part of this plan. they will not go bankrupt because of that. i've been there. you've been there. you know what it's like. people need help now, hope now and do something now. >> i told you, it's a different joe biden tonight. i got three, key democratic insiders here. alexander rojas, issa moodie mills and joe lockhart. joe, i have to tell you, bringing up cancer patients to joe biden was not the best use

of ammunition for bernie sanders on an issue he generally owns. >> he has a personal story. i think he told it there. he told it in the end, the resilience question, were strong answers across the board from all of the dand dates. everyone will talk about joe biden was attacked tonight. there was a clearer distinction between, there's two schools of thoughts among democrats. bernie sanders and elizabeth warren believe we have to force ourselves into medicare for all, where private insurance is abolished and the rest of the field is not there. the public opinion polls is very popular and very controversial to eliminate private insurance. we saw for the first time, elizabeth warren and bernie sanders a bit on the defensive there. and this is going to be a critical issue. >> they talk about the profits not getting rid of insurance.

but elizabeth warren, we had her on the show earlier today. she's talking about 2%, 2%, 2% tax. that will take care of it. she doesn't lean on getting rid of private insurance. is that an adjustment? does it work? >> i think the line of the night around health care was hers. and it does work. she hasn't met one person that actually loves their insurance company. so many of us can talk about the providers that we like and appreciate, doctor so and so. she differentiated the conversation around the insurance companies and how much it costs you out of pocket, versus how much it will cost with a tax increase that will be negligible. $500 a year, maybe you'll feel less. and she made a really good point at reminding us, we keep having this conversation. no one in america is hugging their insurance company and loving them. but let's figure out how to get better care and make sure we're

doing this in a way that we have better relationships with our doctors. >> don't you have to be a little price tag sensitive. we don't do it as much now because it's primary season and you're competing among ourselves. most independent types you talk to say, this is expensive stuff. this is big, huge, government programs. how do you allay fears? >> the question of what can i afford to do today? is something that every american asks themselves. but what are we spending our resources on as a nation? what are we prioritizing? currently, it's trillions of dollars to wars that are never ending. it's going to bailing out big banks on wall street and not holding people accountable. not even holding the president of the united states accountable. when we want to prioritize every man, woman and child in this country to have health care as a guaranteed human right, that's

the ends goal we should always be striving for. and the great achievement we've had such as obamacare, there's people that are left off of that. our goal must be to have a system that puts people before profit. and ultimately makes sure that every american has coverage. there's one way to do that and that's many ed care for all. >> why isn't that popular with the component of getting rid of insurance? >> i don't know why people think the way they think. >> it is popular. >> it's not if you look at the electorate as a whole. >> single payer is popular. >> when you ask people, do you believe in what mayor pete is for, medicare for those who want it. that remains popular. when you go the extra step and you force people to give up private insurance, and people don't love companies and love their banks, but there's people who like the coverage they have. that doesn't mean we shouldn't worry about the people who don't have coverage. and when you add in all of the

information here, it's down in the 20% range, among democrats. so, not even democrats support this. and that's why, when elizabeth warren was pushed, she wouldn't answer the question, of would it raise taxes and would it eliminate private insurance? >> she will not raise taxes on the middle class for any of her plans. we'll see if that comes back to bother her. >> pitch people like 2 cents on the dollar or something? >> after your first $50 million. >> when the argument of the conversation gets pushed into you not being able to choose something, that's when people get fearful. the narrative is, we're going to take something away from you and limit your ability to make choices. i think the conversation could go a different way if you said, this is what you are paying out of pocket. you could be paying less because we have a way to offset your personal costs.

and that will be better for you across the board. the way the conversations had about the money matters. >> that's possible. why is it not popular and why eight candidates come out and oppose warren and sanders is because you are taking away choice. that's always a difficult thing. sometimes you have to do it. right now, the way they are articulating it, it is not a popular idea. it may be a good idea. >> it's clearly a popular idea. this is the third debate where we've had the same exact conversation about health care. there is a contingent about not just young people like myself, but thousands of people across the country, that are part of the statistics of 60% of people going bankrupt because of health care held related costs. i don't have to tell you, how broken our health care system is. the only way medicare for all is on the table right now, is because we push the medicare for all debate. i think that it's popular to be on there. >> i'm not arguing the policy of

whether sanders has the right program or warren has the right program. >> it's popularity. >> this is a question of popularity. and the polls don't lie. >> i'll argue the point. here's the argument, that you -- i don't like the insurance. it's expensive. they always come in new ways. nothing is in-network. i don't like the companies. i like the providers, but they're all involved with billing. and when i put in a claim, it takes twice as long. when they want the money, they're coming after me in 15 seconds. let's say everybody is in their place. what i don't want is more confusion. more government, and potential price tags that i don't see coming because i don't trust you, is the anti-morphization of politicians. i hear big price tag. i hear better for me long run. i need help now because it's killing me.

transition costs scare me. time and lag scare me. change scares me. help me. >> this country has gone through the greatest moments of american history have been through when we make massive systemic change. if we think how we electrified the nation. how we went to the moon, how we built the systems we currently have today, we did them as america. i believe that every -- that in the greatest country on earth, which is our nation here, you know, that we can rise to the challenge we need. if the challenge is, we need to provide health care for every man, woman and child in this country, and we haven't been able to do it, with the measures we've taken now, i don't believe that offering -- >> you got close. and that's biden's pitch. a little buttigieg also. listen, we got close. we're going to add another piece, which they wouldn't give us last time, now, we know better. we're going to give you this medicare option.

you can have a public option, a public option on top of it. you like your insurance? keep it. we're not blowing up capitalism. not blowing up what you have. we're going to add a piece to cover the people that are covered now. >> the point you're making is a messaging one. i wonder how this conversation would go if we were talking about an evolutionary system, to your point, right, evolving obamacare to all of the pieces to get us medicare for all, versus, we're going to scrap this and throw it away. >> people fear change a little bit. >> i believe, if messaged well, people will say, medicare for all, makes a lot of sense for all of our families. i believe there is a messaging challenge to get through. >> and i think -- we see that playing out with warren. >> what gets lost and it's really important, in the fight between medicare for those who want it, medicare for all, we forget to say, and the republicans want to take away obamacare. >> right. >> i give kamala harris tonight for pointing that out. that was one of the most

powerful lines. she said, hold on a second. we have different ideas of how to do this. but those guys are in court right now, trying to take away what you already have. so, it's not a bad fight for democrats because it highlights the issue, the single-best issue for democrats in 2018 and 2020. >> i think we're in the light place now. i want to take a break. now, the table is properly set. you got the right issue. are the democrats talking about it the right way for the fight that is to come? i promise you, we will never have a debate in the general election, where i discuss the plans that were offered up on the stage. when we come back, we'll talk about what was said up there by beto o'rourke about the gun issue. no f-bombs. they can sometimes be appropriate. but he did make a controversial vow. how is it playing? we'll talk about that next.

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all right. more postdebate coverage. there was a lot to work with tonight. i know they all seem like they were about health care. but they weren't. beto o'rourke went big in terms of what he wanted to do for gun control, further than anyone else. >> are you proposing taking away their guns and how would this work? >> i am, if it's a weapon designed to kill people on a battlefield. the high-impact, high-velocity round, when it hits your body, shreds everything inside of your body because it was designed to do that, so you would bleed to death on a pat battlefield and not be able to get up and kill one of our soldiers. when we see that being used against children -- in o december kdec decemb odess odessa, whose little girl was shot by an ar-15. there weren't nufr ambulanenoug

to get to them. we're going to take your ar-15. your ak-47. we're not going to allow it to be used against fellow americans anymore. >> the crowd there in houston loved it. we're back with alexandra rojas, aisha moodie-mills. the gun lobby will make a thousand distinctions about what's a weapon of war and what isn't and how the ar-15 is misunderstood. that, you have to push, is a fringe argument. in the main, it is, you're going to take our guns. look at how all of the democrats cheered. >> it is not a majority of america that wants to cling this their ak -- whatever they are. i don't think it's a winning proposition for the democrats to be overly concerned about that 30% they're not going to win anyway. i think it is the middle that

really deeply gets frustrated. it's mothers in the suburbs who are in tiers because their 7-year-olds are back to school and they are learning drills for an active shooter. there's a lot of people, the majority, who are like, i don't know why you need an assault weapon. and at minimum, we need to have background checks. that's who the democrats need to appeal to. they're not going to win back and forth in a debate, with folks that want to horde their rifles. that's fine. i don't believe they're the majority. sensible gun donor owner s say . >> it's the reverse messaging they're trying to use on trump, having reasonable gun reform. he'll never lose his base anyway. they have no place to go. they didn't leave you on bump stocks, on 100-round magazines. do you agree that you're going

to take things back? >> let's talk about beto first. this is a winning issue for him for a couple reasons. he needed to stand out. he got lost in the shuffle. second, it's authentic. it's from his hometown. you can't look at him tonight and not think he is feeling pain or his emotions are real. this puts him in some respects back on the map. as far as the overall debate, i believe that the gun debate in this country is changing. i liken it to gay marriage. we weren't sure it changed until, the dominos all fell so quick quickly it was amazing. we thought, how do we get this done in two years. i think the presidential election will be decided in the suburbs and will be decided among women. and they look at this different. can a democrat message this in a way that isn't as hot and threatening to gun owners? of course they could. but does the strong, authentic

voice, help move the debate? i think you can have both of those things. >> i think you need to be careful with confiscation. i think you have some tricks there. i don't think it is what you necessarily fix. what you fix on this level, of how do you control who gets what? then, how do you control who gets what on the level of capacity? right? red flag low laws go to that. i wouldn't be surprised if blumenthal and gram can work a deal this president gets behind. someone can convince him, you're not going to lose your people anyway. you won't lose your people. they will not like this. but a lot of people will like you now and the ones who don't like it will still like you. too much? too much in one thing? i just think, yeah.

i think beto had one of the strongest performances of the night, from the gun issue, in particular. he was able to be the tip of the spear on that issue. >> he gave a point to your opponents. they hit you with they're going to take our guns all the time. and people say, we're not going to take your guns. he just did. >> here's the thing, an assault weapon ban was passed in 1994 by president clinton. he lost -- the democrats lost the midterm elections. it wasn't that every politician decided that was the worst vote they made on policy, it was on politics. all that needs to change is for someone to step forward, propose something and then show that the politics have changed. we are nearing a tipping point. >> bernie sanders voted against

the brady act, like, five times. in 2016, he had to be called into account for the fact he was in good standing with the nra. he had a lot of excuses around it. here we are now, fast-forward three years later, and he is very clear about where he stands on gun safety and gun reform. and so, the politics have shiflteshiflt shiflted. we are in an interesting place, where this may be important. but you have to contend with the senate. they're not losing their seats over this issue just yet. the democrats in the house, the tides have changed for sure. you're seeing fewer democrats that are saying, i have to be in good standing with the nra. that's intolerable for their own base and party. so much of this has shifted. i'm concerned that the movement on the policy action, i'm not so -- i'm not so optimistic.

he's not going to lose people. i think he has to be told, we're going to lose three senate seats. it needs to matter to the balance of power. that would probably -- >> that's the missing piece. the missing piece has never been logic. it's not the polls. it hasn't been made manifest at the polls. 90% want background checks. they don't come and haunt you for primaries. if you don't vote for background checks, we're coming for you the way voters go into areas that lifestyle is more abundant. and say, if you're not for us, we're against you. that needs to change. is there a chance of that this time? >> i think there is. part of the leadership is showing the people the way. that's what we have to do.

>> bloomberg has been interested in organizing this work. i just did the keynote address for the march for our lives summit. it was the young people from parkland. they are organized around voting and getting people engaged. you have gabby giffords, mobilized around this issue. i think that's starting to happen. >> we had our first two election cycles where the nonbaby boomer generation is a bigger part of the voting block than they are. alexandra, aisha, joe, appreciate it. did castro's jab at joe biden help or hurt? you know who we should ask? the wizard of oz. i'll wake him up and get him off my couch and he'll tell us what kind of tool that kind of attack can and cannot be. next.

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with all due respect to secretary castro, and i mean that, it did seem like he took a shot at former v.p. joe biden about his age. the question is, does the age matter? was it worth it for castro. let's bring in the wizard of oz. this discussion i was getting beat up about on health care tonight. this idea that i never met anybody that likes their health

insurance. we may not like companies. i like my health insurance. i'm afraid of change. i don't know if i want to go through change. what do we know? >> we have one thing on the wall. gallup asked the question, are you satisfied with your health care costs? three-fifths of democrats said they were satisfied with their health care costs. i don't understand this entire thing. democrats are like the affordable care act. they like their health care more than not. those on the other side of the party are not looking at the electorate at large. >> everybody wants better, cheaper, more efficient. you have a number about that. >> we do have a number about that. democratic nominee preference. would you rather vote for somebody who builds on obamac e obamacare? yes is the answer. they want somebody who built on obamaca obamacare. 40% want to replace medicare for all. you understand that joe biden

has the primary pgosition. >> castro going after him on the issue isn't that high-percentage. in terms of making that point, joe, you're old, does that work? >> no, it wasn't work. i'll tell you a number of reasons why it doesn't work. joe biden is 27% to 18 to 25-year-olds. 45-64, they make up the majority of the democratic electorate. that's why he's leading. he's leading because older voters like him. and you see it in the numbers? >> what do we see from cbs? >> candidate joe biden's age. do you think he's too old? only 31% in the early primaries said, yes, he is too old. two-thirds say age is not a concern with joe biden. i don't understand the castro attack, to be perfectly honest. he was wrong on the health care

part. and biden did not say what castro claimed he said. and it doesn't go after biden's base. just came off bad. it's dominating the coverage right now. >> it is the coverage right now. with castro, the idea, when i interviewed him, he wouldn't own it. how does that work as a political dynamic in your mind? it was clearly his intention. either you can say, i didn't mean it that way. >> right. >> he said it three times. it's hard to say you didn't mean it that way twice when you said it. he must think it will hurt him. does it? >> look, the fact of the matter is, castro is polling at 2% of the democratic primary. he's not going to come out of this. the real question is whether or not it helps or hurts joe biden. remember when eric swalwell is when he passed the torch?

>> he's watching us at home. >> he's no longer in the presidential race. the attacks on joe biden are so obvious, it comes across as uncouth. that's not so good when you're running in a primary. >> did you use the word uncouth? >> i did use the word uncouth. >> have you used the word couth? >> i have. i used it in a reference to an e-mail with your executive producer just a few days ago. >> couth? >> yeah. >> i don't think it's a word. >> we can look at it. dictionary.com. >> thank you, wiz. shalom. shalom, not the wave. >> the morning, i do the wave. when we come back -- >> we're in the morning. >> all right. so, we have this primetime late-night style that warrants the harry enten early morning greeting. we'll give you more of it after this.

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we saw some fireworks at this third debate. we saw some humor.

we saw something that i think counts the most and we saw the least of and i think it should be a important of instruction for the democratic field. so, mayor pete buttigieg, at the end of the debate, talked about his life-changing moment. listen to this. >> you know, military officers serving under don't ask/don't tell. and as an elected official in the state of indiana when mike pence was governor, at a certain point, when it came to professional setbacks i had to wonder whether just acknowledging who i was going to be the ultimate career-ending professional setback. i came back from deployment and realized, you conditiononly get one life. and i was not interested in not knowing what it was like to be in love any longer. so, i just came out. i had no idea what kind of professional setback it would be.

inconveniently it was an election year in my community. when i trusted voters to judge me on the job i did for them, they decided to trust me and re-elected me with 80% of the vote. what i learned is that trust can be reciprocated. and part of how you can win and deserve to win, is know what's worth more to you than winning. that's what we need in the presidency right now. we have to know what we're about. and this election is not about any of us up here. it's not about this president. it's hard to talk about much else somedays. it's about the people who trust us with their lives. >> let's come back now. and i think that the substance is poignant. but the connection is more of

what matters most in politics. people vote for you because of how you make them feel. what connects to them. that was his biggest moment of the night. >> it's hard because it came at 10:42 eastern. ideally, you want to have your bigger moments earlier before folks go to bed. shouts to people still up watching this. but i think that's true, chris, when it comes to a presidential primary. as much fighting as they you saw there, and they do disagree, 98% they agree. there's different approaches. biden is a different approach. broadly speaking, think agree about the direction of the country and it's different than what donald trump has done. but what you really voted for is who is this person, right? and the police station politice

seen success were republican or democrat. barack obama was able to tell the story of his life in a way that connected with people who weren't -- department have a white mom from kansas and a father from africa and grew up with their grandparents in kenya -- in hawaii, rather. it was a powerful american story. bill clinton up from his boot straps. that is hugely important. i think we under play it. there's people that vote on single issues. you don't oppose abortion, i'm not voting for you. but the people who decide elections vote the heart, as opposed to the head. >> when it came to that answer, it was the final question about resilience. and the most powerful answers came from pete buttigieg, elizabeth warren and kamala harris. when it comes to authenticity and narratives, people forget barack obama, tied his

narrative, his story, being a biracial man, the son of a countryian m i kenyan man and a white woman. i, too, can become president. and elizabeth warren did it strategically. it's not enough to attack trump. you pivot and connect it to your personal story. what pete buttigieg said, i was a guy man. i served in the military. i speak 87 languages. i'm married to another man. i'm going to be authentic. this is an america where i can live. can you imagine going up against mike pence? this is where she differentiates from sanders. she pivots to her personal story. again and again. i came from oklahoma. i had struggles. i was a woman, i was pregnant, i had to leave. if i can make it, i want to give you the opportunity to make it, as well.

there is a lesson in that, too. people like him or don't like him. but he's playing on the level of judgment. elizabeth warren does do that. it is the rice and peas beside the steak on the plate. and i think to be effective, you have to flip it. i feel your pain. i get where you are. i've been where you were. i got here because of how we can achieve things in this country. i get you, i got your back. that's the most important currency. >> and it's not just the personal story that many of the candidates bring to the table. it's whether or not they're going to choose empathy as president of the united states. that's been dogging this president for a long time.

that's part of why beto o'rourke had a strong night, drawing from the raw emotion of a mass shooting in his hometown, taking that break from the campaign trail. you saw him talk about gun violence and white nationalism. it was being tested in that moment and he was able to draw a contrast with the president, without making it about the palsy specifics. >> it sounded like he came out for confiscation. >> he came out for aggressive gun control measures. the reason it resonated with a lot of people, is it spoke to their frustrations. and just where we are in this country with race relations. >> are these cameras on? >> my father, 1984, had the two defining moments of his political life on the national

spectrum. i wanted to mess with him when he was messing with me, all the time, i say, it was big words for a guy who gave two good speeches in his whole career. his 1984 address at the national democratic convention and his speech at notre dame -- notre dame, the university, that was the most important speech he ever gave. he said to me later in life, i had a choice with that speech. i was going to go one way with policies and what works and the problem with debt and deficit. i decided i'm going to go with my story about how i got where i was and that will never happen if we do what reagan wants to do. to this day -- my father has passed. so, people are nice, generally. i appreciate that. they would say, i didn't agree with your father on the death penalty. and i thought he was too tax and

spendy for me. i knew he got people like me. that's the currency in politics. and i just believe that this, my single player, gets you there in eight years and yours is in five. you opt in and you opt out. and you're getting into a general election where your best chance is to say this man is not an american president. and i am and here's why, person versus person, heart versus heart. and they're not doing that. >> in a weird way, donald trump's appeal is his authenticity. you would never act the way he acted, in order to curry political favor. i heard over and over, people in the campaign, why would he lie about that. he's not trying to get our vote. this must be how he really is.

i don't think it's smart to outdonald trump him. there is an authenticity to him, even though he is a billionaire, that has cast himself as the working person. >> he hates the same people. >> but authenticity does, especially with him, because that's his strength, in the weirdest way because people believe he is who he is, when you're on camera. >> it's like the dark side of the narrative. his narrative is b.s. but the narrative of trump, as the self-made man, he inherited millions. the man with the midas touch, even though everything he touches dies. that story sold. and he has charisma. obama and clinton, two of the most prolific storytellers in the democratic party. this is the strategy. you attack.

you priivot. you give your vision of america. and you tie it to your personal story to connect to the heart strings. and then, you drill down on policy. you saw warren trying to do it today. you saw be beto trying to do it. harris was great at attacking trump. but she falters when it comes to the personal narrative because we don't know what is her authentic self? >> former vice president joe biden spoke once again about the unimaginable grief that's bookended his political career with the loss of his wife and infant daughter, and his late son. one of the strengths he had was the ability to empathize with people who have experienced loss. that helps him at a time when the country is in need of healing.

there's too many candidates and the field is so wide. it's difficult for the public to real really fixate how they are on policy, on the nuances on health care, guns and immigration. >> i know it will change. every day you stay stuck on the policy in the granular level of it, you are missing where people's heads and hearts are going to be. that would be my suggestion. i know you guys are great. thank you. >> well done. that was a great transition. you guys did me right. i appreciate it. you heard the talk about gun control in the debate. some of the most powerful people in america just made their voices heard. what did they say? that's next. ♪ the amount of student loan debt i have i'm embarrassed to even say i felt like i was going to spend my whole adult life paying this off thanks to sofi, i can see the light

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