laughter" airs sunday at 9:00 p.m. right here on cnn. i'm pretty sure we're going to keep this. i'm pretty sure we're going to keep this even though i can't. thank you for joining me. "inside politics" with john king starts right now. >> thank you, kate, and welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day with us. fallout from a feisty democratic debate. biden mixes it up with elizabeth warren and bernie sanders on health care. hasty retreats the morning after. plus, beto o'rourke adds a hell, yes when asked if he would ban assault weapons. something democrats see as an impossible sell in a general election. and clear dividing lines between the liberals and the more

moderate candidates, with an exception here and there. >> my friend thinks employers are going to give you back if you negotiate the union all these years and have to cut wages because you have insurance. they're going to give back that money to the employee? >> as a matter of fact, they will. >> as a socialist, you have a lot more confidence in corporate america than i do. >> we begin the hour with that debate. the democrats and their post-debate reset. or in the case of two candidates, their hasty post-debate retreats. last night the houston debate brought a big split on health care. you saw some of it there. medicare versus building on obamacare. there were also flashy moments for lower tier candidates who needed them. so don't expect the field to shrink much before the next debate. the most memorable? julian castro's attack on biden. >> they do not need to buy in.

>> you just said two minutes ago they had to buy in. are you for getting already wha you said just two minutes ago? i can't believe that you said two minutes ago that they had to buy in, and now you're saying they don't have to buy in. you're forgetting that. >> the morning after, castro insisting this was all about policy, not a personal dig at the former vice president's age. >> that was not a personal attack. this was about a disagreement over what the vice president said. that's a question that i would ask any opponent on stage. >> are you asking us to believe this morning that you weren't questioning joe biden's memory? >> oh, i was questioning why he was saying that he hadn't said the words "buy in." >> after the debate, cory booker sided with castro, but a few hours later, he joined castro in the walkback aisle. >> there is a lot of people who are concerned about joe biden's ability to carry the ball all

the way across the end line without fumbling. there are definitely moments where you listen to joe biden and you just wonder. but i don't know -- look, forgive me if my football metaphor about fumbling the ball is being taken out of context. >> so to use the football metaphor, you wouldn't throw a flag on questioning joe biden's memory? >> look, i definitely was not saying that. i think that we all have challenges at times. i can't even remember what i had for dinner last night. >> with me today to share their reporting and their insights, julie pace with the associated press, cnn's jeff zeleny, michael share with the "new york times" and jerene parkie with the "wall street journal." my takeaway from that is, look, question any candidate. they all have memory issues.

they realized the morning after it's daj rungerous to bring it . >> they were giving issue to comments by democratic voters, is joe biden too old to become president? has he lost a step? is he too shaky? that's an actual conversation that's happening. but the reality is joe biden still has a lot of goodwill with democratic voters, and what a lot are seeing is there is still a line with how far a lot of democrats are willing to let you go in challenging him. that could change as we get deeper into the primary, but right now it still remains risky to voice those concerns publicly. >> fair, and they're doing a great job the morning after as candidates start to retreat saying, come on. especially last night when castro said to joe biden -- he was actually wrong about what joe biden said. i'm not beating him up for that.

he was wrong, but it was crystal clear what he was trying to do. >> no question. and if you look at the first debate and the second debate, one strategy that has not worked is trying to go after joe biden personally. eric swalwell is out of the race. kamala harris had her best moment and her worst week since. so the reality here is that they have injected this into the bloodstream. even though they're apologizing this morning, this is something, as you said, democrats are talking about it, but either own it or not own it. they had to know it was going to sort of not be seen that strongly by democrats. but i think the bigger point is, when you swipe away everything, i'm not sure that much changed last night except joe biden is still the frontrunner. he had a very strong first part of the debate. as the debate went on, it was very long, he had a weaker performance. but you walk away from this, he's the winner. julian castro is not. >> but what's really interesting about this is the alternate universe that we're living in in

the democratic primary where such rules that we're talking about and niceties still apply in politics where somebody, you know, makes an attack like julian castro did, which, let's face it, is pretty mild compared to what we saw in the republican contest and what we've seen from this president for the last -- think about it. what's interesting is we're living temporarily in this moment where the rules are all back in place, where everyone is sort of -- >> it's a different audience. democrats are yearning for unity. >> i'm not making a judgment on it, but we're going to live in this universe now, and then it's going to collide when the general election comes into a set of rules that aren't like this anymore, because donald trump is not going to play by the rules. >> that's a point castro also tried to make. he said, we need a nominee that

can go toe to toe with donald trump. if you thought i was too mean, wait until donald trump. >> if biden's collective people are going to be upset by that, what are they doing? >> we had no idea he would react to trump. >> this debate will not be settled. the voters will settle this debate. just like they did in 2008. there was universal coverage between hillary clinton and barack obama and other candidates back in 2008. this issue is a defining one for the democrats. we saw joe biden, i don't evcal him a leading candidate, he's under 30, but he is well loved in part -- this came up later in the debate -- in part because his personal story is compelling. >> keir kegard said reality is best seen in the dark.

when my son bo came home from iraq, years later was like losing part of my soul. i found that you deal with it in finding purpose with what you do. >> when you listen to that, and if you know his life story and the personal struggles, he is beloved in the party. that does not mean all the democrats -- there are a lot of democrats to your point who question, is he the best nominee? his history of gas goes back to when he was in his 30s. some say he's lost a step, and others say, no, this is the biden i've known for 30 years. there was gasping from people who support other candidates saying, you can't do this. the point being, if joe biden is going to fall, a lot of democrats even democrats for the other candidates, because of his history and because he's a nice guy, they say, they want it to happen on its own? >> yeah, and to jeff's point about, i think, some of the downfalls for some of these candidates like kamala harris who took this very pointed and personal shot at him in the

first debate, one of the lessons learned is if biden is going to tumble, if he loses his standing in it is top of the pack. it's not going to happen because someone launches an attack, it's going to be on his own. i had an interesting experience when i was talking to voters in iowa and new hampshire who came out to see joe biden. sometimes he can feel a little rough, sometimes he can feel a little rambling, sometimes he can make some statements and voters say the same thing. i feel comforted by him. i know him. i know what's behind those missteps, there is a genuine goodness to him. so far that seems to matter to voters than some of these things the candidates really want to focus on. >> he is in his 70s. he did live before many other younger democratic voters, so some of his references sometimes do make your head snap back a little bit. like last night, he was trying to make an important case and this comes from his wife. he was a broken family, in

poverty, and young children need to hear words. joe biden was trying to make that case but he took us back a few years. >> we bring social workers into homes of parents to help them deal with how to raise their children. it's not that they don't want to help, they don't know quite what to do. play the radio, make sure the television -- excuse me -- make sure you have the record player on at night, the phone -- make sure the kids hear words. a kid coming from a very poor school, very poor background, will hear 4 million words. few are spo few are spoken by the time they get there. >> record player? >> my issue with that answer was less that he used a dated thing like a record player, more with the gravity of the question. the questions about race has been something biden has been asked about repeatedly. he should have a strong answer on this issue at this point.

but he gave such a muddled response. he went from talking about race to record player to maduro. this is his opportunity to really try to get voters who don't feel as comfortable with him on issues of race. the same thing happened with a question on immigration, another question biden has struggled to answer for the obama administration's deportations. again, he didn't give a strong answer for that. >> the record player, it's what a grandfather might say, a great-grandfather might say. voters, i can tell you, there is a huge gap. if you like him, you like him. if you don't and you're looking for something else, you don't, but he's not going to fall based on a record player comment. >> one quick moment that i found compelling last night. bernie sanders and joe biden disagree on just about everything. when julian castro attacked joe biden, bernie sanders came over. this happened a couple times during the debate. bernie sanders came over. friends from the senate, the

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the first big debate flash point last night was health care, joe biden leading the charge against medicare for all. too expensive for starters, he says. and the former vice president said it's wrong to tell workers who like their private health care plans the government is making them illegal and has a better way. bernie sanders and elizabeth warren were the other two top advisers. nothing was settled in last night's der babate, but it was feisty. >> my plan costs $430 billion. it doesn't cost $30 trillion. >> status quo over ten years will be $50 trillion. >> on medicare for all, costs will go up. costs will go up for giant

corporations. but for hard-working families across this country, costs are going to go down. >> this is the biggest dividing issue, and it's the vehicle, if you will, for the broader conversation about how big, how bold, how left can you go, or is it better to be more pragmatic or incremental and try to stay in the middle? >> no question, it's the issue that animates everything. ask you're p and you're perfectly right, it didn't settle the discussion, it simply set up the divide. i was watching it saying, we're going to go past april on this, maybe longer. voters are genuinely torn about it. i'm not sure any minds were changed by that, but i do think the former vice president got some points across about how expensive his plan is. and he had a couple people come to his aid, amy klobuchar and pete buttigieg as well. >> two candidates from the midwest who said democrats have to be careful. you want to get michigan back,

you want to get rhode island back, you better be careful. here they are. >> while bernie wrote the bill, i read the bill. 149 million americans will no longer be able to have their current insurance. >> the problem, senator sanders, with that damn bill that you wrote and that senator warren backs is that it doesn't trust the american people. i trust you to choose what makes the most sense for you. >> it's an incredibly personal issue to everybody, and it is both a policy -- the nitty-gritty policy and the more idealogical question, which way do you go, is the biggest in this race. >> i think everyone was waiting for this question and the responses from elizabeth warren and joe biden and for them to go at it on this subject. what ended up happening is senator bernie sanders talked about medicare for all and defending his position, and we didn't really hear as much from senator warren. she was asked repeatedly if

middle class would have to pay more in terms of taxes to pay for medicare for all, and she didn't really answer that. we heard senator sanders continuing to defend the legislation but not really much from her. >> and the answer is yes. the answer is yes. >> if you back the bernie bill, yes. >> if you read the bernie bill, yes, the middle class will pay more in taxes. he says the overall cost will go down because you're not going to pay premiums, you won't have things coming from your paychecks, no co-pays, no deductibles. but she would not answer that question. >> it's fairly obvious why. even with all the explanations that bernie puts around that answer, he still is a presidential candidate standing in front of the american people saying middle class americans' taxes will go up. that is not a great talking point for a presidential candidate, and she is a candidate on the rise, she is trying to avoid kind of getting boxed into that. i do think it's interesting that warren is letting bernie kind of be the front man on this health

care debate. she is perfectly comfortable saying, i am with him on this, but for all the plans she's put out, and that seems to be the centerpiece of her campaign, the woman with the plans, she has not put out her plan for health care, and you wonder as this race goes on if she'll try to find a way to thread this needle of being with bernie for medicare for all and trying to carve out that space for herself. >> senator harris was doing t t that. that's a good question, is she saving herself a little wiggle room if she tries to get back to the middle? >> i also think none of the proponents of medicare for all have described to the american people what they think or how they think the sort of politics in washington has changed so drastically that anything like this could actually happen, right? which is one of the things that biden and the others are -- who are critics of this say. i mean, jeff and i were both there in the beginning in 2009

and 2010 when barack obama tried to put together health care, and just the idea of a public option was, you know, radioactive and ultimately had to be dropped in favor of doing this. it is unclear, and i think somewhat incumbent on bernie and warren and others, to try to say a little bit about how they think this could possibly happen. >> it's one of the many great examples of they're fighting in the democratic primary. the winner has to then fight in the general election and that can be two very different americans in the sense that if you look at democratic voters, 69% say health care is extremely important to them as an issue. this is issue number one for democrats. the economy is part of it, but health care being part of the economy. the problem is trying to sell this dramatic change, trust the government, we're going to take away your private health insurance, we'll have a better plan for you. people don't trust politicians of any party to make that case. 67% of americans get their health insurance from private

insurers, 18% medicare, 17.3% medicaid and 9.1% are uninsured. i don't care whether you're democratic or republican. >> and when senator warren said i haven't met anyone who loves their insurance company, that might be true, but they do love the coverage and other plans, so just the fact you don't trust the government. i thought senator -- she was able to say i support bernie's plan, but you're right, she did not defend it on her own, so there is still more to come here, i think, on elizabeth warren. is she trying to find a third way? i don't know. >> we're always looking for lessons, right, so in august -- that was a long time ago, as in last month -- last month several of the candidates distanced themselves from president obama. they took issue with obama policies. that was then, this is now. >> i think i know that the senator says she's for bernie,

well, i'm for barack. >> we all owe a huge debt to president obama. >> i want to give credit first to barack obama for really bringing us this far. >> we owe a debt of gratitude to president barack obama. of course, i also worked for president obama. >> i stand with barack obama all eight years, good, bad and indifferent. >> that's trademark for joe biden. he has tried to velcro himself to the two-term president when he served as vice president. again, he wanted a redo there. >> i talked to a former official last night and he said he doesn't stand up and object to anything in cabinet meetings. he's trying to have this conversation now, but he didn't then. up next, a look at the lower tier candidates and the moments they hope will help them break through to the top tier. i get it all the time.

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several candidates low in the 2020 democratic polls are hoping last night's debate brings them a momentum boost. senator amy klobuchar mixed it up with candidates she believes wants to spend too much and she believes cannot win the heartland. >> you're going to hear a lot of ideas up here.

some will be great. but if you see that some of them seem a little off track, i've got a better way. if you feel stuck in the middle of the extremes in our politics and you are tired of the noise and the nonsense, you've got a home with me. and i know a lot of my friends here from the left, but remember, i'm from the middle of the country. >> new jersey senator cory booker used his experience as new york mayor to get personal about the toll of bad schools and gun violence, and he used some humor when asked if his vegan diet was a key to fighting climate change. >> we closed promoting charter schools but we expanded high-performing charter schools. this has been a crisis for me. it's why i was the first one to come out for gun licensing. >> should more americans, including those in texas and iowa, follow your diet? >> you know, first of all, i want to say no. actually, i want to translate that into spanish. no. >> a breakout debate for beto

o'rourke, too. there is no doubting his passion in the wake of that mass shooting back home in el paso. but there is a lot of doubt among democrats about the wisdom of his signature debate moment. >> are you proposing taking away their guns, and how would this work? >> i am if it's a weapon that was designed to kill people. >> so many other people were shot by that ar-15 in odessa and midland, there weren't enough ambulances to get to them in time. hell, yes, we're going to take your ar-15, your ak-47. >> again, we spoke about this earlier, the two worlds here, the democratic primary versus the country as a whole. applause in the hall. i don't think there is any question that "hell, yes" moment will help him on advocates who have issues with gun control. the vice president saying you hear a lot of them from them. beto o'rourke, it was one. but republicans say them coming to take kroyour guns away.

this administration supports the second amendment. >> it reminded me a little bit on that moment that beto found himself on it is other side of it where castro went after him on border crossing, saying we should decriminalize that. it was a standing moment for castro, but some said, i don't know if we want to be on the other side of the issue. that was a standout moment for beto, but do we want to be the party that, yes, we'll take guns away from americans, even if they're assault weapons. most are uncomfortable with that because it gives americans a good talking point. you want to take guns away from americans? look, they actually will. >> beto o'rourke is running against joe biden, chris coons is an ally of the former vice president, but he's also a guy who can count votes in the senate. he heard beto o'rourke last night, and he's a little worried. >> i frankly think that clip will be played for years at

second amendment rallies with organizations that try to scare people by saying democrats are coming for your guns. i'm a gun owner. my sons and i have gone skeet shooting and hunting, and frankly, i don't think having our presidential candidates like congressman o'rourke did say that we're going to try to take people's guns against their will is a wise either policy or political -- >> did he hurt the party? >> poppy harlow asking at the end, did he hurt the party? he said that's for voters to decide, but i think that's a risky position. >> i think it will be interesting to see how the other candidates try to clarify if they're for mandatory or volunteer gun buybacks. we saw the campaign say he's for buybacks because he saw other buybacks taking place. we'll see the candidates trying

to verify this issue, but it takes away gun reforms that all of them are for, universal background checks, that they want to keep the focus on. so it kind of detracts. >> for o'rourke, this is a shift. just last year he was running for senate against ted cruz. remember, the he wiel paso shoo happened, this is home for him. his argument is i saw what happened back home, and yes, i changed my mind. this is the same candidate just last year. >> i own an ar-15, many others own ar-15s. why shouldn't she have one? >> if you own it, keep it. continue to use it responsibly. we support the second amendment. if you own a gun, keep that gun. nobody wants to take that away from you, at least, i don't want to do that. >> this is a show called "inside politics." to his point, something horrible happened in his community. you can make the case, okay, he changed his mind. people change their mind all the

time. or you can make a case that there was a politician who was running in texas a year ago and now he's trying to run in a more liberal democratic primary. >> the republicans are going to use it. they're not going to look at the nuance, they're not going to look at the fact that someone was for voluntary buybacks. he mocked democrats broadly, sort of pretended to be a person who was in his home alone, defenseless, without his guns because the democrats have taken all their guns away. that's going to be powerful in some of the places senator klobuchar was talking about. >> he did say specifically ar-14s and ar-27s. but the reality is he also needs that. there is no doubt his passion is real, but he also needed to jump start things. long term for the party, and i

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topping our political radar today, some welcome news from american farmers. china says it will exempt some u.s. soybeans, pork and other products from new tariffs. the president will hold off on

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president trump counter-programming, you might say, last night's democratic debate with a speech in baltimore. the president made clear he was thinking about houston. >> they say, buttigieg is two points up in the state of texas against president trump. they said, i don't think so. i've had him up to here. i hit pocahontas way too early. i thought she was gone. she's emerged from the ashes. and now it looks like she could beat sleepy joe. he's falling asleep. he has no idea what the hell he's doing or saying. >> you were there last night in

baltimore. i've read the transcript. it was kind of all over the place. >> it was. it was interesting. he was somewhat low energy compared to what trump normally is. it's a different room, right? he feeds off the rally crowds where there is 25,000 people. this was not that, it was a bunch of people sitting in a little ballroom. but he just wouldn't stop. i mean, he just -- then it's a window into the way his mind works, right, is that there isn't a logical progression of issues. you might be talking about tax cuts one minute and windmills the next and orange light bulbs, and then you're back to tax cuts again. >> to that point, let's listen to a little bit more. again, it is crystal clear -- who can blame him -- the election next year. the president is thinking a lot about the democrats. >> his hispanic american employment has reached the lowest rates in the history of the country.

i wonder if that will be mentioned tonight during the debate. they talk about plaque strawsti. i say, what about the plate? what about the tougher plastic? what about all the other plastic? the wind is blowing, you won't see the debate. charlie, what the hell happened to this debate? he said, darling, the wind is blowing. >> he wants to be part of the show. that's what this is all about. he missed not being out in houston. he injected himself into the conversation as he was leaving the white house for baltimore. he said he respects all the candidates. it didn't necessarily look like he was respecting everyone and was making the joke of buttigieg's height, of course elizabeth warren. we know president trump loves to have an enemy, a combatant here.

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>> the entire debate of the -- you know, the substantive debate shows the divider split. maybe she's trying to get a television job, perhaps the president. we're talking about her, so perhaps it was a success, who knows. another story brewing this week is congresswoman liz cheney, daughter of the vice president, call her a, call rand paul z. the house retreat is in baltimore today. liz cheney says this. >> i enjoyed it. i thought it was an enlightening exchange. you know, here i had been thinking the senate is dull. there are issues that surround

whether or not you put america first as president trump does, or blake america first as rand pauld. there's also a by question there's a great political kind of back to her that more than two years into donald trump's presidency, there is a way to shape his idealogy. a lot of republicans still feel they can help shape what that actually means in george w. bush's portrait when he was with house speaker john baynor. >> favorite art critics here in the studio today.

mr. president, get the national galilee of art to put up your wornl. brianna key lar starts right now. have a great afternoon. i'm brianna keilar live from washington's cnn headquarters. in the 2020 race, the center strikes back, the divide over health care crystallizes, and our rival attempts to vote meander in his speech. beto o'rourke gets a death threat when he said, "hell, yes, he would take guns from americans. will felicity huffman go behind