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our people we help, our family we nurture, our people in the business that we help, then she has an unending legacy. >> very well put. her husband is a long-time friend of mine, and it's such a sad day. she will always be remembered for her strength, her fierce but fairness, and just what a wonderful woman she was. i hold her husband steve up today. thanks so much for joining me. "inside politics" with john king starts right now. thank you, kate. and welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day with us. house democrats are about to hold what some call the first impeachment hearing and the white house is defiant. two aides are not showing up and another adviser is not to answer certain questions. joe biden and the
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electability argument. then he takes 4,000 selfies. he says latino voters are horrible. but he insists he can stretch the map in 2020 and win new mexico. >> we're going to win the state of new mexico and i'll be so surprised if we don't. >> that was a long drive, but all the way in, we had people and they were waving. i didn't see any negative head gesture. right? no, i think we're going to do great here. >> back to politics in a bit, but we begin with new tough words from the vice president, reiterating the u.s., he says, is, quote, locked and loaded has new details about the weekend attacks on the saudi oil field. a source telling cnn that both saudi arabia and the united states both say there is a, quote, very high probability that low-altitude cruise missiles were used in those
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strikes. they say they were assisted by drones on the iraqi border. iran denies responsibility for these attacks. both democrats and republicans on the hill demand a briefing. eagle e eager to see the evidence and eager to know what the president's next move might be. the president insisting he's not clamoring for a military response here. >> i don't want war with anybody. i'm somebody who would like not to have war. we have the strongest military in the world. we've spent more than a trillion and a half dollars in the last short period of time on our military. nobody has even come close. no, i don't want war with anybody, but we're prepared more than anybody. >> i'm not looking to get into new conflict, but sometimes you have to. >> vice president mike pence adding his voice to all of this just a short time ago. >> in the wake of this weekend's unprovoked attack on several oil facilities in saudi arabia, i promise you, we're ready.
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as the president said, we don't want war with anybody. but the united states is prepared. we're locked and loaded. and we're ready to defend our interests and our allies in the region. make no mistake about it. >> tough talk, perhaps, in an effort to get iran to negotiate. but iran's supreme leader flatly rejecting that idea today saying, quote, there will be no talks with the united states at any level, end quote. adding that the entire leadership of iran agrees. with me to share their reporting and their insights today, cnn's mia malika henderson. the vice president went to lengths after the president said we're locked and loaded, step back. that doesn't necessarily mean military options. the vice president coming out
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today and following the president's words again. why? >> mike pence, unlike donald trump, he's not really a freelancer with his words. he's not speaking off the cuff, he's speaking in a measured and studied fashion after a strategy has been all agreed on by everybody else. i think partly what the administration is trying to c convey is some sort of reciprocal action could be possible. the problem is with any country, a response from one action with another kinetic action of any kind could lead tie ro a runawa train of circumstances. they don't want to be projecting a position of weakness, not ahead of the gna meeting, not ahead of israel elections and not to iran. iran has policies at stake. that's why iran is signalling to its own people, we're not going to buckle and come to the table with the united states. there is a lot of politics and posturing going on right now. that's why they want a briefing, because they don't know what's
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going to happen and they want to make sure they understand what they're signing up for and what the rationale is behind it. >> the conversation just a week ago before these attacks were with president trump and president rouhani with the united nations and would there be some dialogue with foreign minister zariff. but now they're saying, forget about it. we're not interested, go away. >> they were talking bilateral talks, which is better than no talks at all. that seems like a toughening. from the hill i hear two questions. one is what intelligence do you have, and the other is, what on earth is your strategy? you can't just go all sean connery in "the untouchables." you need a strategy for this stuff. so they're asking these two questions. it's not just can you show us who did this and do you think iran did this?
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we know they have the slogan "maximum pressure." how does it apply here? some of us are old enough to remember february 2nd, 2017, this administration's first of national security advisers coming out and saying, we're putting iran on notice. we offer again that this is incredible language. it's almost three years later so i'm not going to get all excited about "locked and loaded ". >> you make a point if you judge this, if you're in a foreign capital, and you judge this by traditional language, you get nervous hearing "locked and loaded load loaded." one of the things we adjust to is these guys say whatever they want and they don't follow the traditional rule books. but the president says this and he says, it looks like iran is responsible, but then he seems to hem and haw himself a little bit. >> have you seen evidence that iran is behind the attacks? >> it's looking that way.
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we're having some very strong studies done, but it's certainly looking that way at this moment and we'll let you know. as soon as we find out definitively, we'll let you know, but it does look that way. >> mr. president, when you said you think iran is responsible for the attack, do you think that -- >> i didn't say that. why do you say that? i said i think we know who it was but i didn't say anybody. certainly it would look to most like it was iran, but i did not say it the way you said. >> there's two ways of viewing all of this, right? first is that the president -- if the president is looking to get into a war, iran doesn't want to look like, yeah, he did it, we have to get him back. you have to be sure your intelligence actually points to the person who did it. in this world where we sell arms and military weapons and things like that, you can have an iranian weapon that wasn't necessarily brought from the order of the top government. so they want to make sure they
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know exactly what went into this. everybody is interested in what their political objective is and that goes for trump, it goes for trump's advisers, it goes for the saudis, it goes for the iranians, it goes for the hou i houth houthis, it goes for everyone in the region. the president is trying to leave himself room for whatever may be the case. we don't know if he's concerned about the intelligence or he's concerned about intelligence meaning he may have to go into a combat situation or a battle that he doesn't want to start. but everybody is trying to just kind of hold everything back as much as they can before it all floods over and they have no choice. >> at that point, though, given what is going on in that part of the world, and has been for some time, the civil war, the saudis involved, the yemeni war, israelis in the neighborhood of the united states, the saudis in the neighborhood with a lot of american technology, this is the most watched, if you will, from above region in the world. if drone missiles came from inside iran, there is proof of that. the question is will that proof be made public and what do you do with it?
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the president sometimes sends mixed signals on capitol hill. not only confusion, they want a briefing, they want to see the evidence, but also differing opinions about what to do. >> i think we need to continue with the sanctions. they are biting, they are punishing, they're making a difference. >> the sanctions are hurting their economy but they're not changing the behavior. the target list i would put on the table if there is an ulterior strike, it's the the iranians. nobody is talking about invading tehran, but there is a price. >> if there is an issue of war and peace with the president, a lot of people in the party think he's malleable, if you will. let's try and make the case. >> and lindsey graham is trying to send his messages. as a candidate in terms of not really wanting to get into conflict. he's sort of iran poll
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republican in that way, even though on twitter in his language he often sounds like he's sabre rattling and saying, for instance, they're locked and loaded. but this has been his doctrine. the idea that conflict is bad for his base. and just americans in general from the specter of the wars weaver se we've seen in the past, there really isn't an appetite except for maybe the republican wing of the party to engage in military action. >> as far as military strength with syria, iran is a completely different proposition in terms of scope, hours for different parts of the world. there is a lot of frustration, by the way, in both parties directed toward the saudis. not just because of jim khashoggi's murder a year ago. there are really two sides. i think everybody agrees the
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u.s. has to defend a strategic interest but there is not formal agreement on how much the saudis are worth trying to come to the rescue. >> to secretary of state pompeo, he's on his way to saudi arabia, and the question is when will he go? mike pence says he's going today. >> is it just saudi? he would do a loop around the other american partners, or does he go to europe? then been sundered from european allies. where pompeo goes is the question. >> we'll watch in the days ahead. we come back to a question on capitol hill. a big name witness and a big debate over impeachment.
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here in washington next hour, house judicial democrats will gab in the first impeachment hearings for president trump. keep in mind there are no articles of impeachment. the democrats struggle to agree if what nadler is doing next hour negates impeachment. the star witness today, corwin lewandowski. but the white house last night laid out a big marker and said it would limit what lewandowski
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can say, despite the simple fact lewandowski never worked in the trump white house. we have cnn's manu raju. what do the democrats hope to have happen with this hearing? >> they were some listed in the mueller report who supposedly witnessed obstruction of justice. they have blocked those witnesses going forward saying current and former witnesses are immune. that's why democrats have not been able to get two other white house officials to appear today, rick dearborn and rob porter, because the white house says they are immune from testifying. that is part of a court battle that is already playing out over the mcgahn testimony. but corwin lewandowski is different because he never served in the white house, even
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though the white house is trying to limit what he can say today. so democrats are hoping that lewandowski will reveal what the mueller report said, which showed they tried to limit jeff sessions' scope in the mueller probe and to focus on future campaigns. expect that to be a significant line of questioning for democrats today, but the questions are ultimately what will lewandowski say, how much new will he reveal and how feisty will this after the last time he appeared before democrats. we'll see how he approaches it today as he considers his own political future, including a senate race in new hampshire. john? >> i'm guessing confrontation will be the word of the day when we come back from this one. manu, an interesting day for you on the hill. appreciate the live report. i want to get back to, number
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one, what is this? i'm sorry, i'm a broken record on this one, but what is this? the democrats, so many democrats, want to use the impeachment word, then other democrats say we should gather facts. before we write the last chapter of the book, why don't we gather facts first. dick durbin, former house member, told this to "political." get real. we have to get beyond impeachment is the answer to every problem. it's not realistic. if that's how we're identified in congress as the impeachment congress, people will feel we're ignoring the issues that mean a lot to them as families. meaning democrats had a great year in 2018 when it was about health care and about other bread and butter issues for americans, and he is worried, both from the senate landscape, and he know speaker pelosi is worried about this from the house landscape, if every time something happens they use impeachment to say let's gather evidence and facts, they will lose the race. >> it's very similar to what speaker pelosi has been saying
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about let's not talk impeachment. there are so many other issues that will win us back the white house. but the problem is if you say ligh let's investigate, let's just do the investigations, you are dealing with a white house not cooperating, so everything goes to the court process to find information they might use for actual impeachment if they get that far. it's getting in the court's world, and for the court, the word impeachment does seem to matter and the argument the numbers can make for getting this information and forcing the white house's hand is that much stronger if they do use the word impeachment. so impeachment is bad politically but it's necessary to be able to do the investigations in a procedural fashion, and that's why we have a mess. >> two things can be true at once, in that the democrats are confused about what they're doing here. moderates don't want anything to do with the word impeachment, and the white house is thumbing its nose at what's supposed to
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be a co-equal form of government. they won't even let two witnesses come. and for corwin lewandowski, who was the campaign manager, but he was fired in the middle of the campaign, 2016, but he remained close to the president. he's buone of the people the president calls if he wants business done. mr. lewandowski's conversations with the president and senior advisers of the president is protected from disclosure by a long-settled principles protecting executive branch confidentiality interests, and, as a result, the white house has directed mr. lou down ski newan provide information about such communications beyond the information provided in the portions of the report. he never worked in the white house. he never earned a penny of taxpayer money. does he have purpose? >> i'm not sure they're invoking an actual court case, but court
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actually ruled on this. there was no absolute immunity even against other aides testifying. to your point of politics, obama's first communications director, said this on twitter. the politics of impeachment might be good for us. they might be bad for us. but the strategy of telling the base it is an impeachment process and telling moderates it's not is disastrous. no one's happy. >> no. we've been arguing about this for years. when the house committee was doing its investigation that was gop-led, and the fight was even republicans were saying you can't invoke that over the transition period, you can't invoke that before you get to the white house. we've been relitigating this over and over and over again, and it seems that congress has one very clear argument, but they can't get the white house to actually fall in the line they've set. >> the white house counsel has
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an attorney but he's striving for the democrats to do more. the democrats are trying to keep their base happy by pretending to be open to impeachment. i just don't know what they're doing about this because they're not clear about it. corwin lewandowski might run for senate in new hampshire. a lot of people wish he wouldn't, but he said this. excited to remind the american people today there was no collusion, no obstruction. there were lots of angry democrats who tried to take down a duly elected president. tune in. #senate2020. he's using this as a campaign promotion. >> i'm going to dump on the president, he says. that's never going to happen. he will relish the conversations with democrats. the democratic party will remain
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split by looking like they're proceeding with impeachment. whether they proceed or don't proceed, impeachment only actually works as an actual tool if either both parties want to impeach senate x or they can make it happen on their own. we all know that number doesn't exist now and that's why -- that's not just modern democrats, nancy pelosi only in today's standards is a moderate democrat. she doesn't see a win at the end of this strategy. >> you wonder why people don't like congress, don't like washington. today is a good textbook example of that. up next, elizabeth warren takes on her critics and has a big message for democratic voters. don't pick the same candidate. 300 miles an hour, that's where i feel normal. having an annuity tells me my retirement is protected. learn more at retire your risk dot org. hour 36 in the stakeout. ♪ limu emu & doug
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there on stage. she's at an event today in new york. she also staged a big event in the city last night. the reason was her ideas to fight ideas in government. but her biggest thing was her two ideas to winning the 2020 democratic nomination. one, joe biden. two, the liberal war is too objective to win an election. >> there is a lot at stake in this election. and i know people are scared.
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but we can't choose a candidate we don't believe in just because we're too scared to do anything else. and democrats can't win if we're scared and looking backward. i am not afraid. and you can't be afraid, either. >> cnn's mj lee live for us at that event in new york. mj, what was she trying to do in that speech? you don't have to be a rocket scientist, that was going after joe biden. >> reporter: that's right, and she talked about donald trump being corruption in the flesh, and she explained a couple times why she chose the location of washington square park to deliver this big speech. around the corner from that park is a former factory, the site of
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a fire that led to dozens of workers dying in that fire, and she said that is the result of people defying her presidential campaign. elizabeth warren made a forceful and a sharp pitch about her general election argument, essentially saying to voters that she might be a risky candidate, but they really should vote for her. >> day one of my administration, i love the thought of what a president can do all by herself. the time for holding back is over. i know what some of you are thinking. i do. whoa! too much. too big, too hard.
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i know this change is possible because america has made big structural change before. >> reporter: obviously mrs. warren making the argument, saying to voters, don't go with what you think is a faith choice, and really saying to voters, vote with your heart, not your head, and the four words we heard her say earlier, i am not afraid. those are words we have been hearing increasingly from elizabeth warren. >> mj, thank you for your reporting from loud circumstances there. she has been the candidate of the summer. she's said build in new hampshire, build in other states, do as well as you can in the debate. almost keep a low profile while you build up like this.
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that speech, don't pick a candidate we don't believe in, don't pick a candidate who looks backwards, and directly addressing, am i proposing too much? is this too big, is this too bold? that strikes me as a campaign that understands as it tries to get to the next phase, it needs to deal with this. >> this isn't the elizabeth warren i think people would show up at the last debate with joe biden. at the previous debate with delaney on stage, she essentially said the same things, what's the point of running for presidency if you're not going to do big things and fight for big things. we'll see what happens. does this open a new phase where she takes it directly to biden when he's standing next to her on stage. >> every candidate now is trying to do the math of the race, right? normally people think bernie sanders is the other progressive, elizabeth warren can get that. bernie isn't going anywhere. no matter how well he does, he isn't going anywhere for a
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while. >> you criticize my rivals until i'm ready to criticize the rivals and then i will own the criticism of the rival. but how does it play in wisconsin, michigan, florida and maybe pennsylvania. >> and south carolina, right? that's one of the issues she's had. she can't get a big pot of voters and that's the big pot that biden has been sitting on. >> it's frustrating for the other candidates in that they look at joe biden, elizabeth warren and bernie sanders, saying all of them are older. pete buttigieg says that's not what we need. >> every time we've won, it's someone with a new set of ideas. every time we've tried to play it safe that we've put forward the person with maybe the most familiar face but also the most time in washington, the most kind of established figure, every single time we've done
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that, going back to hubert humphrey, we've come up short. >> that's mostly about biden in the sense that the traditional establishment the same. but the generational argument is about everybody above him in the polls. the question is -- you guys all laugh at me -- there's about 138 days before people start voting in iowa. you can see the candidates are getting sharper and more aggressive. 138 days may seem like a lot of time. the holidays are going to go like that. >> i think that's right, and if you're buttigieg, you're trying to cut in in south carolina there, he's trying to cut in to basically joe biden's lead. if joe biden collapses, he feels like he can get that moderate lane. he's 37 years old, mayor of a small town. i think some people do like the idea of having people with some experience. >> they talk about a fresh face, but at the moment the democratic race is not exactly. we'll see. up next, the other side of the race. the presidential campaign in blue territory says he can win
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the president says he's going to recolor this map again. remember back in 2017, he did shatter the so-called blue wall. now in 2020, he says he's going to turn new mexico from blue to red. you see hillary clinton won the state by little more than eight points in 2016. you have to go back to 2004. that's the last time a republican carried new mexico for president and george w. bush did it just barely. if you come closer in time, barack obama did it big. obama wins it by 10 points over mitt romney. in 2016, ilt's an eight-point race here. and if you look nationally, the president's numbers, new mexico has the highest percentage of latino voters in the country. these are national numbers, but
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67% of hispanic voters disapprove of president trump. so you would look at new mexico and say, really? that's a steep hill. the president says, watch me. >> how do i lose new mexico? explain that one. how do we lose that one? and yet for whatever reason, it's been quite a while since a republican won this state, but we're going to win this state. i think we're going to win this state easy. no, i think we're going to do great here. we're here for a number of reasons, but we're here because we really think we're going to turn this state and make it a republican state. >> doable? if you look at the numbers, you say, no way. but, of course, people look to the numbers in 2016, pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan and say huh-uh. and he did. >> the president didn't do as well with latinos as he thought he would. he did as well as mitt romney
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did, about as well as john mccain did. you have the party look at latinos and say -- one of the things they used to say is latinos are republicans, they just don't know it yet. there are issues where he can attract latinos in terms of abortion, they're social conservatives there, so we'll see. latinos are a gross stock. if you go back to 2016, 14 million eligible latino voters stayed home. 12 million actually came to the polls so they have a low sort of turnout rate, but there is obviously real potential there for either party, and neither party has really figured it out. democrats were banking on it. it didn't happen in 2016. >> president trump has a problem with latino voters, without a doubt. but new mexico is one of those states. it used to be a swing state, they lost the governorship in 2018. the entire governmental association is democratic. he has his own issues but he's
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walking into a democratic headwind. >> here's what happened. the trump campaign is really good at data and rallies and using that data to inform kind of future waves of support, untapped potential. in a rally in el paso in february, when they cross-checked the attendee data, they saw this really large unexpected cluster of people from new mexico drive across the border to texas, and they thought, what's going on here? we really didn't try last time around. should we try? they figured, it's not that expensive to try. even though the population of new mexico is one out of two are hispanic or latino residents, these are not immigrants. these are third and fourth generation voters, so immigration is not a top issue to the same extent. they see room for it. will trump win in new mexico?
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probably not. if trump wins in new mexico, will he win the election? probably. when they look at places like texas, which is similar to eastern new mexico in terms of democrats who may be more conservative, when they look at places like texas and georgia and how to flip those states with demographic numbers that should be cresting their way, those flips depend on appealing tie certain kind of democrat who is not necessarily a california democrat, a massachusetts democrat. that's twhat new mexico holds. >> you get all the email addresses of people out there, you can at least test. in six months they may say, never you're talking about a campaign in that surprised some states in a different part of the country, it doesn't mean that just because a state turns blue, doesn't mean that they're completely predictable just
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based on what the numbers show. >> it's also a population they think is uniquely reat the present time -- uniquely receptive to the demographics. for people whose parents and grandparents fled regimes all over america to come to the united states, fleeing socialism, might be a good audience for that. >> that's a good point. as we go to break, we want to note the passing of a true journalist. cokie roberts passed at the age of 75. she worked in tv and publishing in a remarkable 40-year and all journalists. george w. bush also calling her
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. the polls in israel closes in a little over two hours. for the second time in five
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morks i s months, israelis are voting in elections. a lot of finger pointing. accusation s on this final day. what do we know? >> reporter: there are very much accusations on this final day of election fraud, election stealing, not just from benjamin netanyahu's party but from other parties as well. they have opened up investigations into 69 different incidents they will look into as of this point. crucially this remains a race that is too close to call, and that's what election polls have predicted over the course of the last three months. there is no claim of victory we're seeing from either one of these parties. everybody is waiting these last two hours of voting, and then they'll look at the election polls which will show where they will be, but they want to see what the actual results are as they start coming in. at this stage of the game, this late hour, both netanyahu and his chief of staff benny gantz
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are playing the same strategy, warning voters they're getting behind and if they don't vote, they'll lose this election. they try to put the fear of losing into voters, and that's the strategy being employed by not just the bigger parties, but smaller parties as well at this stage fortunaof the game. that can't really be, because apparently voting is up. the question is where is it up, and that may go a long way in determining who comes out ahead after the polls close and after we begin to see those results, john. >> a fascinating few hours, perhaps a fascinating few days ahead. oren liebermann, appreciate it so much. back here in washington r, elaine chow under investigation on whether she's using her office to benefit her family. she's been under scrutiny for ties to an international
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shipping company run by a relative. the transportation department not responding to cnn's request for a comment. sto democratic presidential candidate michael bennet on his moderate health care stance in iowa. he said the other candidates are full of broken promises. >> a health plan that starts by kicking people off their coverage makes no sense. we all know as president, i'll get everyone covered with a public option or keeping the health plans they already have. >> the republican presidential hopeful mark sanford saying he'll look at all options after states call off gop primaries. he was choesen as governor and elected to congress. his party supporters are afraid of what might happen.
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i'm brianna keilar live from cnn's headquarters. corwin lewandowski is getting ready to testify before the house judiciary committee. this is the committee's first impeachment hearing since formally launching an inquiry into the president. most of the questions here are expected to revolve around an incident detailed in the mueller report in which lewandowski recalls a time when trump a instructed him to tell former attorney general jeff sessions to inform him of an investigation. corwin lewandowski was told not to answer any questions about that exchange, but since lewandowski never worked for the

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