chris, i find it terribly exciting that those things are real. >> look how effusive your emotion is. this is crazy. you're blowing my mind here. >> you don't think it's -- >> i do. i'm right there with you. everybody shows it in different ways. i'm just sitting here basking in your light, brother. anderson, have a good night. >> i am chris cuomo. welcome to "primetime." we have two big voices making a lot of waves as they take on two of america's biggest and most intractable problems, racism and gun violence. chelsea handler is here and so is broeto o'rourke. so what do you say? let's get after it. president trump seems to have a new scapegoat for his own inaction on guns guess who? >> hell, yes, we're going to

take your a.r.-15, your a.k.-47. we're not going to allow it to be used against fellow americans anymore. >> crowd loved it at the debate, but now the president is seizing on that moment from beto o'rourke, arguing it has thrown a torpedo in his gun reform talks. quote, dummy beto made it much harder to make a deal, convinced many that dems just want to take your guns away. will continue forward. o'rourke argues the only thing stopping us from ending this epidemic is the president and his, quote, cowardice. he is here exclusively to make the case. always a pleasure. >> thank you, chris, for having me on. >> let's state the proposition. are you, in fact, in favor of gun confiscation? >> yes, when it comes to a.r.-15s and a.k.-47s, weapons designed for use on a military

battlefield, the high-impact, high-velocity round fired from those weapons when it hits your body expends all of kinetic energy destroying everything inside. i've met those who survived and those who lost a family member. that belongs on the battlefield and now in this country. when it comes to those weapons, the answer is yes. when it comes to firearms used for hunting and self-defense, the answer is no. i don't want you or anyone else to get into the fear mongering that some have fallen prey to saying the government is going to come and take all of your guns. what we are talking about exclusi exclusie exclusively is weapons of war that should remain on the battlefield. >> i hear you. we'll talk law first and poll then politics. y

i don't think you can do it legally. the heller case makes it pretty clear there's an individual right to own. i don't think we've ever seen the u.s. government do a taking of private property like you're suggesting. i'm not fear mongering, i'm repeating what you're saying. >> so you listen to a justice like antonin scalia, not the most liberal justice who served on the supreme court, and even he found that there is no absolute guarantee under the second amendment and that the government does have a power to regulate those kinds of weapons that are extraordinarily unusual or deadly. and an a.r.-15 or an a.k.-47 like the one used in el paso and i'm grateful that you came to el paso and came and saw and met some of those victims yourself. in under three minutes, 22 people were killed and dozens more grievously injured. that's what that a.k.-47 was designed to do.

>> nobody will argue with the you unique capabilities of this weapons. what has been experienced in this country is horrible. you and i stood next to each other at one. i have been to dozens so i get you on that. just to be clear on the law -- i'll get with you on the politics but on the law he said, yes, you can have regulations but remember what they struck down. couldn't even tell people how to store their weapons disassembled and he says weapons in common usage get the protection of an individual right. the a.r.-15, for good, bad or indifferent is the most commonly owned in the country. >> yeah. chris, i'm willing to fight that one all the way to the end because it is not common. it is unusual. and no one in this country, including owners of a.r.-15s and a.k. 47s think that what is happening right now is okay. they also have kids who are in school, who are afraid that it's not a matter of if but when someone's going to walk into

their school with a weapon designed for war and take their lives. we cannot continue to live like this. those young people, the kids especially, aren't standing for it. you listen to march for our lives, they as well are talking about a mandatory buyback, as well as licensing and registration. you've probably seen this, a majority of americans, that's not democrats, that's democrats, republicans, independents, our fellow americans want to see this happen. and through the power -- >> not confiscation -- >> -- by their representatives in congress, i'll sign that into law. >> not confiscation. you want to fight it, fight it. you have a more conservative court now than when scalia led the law on heller. you were in congress. you didn't have this position. in the senate race you didn't have this position. you got an f from the nra but

you weren't calling for con offici physic -- confiscation. are you doing this to make a name for yourself and say beto is the pafarthest left on this issue? >> a lot of people said that's a assault weapons ban. people said it's not convenient but it's not politically smart to do. but i also know texas is a responsible gun-owning state. after what i witnessed in el paso, what we saw in odessa, and in southern springs, three mass shootings with weapons of war in just one state. i can no escape the conclusion if this gun not right to sell, it's also not right to own. having 15 million of them out there, each and every one of them a potential instrum ent of terror. you saw it in el paso, folks are

terrorized. they walk around with a target on their back. that's how they feel, knowing that people are better armed than they than some are on the battlefieldin wars we're fighting. >> people are scared. they want to change. just to be clear, an assault weapons ban, which democrats may be meeting about sometime soon is different than confiscating weapons out there already. it certainly sent shock waves through. i want to ask you this, people want more protection, but what you said plays right to the heart of fear of people who don't want to give on any of this, beto. they're working a deal hard. i've been talking to democrats involved with it. they felt they were getting somewhere. they don't feel that you helped because you played into the fear of a slippery slope. universal background checks, red flag laws, fixing nicks, making it more info share, doing real

things. they may not be able to get it done if people are worried about confiscation. >> listen, if they had made some progress already, i might buy that argument, but many of those democrats are complicit in what we see right now. i mean, the republicans are the most obstinate and the most obstructionist and the most in the pockets of the nra, but it's been a bipartisan problem that the centers for disease control couldn't even study gun violence, that here we are in 2019 and we still don't have universal background checks or red flag laws or we allowed the weapons ban to expire, even though this did so much good. so allowing the nra set the terms of the debate no longer works for me or for our country. listen to march of our lives or moms of america.

i have people say to me i would gladly give it up. i have kids and grand kids in school more than i am worried about holding on to this weapon of war. that urgency will be reflected when i'm in the white house. >> last question. if you were to get into power, whatever the office, and someone said i'll give you universal background checks and even give you the private transfers and we'll do red flag law and we'll fix nicks and talk about a neck step about what we won't allow to be sold anymore but we won't do confiscation, would you take the deal? >> i'll always move forward. so yes. universal background checks will save lives but if there's harm in selling them, there's harm in the fact that 1 million of them exist out there and any one of them at any time could be turned

against us or more importantly and this is what i truly fear, against our kids. and if we're going to acknowledge that, we also have to acknowledge we have to do something about it, not politically convenient and easy. i understand the point that you're making but also necessary if we're going to save the lives of our fellow americans. that's what i'm most focused on. >> everybody knows the problem. it's all just a search for a solution. beto o'rourke, thank you for making your case on our program. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> that big intel community whistleblower complaint, in information for it right after this break. walking a dog can add thousands of steps to your day.

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maguire, has refused to hand over the complaint after a subpoena from the house intel committee chair adam schiff. now we're learning what that complaint may be about. this comes from "the washington post." it includes communication between the president and a foreign leader. the sourcing is two former u.s. officials familiar with the matter, that this was about a phone call that the president had with a foreign leader -- i'm going through it as i tell you about it just to be careful about it. and the process is as we understood it. somebody who knew about this phone call was concerned enough about the president making what they term a promise that was regarded as so troubling that it prompted an official in the u.s. intelligence community to file a formal whistleblower complaint with the inspector general for

the intelligence community. so here's where it gets sticky. if the i.g. -- here's the law since watergate. if the inspector general finds something to reach a certain level of what they call urgent concern, they are supposed to turn it over to congressional oversight committees. house i tentel would be the logl place for something intelligence related, especially in light of the tacit agreement after watergate whereby congress agreed with the intelligence community to handle confidential national security security information in a certain way, hence what you got with the gang of eight, only certain leaders will get certain sensitivities. let's assume it's true with who? that's not in here. let's bring in phil mudd. they try to track whom he had spoken with. this complaint was filed with atkinson's office, that's the

inspector general, august 12th. in the preceding weeks they have him talking -- they have him on a call with vladimir putin on july 3/1 july3 31st, talking with at let two letter with kim jong un, maybe meeting with the leader of pakistan, netherlands and amir of qatar. somebody says they heard something as an intel official that troubled them enough to lodge a formal complaint to the i.g. how unusual? >> boy, i'm about ready to blow a gasket. that is extremely unusual and ilesseni le listened to presidential phone calls under george w. bush in 2001. can you explain to me, a, why it's the u.s. intelligence

community's responsibility to listen to the president of the united states speaking to a foreign leader and, b, why did the u.s. intelligence community under the rules provided by the democrats in congress are responsible to report to the congress what the president of the united states says. last i checked, chris, when i served, we were responsible for chasing the russians, the chinese, the iranians and terrorists we're not responsible for reporting to the congress what the president says. he can say what he wants, chris. >> so you don't like that somebody snitched on the president. >> correct. the question if you have a whistleblower issue in the intelligence community might be is somebody misusing funds. for example, is somebody seeing something about covert action overseas, cia operations overseas that's inappropriate. for example, when i was in the business, we ran black sites, secret facilities. about somebody see something that was not only unethical and immoral -- >> in-house policing? >> correct.

not what did the president say? >> hold on a second. what if he did say something to a foreign leader that sounded like a promise that went over the line enough that somebody of good conscience said he's not supposed to say things like this. >> what the heck is over the line? the president can say what he wants to putin, he can say what he wants to kim jong un. you can say i'm going to meet you in the deet militamilitariz. the president can say what he wants. it's not the responsibility of the intel guys to go police the president and go snitch on him to the congress. ridiculous. and now i understand. i didn't two hours ago. now i understand why a former decorated seal maguire, the head of the intel committee was reluctant. why does he have to go report on what the president says in. >> well, if they have an agreement, a rule structure in place that if a complaint reaches an urgent concern level to the inspector general that

congress gets to see it, the obvious mechanism here is checks and balances. >> i don't agree with that. >> somebody's got to check power, right? >> i don't agree with that. i think inspectors general, by the cia and fbi are excellent, we despise them because they're so tough. i want to ask why is it the responsibility of the intelligence community guys got a complaint of what the president said and we the intel guys have to report to congress on what's going on in the white house. they report on north korea and iran, not if a president wants to make a promise to a foreign leader. i am ticked off. this is completely inappropriate. the congress should not be asking the intel guys to go snitch on the president. no. >> what is the mechanism for policing the white house? >> quit. can you talk to the media if you want, write a book if you want. if you don't like what the president does, whether you're secretary of defense, national

security adviser, rex tillerson, you go quit. you don't say have i a secret avenue to the congress that in my view is inappropriate to explain why the intel guys have to collect intelligence on the president. exactly, by the way, exactly what the president alleges happened during the campaign. the intel guys are collecting on me, a politician. >> that's not what the intel guys do. >> unless they have reasonable suspicion. >> suspicion of what, chris? >> hold on. remember when trump was talking to med vvedev and remember the right was reasonably worried, why is he saying something like that? what was he planning? what was he thinking? there was a need for checks and balances, oversight. they wanted to dig. was that wrong? >> there's a difference between saying does the congress have the right to ask the white house questions and have a right to critique the white house on

political issues and engagements with foreign leaders. there's a difference between that and the intelligence oversight committee saying you have a responsibility to report to us, you the intel guys, when you think -- you think the president does something inappropriate that's not illegal. the president can make promises overseas. that's not illegal. it might be inappropriate. good look to adam schiff and others to go hold the white house for account not for the intel guys to report on the white house. >> but if they don't give readouts of the calls, how would anyone know? >> why would they give readouts on the calls? the president has a right to talk to foreign leaders. that's different than saving did he do something that broke the law? did he do something that violated regulations on how you con district intelligence activities? if the president kants to tewan

kim jong un i promise you this and it not illegal, i have no problem with that. >> i guess the open question is what did he say, why did it concern the person enough to lodge a complaint and does it go to what your threshold is, is it a violation of the law? >> you hit the nail on the head. the question is whether the individual heard something he was so offended by he felt he needed to report or did he hear something he thought reached the threshold of illegal. why do the intel guys have to report that? why doesn't he report that through another channel? >> phil, i appreciate the analysis. >> boy, i need to take a deep breath. >> it would be nice. i thought you were going to pass out. it would be interesting to watch. >> you all know chelsea handler. she does not mind testing the edge, even if it makes people uncomfortable. in fact, she's hoping to do just that with her brand new project and particularly hopes the president will watch. the comedian, activist, new documentary maker here next. did have

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. white privilege. you've become familiar with the phrase. you hear it on the show a lot. it's somewhat of a cultural flash point, certainly during the trump era, debates about race, class, politics, culture. they'reintensifying. it's in thattar that chelsea handler comes to the show tonighthe tonig tonight. here's a taste. >> i'm really eager to have a conversation about what it is i can know more about and to

illuminate to people who are not of color what it means to be of color in this country. >> feel free to edit this out because i'm like really embarrassed to be here with you because this is just another example of white privilege, using your white privilege and what are you going to do with it other than come into this space and take? >> chelsea handler, thank you for coming on the show. not an easy subject and not an easy position for you, in the room with the college kid and the places you found yourself in. what surprised you most? >> the inability for white people to admit to white privilege. i read a line that said equality to those who have had it feels like a loss. if you admit you're a beneficiary of white privilege,

that means to people i have to start sacrifices and give something up. that stuck with me. and i thought what would i be able to give up? would i give away my house and my money and give away everything in the name of equality. it made me think of what i've done with my career that were not that thoughtful, just cashed check. how did i get where i am? what is responsible for that? does my color of skin have to play a part and it absolutely does. i thought white privilege was something over there for rich families, legacy families that went to harvard and yale, the rockefellers and that type of thing. i didn't think it applied to me because my father was a used car dealer. it does apply to me. >> very poignant story in the documentary about your own life and your boyfriend. he got mixed up with drugs, you would be stopped by police.

you would have the drugs, he would take the collar. >> he got arrested three times. i was let go by the police all three times. we were together. and then through that he was put in the system and then he was not able to get out of it. yes, he made poor choices -- >> he's african-american? >> yes. he made poor choices but they were looking for him to make a mistake and they were looking to let me off the hook for making a mistake. at the time i was 16, i didn't care, i didn't think about that. i thought whatever, this sucks, but i didn't have the consciousness to actually think about what that meant. and his whole life was ruined and derailed and, yes, he's in the documentary and i go and meet with him and we talk about his life and he's obviously out of jail now and doing much better. a lot of us take our lives for granted. you don't have anything if you

grow up and you're not white privileged. >> good news for you that it had us going for like 30 minutes and we're bathed in these issues all the time pu b, but if you had a people -- you could have somebody who lives in the ozarks right now who has a completely different existence. do you believe that african-americans are systematically treated unequally? >> yes. >> 85, 90% would say yes. when you turn it, though, and say do you realize you are to blame for problems that they have, that's when you got that from a lot of people. it is hard to ask people to accept blame. two reasons. one, people don't like it. second of all is not all have same experience. some are like i had to scratch and claw to get where i am. like you were saying, i'm not a rockefeller. how do you deal with those? >> yes, people have tough lives. it not that everyone who is

white gets a unicorn in their driveway and they go off to this great life. if a white person and black person are in a grocery store and a white person stole something, chances are they are gig going to go after the black person. this is about recognizing that so many people are being discriminated against in so many levels. while anybody is being discriminated against, somebody is winning over that, benefiting from that. obviously i don't have solutions for how to fix racism but i want to be talking about it. i think white people can afford to be a little bit uncomfortable with their conversations and get real about treating people equally. we owe people that honesty and we owe people to show up tough

conversationssayi conversations. saying i don't want to get involved or show up for different difficult conversations, let's be honest. at least we can work together to start to fix it. >> the timing is very interesting. trump is delivers this message 180 degrees from where you are. he's saying they want to punish you for being white, that diversity to the radical left means we're going to redistribute money and opportunity on the basis of color and situation and white people have to lose in that. he's doing that at the same time that you're asking white people own that you're a part of this problem and how to deal with it. >> but he's a perfect example of white privilege. let's keep other people down so can i keep filling my own pockets. at a certain point if you really want equality, you have to be okay with other people succeeding. that's what it's all about. and he and the republican party

at this point are all about no one succeeding except for them. that's all they care about is money. we have children going into schools who are unsafe. there are -- i mean, the nra is running the republican party. it like a pinnacle of white privilege is him. i don't talk about him too much in the documentary because it's nawaz shar nauseating. >> but the message and timing is going to end up putting you as a point of contrast as to what's going on in the administration. >> yes, but that's what happens in times like these. obviously there are huge cross currents happening. we have an administration trying to roll back women's rights and a movement like the women's march. we have the legalization of cannabis throughout the country, which your brother promised to legalize cannabis this year, what's the problem, where is it? >> he's got to legislatlegislat. >> do you remember me promising to get rid of cannabis?

>> me? >> me? >> it's your brother. >> tell your sister to talk to my brother about his -- >> sissy, talk to his brother andrew, right. >> things are complicated. >> it is hard. >> i'll take cannabis. you talk to police chiefs around the state, they're saying we're getting suffocated by these cases. help us pun esh and prish and ps where the punitive value is real, not small bags and small dealers. however, with what you're tackling here is no easy answer. it no the about legalizing something that's now illegal. it not about streamlining a system in a way that will make it more equitable right now. and on top of it, we haven't figured out how to answer the question you're asking, which is you need to look at your role in the situation. you got a lot of pushback in the

documentary. confusion. you know, i don't know about it. it's either ignorance or veiled ignorance or people being uncomfortable being made to blame for something they don't see themselves as to blame for. sticky business. >> very sticky business. i would agree with that. i think we owe it to our entire country to have a little bit more compassion and a little bit more empathy for everything we've done as a country. it doesn't matter if i was here during the time or not or if my ancestors were responsible. it matters that it happened and we owe all of the entire african-american community, we owe our voices to. so anybody who is not on board with that, then you really need to think about what your priorities are. >> one of the african-american in the documentary summed it up very well. she said you guys need to talk to why ares about this to be

comfortable about finding a solution. it not about saying you're to blame, it's for white people and white people who have advantage how to make things fair, coming from a positive place and not about blaming and negativity. i think she had it right. >> i think white privilege is a white person's problem and it up to us to find solutions to that problem. >> for no other reason that if you have white people in most of the power positions so if there's going to be change -- >> thank you. >> i always like to have my brother attacked on the show. >> cannabis, new york money. >> that is the documentary for you to watch. hello, privilege, it's me chelsea. when i come back, i have to call my brother. then the new numbers from the wizard of odds next. of doing great work.e way

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>> biden is actually about the same. the big difference here is warren's only at 16 and she's actually down in this poll compared to their poll a month ago and sanders is up in second place at 18%. the rest of these, whatever. but it's an interesting number, which i think gives you an idea that at this point what we can really say about the democratic race is joe biden steady at about 32% and these two are basically fighting on for second place. >> so it's a big three. there's an very interesting and i would suggest confused picture here. first we have all of the main people are beating hill by at least six except for harris. i don't know why she's still included. >> they pulled her. >> you show us why that's relevant over time. >> i looked at where all incumbents with polling since 1979 carter, reagan, bush, clinton, obama. all of them were losing by five points or whippic winning. donald trump is polling worse

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another 32 are under way. he's withdrawing from the paris accord, provoking rules protecting water from water pollution, considering oil and gas drilling in national parks, things that affect your so he sees enemies in states, including california, that have been realizing the obvious need for efficiency and responsible car building. 13 states plus d.c. have adopted california's rules. that's a lot of cars. the irony is california started setting its own standards to combat pollution under the leadership of governor ronald reagan. >> during the administration of ronald reagan, you felt proud to be an american. i evolved just like ronald reagan evolved. >> not that proud, i guess. and not that evolved, unless you believe the more inefficient a car is, the better. so here are the facts.

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you've made your decision, then in. >> not remotely because comes from australia as everyone knows, and australian is entirely peopled with criminals. and criminals are used to having people not trust them as you are not trusted by me. so i can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. >> truly you have a dizzying intellect. >> wait till i get going. >> little did he know that westly had been building up a resistance to iacain powder for the past five years. did you hear they may remake "the princess bride." inconceivable. the ceo of sony pictures told variety that some, quote, very famous people want to remake the classic. it makes me wonder if he has been dipping into the iocain powder himself, knocked senseless by the fire pits. i mean has he studied his agripa, which i have. let's be clear.

lots of movies get remade. and let's be clear, they often suck and sully the original. can we take that chance with something a generation loves so much, it was committed to memory? to paraphrase westly as carrie el wes did himself, there is a shortage of perfect movies in this world. it would be a pity to destroy this one. this prospect makes as much sense as getting involved in a land war in asia. and just in case this idea is only mostly dead, may i remind that the only overwhelming power in this world is true love, and people truly love this movie in its original form. and if it goes forward, join me in this pledge. my name is chris cuomo. you remake my movie, prepare to die. well, not die, but make me very salty. let's bring in d. lemon, who dares not mock my pain. >> you're going to be mad at me. i've never really seen it.

>> what? just when i thought you couldn't disappoint me any more. >> i've seen clipped off it, but, nah, it's not my thind. i prefer "blazing saddles" or history of the world. i've never been -- look, i just saw robo cop for the first time i think yesterday, so you're asking the wrong person. but i've never seen -- i shouldn't be so absolute. there are very few remakes that live up to the original. >> i have to be honest. i stopped listening to you. >> that's okay. >> you have to watch the movie. >> i'll watch it. >> has tim seen it? >> i don't know. you'll have to ask him. you have his number. call him up. text him. >> you have to watch the movie. you will find it hilarious. >> okay. i'll watch it. >> and endearing. >> i asked him, i said what is chris talking about at the end of the show. they said, he's talking about "the princess bride." i'm like, is that a disney and then, yeah, sorry. >> i don't know what to say. that doesn't happen very often. >> i told you i hav