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criminal investigation into the chain of e-cigarette suppliers. thank you very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room. you can follow me on twitter and instagram @wolfblitzer and tweet the show at cnnsitroom. erin burnett "out front" starts now. >> "out front" next, breaking news. the intelligence communities inspector general revealed the damning whistle-blower complaint was about multiple akctions tha involve more than just a call for the president and what's the white house response tonight? >> a 2020 democrat zeroing in on a new target, elizabeth warren and will the new attack stop her surge? and they're meeting to discuss a plan of action as tehran threatens all-out war. let's go "out front." good evening. i'm erin burnett. trump's white house silencing a whistle-blower, a whistle-blower with an urgent and credible
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report about president trump. today sources tell us that the independent inspector general for the intelligence community would not tell lawmakers details about the complaint when he met with them behind closed doors today and we are told tonight that the white house and the justice department were involved in that decision and the mystery of this complaint deepens tonight. we are learning that this, quote, credible and urgent complaint involves multiple actions between the president and a foreign leader. communications that involve president trump making a promise of some sort. that specific is according to "the washington post," so what was that promise and who did trump make it to? frankly, these are questions that must be answered and yet at this hour trump's people are hiding them from congress which by law says it has the right to see the complaint. >> this shows how someone is trying to manipulate the system to keep information about an urgent matter from the congress.
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>> someone trying to manipulate the system, a system designed to protect the country and allow congress which has oversight to see whistle blower complaints if deemed credible and urgent and this was. >> and team trump is hiding this information and pamela brown is out front in washington and what is the trump administration's explanation for keeping the complaint under wraps? >> erin, so much of this is shrouded in secrecy and we have learned that the white house and doj have revised the nation's top intelligence agency that this whistle-blower complaint involving president trump isn't protected under laws governing whistle blowers and they shouldn't turn over the complaint to congress. that view is directly at odds with what the dni ig has said and what he told congress today. officials in the white house and doj have also raised privilege concerns, we are told, because this does involve the communication between the president and the foreign leader
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according to a source. in the past the white house has blocked information from being turned over to congress involving foreign leader conversations with putin and trump, for example, but what makes this different is this involves a whistle-blower complaint to dni protect under the law so this really is unprecedented. president trump for his part, he has tweeted that he would never say anything inappropriate to a foreign leader and we know from officials that the president is often informal and spontaneous in his calls in conversations with foreign leaders. in fact, those calls and conversations are very much an extension of his free-wheeling presidency. i did speak to one administration official, erin, who said basically sometimes in these calls with foreign leaders the other leader will make an outlandish request such as asking the president to make an indictment and the president will respond and we'll have my people look into it when he doesn't really mean it. when we don't really know rid n right now is about this conversation and what country,
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dni still hasn't complied with the request yet to turn over information on this complaint though the dni isn't expected to testify next week. we should also note that the white house has declined to comment. erin? >> thank you very much, pamela. a lot of new information there. out front now, a member of the house intelligence community who is inside that briefing from then spector general today. democratic congressman congressman krishnamoorthi. >> thank you, erin. you were inside the room with the inspector general who was prevented by sharing details of the report with you, but was supposed to talk about it in the process, so what can you tell us about what happened? >> well, first of all, he came in of his own volition. it was voluntary which i think was the proper thing to do, although it obviously is something that he is not compelled to do, and because of the way his demeanor he was very
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credible. basically, this is unprecedented where an inspector general of the intelligence community receives a whistle-blower complaint, finds it to be credible and urgent and then turns it over to the director of national intelligence and that person doesn't do it to the house intelligence and the senate intelligence committees and that's unprecedented and disturbing. >> you found his demeanor to be very credible, thoughtful. >> yes. >> the real deal. >> absolutely. >> we understand, congressman, that the -- that the intelligence inspector general today suggested that the whistle-blower had concerns about multiple actions, didn't say specifically whether all of them involved the president or some of them or what. did you get a sense of what multiple means? how much of this was about trump? were you able to get any sense of that from him today? >> no. he wasn't willing to answer any questions with regard to the substance of the complaint and
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you know, right now we're wondering why this complaint is not being turned over to us. mr. maguire has said a couple of things that are concerning. >> he, of course, is the acting chief of the dni. >> yes. mr. maguire, the chief of the dni has said that the individual about who the complainant made the complaint is outside of the intelligence community and that is somehow invoking some kind of privilege and it shields any wrongdoing and second, this is something that it doesn't matter whether it's outside of the intelligence community as long as it relates to the intelligence community and that is the subject matter that we should be aware of. >> so, and obviously, to be clear, the president can technically be outside of the intelligence community and his ability to have classified information that he wants and it clearly is central to it. >> sure.
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i understand that he didn't give you more because he wasn't authorized to give you the details or the substance of the complaint. correct. >> either he deemed it urgent and credible and said this is a problem. >> what's problematic about that is he's basically not being authorized by the very people about whom the complaint might be lodged. so that's the problem that we have here. >> do you fault him for not going further, for not saying, okay, so what? i feel this is so important, i'm going to go around it or not? >> i don't fault him at this point because i think that he was trying to do everything he could to get us some type of idea about his concerns and why we needed to act promptly. what's really concerns is that a, our national security might be compromised right now and we wouldn't know it because we don't know the substance of the complaint and b, the trump
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administration claims that the whistle-blower statute in question doesn't apply to this claim. so what they're saying is that the whistle-blower will not be protected by the protection set forth in that statute and that's also concerning because other whistle blowers who want to come forward may not be able to do so. >> i don't know if you just heard, but pam was just talking about an administration official saying this is their spin to try to explain it whatever it might end up being and there's been times when a foreign leader talks to trump and makes an outlandish request like stop a doj indictment of a state-owned enterprise from that person's country and the official often says sure, i'll have my people look into it and he says it to make them go away and doesn't actually do it. it sounds like they're saying this is what we're talking about, could that be what this is all about, urgent and credible? >> i -- i think that your question answers itself. the inspector general would not
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say that that type of thing would likely rise to be an urgent concern because within the urgent concern statute, i don't want to get into all of the detail, but it has to be a flagrant or serious violation of the law or executive order and it has to be something to impair our national security. >> and i think it's important to make that point so people understand that to try to minimize it and make it sound small would go against what it is that we're talking about here. >> what's your next move to get to this complaint since the doj are moving to prevent you from seeing it? >> next week the acting doj chief is coming before us and this is going to be an open hearing and we will be asking him some very tough questions about why is he not turning over this whistle-blower complaint and we -- if he decides not to turn it over even after that
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hearing or before that hearing we may need to seek expeditied relief in court and we may need to put this into the appropriations process and the other ways that we have to conduct oversight of the intelligence community. this is that serious. >> thank you very much, congressman. i appreciate your time tonight. >> could the concerns become part of the impeachment inquiry? >> plus president trump finding support in a surprising place. why some diehard democrats in a crucial place are now backing trump. >> are there enough minds changing in this district to perhaps propel victory for the president? >> yes. >> and the company at the center of the opioid crisis with a shocking request after filing for bankruptcy, they now want to pay out tens of millions of dollars in performance bonuses. wow!
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that's gross priceline. every trip is a big deal. breaking news, president trump defiant trying to blow off and hide the whistle-blower's urgent and credible complaint against him. the complaint involves national security. virtually any time i speak on the phone to a foreign leader i understand there may be people listening from various u.s. agencies not to mention those from the other country itself. knowing this, does anybody believe i am dumb enough to say anything to a foreign leader on a populated call? the joining me now joel bremer, former assistant secretary under president obama and julian kay yem and john dean. you've been in this situation in inspect or generals where you've had various people fighting over what should be revealed and the
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inspector general here for the intelligence community admits that this is a credible and urgent threat. team trump fighting to keep it hidden and not allowing the inspect or general to say anything about the substance of it to congress today as you just heard. could the ig just throw his career to the wind and put this information out there or will we find another way? >> the ig is not, i've known mr. atkinson, and i think he's a very capable and level-headed man. he's not going to compromise classified information and the question might be whether he might disclose it himself behiebd closed doors to the intelligence committees, but that would be an act of civil disobedience and he would have to take the consequences of that and one of the consequences, i'm sure, would be losing his job and i don't know whether he believes he ought to be doing that or whether he's in financial circumstances that he wouldn't do it in any event, but the administration's position on the statute is quite weak.
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as the congressman was saying in your earlier segment he doesn't have to be investigating someone in the ic. he only has to be investigating a serious or flagrant abuse relating to the operation or administration of the ic and the justice department seems to be saying this is beyond his scope of his jurisdiction. they're not making an important distinction between the ig's powers to investigate and the ig's obligation to report to the congress. no one's saying that the inspector general of the intelligence community has the right to investigate the white house and he's a creature of statute and the statute tells him to report to the director and tells the director to report to the hill. i don't see a statutory defense here. >> all right. so juliet juliette, does it mat the whistle-blower is from what we understand are multiple incidents or activities
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including a conversation the president had with a world leader? >> yes, i've been on the other side of ig reports so i can speak to that. it does matter, and that's why it is so significant that the ig determine that this was a matter of urgent importance. in other words, igs are smart. they have statutes and they have evidence and some of them can subpoena. you can -- you can get into big trouble if you lie to them, and so they know how to gather information and determine the validity of the person, were they in the room or did they hear it third hand? were they in the room multiple times? are they a significant player or the custodian in the room and think they heard something? all of that has been worked through through the ig process and the idea that the white house is second guessing this at this stage just means they can't rely on the factual basis and they're going after presumably the witness or the whistle-blower in this case and
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the idea that this has been a random person and that's been dealt with with the ig who has been taking on information and that, too, is a weak argument by the white house. >> so could this become part of the impeachment inquiry? >> well, it certainly could for this reason, erin. >> this is part of a pattern. this isn't the only instance where they're trying to block information from congress. they're doing it in the courts. they're giving over the top arguments where the congress is seeking to obtain through subpoena documents and information and witnesses and now they're doing it through a statute that is pretty clear on its face as to how it's supposed to work. so, yes, this is the sort of obstruction of oversight that they're generally imposing as if there was no such thing. >> the president said would he be dumb enough when he thought people would be listening to his phone calls. he has no problem doing things when the cameras are on that
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many would deem just the least inappropriate and here are just a couple of examples. >> i have great confidence in my intelligence people, but i will tell you that president putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today. >> a lot of progress has been made. a lot of friendships have been made and this has been in particular a great friendship. >> i have no problem. we'll see what happens, but these are short-range missiles and they're very standard. >> joel, given that he has no problem saying those sorts of things for the cameras, for the purpose of the cameras, what could he have done on the phone with a foreign leader? >> well, he could have compromised either our important intelligence or some of the way we gathered that intelligence which in some ways could be even worse. i mean, one is speculating here, but in 2017 the cia had to pull
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a spy out who was quite close to putin. those -- we don't get that many spies like that. was this disclosure related to that? was that a compromise? goodness gracious, the question is not just whether the president has the right to reveal classified information and the question is whether doing so was grossly irresponsible. i can answer the president's question, he's asking the wrong question which is whether he could do something like this and in mara lago he had a conversation in front of the wait staff. when accused of giving secrets to the russians in the white house he didn't deny doing it. he said he had the right to do it. the question isn't would he do it, the question is whether he would do it again. >> we understand multiple sources tell us the house
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judiciary committee is taking the first steps toward holding corey lewandowski in contempt for refusing to answer questions. note, they were castigated for their handling the hearing, as well. nobody looks good, but he was flagrantly disrespectful. is it a smart move for them to hold him in contempt or is it just going to make the whole thing worse? >> i think they have to send a signal to the white house and republicans in general that this can't be a game. they can't stop oversight the way they're trying to do and the only teeth they have in forcing this issue is contempt and it is a slow process. it is a difficult process and the speaker certainly gave the sign that she has no problem with this last night and again today. >> up next, the 2020 democrats have a new plan of attack and it looks like it involves taking
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faculty lounge. >> warren, of course, was a professor at harvard. democrats battling against each other, as we found a state that voted democratic last time that is at play to turn to trump. martin savidge is "out front." >> reporter: in rural northern minnesota things are changing. the temperature, the leaves, the politics. >> are we talking thousand of people sort of shifting and changing their politics? >> yeah. >> we are? >> oh, yeah. >> once a democratic strong hole, many of the voters we talk to here, more and more say they align with the president. >> we're two brothers and we are staunch union democrats for years and they're not anymore. >> this is mining country. not coal mining, but takanite, a mineral used in making steel. 40, 50 years ago the iron range was booming, bringing prosperity to small towns like evelyn.
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>> things were just going gangbusters. businesses all over, and then when it crashed everyone was caught by surprised and they crashed and crashed hard. >> the number of mining jobs in the region went from over 14,000 in the '80s to just over 4500 today leaving families and main streets to suffer. robert has been the mayor of eveleth for 18 years on and off. he votes democrat on state races, but he's got a trump stick or his desk, a christmas card from his president on the bulletin board and the deer sports a maga hat. >> it's a matter of survival. >> economics. >> yeah. he's our guy. he supports mining. he's our guy. >> our steel industry is vibrant again. it was dead. >> so is his easing of environmental regulations. they also like his crackdown on immigration. in a state that's 80% white the
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influx of somali refugees has been a contentious issue. minnesota representative ilhan omar is a controversial figure here. >> she offends a lot of people. >> she's not popular here. >> folks here say they didn't leave the depp democratic party. the party left them. melissa axleson's husband works for a mining company. >> i think they've changed. i see conservative candidates seem to be more for the working person. >> the democrats kind of shifted more to the left and the republicans are kind of taking over the party for jobs. >> all this matters because in 2016 trump barely lost minnesota by just 44,000 votes. political experts say gains in places like the iron range could help boost the gop's prospects in the state in 2020. >> i don't think by any means this is a locked down democratic state it used to be. >> cindy, do you think that this
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area could put this state? do you think this area could be key to the president's win if he wins? >> i do, if we keep pushing. >> supporters say they'd like to see the president plan campaign rallies in the region. believing that in minnesota's mining country, when it comes to votes, president trump could strike gold. >> to continue to give you an idea of the kind of political tectonic shift that's occurred in the 8th congressional district which covers the iron range here, this was the safe district that helped to propel barack obama into the white house. eight years later donald trump won the very same district by 16 percentage points and in 2018 they elected a republican congressman for only the second time in the district's entire history. no wonder republicans see this as very fertile soil. erin? >> thank you very much, martin savidge. a powerful report. i want to go to our political
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director david chalian and national correspondent for yahoo news. good to have you both with me. when you think of the role they have and they're motivated and they want to turn the entire state, can trump turn minnesota and expand the map? >> well, listen, one of the missions inside the trump campaign headquarters is to find some places where they can try and expand the map so that they don't have to re-create that sort of inside strait that they created to get him to the presidency last time around and here's the thing. you just heard what martin said there at the end and it was a district that's seen a democrat far more often than a republican in congress. only three districts in the country last year, erin, flipped from democrat and republican. it was thai democratic wave and only three districts in the country and that is one of them and there's a trump-era change going on there that they want to
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right as a possible, alternate path to the white house if the democrats start bringing back michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania. >> we've heard what david just said, they think they can take back from trump, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, florida, ohio. those are states they think they can flip, but this is a different story. trump picking up states. are the democrats ready to play defense? >> it does feel like the democrats are dancing on the back foot and the trump campaign is better tharn 2016 and they've had more money including joe biden and bernie sanders. when they're trying to only close a 1% estimate and it's been blown open for the trump campaign in a way it hasn't been in other elections and for republicans in other districts and other democrat and republican strongholds, and i do want to point out that many were
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wearing an nra hat that many in the districts that the base might have run away from the core values and some might say they're a bit of a lost voter and the trump campaign will capitalize on that. they'll run ads and rallies and say if they're not here for you, we are here for you. the message is just as important as the messenger. >> this comes as the democrats are in the midstst primary and they have too many people to count in terms of paying attention closely yet. they're going to war now. they're starting to and it looks like some of that -- the barbs are being pointed at warren. here are pete buttigieg and amy klobuchar today. >> she was extremely evasive that it's puzzling that everybody knows whether here playing or senator sanders is
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yes -- >> my view on had is we have a lot of great people running and some of the ideas are better left in the college faculty lounge. >> that is in some sense an aggressive tone that we're now seeing towards warren by at least those two candidates today. >> welcome to the fall season. we are in a new phase in this campaign. voters are tuning in in a way they haven't yet. we are days away, erin, from learning the third quarter fund-raising numbers and a lot of debate coming up in october and the pressure is on. we're only four and a half mock away, and now is when you will see people ratcheting up as people are starting to make their strategies in their appeal to voters and a couple of more hours in short srder. there's more we agree on than we
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disagree on. you can't keep emphasizing that if you want voters to pick somebody. so it's gts to be changed. >> they are a little bit tired of democrats walking around beating up on each other and more interestingly to me is there's a whole new swath of voters that are gen-z and millennial voters that want to hear how they're different and these are voters who have not voted for are before or are hesitant to vote again and they'll make up a third of the democratic primary. 20 million americans are in college, and it's a whole segment of the population and they don't want to hear the hopy, changy obama, and are your policies in line with where we are as a party? >> that's the challenge,ier in. they have to keep the party united and they also have to sprit ourselves. you can't just all agree.
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meeting to go through options on iran this after iran's alleged attack on a key saudi oil facility. tonight iran is threatening trump. it will respond to an american strike with all-out war. >> what would be the consequence of an american military strike on iran now? >> an all-out war. >> you mack a very serious statement there, sir. >> i make a very serious statement about defending our country. i am making a very serious statement that we don't want war, but we won't blink to defend our territory. >> cnn senior international correspondent nick paton walsh is in tehran and that was a very serious statement from minister zarif. does he mean what he says? >> reporter: i think the tone of that interview was to do two things. they know that the real person they're talking about iran policy is donald trump. john bolton's out. he was the iran hawk, mike
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pompeo, but trump is making the calls and this was designed to give a bellicose statement that basically says if you hit us don't expect some kind of overnight tit for tat. this will be long and messy, but also the general tone of the interview was toing is th sugge iran doesn't want conflict, but won't shy away if it is actually attacked. >> so the trump administration is allowing the iranian president rouhani to come, and it was up to debate, and were they going to allow the visas? is there any chance that president rouhani meets with trump? >> reporter: no, in a word. you can't tell what donald trump might choose to do. he could go saddling up to rouhani in a corridor and there are circumstances that they will talk are slim and zarif laid that out. he will not talk on the side
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lines and there will be no secret sideline talks in new york and if the trump administration gets back into the nuclear deal, basically. if they take away the sanctions they put back on that weren't there because of the nuclear deal. that's a big one for the trump administration and you call that the nuclear deal the worst it's ever seen. >> trump puts out there that he can strike and do so. he can make a phone call and do it which is true, but intended to be a threat. when you talk to minister zarif do you think he believes that trump would really do it, that trump would really strike? >> reporter: i can't really tell. i think they think that he's unpredictable, and trump's unpredictability is very predictable if that makes any sense. so they don't always know what he's going to do, but they know they don't know. he could do anything and they've been watching him for quite some time and the calculation they've
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made is an awful lot of bluster and not a lot of follow through a lot of the time and it was designed to say the experiment when you can use military force and appealing to his broad instinct which is to get america out of conflicts. >> all right. thank you very much. nick paton walsh in tehran tonight. next, a company facing bankruptcy in its role in the opioid crisis making a request saying they want to pay out tevens of millions of dollars in performance bonuses. it's a crisis that could affect every part of this country and scientists are struggling to stop it.
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settlement and he's suing the sackler family which, of course, controls purdue. nice to have you. they want to pay $34 million in bonuses. do you have any idea what these quote, unquote, performance bonuses are for at the company which makes oxycontin? >> no, i don't, erin, and sadly, this is what we've come to expect from purdue. the same people that incentivized the kind of behavior that ultimately led to this crisis we're facing across this country, the same people that specifically targeted pennsylvania with 531,000 visits to doctors offices where they were specifically trying to target our veteran population and seniors and trying to get people hooked on their product, oxycontin, has the same chemical makeup as heroin. it doesn't surprise me, given their greed, given their
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approach they've taken on this, it doesn't surprise me on their way out after using bankruptcy as an attempted shield to protect themselves from lawsuits that i and others followed, that they would try and gives tens of millions of dollars of bonuses. >> they sent a statement about the bonuses. it said in part, quote, to preserve the full value of purdue for the benefit of the american public, it is critical that the company's day-to-day operations be protected. purdue's deep technical expertise and know how are a part of our business. retaining our talented and dedicated employees is a key determinant of the company's future value. >> i've sat across the table from purdue's lawyers and the sack clear family. you can't believe much of what they, really any of what they say. they are try are constantly trying to shift the ground. they're constantly obfuscating. they're constantly making stuff up in an attempt to walk away from the responsibility they have for the crisis that is
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gripping states like pennsylvania and across the country. erin, we lost 12 pennsylvanians today to the heroin, opioid and fentanyl crisis. we'll lose 12 more tomorrow, and 12 the day after. and it started not by drug dealers on street corners. >> yeah. >> but by greedy executives like the sacklers in pharmaceutical company boardroom. >> and you are suing the sackler, right? you refuse the join the settlement with purdue that thousands of other state and local governments joined, and you are also suing the family. i had on the attorney general for massachusetts earlier this week. i asked her this. i want to ask you as well. obviously the family is rich. they're really rich, okay? forbes estimated their net worth at $13 billion in 2016, and a lot of that money came from oxycontin. >> right. >> they say they're not at fault or the for the opioid epidemic. david sackler, who sat on the board spoke to vanity affair earlier. the family made $4 million in the past decade from purdue.
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he says he has so much empathy for those who were affected by this. what is your response to him? >> it's laughable. if they really had empathy for these folks that. >> wouldn't have targeted them in the first place, and they would be working with state attorneys general to actually solve the problem. instead, what they've done is they've put a proposal, and erin, respectfully, i wouldn't even call it a settlement. a settlement requires both sides to. could together and agree. but they put a proposal on the table that is really just a slap in the face to the people of pennsylvania, a slap in the face to millions of americans. and let me tell you something. the sacklers have made billions off the sales of oxycontin. and i sued them on behalf of the people of pennsylvania, and i will take as much time as it needs to reach into their billionaire pockets and pull out these ill-gotten gains and return them to the people of pennsylvania who are suffering, to use it for treatment, to use it to help these families cope with the devastation that's been
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inflicted upon them by greedy folks like the sacklers and others who have contributed to this crisis. >> attorney general shapiro, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> good to be with you. and next, scientists uncover what they are calling a dire warning sign about the health of the planet. ♪ did you know you can save money by using dish soap to clean grease on more than dishes? try dawn ultra. dawn is for more than just dishes. with 3x more grease cleaning power per drop, it tackles tough grease on a variety of surfaces.
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tonight, bird populations are plummeting across north america, according to a new study. cnn chief climate correspondent bill weir is out front. the headline pretty stunning. why is this happening? >> it's us. it's human beings and pets. it's every field or meadow that gets turned into a parking lot
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or a farm. it's every forest that gets chopped down. it's every plastic bag that goes out into the waste stream. it's pesticides. it's cats, house cats kilotons of birds every year. and the stunning number is in one lifetime, since 1970, three billion birds were lost in north america, u.s. and canada. that's 29%. so one in every four birds. and erin, this leads to what scientists call sort of the shifting baseline syndrome, which is you can tell your daughter when i was a girl, there was so much bird song. well, she can't relate to that. she thinks the woods are quiet. and then her generation it gets smaller and goes down. and it's another warning sign in the circle of life that first it's the birds and then it's the bugs, and then things get really dire. >> and the point you talk about, making a bird song, that shifting baseline is really fascinating. but what are the implications of this, of loses billions of birds? >> well, they're not just pretty to look at and listen to.
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they are pollinators. they're seed spreaders. if you don't have a certain species of bird in one forest, it will draw rodents to eat the seeds which affects the forest. and sort of cascade life systems. they're predators and they're prey. here is the interesting political thing. water foul is actually going up. why? because even the most conservative red blooded duck hunter is all for regulations to protect wetlands. and so ducks unlimited, groups like this have poured money and resources in to protecting wetlands so they can hunt there. and as a result, the numbers are up. well, the trump administration, part of their deregulation bonanza is pulling back the migratory bird treaties that would protect birds as they go up and down north america from getting into oil and those sorts of things. great lakes initiatives, colorado river basin, all these projects that are being gutted and stripped back could bring
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back birds the way duck hunters brought their ducks back. >> i hope people realize what is happening, an tangle hard to comprehend but tangible numbers. thank you so much, bill. and thanks to all of you. "ac 360" starts now. good evening. we left you last night with something of a mystery. what prompted a whistle-blower inside the intelligence community to raise what the community's top watchdog decided were, quote, urgent concerns and why haven't those concerns been brought before congress as the law requires. tonight there is new reporting from cnn and from others on the assistance of the complaint and why this is turning into something the white house, from the president down is treating as a very big deal. fist and foremost, we've learned this directly concerns the president. in part, his communications with and allegedly his commitment to a foreign leader. in addition, three sources now tell cnn that both the white house and justice department are involved in blocking the complaint. simply, "the new york times" is
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