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the prince travels on to botswana, angola, malawi, then meets back up with his wife and son, safe journeys. thanks for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room. erin burnett out front starts right now. "outfront" next, democrats near a tipping point on impeachment as trump denies he dangled foreign aid in exchange for dirt on joe biden. the president outrageously claims democrats will get the electric chair. cory booker says he'll have to end his run if he does not raise $1.7 million in the next week. "outfront" tonight, breaking news. president trump returning to trump tower tonight as he faces what could be his worst political crisis to date, allegations that he withheld military aid to ukraine in
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exchange for dirt on joe biden. trump says he had the right to do it, but he says he didn't. >> i did not make a statement that you have to do this or i'm not going to give you aid. i wouldn't do that. i wouldn't do that. >> well -- okay, first of all, that's not necessarily true. and by the way, you don't need to say that directly to make it clear and obvious threat. of course trump not only told the ukrainian president eight times to investigate joe biden, but he then did hold up the crucial military package to ukraine until congressional committees began investigating his actions earlier this month. trump's own lawyer isn't backing up the president's claim he did not threat ton cut off the aid. >> did the president threaten to cut off aid -- no -- >> to the ukraine -- >> no that was a false story. >> 100%? >> well, i can't tell you it's 100. >> okay.
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so he can't tell you it was 100%. there's one way to find out what was said during that phone call, and by the way, any other conversations the president and rudy giuliani had. it was a call that was said to be so urgent and concerning. according to joe biden, he says, release the transcript. now simple enough, it is something that the president says he wants to do. put out the transcript. >> i hope you're going to be able to see a call. when you see the call, if you see it, i hope you see it. i hope you get to see the call wide receiver it was a very nice call, i hope you get to see it, i hope you get to see it soon. >> it's a lot of hope. he hasn't done it. in fact it sounds like he doesn't plan to do it. here he is, his own words. >> sir, you can release, you can authorize release of the transcript. will you do that? >> i can do it very easily but i'd rather not do it from the standpoint of all of the other conversations i have. >> all right, that is trump's playbook here, right? it's his m.o. he says he wants to do something
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like sit down for a face-to-face with bob mueller or put something out there like his taxes but he just can't because his hands are tied. >> i would love to give the tax returns but i can't do it until i'm finished with the audit. >> well, obviously we know that statement wasn't true. i mean, look, trump never wanted to talk to mueller, he never wanted to release his taxes. we could be seeing this play out all over again right now. pamela brown is "outfront" outside the white house. that is the big question, will we ever see this transcript? >> well, erin, here at the white house officials are evaluating whether to release the transcript of the president's now infamous july 25th call with the ukranian president, but some senior administration officials are firmly against the idea, concerned it could give congress the ability to demand transcripts of calls with other leaders like russian president vladimir putin. and as you pointed out the president in the past has claimed to be transparent on an issue as a way to say he has nothing to hide only to later back down. it remains to be seen how this will play out with releasing
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that transcript. there have been some significant developments. trump has acknowledged he discussed biden in that july call with the ukrainian president amid this reporting he pressed ukraine to investigate biden's son. he implied his efforts were tied to giving ukraine aid. while there's no direct evidence biden had ukraine's vice president fired to squelch investigation of a company linked to his son, trump continues to insist something nefarious is afoot. one trump adviser told cnn today quote this is a problem for us, amid growing impeachment calls by democrats who say the president abused his office by pressuring a foreign government to investigate his political rival. >> pamela, thank you very much from the white house tonight. let's go "outfront" to vice chairman of the house foreign affairs committee joaquin castro, house intelligence committee. i appreciate your time.
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you said today, i know democrats should start impeachment proceedings this friday if the acting director of national intelligence, trump's pick, joseph maguire, doesn't hand the goods over to congress beforehand when it comes to the whistle-blower. are your colleagues on board with this? or do you fear this would be like the mueller report, democrats rant and rave but don't get there as a group on impeachment? >> that's a great question. i think the answer is that more and more democrats and more and more americans are on board with opening an impeachment inquiry. it's clear, i believe it's clear there were serious obstruction of justice issues that should have opened an impeachment inquiry before. but certainly the president of the united states abusing his power and trying to take out a political rival in joe biden by having the ukrainian president do it is something that nobody should stand for. so i think that once nancy pelosi set that thursday deadline for the whistle-blower complaint to be turned over to
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congress, if that's not produced, then i believe the next day, congress, the house of representatives, should open a formal impeachment inquiry. >> so there's some in the white house who hear that you're saying and it's music to their ears. one white house official today told cnn this is quote mueller two, we've seen this movie before. are you concerned this will be a repeat? >> i don't think so. i mean, look, we've got to see all the evidence. but i think the american people realize at this point that the president has abused his power in different ways. that he routinely lies about all sorts of things. and these are the kinds of things impeachment inquiry is set up for. so there are things at stake here that are larger than the politics and quite honestly larger than the fate of the democratic party or the republican party in 2020. if the congress, if the house of representatives, sees all of this going on and sits back and does absolutely nothing with respect to impeachment, not only will it normalize what donald
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trump is doing, it will encourage future presidents, democrats or republicans, to take the same kind of brazen actions and basically disregard the constitution and disregard the congress. >> so here's what president trump said about his conversation with the ukrainian president today. >> the conversation i had was largely congratulatory. was largely corruption, all of the corruption taking place. was largely the fact that we don't want all our people, like vice president biden and his son, creating to the corruption already in the ukraine. >> as a point of disclosure, obviously you're the chair of your brother julian's run for the white house. here's what his rival beto o'rourke tweeted today. we don't need the transcripts, the president admitted to asking a foreign power to investigate a political opponent, impeach him.
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given what trump has admitted, do you think the transcripts are necessary? >> i would agree, i think we could have started impeachment before this. certainly what we've heard already is enough to start an impeachment inquiry. and more than that, we are derelict in our duty to the people, the american people, if we don't start it. >> i apologize for my cough. joe biden tweeted out today, he told trump to release the transcripts in a tweet. the president said, i could release them. i'm curious what you think, though, congressman. because legally, obviously you don't need a concrete threat for a quid pro quo. if these transcripts come out, they don't have that direct threat, does that muddy the water and cause this to backfire politically? >> the president is going to make every kind of argument to support his position that he can. he's already admitted he was talking to the ukrainian president about a political rival. the reporting has been that he
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mentioned this eight times. that he may have mentioned this up to eight times. he's clearly insisting on the ukrainians taking up this matter with respect to joe biden and his son. and that can only be to benefit donald trump politically because he believes that that could be his rival next fall. >> so congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez today tweeted, at this point the bigger national scandal isn't the president's law-breaking behavior, it is the democrat party's refusal to impeach him for it. do you agree with her that that is the bigger scandal, the hesitancy within your party? >> i don't know, i mean, look, i hadn't weighed one against the other. but i do think she's right that if we sit back and we don't do anything, then there is basically a stain on us as well. we have a responsibility, according to the constitution, when a president abuses his or her power in this way to take
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action. and if we don't do anything, then that is a kind of scandal, yes. >> appreciate your time, thanks so much tonight. >> thank you. "outfront" next, president trump ramping up his rhetoric, wrongly claiming and without proof that what joe biden did would be punishable by death. >> if a republican ever did what joe biden did, if a republican ever said what joe biden said, they'd be getting the electric chair by right now. republicans radio silent refusing to comment on the whistle-blower's claims. what are pretty much all of them afraid of? there's a couple of exceptions. a u.s. army soldier in custody after allegedly plans discussing a 2020 candidate, disturbing details ahead. [ orchestral music playing ] mom you've got to get yourself a new car. i wish i could save faster.
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misinformation for awhile now in terms of these unsubstantiated allegations about joe biden. and the reality is this is how president trump plans to run his re-election campaign, whether it's joe biden or frankly any other democrat who comes out. what we've seen is the president being willing to basically say whatever he thinks. and use the office of the president, in this case a phone call with a leader of a foreign power, in which he's willing to raise the possibility of investigating one of his chief rivals. this is a presidency, we've said it many times, like none we've seen before. but this particular moment is an instance where president trump at least seems to feel like he can go to another foreign power and be discussing his own re-election interests and prospects. >> right, and very normal, a conversation emphasizing the day
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after bob mueller testified to congress. let's be clear, he has changed his story, which he always does, but he has changed his story even over the past 48 hours. whether he pressured the ukrainian president -- let me just play the movement here. >> did you discuss joe biden, his son, or his family -- >> it doesn't matter what i discussed. the conversation i had was largely congratulatory, was largely corruption, all of the corruption taking place, was largely the fact that we don't want our people, like vice president biden and his son, creating to the corruption already in the ukraine. i put no pressure on them whatsoever. i could have. i think it would probably possibly have been okay if i did, but i didn't. >> that was friday. that was sunday. and then that was this morning,
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ryan. i mean, you know, he goes from it doesn't matter, to yeah, of course i wanted him investigated, to yeah, but i didn't put pressure on him. does he need to get his story right, or does he think he's benefiting by handling it like this? >> he's benefited previously about issues like this on his behavior when he's sort of been doing it out in the open, right? i think we structurally have a system right now where his own party doesn't see this behavior as problematic. we went through this with the mueller report to the extent that mueller documented obstruction of justice. there's really no republican elected officials who thought that was a big deal, right? so if there's no consequences for the previous behavior, he's going to push things and push things and push things. and unless people in the republican party no longer tolerate that, then it's --
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he'll be doing the same thing. and the long-term, what's happening he's just going to set a series of precedents that the next time there's a democratic president, they'll pocket these behaviors and we'll do the same things if they want are i see it as a systemic structural thing here, right? it's what republicans tolerate is what he gets away with. until that changes, he'll just keep pushing. >> and of course we should just note, by the way, this call happened the day after mueller testified. and the testimony that was widely seen, certainly by the president, as good for him, right? so then he goes out the next day and calls the president of a country and said, you ought to investigate my chief rival. gloria, you have spoken with someone today who talks regularly with the president. this person has told you trump is not worried about the fallout of this so far. what else? >> he told me he's more worried about gun control, does he do
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something on that, and the issue with iran. and then ironically he said, he likes joe biden, believe it or not. he said he has compassion for joe biden. but the way the president looks at this is that he sees the whole system as so rigged and so evil that none of this has any real substance. that's what the source said. and so if you look at it, look at it this way. it's kind of like birtherism. the president creates a false narrative, then he stirs the pot along with his friend rudy giuliani, and then he lets it boil over. it doesn't matter whether there's any veracity to the charge, which there is not, but he does this pot-stirring. he's a real professional at that. and so he's not at all bothered by this. now people inside the white house who work for him are reporting shows, are worried about it. but for the president himself he's like, it's just another thing for him to do. and he's not worried about impeachment in that sense
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either. does he want to be impeached? no, but he also believed that if the democrats were to impeach him, it wouldn't hurt him in 2020. >> right. so i guess if you see both sides of it, you don't want to have that footnote in your history book, but if you win again, he considers himself a winner. what about this person saying the president's compassion for joe biden? i think in the context here, it feels quite condescending. >> yeah, i'm not sure what to make of that. i don't know what the intent of the person was who's saying that. >> likes him, yeah, yeah. >> that he likes him, no, i get it. but -- look, i mean, president trump often talks about good manners and liking people and treating people with respect. then he comes out and he makes these remarks over and over again, essentially calling joe biden corrupt and his family corrupt. i guess it's a little hard to square it and sort of call it
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usual politics. >> i mean, so you know, trump also, you know, his behaviors, watching this, not only the shifting story, also the electric chair, then today, you know, in new york for the u.n., so he's going off on another topic, that he has historically been fascinated by, his own inability to win a nobel peace prize. today it came up in the context of kashmir. first it was, i'm going to win if i do north korea. now it's kashmir. here's what he said. >> i think i'm going to get a nobel prize for a lot of things if they gave it out fairly, which they don't. they gave one to obama immediately upon his ascent to the presidency and he had no idea why he got it and that was the only thing i agreed with him on. >> it's a topic he's obsessed with it on. >> he's obsessed with this, he's obsessed with obama and obama's record. point to anything obama did, or if you want to make an argument,
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trying to get him to do something, just say obama did the opposite and that's a good starting place, right? he's completely obsessed with the former president and with himself. and so this issue of the nobel prize, the fact that obama won one and in trump's view it was undeserved. sort of he's obsessed with that. i don't think there are very many people who see any breakthroughs in foreign policy that he's accomplished that quite meet the nobel prize level yet. you know, usually as a president you talk about it so much, you do something that would merit that award. >> so gloria, you know, he's talking like that as he's -- as this ukraine situation is sort of exploding around him. but from your reporting, it sounds like he truly may be more obsessed with things like the nobel peace prize. >> we all have covered donald trump for a while now.
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we know how much the adulation means to him. how much recognition means to him. how much winning means to him. so you put that all together. and it's a prize. and it's an important prize. and it's a recognition, a worldwide recognition. which quite honestly he doesn't have at the united nations. so i think it would be something that he would want to have and another trophy on the shelf. and clearly as you guys were saying, this is something obama got, and he hasn't. so that's one more then he's after, and maybe he thinks he should get it because of north korea. but that hasn't come to fruition, as we can see. so you know, i think this is all about adulation for donald trump, which he needs. it's like oxygen for him. >> thank you all very much. senator marco rubio breaking his silence at this hour about trump's call with the ukrainian president. >> bottom line is i don't think he should have done it. >> but does he think it's time
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>> if he's withholding military aid, if that's not an impeachable fact? >> there's no evidence of that. people are asserting that or obviously the partisans are arguing that. but there isn't. >> he doesn't like trump's behavior, but as of tonight he is protecting him. lauren fox is "outfront" from capitol hill. not a lot of republicans want to talk about this. i know they've really been avoiding the cameras. obviously senator rubio speaking out. many of the ones you have spoken to seem to be dismissing it. what are you hearing? >> it's really just more of the same that we've heard from republican senators. any time there's a controversy with president trump. i'm hearing from a rot lot of republicans who say, there's not much to see here. senator kevin kramer, republican from north dakota, told me this reaction as lot of hysteria over very little. you saw senator rubio. senator ron johnson, republican from wisconsin, told one of my colleagues essentially he talked
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to the president earlier this summer about withholding that money from ukraine, and that what the president told johnson was essentially he was concerned about corruption in the country. johnson said, i think that's a valid concern, and something that the president of the united states has the authority to question. so republicans really giving the president a lot of excuses and room to explain himself tonight. meanwhile democrats are really holding a moment to think about whether or not they want to move forward with impeachment. we know speaker nancy pelosi over the weekend sent that letter to her colleagues arguing that she wanted that whistle-blower complaint at the end of the week, if she did not have it, they may be moving into more dire consequences for the president for not turning that over. >> thank you very much, lauren. let's go to former republican congresswoman mia love and scott jennings, former senior advisor to mitch mcconnell. should republicans be speaking out more forcefully here? >> i think that two things that
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we know. one is the prime minister mentioned that hunter biden did nothing wrong. he also said he didn't feel pressure from the president of the united states to investigate. but there are two big problems here. one is, if you are having a conversation with a foreign entity and you're having them investigate united states of america, that opens up a can of worms. it allows for national security issues. it allows somebody to get in and get information that we may or may not want them to have. the other problem is, if there's any quid pro quo. in other words, are we withholding support from a foreign entity so that they can do political favors? that would be a problem. the only way that you're going to get the information that you need is if you actually have those transcripts. >> right, which of course that is at the heart of much of this. scott, off camera republican senator john cornyn told reporters, is it a whistle-blower or is it a leaker, i don't know which.
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now look, this seems strange, right? trump's hand-picked intelligence inspector general says it's a whistle-blower with an urgent and credible report of an ongoing threat to national security. trump's team blocks this person -- well, blocks the inspector general from sharing the report. so details leak. cornyn is blaming the whistle-blower? >> i think republicans are in wait and see mode. frequently these stories happen in the trump era and then they tend to change. some of them melt down completely. a couple of weeks ago every democrat was about to jump out of the window wanting to impeach brett kavanaugh and we saw that story melt down. we saw stories melt down. that doesn't make the issue at hand unimportant, it doesn't make it unworthy of investigation. it does mean before you have a transcript, before you have an interview with a whistle-blower, it means i think republicans are going to wait and see if this happens like some of the other
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stories have happened and changes over time, it didn't quite what it was made out to be. giving this person whistle-blower status is fine but it doesn't make them infallible, nor does it make their word better or worse -- >> do you have disappointment how some republicans are handling this? cornyn is a smart, sophisticated guy, been around a long time. by doing that he's trying to discredit the whole thing. he doesn't know what it is, all he knows is team trump has stopped it getting out there. why not say, i can't wait to see the facts? >> yeah, that would be my position. i think if i were on the intelligence committee or if i were in some protected capacity like some senators are i would want to see the facts. it is true, frequently in the trump era, things are said and then they change and then they melt down completely. all these republican senators have been commanded and demanded to try to turn against the president and ultimately the facts or the story changes. i think you're going to see moat republicans in wait and see until they get more information. fit gets more serious, maybe you
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could see changes in attitude. but not until they get more information. >> congresswoman -- go ahead. >> yeah, what i was going to say is this is also a tricky situation for democrats also. because if you have people that are calling for impeachment and they actually get the transcript and they don't have the information that they need, i think that the reason why speaker pelosi is being very careful about this is because this could actually end up backfiring for democrats also. not having enough evidence. and as we've seen, polls have shown the majority of americans aren't ready for impeachment. so i think that the best thing that anybody can do right now, before they even move forward, is get a clear understanding of exactly what was going on in that conversation. and if the president abused his seat. >> you can clearly have a threat and a quid pro quo without a directly contractual, if you don't do this, i'll do this. but i understand your point, politically it can be much more complicated, much more nuanced.
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mitt romney has called this out. and he really stands on an island on this among republicans. he tweeted, if the president asked or pressured ukraine's president to investigate his political rival, either directly or through his personal attorney, it would be troubling in the extreme. critical for the facts to come out. he wrote this very carefully. if he pressured him to do that, which he did, we know. i mean, unless all of this is completely made up, we understand that's what the whistle-blower report is about. either directly or through his personal attorney, which again we know he did because rudy giuliani has said that he asked him to do it. mitt romney's taking a big stand here, congresswoman. will he follow through? >> yeah, and i think it goes to the first point that i made. if you open up the doors for a foreign entity to go and investigate anything that is going on in your country, that causes some major national security problems. i don't know if he was given the advice, whether he shouldn't do
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it, whether he should do it, whether he just doesn't know, what conversations he can or can't have, it is a big issue. it was a big issue with the hillary clinton evidence, it's a big issue now. so you never want a foreign entity to go in and investigate or look into what's happening in the united states. >> scott, is mitt romney -- i mean, and look, he's done this before, he called out the mueller report, he didn't end up following through there fully but he called it out, he called this out. do you think he's jumping the gun or is he a hero here because he's willing to say, this is completely unacceptable, people? >> yeah, well i think mitt romney's had well-known differences of opinion with president trump. i think the most operative phrasing in his comment here through his personal attorney. because i think the most problematic fact for the trump team here is that rudy giuliani was involved. we know during the obama administration, they pressured
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ukrainian officials on corruption. but that was through official channels. if giuliani were not involved and this were happening through official channels, through the state department, say, this would look a lot better than having your personal attorney over there in the middle of something that looks political, when in fact maybe it could have been handled through official channels. in this particular case, i think having rudy in the middle of it, both on the front end and on the tv end, maybe is not the most helpful thing for team trump. >> i don't think there's any official channel that would make it look any better for a trump administration -- >> i think united states, though -- united states, erin, talks to countries all the time about investigating corrupt activities or things that are going on. that's not an inappropriate conversation for us to have with other countries. in this case, when you have a political attorney in it, it looks political. >> thank you both very much. a fight for 2020 about to claim another victim? >> if you believe in me, this is the time to help. without it, we shouldn't be in this race. >> will cory booker follow
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it's a lot of money but short of the $1.7 million he says he has to have or he's going to drop out of the race. former governor granholm. jess macintosh, hillary clinton's presidential campaign. governor granholm, booker has made the cut for the next debate. if he goes ahead with his promise, which it seems you have to do, you were so definitive about it, that he would be taking himself out of the race. what's the strategy here? >> i think height actually a genius strategy. if you look at the amount he's raised in these three days, if he kept going at that pace, he would get to the number that he needs. but you're right that he has been super clear about it so that if he doesn't get to it, then he is -- i think people will see it as a gimmick, if he decides not to drop out, it will put a chink in his armor, i think he's got to follow through. i think it's a smart move. >> jess, would you agree?
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it's a lot of money. obviously you get a big pump up front. he's gotten a third of the way there. what do you think? >> i do agree, it is incredibly risky. but when you're on the bubble like he is right now, you've got to take big risks. i think people genuinely like cory booker's voice in the race. even if they haven't decided he's their candidate, they like what he's saying. he's coming in with his message of unity and love and hope. i think democrats want to hear that. he's adding more to the debate than a bunch of candidates who have not even suggested they're considering dropping out. i think people are going to decide they want to keep him around a little bit longer. >> i think one of the things to take away is how many americans are willing to contribute to political campaigns. >> this is the context. booker got 3% in the latest iowa poll, which sounds like nothing, it's enough to make it to the debates. elizabeth warren and joe biden statistically tied. when you combine the first and
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second choice, warren crushes biden 42 to 30. she kills when it comes to that. what does that tell you? is this concerning for joe biden? >> i think it's concerning for all of the candidates who are not elizabeth warren, right? but i also know that i think in that same poll, only 20% of people have their mind made up. so it's one poll. it's a poll that demonstrates that you have to have a big presence on the ground in iowa. i think you're seeing a lot of these candidates really amp up their commitment to iowa. so we'll see what happens. i just -- i don't think you can say it's all over, because it's just too far out. but i do think that for those candidates who are getting small numbers, i know we're going to talk about the dnc thresholds in these early states. it is a moment to have yourself really do a gut check. is this where i should be spending my personal time? >> what do you say, jess? 42 to 30? >> i totally agree, these are
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really big numbers for elizabeth warren. and it's not even just the top lines that are good for her. it's the trends. we are seeing her rise while biden and sanders, who were the other in the top three there, are steadily starting to fall in iowa. i think that we don't give enthusiasm nearly enough credit when we talk about electability. what we want in a nominee is somebody who inspires a lot of passion in our pace. because that's what donald trump is going to bring out. if we have -- i want in our nominee somebody who can get 20,000 people in a crowd, somebody who can get people to stand for four hours to take a photo with her. that's the energy that's going to carry democrats across the finish line and that absolutely speaks to the ability to be elected. >> this comes as the dnc has announced its qualifications for the november debate. look, oh gosh, you've got to get 3% in at least four national polls. i laugh because people probably say, what do you mean, 3%? it was 2%, and 3% is much high where you look at how people are
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doing. or 5% in two of the early voting states. what do you think that's going to mean, governor? how many people are going to be gone? there's 11 on the stage for the upcoming october debate. that's the number we have as of now. what could happen? >> tulsi gabbard needs to get one more poll in order to qualify for that october debate. the dnc is doing an amazing job of trying to thread this needle. you want to be inclusive yet make sure that we have viable candidates at the end. this little bit of ratcheting up is the message for can i continue? i love the fact that they have added these early state poll options. so there's a path now if somebody does really well in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, nevada, that they could still be on the stage even though they don't get so much in the national polls. so that's a brilliant move. i will say this, this is for november, right? at the november debate, there will only be 90 days until the iowa caucus.
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if you're not getting 3% nationally by then or 5% in these early polls, then too you should reconsider and maybe apply yourself to electing somebody to get elected, to helping somebody get elected president, maybe step out and run for senate. >> 11 right now who are going to be on the stage for our debate in october. so november, what do you say? drop two, three, who knows? >> hopefully we done two or three. i couldn't be more in favor of raising requirements a little bit. we have an incredibly talented field of candidates and i want to spend four months showcasing them. the best way to do that is a single night of debates. no campaign no watcher no audience member wants that spread out over multiple nights. >> thank you both very much. next, left arming new details emerging about the arrest of an army soldier accused of passing bomb-making instructions to radicals and plotting an attack on 2020 candidates. plus what is bugging pete
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new tonight he wanted to cause chaos. a u.s. army soldier arrested for a series of alleged bomb threats court documents revealing the soldier discussed bombing a major news network and named beto o'rourke as a possible target. what else do you know about this soldier? >> so he has been in the military. he's young, 24. he's been in the military about two years. most troubling is this fascination with bombs. he seemed according to the fbi and the court documents, he knew how to make bombs specifically cell phone bombs. the instructions he would give on facebook and this is what he is charged with, distributing material about how to make these bombs, and that was probably one of the most troubling things for the fbi in all of this. it was first back in march that they found him and discovered him through facebook and found
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his postings. then he goes quiet and we don't know much but then right after the pickup with domestic terrorism, the shootings in el paso and dayton, we saw an increasing concern for domestic terrorism. it looks like the fbi went back and scrubbed their systems and found him and then in mid august introduced an informant, fbi under cover, and started talking to him and he talked about wanting to create chaos. he admitted to this. he talked about wanting to unleash some kind of attack in the united states and essentially trying to find somebody in the united states and giving instructions on how to make bombs and who to attack. >> we know 2020 hopeful beto o'rourke was on his list and you are also reporting the news network was cnn. >> we're not exactly sure how specific he was but certainly cnn was the major news network that was mentioned in the criminal affidavit that the fbi
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mentioned. we have sources that say it was cnn he talked about. not very far on in his planning. he was on the fbi radar and they were able to get him quickly. this is exactly the type of person the fbi right now, we're seeing an increase of concern. he is that kind of guy. >> all right. thank you very much. and next, the internet tonight. abuzz about the pesky bug that would not leave mayor pete buttigieg alone. 1 gram sugar. and it's a sit-up, banana! bend at the waist! i'm tryin'! keep it up. you'll get there. whoa-hoa-hoa! 30 grams of protein, and one gram of sugar. ensure max protein.
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well, there was something bugging pete buttigieg today. while speaking at an event in iowa what appears to be a bee, some sort of insect got the best of the south bend mayor. [ laughter ] >> that's an unexpected visitor. i guess i'm just that sweet. >> it's not the first time buttigieg has come face to face with a flying pest. you may remember back in july he had a smudge on his forehead.
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i mean, we were all talking about it saying what happened? what happened in the debate? well, it was a gnat that he killed at the beginning of the debate and it just sat there. he was so busy in the debate he didn't notice it was there and it somehow disappeared in the middle. thanks for watching us. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening. both today and over the weekend the president of the united states admitted to talking to a foreign leader about investigating the president's leading domestic political rival and today he suggested he was using $250 million in military aid as leverage. that's where we begin tonight. it's important not to let what president trump said, what he himself has already admitted, get lost in all the noise surrounding this story. that noise, the goal post moving, the denying of wrongdoing, even while seemingly admitting to it all, they're all from a playbook this president has used before. you'll see plenty of examples tonight. strip that away. don't go down those rabbit holes. you're left with a question of
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