really? book at hilton.com. if you find a lower rate, we match it and give you 25% off that stay. expect better. expect hilton. hey, i'm brian stelter. breaking news as we begin this special edition "reliable sources" white house in crisis. we have some big names including nancy pelosi's daughter christine. plus president trump's confidante chris ruddy is here. we have a surprise visit from the one, the only robert deniro. what a difference a week makes. extraordinary developments in the ukraine scandal. it's moving fast and now the impeachment inquiry is moving quickly as well. it has a lot of people wondering, has president trump finally met a story that he can't control? now right now he is watching fox news and rage tweeting, but new

developments keep coming. house intel chairman adam schiff has just confirmed that in his words he expects the whistle-blower at the heart of this inquiry to testify, quote, very soon. i'm told by a reliable source nothing is set in stone yet. it may still take a while but there is progress. in journalism we oftentimes focus on what's next. what's about to happen? what's coming soon. in this story what has already happened is extraordinary. the information we learned this week from the phone call, from the call log, that is, and from the whistle-blower complaint is deeply disturbing. as politico points out, trump's ukraine plotting has been going on for months and it's been happening in plain sight. so much of the evidence is right there in public view. thyme magazine illustrated this week showing trump painting himself into a corner. we've soon a lot of other interesting covers portraying this. trump is lashing out. he's leaning on his fox friends.

he's tweeting things like this this weekend saying how do you impeach a president like me? well, he's about to find out. his exaggerations and lies are part of this scandal. it's part of what led to this point. here, for example, he's saying he created the greatest economy in the history of our country. that's a claim that the washington post gave three pinocchios. amid the blizzard of bull it's easy to forget something. it's easy to forget he is supposed to be a trusted member of the public. we are so far from that now. trump is a daily source of disinformation. it's worth noting something from the past. lying to the public and pressuring witnesses was alleged in the articles of impeachment against richard nixon. lying and witness tampering charges were also key in the clinton impeachment proceedings. my non-partisan hope is that no matter what happens it will help

us all get back to the truth. there are so many stories about trump can be boiled down to three other words, abuse of power and that brings up three other words, fitness for office. let's start with suzanne nassel and joining us from washington, staff writer for the new yorker and cnn global affairs analyst susan glasser. my 2-year-old learned how to do a thumbs up. let's talk about rules of thumb for covering the impeachment inquiry, trump is going to get uglier. you were kind of the victim this week. the president lashing out at your husband, peter baker, saying baker shouldn't be allowed to write for the "new york times" from him and he called you out saying you're an even bigger trump hater than your husband? what's your reaction and how does it feel like to be called out by the president?

>> i was sorry he didn't use my name which people pointed out is what president trump did when he attacked john legend and his wife chrissie teigen. the anonymous wives club, i guess. look, the bottom line is president trump as you see not only from this tweet but for many of the tweets, he is feeling very, very sorry for himself. he's projecting not an atmosphere of resolute calm in the face of this kind of incredible challenge to his presidency but almost a panicky throw anything up and see what sticks. this morning as you pointed out, he's rage tweeting again against a fox journalist. i expect your main introduction gets to the heart of what we're going to see over the next weeks and months as the impeachment crisis plays out. i covered the clinton impeachment. i was an editor at the washington post.

it's going to muddy the waters. i believe that president trump is attempting to deploy the clinton strategy for this impeachment as well, which is to wait it out. to brazen it out. to tell -- have the shocking truth fade into the confusion of partisanship and name-calling. so that's what i think will be happening. >> right now, amanda, all the big papers are competing for scoops and there's been leaks from government sources. there a fear that what susan is saying is already happening? the truth is fading? >> yes. will this work? go to the impeachment without staying with the central questions. and we know -- listen, hillary clinton once talked about a vast right wing conspiracy out to get her husband. president trump plays with the vast deep state conspiracy and people should be fully aware of the fact that this whistle-blower complaint is bait for a conspiracy largely because

conspiracy theories thrive when there is not full understandable information. there are questions about who this whistle-blower is just because of the fact that he is describing mall-intent to that? >> let's look at some of the rhetoric on fox. >> your thoughts as we wram a week that changed -- did it change anything? >> well, i think it's changed quite a lot, sandra. this is not surprising but it is astonishing and i think deeply misleading. >> now i don't know about you, but i think wallace is kind of calling out some of his colleagues. fox denies that. here's what his colleagues are saying on fox about the whistle-blower. >> little hitch, ukrainian hoax, the coup attempt. >> spying on the president of the united states. >> rotten snitch. >> weapon. >> the next rule of thumb is this is going to get worse. the civil war with fox is going

to intensify. >> yeah, absolutely. there's been a talk about president trump and his taxes. and for people who want to take on trump, including this whistle-blower, he is going to have to become public. because the trump right can't wait to sink their claws into him and attack his character and there's no way of getting around that. you are going to go through the ringer when you take on trump. the only thing you can do to combat it is be so firm and clear in your facts. >> right. we don't know. >> suzanne, are we going to see a weinstein effect here or an ales effect where one person makes an accusation and then that gives courage to others to come forward? we've seen that in the me, too movement. are we seeing a version of that inside the trump administration? >> i think we could. this whistle-blower had half a dozen sources that talked to him, provided this information. there's at least a half dozen other people out there party to this. there are people who listened in

on that phone call. there are others although the gaps in whistle-blower attention is compounded by fox news, that's got to sound a cautionary note for anybody who's thinking about -- >> stepping forward. >> i could face death threats. >> there was a report about whistle blowers and the need to make them safe. >> messy patch work. major laws don't have access to courts if they are retaliated against. they're not protected from criminal complaints that can be brought against them. they have protection if their security clearance is revoked but not from criminal action. they also don't have access to necessarily anyone who is above the political system. we saw this when the whistle-blower went to the ig and then to have to go to the director of national

intelligence. i hope one thing that can come out of this is this is filled with holes and that's intimidating and daunting and is afraid to come forward. they don't know what protection they'll get. >> for sunny my next rule of thumb is we should advocate for great outcome. showing and explaining what's going on. look at some of the examples. washington post, "usa today", cnn doing explainers, annotations, who's whos, fact checks. what's your advice to news rooms. explaining what's going on. it's quite complicated with lots of characters. >> that's right. that's one problem i for see in the coverage is that people may feel that it's hopelessly complicated and throw up their hands especially since you have a concerted effort from the beginning to essentially spread propaganda and conspiracy

theories coming directly from the oval office. as you pointed out in previous impeachments, whether it was nixon or clinton to a certain extent, of course you had a situation where the president and their team was pushing back very aggressively, even crossing the line at times to misinformation. but the flip side is i don't believe that we've ever had a real-time public effort at this kind of propaganda and conspiracy theory coming directly from inside the oval office. and so that makes it even harder given the conventions of our journalism today on all of the shows you have people trying to discuss the facts as they come out in the ukraine case and then you have defenders of the president, many of them advancing untrue and blatantly mistruths even in their efforts to advocate and to put the best possible spin on it. this isn't spin as we knew it where you both agree on the facts but one side makes a point advocating for the other. this is the president and his

defender saying things that are outrage goutly untrue. the president demanded from the ukrainian president the white house itself put out he's advancing a debunked conspiracy theory saying somehow ukraine has a server that was setting up russia in the 2016 election hacking. trump's own former homeland security advisor went on tv this morning and said, this is completely false. i told the president this and yet he and rudy giuliani advanced it anyways. this is mind blowing. i think it's a huge challenge for journalists covering this. maybe some day this will be part of the impeachment. >> my final rule of thumb, no one knows what's going to happen. next, is the whistle-blower's identity an important part of the story?

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president trump's alt right media diet hurts him. on that now infamous call with the ukraine trump brought up the dnc server that was hacked in 2016. trump appeared to be buying into a kookie conspiracy theory. now this morning one of trump's

own former advisers says that is complete nonsense, it has no validity. he doesn't know why trump keeps talking about it. let's talk about this much more looking at how the news is covering all of these developments with the ukraine. we are with susan hennessy. she formerly served as an attorney in the national security agency. susan, the president is buying into conspiracy theory and promoting this information. what in the world do you think the news media should be doing in order to explain what's happening? >> take, for example, the conspiracy theory about ukraine. the mention of crowd strike. the transcript that some of the right wing media has seized on to. it's a debunked conspiracy theory. the idea is that the ukrainians somehow framed the russians. going back to one of the earliest themes denying that the russians had actually been involved in russian interference in the election. the fbi has investigated this question, determined it was the

russians. the u.s. intelligence community has determined it's the russians. bob mueller indicted 12 officers by name. that's the degree of evidence we have of russian involvement and yet all of this time later, 2 1/2 years later we still have the president of the united states asking the leader of a foreign country to basically dig up some evidence to validate this theory. one challenge from the media is how do you explain the conspiracy theory without actually giving additional creden credence. explaining there is nothing to this whatsoever, even the president's own advisers are telling him this isn't true and yet he is persisting in this frankly bizarre belief. >> let's talk about other challenges. one of them involves the whistle-blower. specifically, where the person works. cnn has chosen not to get into that information. a few other papers has challenged the times. what do you think is right and wrong here? >> this is a difficult question. as someone who formerly worked

there, i don't think the press should be publishing information about intelligence officers. there is a question of whether the oird rules apply. whether an intelligence officer or government official is here, unless they can give them very specific reason not to. really explaining how it could be a threat to somebody's life. in this circumstance, you know, we would ordinarily expect the u.s. government to be the person who's protecting this person's identity and if the media thought it was relevant to include these details, for them report that. we're in a little bit of a different world because the united states government with the president the head of the executive branch is actually attacking this person. i do think the press has to take a step back and say, hey, is this the ordinary rules of engagement. we're talking about whether or not we're going to report on what agency somebody might work for or are we going to treat

this like somebody who is a disside dissident. somebody who is attacked and what are our ethical obligations. this is largely unchartered territo territory. >> do you think former trump officials have an obligation, a duty to the country to speak out right now? >> i do, and i think that this is one of the sort of interesting questions about sort of what the impeachment inquiry, how that's going to shift the momentum and burden. we've seen this white house assert executive privilege claims that are really beyond the law, right? saying even cory lewandowski who never worked in the government, he doesn't have to testify because he is somehow covered by executive privilege. they've used this as a sword and a shield. executive privilege is not all that powerful against former officials who want to testify. the only thing somebody can do is threaten to fire them. if you've already been fired, if you've already left, that's not much of a stick. it really is up to these individual people who have worked in the white house who have first-hand knowledge about some of the abuses that we're

seeing reported. so they are going to have to make a judgment about whether or not they want to continue to be sile silent. >> 30 seconds, what's the most important thing the press has to do in the days to come? i think it's we have to make sure we keep what's in mind for what we already know. forget what's ahead. what we already mow is damming. >> this is the critical challenge. as this scandal starts to unfold and get into weedy issues like how exactly are classified servers segmented? really specific and confusing issues. the media not lose sight of what's in that transcript, what we already know. we already have confirmed and sort of the big picture here and the big picture is the white house itself has confirmed the president of the united states abused his office to pressure a foreign leader to extort a foreign leader into essentially

violating the civil liberties of a u.s. citizen by launching this investigation absent a criminal predicate. that is an abuse of office. that is what the impeachment inquiry is all about. that's why we're seeing such outrage. as we get into the important details, it's important to not lose sight of the need to communicate that really, really important big picture. >> susan, thank you. the question is whether democrats will communicate that message. what is nancy pelosi thinking as the impeachment inquiry heats up and what advice is she given. i will ask one of her daughters right after this. "it's the easiest, because it's the cheesiest" kraft. for the win win.

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for the pelosi family? >> well, it's been incredible time for our country, a sad time in our country and to watch nancy pelosi be very clear in addressing the country about the need to honor the constitution and to take this very momentous step has been a time of pride for us and obviously concern for the country, but we know we couldn't be in better hands than in the hands of nancy pelosi. >> she's been criticized so much for the past -- at least for the past year by democrats who have wanted this impeachment process to start sooner. what have you been telling them? have you been trying to defend her amid all of this? >> well, i think that any woman in politics is going to be getting criticism, any leader of a political party will get criticism. and as nancy pelosi has said for year, criticism and effectiveness go hand in hand. so i think that when it comes to people giving input, what i say to people all the time is,

listen to what nancy pelosi is telling you. 218 votes are the current seat of the realm. you need that if you want to get anything done in the congress. she was a mom who went from kitchen to congress so she understands and values organizing, still organizes weekly with people. so i think, you know, my advice to my friends in the democratic party and really across the country is understand nancy pelosi always puts the constitution first. she's always going to put her caucus first and say, look, we need to move when people are ready. it's going to have our enthusiasms, but it's also important to respect each other's views and as an activist myse myself, there are times when i'll call her up and say, mom, i can't believe this or that isn't happening. she'll say, be calm. we have a plan. i won't tip my hand and no one knows. >> this is impeachment in the internet age, in the fox age, in the twitter age.

a lot of people are wondering if she will command the television stage. what do you think? >> i think what's important at a time like this is that we have to speak out certainly on behalf of the constitution and share the facts with the american people but we also have to be quiet enough to listen to the voices, listen to the voices. whistle blowers who are trying to tell us matters of urgent concern, are trying to tell us that the president is conducting foreign policy on his own not in the shared constitutional responsibility he has with the congress. and if we're talking too loudly, then we won't be able to hear the quiet voices of the patriots who are trying to come forward, and i think one thing that struck me, what my mom said last week on her floor speech when the house overwhelmingly joined the senate in overwhelmingly demanded the whistle-blower report. it wasn't just that they wanted the whistle-blower complaint and

that they wanted to talk to the whistle-blower, it was the fact that they wanted to ensure the safety of this whistle-blower and others. so i think that the combination is, yes, we should be fervent in our believes but we also have to be sober and somber in looking at the facts and quiet enough to hear those voices of people who are trying to tell us that there's a wrong that we should make right. >> quiet voices. then there are really loud voices, voices on fox and elsewhere who savage your mom on a regular basis. in a sentence, how do you react to that? >> i know that they wouldn't criticize nancy pelosi if she wasn't effective. no one ever won batting against nancy pelosi and with the same urgency and somber approach that she took all through her career to advance the issues, i know that she will ultimately be effective. >> long road ahead. christine pelosi, thank you very much. >> a long road ahead.

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our illegal side dealings with the ukraine. >> good. >> or how we tried to cover up those side dealings. >> great. >> or how we plan to cover up the cover up. >> rudy, rudy, where are you right now? >> i'm on cnn right now. let me put you on speaker. >> is rudy helping? is rudy hurting? let's talk about it. one of the president's confidante's, a long-time friend, christopher ruddy is the speaker of news max. do you think rudy's been helpful to the cause? >> i don't know rudy's complete role in this. i would say i don't think the president's gotten the best legal advice on handling this and the turnover of certain documents but without knowing fully, i don't want to disparage rudy. i think he's done a tremendous job in the president's legal defense during the mueller investigation. but obviously there's some shortcomings and i think the pretds wi president will address them pretty quickly.

>> what is your view of this week and the formal impeachment inquiry? i saw you report nancy pelosi is the smartest woman in washington. >> well, i think in terms of congress, who do you -- i mean, 50 years in politics. she's been 30 years in congress. she's held the leadership position in good times, bad times. i think she's shown herself very adept in donald trump is one of the toughest competitors out there and she's shown herself out there very adept. i think she's thrown down a challenge to the president this past week. i view this as a mortal threat to the presidency. i think the president should view it that way. this is a very unusual situation. not only has she called an inquiry based on no evidence of a crime, she's opened up six congressional committees against the president so she's come out guns blazing and i think, you know, with a year left in the president's term, he has had a -- if you look at his record in terms of the economy, in

terms of global affairs, it's been a pretty darn good record. the american people, the polls despite the drumming he takes from guys like you, brian, his polls have been pretty remarkably high. he's going into the last year of his first term and he's being hit with impeachment. you have to ask yourself if it's political. >> the polls have been certainly low. regards to whether there's been crimes committed, judge andrew napolitano see evidence of criminality. are you choosing to tune that out? >> i can't speak for the judge. you know, i've seen -- i've certainly seen some of the things he's said. what is the crime that was committed? you know, i have a -- a lot of people have a short-term memory. >> conspiracy, extorsion, bribery. i will leave that to the lawyers, but to say there's no evidence of a crime just seems like a stretch to me. >> hey, hey, let's leave it to us to discuss. remember the initial press

report said that the president was on the phone call and he demanded a quid pro quo. either you investigate joe biden or you're not going to get the military aid. some of these press reports said that eight times in the conversation the president said that. when the transcript was released, i think it was a mistake to release the transcript, but when it was released it came out that the president had never said the military aid, had never said any threat of holding back any aid to the ukrainians. so where did these -- does anyone ever call the reporters and say, where did you get this information? we find out the whistle ploeer -- usually a whistle-blower, brian, is someone with direct knowledge of a crime or misconduct. in this case it was hearsay. they're not even a direct party to any of the claims being made. >> right, but what they said in this complaint has been borne out by evidence including some of the president's own admissions. you have to admit he's i's adm

to this. >> he didn't demand a quid pro quo. >> he's been pressuring ukraine in public this week. >> look, i believe sththat the allegation was serious enough that the whistle-blower complaint should have been turned over through the dni per the statute. i believe congress has an oversight role. i think congress should always push back against the president, whether they're republicans or democrats, same party or not. but for them not to get the documentation, not to interview any of the witnesses for nancy pelosi while the president is giving a national address at the united nations that's appealing to the world for american interest, she goes out and announces that she's going to begin an impeachment inquiry against him. i mean, you remember she did something very similar when he gave a speech in normandy. incredible speech. it should have been the top of the news. she goes out and they leak to the press that she wants to see him in jail.

and then she says on all of her interviews recently that she only is concerned about his family and the country. why did she say when he was back in normandy that she wanted to see him in prison? i think, you know, they've actually had a desire to put this -- really to end his presidency, and it's a political move, not a judicial move or fairer move. i'm for fairness. if the president committed a crime, he should be impeached whether he's my friend or not. i do not believe that there's any evidence -- i've known the man for many years. i've never seen him even hint at doing a criminal act. >> can you tell him to stop using dehumanizing language about the press, calling us sick, calling us these -- he's been saying corrupt -- >> can i hear you, brian, will you and cnn condemn representative talib for -- >> i'm not going to play her game. i'll look it up. >> where she says impeach the mf. the story's on newsmax right

now. >> how is that related to the president calling journalists scum, dehumanizing language. >> i disagree with the president. i do not believe the press is the enemy of the people. i think the white house has -- can improve its communications game with the press. i agree with you there. we both know -- i've known a lot of white house reporters for many years and they all say to me the same thing, they don't get the normal communications from the white house as to the president's side of the story like they have in previous administrations. >> that would help. >> i think it's a short coming. it needs to be improved. it would help. i think the president can improve his rhetoric. i don't think it helps the situation. the president -- this is an opportunity, i think, for him to reach out to the democrats, to pelosi and say, look, how can we -- bill clinton wrote the model on this. he was impeached. he still dealt with the republicans. he got legislation that balanced the budget, did tremendous

things for the country and he came out pretty good at the end of his second term. and i think the president here has a tremendous record. he should ignore a lot of this incoming attacks, focus on the things that we agree on with the democrats, try to pass bipartisan legislation. i know it sounds crazy, but this is the time i think to do it. >> i don't think you're crazy. chris, thank you so much for being here. great to see you. >> thank you, brian. we have a legendary actor standing by and one of the president's most outspoken critics. i'll speak with robert deniro about this week's impeachment news.

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hey, welcome back to "reliable sources." i'm brian stelter. you may have noticed last season on "saturday night live" there was appearance by robert mueller actually played by robert deniro. mueller is history but deniro has a lot to say about the real life president trump. he's here with me now in new york. thank you for being here, sir. >> glad to be here. >> we've been tried to book you. and we have an impeachment inquiry. i'm more curious about your sense of what's going on. you are calling for the president to be impeached. are you satisfied with what the democrats are doing? >> yeah, i think they have but no choice to have an impeachment inquiry. it has to happen. there's no way around it. >> do you think the president should resign? because this morning in the connecticut post, which is one of the biggest papers in the state of connecticut, i believe this is the first major paper to call for him to step down. that would be quite a dramatic

development. >> i don't think he's capable of resigning. bull maher said it's going to be difficult getting him out of the white house especially if he wins marginally -- if he loses marginally. >> do you have that fear as well, that he wouldn't leave? >> yeah, he'll say it's rigged, this or that. this guy has done everything possible, much worse than i ever thought ever. the day after he was elected i said, give him a chance. you'll never know. he is worse than i ever could have imagined. >> and what is at the heart of that? what is the primary critique or complaint or objection? >> i don't know. i think part of -- i think he's crazy in a way. part of him is just crazy. ruddy who was just on, apologizing for him is disgraceful. i mean, if it wasn't for you, cnn, msnbc and some other outlets, "the new york times," the washington post, i mean, where are we?

this is a crazy world. what is going on? this guy is crazy. we've got to get him out. >> when you say crazy do you mean in a medical sense? that gets criticized. >> possibly medically, too. i'm starting to think. i didn't think that before, but now i actually -- when i saw him out in front of the helicopter waiting to go somewhere and talking endlessly and sweating and sweating and not even -- i said, this guy is not even aware of what he's -- he should at least ask somebody for a hand kerchief or something and dry himself off. something strange. >> i wonder as an actor, do you ever look at the president and think he's performing like he's playing an act or something? >> in some ways i think he is, but i think that it's -- as i think some of these other pundants on fox are, too because i can't believe that they would actually buy into this

craziness. this guy is -- should not be president, period. >> and when you say that, folks on fox come after you. i remember the tony's when he got up there and cursed. >> well, you know, this is cable so it's not an fcc violation but it is still a sunday morning. why do you choose to go that way? >> we are in a moment in our lives -- in this country where this guy is like a gangster. he's come along and he's said things, done things we say over and over again. this is terrible. we're in a terrible situation. we're in a terrible situation and this guy just keeps going on and on without being stopped. >> let's fit in a break. squeeze in a commercial. more with robert deniro in just a moment. ♪ things are getting clearer, yeah i feel free ♪ ♪ to bare my skin ♪ yeah that's all me. ♪ nothing and me go hand in hand ♪ ♪ nothing on my skin ♪ that's my new plan.

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would have wished mueller would have done, should have done, could have done when he was deposed or whatever you want to call. >> actually special counsel. >> so you suggested that to lauren michaels and company. >> i did. >> so maybe we'll see you back in the future. >> who knows, who knows. >> your big role coming up is "the irishman," my friend said it's a master piece. it's getting rave reviews. it's interesting, it's going to be in theaters in november and then on netflix. and this is your first time making a film for netflix, right? >> yes. well, netflix was the only company that really stepped up and said they would finance it and do it for us in a way that we had to do it, that would enable mart scorsese to do everything that he needed to do to make the movie that he wanted to make. so it's made as a movie. obviously, it's not for a small screen. some people will see it on the small screen. it's better ultimately to see it

on a big screen, but it will work on any screen. >> and i suppose the way the world works now, a lot of people have those 75" tvs at home and they're watching this on that right now, so people will see it in a cinematic way. does it matter to you that netflix and others are financing films, netflix and apple and amazon? >> no, i mean, they're financing them. other people aren't. it's very hard to get a movie financed in a traditional way. you get it done, even if it's a tent pole film. and one of the comic book films. you know, you still -- you always have -- that's the nature of it and that's fine. but so companies like netflix, amazon, if they come along and can support material work that's very special and do it in a way that, with all the technological stuff coming on, that's even better that they can help support that, make it -- finance it. because it's expensive. now, it will be less and less as years go by, obviously, things

will change. new things will come up. but, yeah, i think it's -- and it creates a lot of work for everybody sf everybody. >> and "the irishman," it's a martin scorsese film, it's a mob film. you used the word "mob" earlier talking about president trump. you do see this as a mob situation, that he speaks like a mobster or something? >> he's a wannabe gangster. and the thing is he makes gangsters look bad, because certain gangsters, like in my profession, keep their word. he doesn't even know how to keep his word. and he's the president. it's just crazy, that he's our president. >> i get the sense from you that you view this as a crisis. >> it is a crisis, yes, it is. and too many people are two gentle about it and genteel about it. we're in a crisis situation, period. that's it. >> sir, thank you for being here. good to see you. thanks for the conversation. and a quick reminder before we wrap up here on television, reliablesources.com is sour web companion. you can subscribe to our podcast

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