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he experienced what a senior adviser described as chest pains tuesday night. doctors found a blockage in one artery and two stints were successfully inserted. we wish him the best. i'm going to hand it over to chris for cuomo "primetime." >> i can't believe it but there is no, sir dossier in the mix. i irony is staggering and troubling we have new information and people to test about what they're going to do about it. what do you say, let's go after it. another crazy day. the president happy to answer all kinds of questions about how bad the whistle-blower is, how bad the democrats are, all the things that they did and all you into ed to do is look at the perfect call of what he got asked about that call. listen to this.
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>> what did you want about biden? what did you want him to look into on biden? >> look, biden and his son are stone cold crooked and you know it. >> the question is what did you want president zelensky to do about vice president biden and his son, hunter? >> are you talking to me? >> yeah, it was a follow-up of what i just asked you, sir. >> are you ready? we have the president of finland. ask him a question. >> i have him. i wanted to follow up on what i asked you. >> did you hear me? ask him a question. >> i will. >> i've given you a long answer. ask this gentleman a question. don't be rude. >> no, sir, i don't want to be rude. i wanted to you have a chance to answer the question that i asked you. >> i answered everything. it's a whole hoax. you know who is playing into the hoax? people like you. >> it's a hoax but you can't answer the damn question because you know where the answer takes you. there's only one answer that makes sense. so the call isn't that perfect, is it? and the man standing to the side of our president on yet another international stage, actually
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commented after that. i hope the tradition of democracy in america continues. i wonder why he's saying something like that? what we got today was this president's obvious line of defense, okay? i did nothing wrong and i will attack anyone who dares to expose anything like a misdeed. and listen to this, this led to a state department inspector general coming today to congress and unloading what sounds like a new dossier. what he called misinformation bundled up to discredit people in the state department who wanted to come forward and maybe the whistle-blower and maybe the bidens. and then rudy giuliani, you can -- you can't make it -- rudy giuliani admitted to offering up at least part of the information in that dossier. then he said he got a call from the secretary of state who agreed to investigate what he
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gave them. he is the gift that keeps giving. i don't know who it's good for. let's take that question to the court in session. cuomo's court, laura croats, jenna ellis. laura coates, let me ask you, giuliani says, yeah, i gave them information the inspector general of the state department is calling a bundle of misinformation about information and the bidens and the secretary of state told me he's going to look into it. is that okay? >> no. it's almost the opposite of saying it wasn't me. he was saying oh yeah, that was me and that was me, too on things that were in appropriate. number one, who does rudy giuliani work for that he is able to tell the secretary of state to go negotiate certain claims that he has based on propaganda and information about conspiracy theories? i thought pompeo served at the pleasure of the president of the united states, not somebody who is not in the president of the united states and is not
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actually a white house counsel, rather the personal attorney of the president. it's completely con founding to think that somebody who is aware that although perhaps a sitting president could not be indicted, it is absolutely odd to me he thinks he's somehow immune from the scrutiny or perhaps even an investigation into his own conduct about why he feels entitled to do so and to perpetuate this sort of thing. >> let's not do it in terms of a matching column of potential illegality. let's deal with transparency. rudy was transparent meep sa. he said on this one, i gave him information and the secretary of state said he would nof move on. is that the right move of the secretary of state? >> i find it shockingly hypocritical -- >> is that me? >> is that me? >> it's definitely you. >> we try not to use names here.
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we don't use insults, we use insigh insights. try that. >> the liberal left is saying thattes bl-- that that's blatany wrong -- >> the inspector general said it was misinformation done to malign state official and people who work for the bidens. >> context matters. when we have the transcript of the phone call with president trump and the ukraine president, there's nothing there. >> what do you mean there's nothing there? >> tell me what crime there is. >> first of all, first of all, jenna, you're the constitutional lawyer. >> there's nothing there. >> does there need to be a crime committed for there to be impeachment proceedings? >> there needs to be a sufficient legal and constitutional business -- >> where does it say it needs a legal and constitutional basis for a nonlegal -- >> on article 4 of the u.s.
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constitution, it should not be political, this should be legal and constitutional because due process did. >> it does not say that in there. what it says is high crimes and misdemeanors and federalist papers 65, alexander hamilton explains that explicitly as crimes of a political nature done to society at large. >> and what you're forgetting are two very important words, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. it goes back to the entire context of the constitution and alexander hamilton's word and use of political does not mean it can be part i begisan game. >> are you going to keep cutting me off? >> whenever someone fill i busters, they're going to get the same. >> sbut you didn't.
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>> she didn't filibuster. >> the president has never denied any of the occurrences in the call, where they ask for javelins, he's says first a favor, here's what i want and he taubes about the bi talks about the bidens. we don't need the whistle-blower. you have the call, you have the text from rudy about volker, who then resigned right after it. why do you even need the whistle-blower? >> a couple points here. one of the biggest part you're missing in the part of impeachment is the word bribery, which is defined essentially as getting something of value in return for the performance of an official act. us have the discussion in the actual transcript, it n's not verbatim. it essentially says in exchange for your discussion of the dirt on biden, i need a favor from you, i provide for you the funding already earmarked and appropriated by congress.
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that's what people are investigating, not convicting yet but investigating. >> that's absolutely false. >> well, i'm not sure how it could be false if i cited a section of the founding fathers of the constitution but i'll finish my point because you demanded the same in return. >> you'll get the also a point. >> the idea of the whistle-blower act and why we have the protection and anonymity. you're correct in saying it is imperative for people to investigate the allegations of a whistle-blower complaint. and if the underlying substantial that's being investigated to shoot the messenger is antithetical to what we stand for. it doesn't mean the allegations alone will lead to a conviction. it does mean if you had the allegations there, don't focus on the actual messenger, focus on the investigation. >> jenna, where do you take issue? >> with bribery. here you don't have a quid pro quo or anything remotely related
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to bribery. if that were the definition, every single allied move with the president of the united states would be considered bribery. you don't have that. if this were insulation for biden, then anyone who is an opposition opponent would simply sign up to run for president to be insulated from any sort of investigation. and so here you don't have a legal constitutional basis, you don't have bribery ifthat false under the federal bribery statute or anything related to the constitution in terms of treason or bribery or other high crimes or misdemeanors. >> high creaimes and misdemeano was never a legal standard. i don't know why you're ignoring his request for javelins and he was holding up the aid -- >> he doesn't. you didn't even know that for a month. and this was not in exchange. do me a favor is parlance of saying, hey, why don't you look into this, which is absolutely legitimate -- >> that's what do me a favor means to you?
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that's what do me a favor means? >> look at president trump's track record of using that phrase in context. >> give me another example of him using the phrase in context. >> if you go online -- >> no, i'm asking you because you say you know you can make the point so make it. give me an example. >> he's said that in numerous conversations that are recorded. >> give me one. >> in press conferences. >> give me the context of one time he ever used it. now where, how. >> he's used it, do me a favor by saying, hey, why don't we do this, not as an exchange for information but i would say, hey, why don't we go to dinner tonight. that's not something that's saying i'm trying to bribe you for anything but saying, hey, why don't you do this and that is a legitimate ask from the president of the united states that does not constitute a quid pro quo. go back and look how president trump has used that phrase recorded in context in the last three or four years. >> if i may just one point. >> quick, though. >> i think you're conflating the
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investigation process with the assumption that congress has already gone through a full investigation. they are in that impeachment inquiry, number one. number two, i think you're missing the idea of context about presidential leverage and why it very different for a civilian to talk about a dinner chat as opposed to somebody with an earmarked over a quarter of million ksh. >> -- excuse me. i do find it odd you would demand people would respect your opinion and time and then you interject when i'm making a point about 1.5 sentences in. the reason it's important not to conflate is because it's disingenuous to the american people to suggest congress has already done this. they are investigating. if there is a quid pro quo, they would act appropriately. if not, perhaps you would rule the day. it was not a conversation about dinner. >> i'm making sure that your points are being pushed back on just as much as mine. >> there's no real for a style
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discussion about how you two debate. i'll take you on the point, i asked you for an example, you didn't have it. >> no, i did. >> no, you have not a single example of how he's used it in the past. >> yes, i did. in press conference. >> you said -- >> in a press conference is not an example of how he used it. >> do me a if i ever favor -- >> that's not an example. that's an opinion without giving an example of him using it. here's what he said in the context of this conversation and here's why it's okay. you didn't do that. >> go back and look at -- >> i don't have to. you said you did, you said you could offer it up and you didn't. i appreciate you making arguments. i'm just saying if you're going to tell me there's an example of something, show me the example. don't tell me to go find the example. >> oversight matters.
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>> chris, it wonderful to be with you, brother. you are certainly in the heat of this very important narrative. and as an american, i appreciate your perspective and your calm approach to this thing. >> thank you very much. so help me understand some things from your per expectative and the position of oversight as an elected official in the u.s. congress. the secretary of state had several chances to acknowledge he was on the phone call. i'm not describing any wrong doing but he was on the phone call with ukraine's president and our president. he had multiple occasions to mention it and didn't until pressed. does that raise any questions for you? >> not exactly. i mean, at the cabinet level, there's a great deal of confidentiality. and of course the secretary of state has a right to come forward with his personal interaction of a phone call that the president engaged in according to as he sees best for
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the office that he holds and true to his oath. i don't question the secretary of state in his actions there. i think -- you know, you mentioned meat on the bones, my friend, and i think that's where we are right now. the impeachment proceedings have moved forward, you know, not necessarily within the parameters of normal procedure historically. however, my democratic colleagues have moved forward with impeachment proceedings, so let's see the articles of impeachment. let's see the probable cause, let's see the meat on the bones. that's what the constitution calls for. let's take it from there. >> and that is a good -- for those that don't know, the congressman was in law enforcement before he did that job. and probable cause really is the only bar they have to meet. the hard jot b is on the senate. no disrespect to you in the
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house. this is just an indictment. it's whether or not they can put meat on the bones. in terms of probable cause, when you have the president in a conversation in which he acknowledges, he does not question the facts presented in that call at all, you can question whether or not there's more to the call, 30 minutes, only 2,000 word, but he's never pushed back on it. he says to the president in response to a request for missiles, okay, but do me a favor and then it winds up being about rudy giuliani and looking at the bidens. what is that in terms of a concern for you? >> it's quite complex. i've been to ukraine. i went to ukraine in 2017 and met with their highest officials. there was questions at that time, there was a moving target regarding the actual russian military occupation of their country and what the battlefield looked like.
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the appropriations as approved by congress, it's -- not only is the president within his legal parameters as commander in chief but it's his duty to question exactly how this assistance, especially military assistance would be made manifest to in this case a newly elected government. >> fair point. fair point. what does that have to do with biden? >> we're not sure, are we? that's what we want to know. we must keep in mind we should have a calm approach to this thing. we should recall that the attempted influence of our elections -- first of all, it's ongoing throughout the cold war since world war ii by russia but really came to a point in 2016 in the digital age and apparently ukraine had something to do with that. now, russia was occupying ukraine at that time militarily. >> what does that have to do
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with the bidens? >> well, we're not sure. >> i don't know how it has anything to do with the use of their military or fund or what that has to do with russian interference. the president said i want you to look at biden because we do know the answer, though, congressman, with all due respect. he said people are saying that he removed the prosecution to help his son. now, he meant prosecutor but the transcript says prosecution. >> not just people saying that. the former vice president said that. but that doesn't mean -- >> the former vice president never said he removed or stopped a prosecution or did anything to help his son. >> well, there's some audio about that. >> not about that. but go ahead. >> i'm not suggesting the former vice president is guilty of a crime. i'm saying that within the totality of circumstance of looking at potential impeachment of the president of the united states, all things must be considered, with a great deal of calm and measured prudenceand
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this would include anyone that could be involved. and that certainly doesn't -- doesn't absolve the bidens in any way. former vice president nor his son. we should move forward very care fly, my friend. >> as long as it's on the basis of fact. i see one small irony right now. what the president is accusing joe biden of, he must also be necessarily guilty of. the only difference between the two scenarios, holding back something to get to ukraine is we have proof that the president did it to play the political advantage and we don't have that proof with biden. but you're right, we must go with deliberate concern and see what meat can be put on the bones. congressman clay higgins, thank you for being part of that conversation. you're always welcome here. >> thank you, chris. we should just move forward very carefully here. it importa it's important for you are country. >> done.
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be well. thank you for the help. >> guess who is having a good time about this? comrade vlad. guess what he joked about doing today? and why did it take more than a week for our secretary of state to fess you on that call. i hear the congressman saying he didn't have a duty to, but if he's going to talk about the democrats and bullying and why he doesn't like the process, when was he going to mention that? our top insiders on both cases next. color. full of energy. full of... woo! it's fresh and filling. this bowl is full of good. so you can be too. try a new baja or mediterranean warm grain bowl today. panera: food as it should be. wi can'twhat? ve it.y. that our new house is haunted by casper the friendly ghost?
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that could have a big impact on someone being willing to speak you up in the federal government and he knows that. let's talk about what it means to people who understand how the intelligence community works. phil mudd, mike rodgers. the secretary of state gives a number of interviews, never mentions that he was on the phone call. that's all. >> i'm sorry, are you asking me? >> no, i'm asking mike. he knows independe i'm talking . >> i don't believe the secretary of state knew he had a duty to disclose. those calls are classified for a reason. i'm not sure it his responsibility to disclose. it would have been in a broader sense if he was talking to the committee or other thingss a, i certainly would have been his duty to disclose.
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i don't like what they did politically but this thing is such a mess. both are apoplectic about the way it's going. >> i should be saying the house side but be honest, it's coming pleatly partisan. we have no reason anybody on the right has anything to do with working with people on the right about the inquiry. >> i don't think that's fair. if you're going to do this correctly, you do it in confidence. a whistle-blower complaint and i onboarded these ace chairman, should be a confidential conversation, classified, nondisclosed inquiry inside of the committee. period. and i did these. by the way, eight out of ten of these things proved out to be probably not worthy of any further action. two of the ten did. but i'm telling you, the way this thing has become so public, they're trying to say, listen, i really want you to have a fair hearing and a quick hanging.
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and i just don't think that's appropriate. listen, i do not think, and i've said it very publicly, i do not agree with what the president did and said on the call, but you're talking a whole different animal. you're going to undo an election if you go through with an impeachment. you better do this exactly right. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> i don't think doing it publicly and press conferences and leaking information and all of those other things are just not appropriate. >> i'm with you with one qualification, which is they couldn't get the complaint from dni originally. >> but if you really believed you were going to protect the whistle-blower, chris, you would never, ever release the whistle-blower complaint. ever. i would never have done that. even if you believe 100% of it is exactly true, if you believe about protecting whistle-blowers, and i do, by the way, i think there needs to be a system to do this so they don't run to the press with very secret and classified information -- >> i'm with you. >> you don't release this thing.
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you do an inquiry inside the committee. but they were so excited, they couldn't wait to use the impeachment word. >> except they didn't have access to the complaint. i take your point on it and protecting the whistle-blower should be of paramount importance. phil, another inspector general comes forward and says i was given this bundle of what reportedly was referred to as misinformation about potentially the bidens, potentially other state department officials who were somehow involved in this. rudy giuliani comes forward and says, yeah, i gave him some of that and i talked to mike pom yof a -- pompeo and he said it will be investigated. feelings about the new dossier. >> so far today that's a big nothing burger. a democratic congressman came out and said i haven't actually
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remudviewed the whole thing, it not clear this relates to the investigation but let me talk to the media about it. to the congressman's point, slow your roll. let's get to the significant pieces here and if you have in this case a dossier where you don't even know who sent it and you're talking to the media about it, slow your roll. that said, let me tell you one really fascinating piece here, chris, that nobody is talking about. rudy giuliani and the comment you just made that mike pompeo when he got the stuff from giuliani referred to it for investigation. i spent a lot of time in government. there are state department officials who will testify, intel guys, d.o.d., department of defense people. rudy giuliani parachutes in from mars. the people who will testify are going to look at him, including state department officials and say i don't have to protect that guy. he didn't operate by the rules. he didn't do what you're supposed to do in government. i suspect he's worried about what the congress will do. if i were him, i'd be worried
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about whether people in government stick a shiv in his back. he's in trouble. >> we have new information that rudy giuliani is saying i gave what i had to the white house and the white house gave it to the state department, the secretary of state maybe, we don't know specifically, to look into it. i don't think that makes it better. >> candidly i'm not sure is does either. listen, if there is any forum for investigation, it needs to be through the attorney general of the united states. >> right. >> i'm not sure the attorney general should be looking overseas before looking -- this needs to be a solid domestic investigation, probably 90% of what you need is here domestically. i just never believe it's a good idea to engage our international partners, friend or foes, into a domestic investigation, political or nonpolitical. i just don't think it's a great idea. as a matter of fact, i think it's an awful idea. so i'm not sure that makes it better. was he acting as the attorney to
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the president, was he acting in some other capacity. he keeps claiming that somebody from the state department told him do it. well, we probably ought to know who that is and under what circumstanc circumstances. >> rudy is getting a new nickname, which is like the bus driver because he's throwing everybody under the bus. he threw volker under the bus. he put out texts from volckker. rudy is saying i never said there was no conclusion with anyone, just the president. if that's the eye he has and only on that just to protect the president, what he's doing make more sense. thanks for making the case. appreciate it, fellas. >> this ukraine story could take another turn tomorrow.
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we have former special envoy kurt volker. he's going to testify. why did he resign so abruptly? why did rudy have those tebxts, assuming that they're real. we have somebody who knows mr. volker and who knows a lot about foreign policy and the right way to conduct it. let's get some insight from an insider next. reat paint. ♪ that's some great paint. behr ultra, ranked #1 in customer satisfaction with interior paints. great paint, new low price. starting at $29.98. exclusively at the home depot. this seat? this seat is reserved for the restless. those who need to move. and roar. and ride. up, down, over. powering through. this seat is for those that get down in it. into the fray. the arena. this seat is not for spectators.
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we're finally going to get to an actual party from this. the democrats are going to hear from someone named in that report, kurt volcker. he resigned a day after therele. he's set to appear before a clos closed committee tomorrow. that's bring us to our guest. thanks for joining us, appreciate it. we'll get to volker in a second. the idea of the state of play between the united states president and the ukraine president, all right, you understand this dynamic much better than we ever will so thank you for the help in advance. the idea of that request being made along the lines of, well, we're just trying to deal with corruption there, does that make sense to you? >> no. i mean, it would be the first time that we know of that president trump has raised corruption with any other
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leader. i mean, it's never something he's been interested in before. in fact, his entire history over 35 years is supporting authoritarian regimes, turning a blind eye tore corruption. it awfully convenient in this one particular case where he mentions biden it's about corruption. it doesn't really stand up this was his motivating factor. it cle it's clear in the call he went straight to vice president biden and hunter biden. that's why he brought it up. >> clearly rudy giuliani didn't del me the truth the first time in the show. he told me he was working on his own and only told the president about it afterwards. now it does seem he was working with the state department. he put out texts that he said are from kurt volckkevolker, an secretary of state had exchanges with him, who didn't tell us until he was pressed about it in many interviews.
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what are i don't concerns here? >> my concerns are about secretary pompeo. he hasn't been up front about this from the beginning. we know he succeeded the secretary of state and previously a cia director because he's always tried to be close to trump. he's never, ever stood up for anything over a protracted period of time that may cause trump to turn on him. that's been his main sort of driving force. i think it is possible that he's involved in this so we wait for him to speak publicly about it and he's obviously been subpoenaed. i think kurt volker is a very different case. >> why did he resign? it looked t.a.r. it looked terrible. >> everyone who works on u.s. foreign policy in europe knows him because he's been a fixture. >> and he runs the mccain institute. >> he was a foreign service
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officer the day after. >> he resigned the day after because he wanted to testify? >> i don't know and i haven't spoken to him, but i suspect the reason that he resigned is because he's not a partisan or political figure. he is testifying tomorrow. we know that secretary pompeo and president trump don't want officials to testify. so i think, you know, he i'm sure came to the understanding that given everything that's happened that he wouldn't be able to continue in the position and i think it's a great thing that he is actually going to speak openly about this tomorrow. >> the big question is those texts, assuming they're his, why would he be working that way as a state department official, special envoy, with the president's personal attorney? >> i think that we will hopefully find out the specific answer to that tomorrow, but i can only guess. i mean, my guess is that he was trying to limit the damage that giuliani was doing, that he was trying to basically fix the problem. >> do you think there's any chance that giuliani is telling
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the truth, that volker went to him, said help us out, we'd like to help you? >> i think in this case, president trump makes it clear to the state department that, you know, that giuliani is his point person on ukraine. i think it unrealistic that the ukraine envoy wouldn't talk to that person. i think what really matters is what actually happened between them. and i think we'll find that out tomorrow. but as i said, i mean, this -- the person in this case is someone who was a foreign service officer for many decades, served under multiple administration, went into the administration as a true professional to serve and i think not for partisan reasons or because he was a trump person or anything like it. so i will sort of give him naturally the benefit of the doubt over somebody who seems like they are running their own sort of rogue diplomatic sort of operation, somebody who obviously wanted to be secretary of state at the beginning of the
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trump administration and seems to be pursuing it on an individualistic basis here. >> well, if you speak to him, let him know he's welcome to come on and maybe his case to the audience. we look forward to what he says tomorrow. thomas wright, thank you very much. appreciate it. all right. the president angry, very angry. not unusual. but is his tactic that she chose today, is that going to help him? an argument of what not to do and what to do to wind up on top through this process. an explainer next. here. as my broker, what am i paying you to manage my money? it's racquetball time. (thumps) ugh! carl, does your firm offer a satisfaction guarantee? like schwab does. guarantee? (splash) carl, can you remind me what you've invested my money in? it's complicated. are you asking enough questions about the way your wealth is being managed? if not, talk to schwab. a modern approach to wealth management.
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. all right. look, so now we know the defense for this president. it isn't me. it's biden. it isn't me. it's schiff. it isn't me. it's the democrats. >> i think it's a scandal that he knew before. i'd go a step further. i think he probably helped write it, okay? that's what the word is. >> that's the president attacking the house intel chair after news did break that the whistle-blower spoke to schiff's
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aides before the complaint was filed. word is, the president says. word is also that this intel person went to the legal counsel in their agency first, that counsel reportedly went to the white house about the whistle-blower claim. so they knew in advance too. but the bigger point is this analysis does not depend on the whistle-blower, and you know who knows that? ironically, the president. >> the only thing that matters is the transcript of the actual conversation that i had with the president of ukraine. >> today he was unable to say what he wanted ukraine to do vis-á-vis the bidens. now, his defense of what he clearly asked for just fails. he says, it was really just about fighting corruption in ukraine. why did his dod, the department of defense, shoot that down with a letter saying ukraine was already taking substantial actions to fight corruption?
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another line, the rules were changed for this whistle-blower. they're not credible. they had no firsthand knowledge. the trump-appointed intel i.g. called that line of attack incorrect. the i.g. stated the complainant does have some firsthand knowledge, and you know what? a lot of intel is gathered from what someone else tells you. and, again, trump's guy vetted the source and the claim and found it credible and urgent. now, those on the right have claimed this was merely the continuation of a valid doj investigation. that's all the president was talking about, except remember what the attorney general said his investigation was about. >> i think there's a spying did occur. yes, i think spying did occur. >> he's talking about spying. spying is not even in the transcript of the ukraine phone call. does this mean that barr is investigating biden? is that going to come out like
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the presence of secretary of state pompeo being on that ukraine call, that he only admitted when pressed? now the inspector general of the state department comes forward with a dirty dossier about the state officials involved in maybe the bidens. and rudy giuliani comes forward and admits he supplied some of it. he gave it to the white house, and they may have given it to the secretary of state. and we wonder why so many just shake their heads at the state of politics, especially with this president going full war mode today. >> and you comp partmentlize that and continue to work with him for the benefit of the rest of the country. >> or are all bets off? >> no. if they do that, then all it is, is a war-like posture. >> brian carom asking that question and that is the truest thing the president told you because he will never surrender the we to the me. but my argument is make a
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different move. take another page from the past. i say another because this president already took a page from the clinton situation. he learned not to testify under oath. so now take another. clinton did compartmentalize. that's where brian got the reference from. he cut deals during his drama. he got more than a billion dollars to repair schools, head start expansion, help with college prep, community learning centers, better nursing homes, a patient's bill of rights for federal work eaers. he was also working with senator mccain, may he rest in peace, on a tobacco bill. why did he do that? the genius was not only did he give the voters something else to judge him by other than the drama, but he made it harder for his political opponents to dig in because they were working on the deals too. oh, and by the way, he was actually doing his job as if that still mattered. now, rather than this president embarrassing himself arguably as he did today or just posturing
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about guns to avoid impeachment, he could see payoff in approvals if he does deals. look with clinton. look where he was. look where he got. trump has never been in the same zip code as those numbers. he's always stuck in the 40s. imagine, though, doing background checks, infrastructure during this period. he would be calling the democrats' bluff on whether they can do two things at once. he'd be showing that he's the president that he says he is. keep going this way and look forward to more days like today, and this cannot be what you call winning. now, we can't let all this noise distract from other stories that you got to keep an eye on. we have a two-pronged bolo alert next. so ...how are you feeling? on a scale of one to five? one to five? it's more like five million. there's everything from happy to extremely happy. there's also angry. i'm really angry clive! actually, really angry.
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bolo. be on the lookout. i know there's a lot of noise and, look, impeachment matters and how the president is handling himself is going to take up a lot of oxygen because it's indicative of where we're going. but two potential areas of concern are also worth watching. markets and missiles. first, north korea. just a day after entering into an agreement with washington to resume nuclear talks, they did this. another missile test. a new type of ballistic missile fired, one that's medium-ranged, and designed to be launched from a submarine. it's the first time since 2017 the country has launched a medium range missile, heightening the threat to our allies and troops in the region. the president said nothing. then we have the markets. stocks closed lower today, finishing at a five-week low. dow down nearly 500 points. but the point is why, all right? yeah, you'll see the indexes. they posted one of the worst one-day drops since about
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august. but why? china threatened to impose more tariffs. this is about the president. he says the market is falling because of impeachment. there is no proof of that. you see no analysts on the street who are respected saying that. america's factories just suffered their worst month in a decade due in part to the ongoing trade war with china. keep an eye on this. it's of the president's making. "cnn tonight," d. lemon, right now. >> so this is what we need right now. this is what the president needs right now. you know what that is? >> sound of silence? >> yes. >> calm? >> he needs to sit in a room and just be quiet, and just be quiet because he is -- what's the word i want to -- i'm not a psychiatrist. i'm not going to say anything
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