ask your dermatologist about skyrizi. ♪ [ applause ] >> good evening. welcome to "the van jones show." tonight, we're in the midst of a historic political crisis and america is more divided and the chasm gets bigger every day. i know some democrats are feeling relief saying finally trump might get impeached, and they're happy about it. i'm sad about it and worried about the whole mess. america, we're in a lose-lose

scenario. democrats can't do nothing. trump can't keep dragging in foreign powers into the next election with no consequences at all. for instance, just this week trump stood on the white house lawn in front of god and everybody and said this -- >> china should start an investigation into the bidens. so i would say that president zelensky, if it were me, i would recommend that they start an investigation into the bidens. >> that's -- that's not a whistle-blower. that's not a transcript. that's not a text message. that's trump himself inviting two foreign powers to investigate his political rival. that is so bad. i mean, what, democrats now have to run against trump and foreign governments at the same time? if obama had tried that stunt he'd be locked up in guantanamo right now. something's got to give, but on the other hand, listen to me now, impeachment in the house is not going to solve the real problem. it's not going to keep us safe

from foreign interference in our election because the republicans still control the senate and chances are they're never going to kick trump out. so impeachment or no impeachment trump will still likely be president until at least 2021 and before, during or after any impeachment, trump can keep on trying to get help from overseas. this is a mess and impeachment is want going to solve it. i know people who are tired of hearing me talk about common ground and they don't want to hear about it. thank you, twitter. i get it. i know, but look, somebody has got to point out that the vast majority of americans in both parties still want us to have a fair election without foreign intervention. that is still common ground. so our strongest patriots in both parties should come together to build a wall around our elections. let's get creative. put up a bipartisan bill making it mandatory for campaigns to report foreign agents. make it a crime to accept ashs cystance in a u.s. election.

appoint an independent prosecutor to appoint the rules. sign this bill and we won't impeach you, but going forward anybody who breaks these rules is going to jail. see? problem solved. we get a fair election and let the best candidate win. that might sound like a daydream, i know, but the alternatives sound like a nightmare and i'm desperate and that's why tonight's show is about people i respect from all sides of the issue and first, i want to hear from you and i want to hear from two people from two very different democratic districts on impeachment. >> it's a tale of two congressional districts. one of them is new york's 14th district and represented by congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. >> is it time to move forward? >> i do. i personally do. >> less than 15 miles away, we go from bright blue to purple. president trump won that one by 15 points in 2016, but in 2018, they booted out the republican congressman in favor of a

newcomer, a democrat named max rose who only this week came out in favor of an impeachment inquiry. >> i will support and i will defend the united states' constitution. and it is for that reason that i intend to fully support this impeachment inquiry and follow the facts. >> so what about voters in these two districts? how far apart are their opinions on impeachment? well, first, we went to the georgia diner in elmhurst queens, that's aoc's district and the answers were mixed. >> he's a clear and present danger to american democrat see. he should be impeached. >> i think it's just a repeat of what happened with the mueller report. it's really just a fraud. >> i certainly support it. i think it's long overdue, but i think that donald trump and his presidency is a gross insult to everything that this country, america, stands for. >> even this table of friends could not agree. >> i'm for the impeachment.

>> i feel it's a waste of time. he's for it because he just doesn't like the president. >> he did try to influence foreign governments to dig into the politicians. that's not what we do. >> believe he's disrupting the nation, and he should continue at this pace to expose everybody. >> in max rose's district we went to owl's head park in bay bridge, brooklyn and opinions there were just as varied. >> i don't feel like impeachment is the answer. it's going to be more arguing, right? >> i think, yes, he definitely needs to be impeached and it's cut and dried and the imply k d implication, was really clear. you play ball with me, you get your money. you don't play ball with me, you don't get your money. >> until everything is put on the table, all of the evidence and people shouldn't rush to judgment. >> whether for or against, most

folks admit, ousting trump is going to be a long shot. >> he's not going to go anywhere. >> first of all, if he's impeached i don't think he'll be convicted in the senate because i don't think the republicans have the guts to do what's right and put country ahead of party. >> some worry that the open investigation could divide the country further. >> he hasn't committed any kind of a crime and ultimately it will all go away after a long process of bah loan thloney tha the american people. look how long the first investigation and the let the voters determine who they really believe. >> others say it's trump who is being divisive. >> we don't call him shifty schiff for nothing. he's a shifty, dishonest guy. >> and impeachment is a long time coming. >> the president is too divisive. he's talking about civil war. that's divisive. >> something needs to be done. i mean, i care about it deeply. i know lots of people who do.

i hope something -- i hope this is a turning point, but i'm -- there's a part of me that's cynical. we've watched people turn the other cheek now. he's been doing this since the day he was elected. they use the cliche you can walk and chew gum at the same time. i think they need to proceed judiciously and temperately around impeachment inquiry and procedures while simultaneously not foregoing addressing the needs the people have on a daily basis. >> congress has a right to oversight and to ensure accountability. at this point it's a matter of congress doing its duty. >> joining us to talk about impeachment and how it can affect the country is democratic congresswoman johanna hays from connecticut. she's a supporter of impeachment and she said she struggled to reach that decision. why did you struggle? you didn't run on impeachment and you said that's a big word to throw around. why were you struggling with

that? >> thanks for having me, van. you're right. i struggled. i was one of the last ones to come around in full support of impeachment and for me, because i'm a history teacher. because i know what the word means. because i know the implications of it, and people are talking about this in a republican and democratic way, no matter what happens our country is going to hurt, you know? >> yeah. >> even in the piece that we just heard the thing that is concerning for me, people are talking about the length of time it's going to take or, you know the divisiveness and what we're really getting away from. we are fundamentally changing the idea of what our democracy looks like by allowing this to continue. >> yeah. >> there's no celebration for me at all. >> there are other democrats in the house, a few, who still are holding out. they haven't gotten there yet. why do you think it is so hard for them? >> well, i think one of the things that we really have to be careful about. we're talking about this in terms of what it means towards

the next election. >> i know that coming out for impeachment makes me incredibly fragile, you know, in my district it's 50.1. i could very well lose this seat because of the decision that i made, but it's worth it. >> why? >> at some point you have to stand for something, you know, and i think that i have colleagues who came out a lot sooner than me because they had hit their breaking point. for me, the events of last week was my breaking point, and i think for some of my other colleagues they're thinking let's just continue to play it out and collect all of the evidence because what i accepted and what i realized the day after i elected i became the representative even for the people who didn't vote for me. so i have an obligation to hear their voices and give validity to hear their concerns and hear that. >> what more would you need to see or what more democrats would need to see who are still hesitant to say we need a full impeachment? >> you know, i don't eaven know. in the event of the last 24

hours i don't know where my colleagues are. we've been in direct communication and we've had several caucus calls since we left, but we're at a point where things are so self-evident and i don't want to rush to judgment and i'm still listening and learning, but my lion eyes are looking right at it and when people say what does the transcript say, and have you seen the whistle-blower complaint, no, but i've heard the president say i've made the call and this is what i said. if i can't take him at his word then the funny thing is i called for the inquiry, but i pray we're wrong. i hope we're wrong, because at the end of the day donald trump represents me. he represents this country. so if our president is operating in a way that we are, you know, when i step back and i thought about it and insert any president, but the idea that a sitting united states president

would withhold congressionally appropriated funds from a strategic partner in order to get dirt on his political opponent is just wrong. >> yes. have you talked to any of your republican colleagues since this all started happening and what are your republican colleagues saying to you publicly and privately? >> i have talked to some of my republican colleagues and they're just as concerned as i am. the thing that i struggle with is it really doesn't matter what you say to me privately if when we go on the floor you vote differently or speak publicly. there is nothing, i promise you, there is nothing that speaker pelosi could say to me or leader hoyer could say to me that would let me compromise my moral center and vote for something that i don't believe in. to say that i'm going to turn a blind eye and this is okay and as elected officials we have to hold anyone who holds office accountable and find the truth. the fact that people are turning

their head and saying -- >> that must be frustrating having people whispering in your ear saying ooh, child! >> all of the time walking in. >> at first i'm liss sxeng talking and at the end of the day, people sent us here to represent them, to do something. so if you truly -- if they were saying i believe that the president did nothing wrong and that's why i'm supporting this or saying this, that would be one thing, but if you're saying to me privately that you agree that something happened that should not have happened or that there is a need for investigation and then publicly you say something different that's completely different. >> yeah. the white house is saying that pelosi's wrong, though, for declaring an impeachment inquiry without having any vote. the white house wants all of you guys to take a vote, not just say for an impeachment inquiry, do you recognize the white house is right on that? >> the white house doesn't get to decide that. we have separate, but co-equal branches. the speaker of the house can initiate a process.

that process is not determined by the white house. that's just the way our government works. the president can't say to the speaker, this is what i want you to do before we do this. there is a process and impeachment starts in the house. the speaker of the house -- it's up to the speaker of the house to decide what that looks like. >> what is your message? you have a lot of americans, some super pro impeachment and some love the president and some don't. here's someone who has been very, very thoughtful. what is your message to america as we move further down the line with the process. >> this is not about president trump. this is not whether or not you like or don't like president trump, you know? i was someone who did not support president trump, did not vote for him, but the day after the election he became my president. we don't have a process for -- once he was certified he becomes the president. so now for people kind of put a flag down based on their feelings about president trump i think is wrong. if we truly believe that our national security was compromised then we have a responsibility to act, so i would say to people, just be

civil, be cautious. you know, there were some people who from day one decided that this is how they feel and i think there are a lot of other people who are still deeply concerned, you know, very somber, very just hesitant to proceed and we have to respect that, as well, because at the end of the day we all have to heal together. so my message would just be to proceed with caution. >> yeah. >> to be civil and not celebrate this because there's nothing to be celebrated here. >> i think you're speaking to a lot of people and i appreciate you for being here. listen, coming up, i want to find out how the impeachment talks are playing in the red states and why so many republicans seem to rally behind trump pretty much no matter what. we'll get insight from a close ally of the president who is also a friend of mine. republican governor of mississippi phil bryant will be here when we come back. how do you make red lobster's endless shrimp even hotter? you bring back nashville hot!

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[ applause ] all right now. new polls show impeachment is becoming more and more popular and more americans are in favor of impeaching trump than they were in favor of impeaching bill clinton and richard nixon at similar points of the journey. on the flipside, among republicans trump remains extremely popular. why is the party still so supportive of trump. i want you to welcome to "the van jones show," the governor of mississippi my good friend phil

bryant. >> good to be here, my man. >> one of the reasons why i wanted to have you here because you are a governor and you're a strong conservative, ruby red, mississippi, but you're someone who has reached out to the poor and worked on criminal justice and you're a bridge builder and a very close friend of president trump. so you are a very important, i think, person. i look at you and you're a law and order guy. how do you as a law and order guy evaluate some of the stuff that trump is admitting to and talking about publicly and how do you look at it from your point of view. >> i've thought about this, as a former law enforcement officer or as a governor, but what i was wanting to do is how do the people feel? >> yes. >> people in mississippi love donald trump because of what he's done. we've had tornadoes. we've had over 75 tornado, destroyed communities. the president is so quick to respond with individual assistance to help those that

have been in trouble. just last week, tuesday, dr. ben carson came and we were reaching out to those depressed communities through the opportunities that the president helped create and support it. i look at the prison system that's down 16%. so people who were in prison for some drug crimes and non-violent offenses as you and i worked on are back in communities and they're serving. we see the good things and low unemployment and the lowest it's been in 50 years. >> you see him through the prism of he's been there for you and what's happened. >> what's really going on. >> when we look, though, and we see he's asking foreign powers to come in, you know, as a patriot that's got to rub you the wrong way. >> yeah. >> here's what we think about that, when president obama ben s over to president medvedev tell vladimir this is my last

election and i'll be more flexible. >> that's different than saying coming in here and come investigate and come in here and be a part of our democracy. in other words, i think it's important. >> is it different from sending a plane load of cash and gold to iran and -- now they're such good partners with us. that worked out so well. >> gotcha. >> i'm telling you how conservatives feel. >> i think it's important for cnn viewers to hear it because on our side it's pretty cut and dry and it's pretty clear, but my thing is you're a dad, you're a granddad. >> sure. >> when i said here is something bad that trump did you told me five bad things that obama did. as a dad, you can't -- when one kid says you did that, they can't blame johnny. what about the things that he has done? >> the problem is that a lot of people in america and particularly conservatives have lost confidence who is investigating this adam schiff

and nancy pelosi? are we supposed to believe what we hear when adam schiff is saying when he made up the words, he read made-up words before a congressional hearing as chairman and then said that's just a parody. are you all shocked by that? >> so you don't like what schiff said, but trump came out himself -- we can take schiff, trump couple out himself and said what he said. do you agree with him that it's okay to bring in the foreign powers? >> no. i don't think it's good bringing a foreign power and i'm not going to speak for the president, but i believe the president has seen what he believes to be corruption time and time again. we trust attorney general barr. we trust him and his justice department. if -- if barr, and if we can get confidence in that group, and if they came out and said we looked at it. we looked at the rights that the president had, we followed the beyond reasonable doubt standard

as we would in a court of law. we wouldn't allow hearsay in a court of law. that's what we're waiting on is a credible prosecutor or credible voice to come out. >> look, i -- part of the reason i wanted to have this conversation is that i think that we are almost living in different worlds. the media system that you're in and the kinds of things that are concerning to you and the kinds of things -- are almost separate and apart, and i think it's very scary because, look, as you know i've been critical of democrats as well as republicans. >> i know. >> and so, as we're sitting here talking, my concern is just this. right is right and wrong is wrong. >> right. >> we've almost gotten to the point where it feels if my side does it i'm going to excuse it. if your side does it i'll give you hell. that to me is very, very concerning. do you feel a similar kind of tribalism? >> i do, but not so much in mississippi, and i just saw

congresswoman hayes, a little bit of her talking. what a wonderful spirit. we've got to come together as reasonable people and talk through this and see where does the evidence lead us? when it finally came out when richard nixon said it's okay to pay burglars to break into the democratic headquarters we said that's it. that's a crime. >> this is the heartbreak for me is that we do now have the president saying things. we don't have to rely on schiff and we don't have to rely on barr. i like schiff a lot better than you like schiff, and you like barr a lot better than i like barr. >> you like barr and i like schiff and we have one president and that's trump. china come in, ukraine come in, and my thing is i don't want see trump as a great champion against corruption. would you accept -- if obama had come out there on the white

house lawn and said i want kenya and china to investigate romney, would you have felt good about it or bad about it? >> if you -- i can show you on fox news -- >> it's fox news. >> and people on my side don't trust anything that's said on cnn. that's the other problem. >> it's a problem. >> when we used to watch walter cronkite and he said that's the way it is, that's the way it was. nobody came in for eight hours after that and said let me tell you how corrupt this guy is, and look, i'm troubled by that even my friends on fox news. watch your language. i don't think i would call people cowards and shifty and terms like that. >> i think you and i could fire facts back and worth at each other and probably depress everybody. >> to the question is does it appear the president broke the law? >> yes. >> i think there are legal standards, and i've seen some very good attorneys on television, some very good attorneys.

i'm not one. >> right. >> my daughter is one. >> she's a great one. >> she's a great lawyer, but i've seen very good attorneys on television say we don't think this rises to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors. if i could and others have a very thorough investigation of this outside of what we see on opinion tv, i think we can come to's rational conclusion and i want to look at what the federal law says and that's a burden of the federal law and did the president's actions meet the burden of that law and that's beyond a reasonable doubt. that's pretty heavy for anybody and should be, too, when you're trying to impeach and convict the president of the united states. >> why is there that level of devotion to a president trump? how does a billionaire have such a strong connection? i think that's something that people -- >> i think of his attitude and his demeanor, the way he approaches people. i've seen him in crowds.

he can connect with working-class folks and the great, forgotten americans. we look at him and say that he understood that there was a whole vast part of this nation that was being overlooked. >> yeah, when we said we really care about our religious freedoms and they would say we don't really care what you think. we say we care about the second amendment. we don't care what you think. we care what our children would be exposed to in the media and on the internet. we really worry about that and they said don't worry about that. it will be okay. >> those are the positive things and i do think that people -- look, and i grew up in tennessee so i understand a lot of those things even though i'm passionate on your side and you're passionate on your side, and we worked hard for people who have been locked up, thrown away and left out and you were able to get president trump to support the effort to help people behind bars, et cetera. just talk a little bit about why you care so much as a lot of people in the cnn audience might

be shocked, you have a hard working, conservative mississippi governor, former law enforcement and who got trump to be supportive of helping people behind bars. >> because i was in law enforcement. i have seen young men, when i was a narcotics officer, we would routinely put 19, 20-year-olds in jail for possession of marijuana and paraphernalia, and as i got older in looking at my children and brand children and i said those kid, they were kid, those college kids went to the penitentiary for possessing marijuana which is now legal in a lot of states ask times hand changed and it bothered me that i had been a part of that and at the population in mississippi we were at the top and we had more people in jail than anybody else and that's not where i want to be. so i started working across the lines and the democratic friends and they're truly friends and we met at the governor's mansion and we talked about where we

could meet and find common ground. in 2013 we passed a sweeping criminal justice reform and we lowered the criminal population 16% and i can put that in healthcare, education and transportation. so when they said, can you come talk to the president. he's your father-in-law. he said, he'll listen to you. you come talk to him and we met at bed minister golf club and we had a meeting that day and just as we were off in the corner talking i just said, mr. president, you're the only president that can do this because in reality if president obama had asked for this, many conservatives would have jumped up. he wants to let everybody out of jail. so i knew when the president and i did it we had a shot and you and i worked together and we had a lot of folks in the faith-based communities and the law enforcement that came forward and i would go back to the white house and talk to the prosecutor's association and talk to the police chief's association and we got that and that's what i see about

president reagan when they said he's a white supremist -- >> president trump. >> you saw the men and women on the stage that day. the lady in the balcony during the state of the union address, that's not the actions of a white supremist that says i want to -- and let's face it, many of the inmates that are coming out that have newfound freedoms are african-americans. white supremist would not want to let african-americans out of jail. >> we chave to get to a point t disagree without disrespecting and go to the battleground and hold each other's hands and hold each other accountable. i appreciate what you've done. we have to figure out how to take that spirit of cooperation to bigger and better places and we need one standard for presidents and the patriotism i feel is that, you know, we need to protect our elections. >> every day.

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[ applause ] all right. this impeachment fight feels long overdue for some liberals who have been simmering with anger with trum for a long time. there's been outrage going back to the muslim travel ban and children in cages at the border and the list goes on. how did all of that contribute to where we are today? my next guest has insight. please welcome to "the van jones show," she's the auth aror of a book called "good and mad," and there is a big rally coming up for impeachment. i know some people were calling for impeachment. they won. do you feel that something has

change? do you feel there is a different urgency. >> first and foremost, donald trump has committed impeachable offenses countless times since he sat in office and the people i've talked to across the country have felt disillusioned that we feel a lack of leadership from those in congress who are our elected representatives and they're not doing their job to hold him accountable and there's a mounting pressure. we saw that in the 2018 cycle when many, many new voters rushed to the polls who vote in more leadership and more and more members have come out in support of impeachment and they've done that because of the mounting pressure they've received from their constituents. >> let's talk about that. >> you talk about this book "good and mad." you focus the righteous anger of women in the political system and how does that play into this

dynamic. >> it's an incredibly rich history. when you look at any political or social movement that has changed the power structure in this moment, most of the things we're proud of, abolition, suffrage, the gay rights movement, you can find angry women at the start of those movements. >> i see heads nodding. and if you look back at this present moment it extends beyond the trump administration, and look at black lives matter, and the pipeline protest, and occupy wall street and me too which started in 2006, right? there are roots of fury at power imbalance coming from those who start with less power and of course, we know and you mentioned, from the moment that donald trump is elected you see an explosion of a new wave of fuhry and that's the women's march and the protest against the muslim ban and the pressure applied to congress to not repeal obamacare in 2017 and one of the other forms it took was

electoral energy, civic engagement and that meant a historic number of women and a historic number of women of color and first-time candidates running for office and huge numbers of active and engaged women and men, but many of them women who were out registering voters and knocking door, canvassing and all of that was to an end, right? it was to gain some of that power that has been so unequally distributed and it worked. it got a democratic majority in the house and then that power is the ability to perform oversight which is in its moment, in this moment taking the form of impeachment. so you actually see the anger of many people, men and women, but a hell of a lot of angry women turning into a coalition to change how power works. >> so you describe a really great history of this building, building force of anger. anger goes both directions. are you concerned about the backlash and the pushback?

>> trump has a base of people that will be angry one way or the other and what this comes down to right now, new group is with rashida talib in march when she announced an impeachment inquiry and i agree 100% with what she said on that day which is i would be doing the same exact thing if a democrat would have done what donald trump was doing. this for me and millions of americans should not be a democrat or republican issue and the very fact that the mainstream conversation is mostly weighing in on how this will play in the 2020 election, i think, honestly makes me not only scared, but also angry. this should be about our constitution and the highest ideals of our country. are we going to come together as a country and enforce the rules on to everybody or is donald trump going to continue to get away with breaking the law and trampling the rights of millions of americans? >> your question about backlash, donald trump is the backlash. he's not the only backlash. the rise of the republican party of the past four decades is the

backlash to the social movements of the mid-20th century and the civil rights and the expansion of voting rights. look, the republican party appointed judges and gutted voting rights act in 2013. the expansion of reproductive rights. there's a case that was accepted by the supreme court that may well overturn roe versus wade. >> you're not worried that president trump would have president trump impeached and acquitted in the senate and now a martyr running? >> i am worried about so much. i am -- yes because terrible things are happening. children are separated from their family and their parents, people are killed by police, women are dying, black maternity mortality rates are through the roof, there is a yawning economic gap between the rich and everybody else. i'm worried about so much, but the thing i can't be worried about right now is that we don't do the correct thing, the patriotic thing because we are so scared of a backlash that

already got us here. >> well -- [ applause ] tell me about the article that you just wrote about the me too movement, another major transformative movement in our country that is facing backlash. ? in new york magazine, we just published an incredibly wrenching package being looking at what has happened to the women and men who came forward to ask what their lives have been like since they came forward with charges of harassment and assault against powerful people and corporations because there's so much emphasis placed on what's happened to the very often powerful men who have been accused. can they go out in public? where do they eat dinner? will they ever get their jobs back and this great moral question? can we grow and forgive them and evolve and we very rarely ask the questions about the people who brought the stories forward and the stories themselves are

really hard because almost everyone who has come forward has paid a price, has had their professional life altered and friendships and familial relationships relationships changed and faced retaliation and paid high legal cost and yet in the spirit of this fight for a better future, for a more just future, many of them also say that they would do it again. that it was worth it. >> listen, i want to thank both of you. nothing good happens by accident in any society. nothing good happens for women, poor people, or people of color and nothing happens for justice or for peace without people taking a risk and both of you guys are in that category and i appreciate you. thank you very much for being here. it means a lot to have you here. president trump openly asked china and ukraine to investigate a potential political rival, and now there's a reason that americans are concerned about foreign influence in our elections for centuries and that problem has still gone on to this guy and i'll explain why

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[ applause ] all right. now. this week president vladimir putin made light of the political crisis we're having in the united states and he actually joked that russia might

interfere in the 2020 election and mockingly whispered just don't tell anyone. that's not funny. as i said i'm very concerned about trump and his allies openly talking about this kind of stuff. less tone pence defending trump asking the ukrainians to investigate the bidens. >> i think the american people have a right to know if the vice president of the united states or his family profited from his position as vice president during the last administration. >> okay. it feels like we need a refresher course why foreign interference is a big problem so take a look. >> if a foreign government comes to you as a public official and offers to help your campaign the right answer is no. >> foreign interference in u.s. elections is something everybody should be worried about. >> up until recently it seemed like everyone was. >> foreign donors cannot participate in the american political process. >> in fact, it's been a concern

since our country's birth. our nation's founders were secretly worried about the foreign intervention. working with a foreign government would be considered a high crime or misdemeanor. james madison argued it was indispensable that some provision be made for defending a country. foreign governments have repeatedly tried to influence u.s. elections. ahead of the 1796 election the u.s. was worried about interference from france. french officials were working to oust federalists like alexander hamilton in favor of republicans like thomas jefferson because they were more supportive of france's war with britain. george washington said in his farewell address, foreign influence is one of the most

baneful foes of republican government. british intelligence flooded u.s. newspapers with fake stories. their goal was to defeat politicians who didn't want the u.s. to get pulled into world war ii. meanwhile, nazi officials also funneled propaganda to american newspapers in hopes of stopping fdr's re-election. obviously, they failed. ♪ >> ahead of the 1968 election, richard nixon was running against then-vice president hubert humphrey. at the time the johnson administration was trying to make a deal with vietnam to end the war. nixon's campaign secretly tried to convince the vietnam government to walk away from peace talks to make johnson and humphrey look incompetent. nixon would win the presidency by less than a percentage point. and, of course, there's a big winner of our 2016 election,

vladimir putin. it exacerbated the vision and discord around our election and we're still dealing with the fallout and seeing new attempts from interference from russia. >> i made a call, the call was perfect. >> very another country manufacture dirt on his opponent, it is hard to imagine a more fundamental abuse of that office. >> remember what george washington said in his farewell george washington said in his farewell address. against the insidious wiles of foreign influence the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake. up next an extraordinary moment of forgiveness. this hug is making some people hopeful and some people uncomfortable. i'll give you my takeaway when we get back. oh yeah - it's back. crispy shrimp... ...tossed in a spicy rub... ...and drizzled with sweet amber honey. more shrimp more ways. endless shrimp's just fifteen ninety nine.

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>> this week a black man forgave and even hugged the white cop who murdered his brother. look at this. >> i don't know if this is possible but can i give her a hug, please? >> now, this extraordinary gesture created a tidal wave of mixed emotions. after all, the crime was almost

unforgiveable. the officer went to the wrong home and then rather than ducking for cover and calling for backup like she is supposed to she shot a guy sitting there eating ice cream in his own apartment. the sentence totally unfair, ten years? she'll probably serve five. i work with people serving 40 years for drug offenses where nobody got hurt. you know, kill a black guy, get at most ten years in jail, and a hug. all right. do you actually think a black guy could shoot an innocent white woman in her own home and then get ten years and a hug from her family and a white judge? you know, it just doesn't feel right. and yet, i don't want to lose the beauty here. if this man can forgive this woman under these circumstances, the rest of us really need to look in the mirror. politics has become a blood sport. social media is infested with called out culture and cancel culture. nobody gives anybody a break anymore. we do see in the black community an almost super human capacity

for grace and forgiveness. during our enslavement and racial terrorism under jim crow rather than fall into a black hole of bitterness, the black church created a spiritual home that emphasizes love and hope and forgiveness. now that kind of grace should not be taken for granted. instead it is time for it to be reciprocated. let's see a lot more white judges hugging black defendants. let's see white jurors giving black people a break. don't just applaud this young man's example, america, if you like it, follow his example. thank you. i'm van jones. this is the van jones show. peace and love for one another. [ applause ] (johnson) what is going on in here! i can't hear myself think! (grover) what does it look like, sir? i am here to help you with your water heater. (johnson) oh! [sighs defeatedly] (grover) do not worry sir. i also fix cars! [johnson groans] (bert) grover is a monster of many talents!

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