pay. >> i thought it was an orange. >> as marie antoinette never said, let them eat impeach cake. >> how did she manage to eat that thing? >> thanks for joining us. anderson starts right now. good evening. we begin with breaking news on the whistle-blower, now one of two and what we're learning about the extreme measures being considered to safeguard his or her identity should they testify before the house intelligence committee. this individual's complaint is of course what started this impeachment inquiry. even though the law is designed to protect those who come forward from retaliation, this is in a different league altogether as apparently are some of these security precautions being considered. sunday l sunday land serfaty is with us. >> reporter: the committee and the lawyers for the whistle-blower all to protect the identity of the whistle-blower when and if he or

she ultimately decides to come forward and speak before the committee. there are a whole host of options being considered, things like masking this person's image. masking their identity. potentially going off site away from capitol hill to hold this briefing in a secure room off capitol hill. and also limiting the number of people in the room and who's in the room, potentially limiting it between staff and members of the house. so a lot of things being sorted out right now. and, of course, again, underscore the security and the identity of this whistle-blower is protected and a source tells cnn tonight a democratic source in the house intelligence committee says this was all prompted because of concerns that republicans on the committee could leak the whistle-blower's identity. >> is there any sense of a time line for the whistle-blower to testify? >> not yet. these discussions have been underway for quite some time now. since initially when the whistle-blower complainant had

come forward and beyond just sorting out of logistics of how this could happen, a big thing that they're working through right now according to sources is that the whistle-blower's attorney, they are still trying to get the appropriate security clearance to make sure that when and if this happens that they can be by the side of their client. anderson. >> thank you very much. as this is happening, many republicans are scrambling to excuse the behavior at the heart of the whistle-blower complaint. ohio republican senator rob portman telling the columbus dispatch, i quote, the president should not have raised the biden issue on that call, period. it's not appropriate for a president to engage an issue with a public opponent. others are calling it outlandish claims including this was all the president having a laugh at the public's expense or media's expense starting with marco

rubio. >> i don't know if that's a real request or him needling the press knowing that you are going to get outraged by it. >> do you think it's appropriate for president trump to ask china and ukraine to investigate joe biden. >> george, you think he was serious that china is going investigate the biden family? >> he said it right there. >> i doubt the china comment was serious to tell you the truth. >> you don't take the president at his word? >> no. the president loves to go out on the white house driveway -- i have to talk to him about this. i don't know what the president was thinking but i know he loves to bait the press and he does that almost every day to see what you'll talk about. >> keep in mind, the notion that the president is a gerrate humorist is laughable. during the campaign the president asked russia if they were listening to look into hillary clinton's emails. hours later russian operatives began to do that. as for it being a joke, we already know he asked ukraine to

do just that and it was on a private call that was never meant to go public. that was no joke to bait the press. how about the pressure campaign for months leading up to that call at the end of july involving his tv lawyer rudy giuliani. was that part of the gag? giuliani may be amusing but it's not intentional on his part. how about the text messages between diplomats discussing the elements of what one believed to be a quid pro quo. are republicans going to say that was part of the comedy windup? as for the great gag by the jokester in chief, take a look at what the president said on camera and decide for yourself whether he's joking, baiting the press or merely restating what he told ukraine's president he wanted all along. >> well, i would think that if they were honest about it, they'd start a major investigation into the bidens. it's a very simple answer. likewi likewise, china should start an investigation into the bidens

because what happened to china is just about as bad as what happened with ukraine. >> did that seem like a joke to you? if it was, it was a real knee slapper. it seemed pretty clear and direct unlike the answers yesterday from wisconsin senator ron johnson on nbc. before i show you the exchange with chuck todd, senator johnson told the wall street journal last week that the possibility of a ukraine quid pro quo made him wince. years ago he publicly advocated along with vice president joe biden for the removal of that ukrainian prosecutor who they claim was inappropriately forced out by joe biden. sar senator johnston sure changed his tune. >> i've never seen a present administration be sabotaged from the day after the election. never seen no measure of honeymoon whatsoever. what president trump's had to

endure, false accusation -- by the way, you've got john brennan on. you ought to ask director brennan what did peter struck mean when he texted lisa page on december 15th, 2016, quote -- >> senator -- >> no, no, chuck, let me finish. >> this has to do with ukraine. >> scorn and -- >> what does this have to do with ukraine? >> there are a lot of unanswered questions. i want the truth. the american people want the truth. >> do you not trust the fbi? you don't trust the cia? >> no. no, i don't. >> i'm confused here. >> well, so much double talk and double standards it's hard not to be confused. it's always good when somebody has what they want to say already written out is actually reading off it when they're being interviewed on tv. senator richard blumenthal joins us. first of all, this reporting on the extreme measures that are being considered to protect the whistle-blower, how real is the danger of this whistle-blower

being revealed to you? >> the danger is very real and urgent. protecting whistle blowers is a long established practice. i have worked with senator grassley. it's been bipartisan. i'm seeking to protect whistle blowers in other situations and through legislation, other means. and protecting this whistle-blower is particularly urgent because of the president's threats. >> not just -- not just for the safety of this person, this person's career, but as a message to other potential whistle blowers out there in the future that you will be protected if you come forward. if you can't protect this person, then it sends a chilling effect, i would imagine, on the rest. >> speaking truth to power takes courage and protecting whistle blowers is absolutely essential to stopping waste and fraud in government but also to deterring retaliation and retribution which is all too common. >> when you hear, you know, some of your fellow senators, members of congress saying, oh, well the president was joking when he called on china and the ukraine to investigate the bidens, i

mean, there is no evidence that there's any humor in this president on this subject at all. >> anybody listening to the president finds it anything but laughable when the president of the united states invites interference by a foreign government in our election or sells out our national security as he was doing then, as he did in the conversation with the ukrainian president and, frankly, as he did when he welcomed russian interference in our election in 2014 when he was a candidate. that is hardly laughable. it is deadly serious and that's the reason why the focus on in fact this abuse of power and offense against the constitution is so important in moving the impeachment proceeding forward. >> it seems like that idea, oh, he's joking, which i guess i first heard it from rubio, then from jordan seemed to go along with it, now blunt does, it seems like, you know, the other

possibilities are either, well, it's fine what the president said, asking for pressure of a regime like china who is not known for fair, investigative powers, or it's not okay. there's no -- those are the two answers that are possible. they've made up this oh, it was a joke because it spares them from having to choose one or the other real answer. >> the silence of my republican colleagues is absolutely unsustainable and inexcusable. they can no longer rely on these bogus debunk conspiracy theories on the one hand or dismissive sayings that it's laughable or unserious on the part of the president. look at the transcript, the president's own words, in talking to the ukrainian president inviting, soliciting him to interfere in our elections, to dig up dirt on a political opponent and then to

talk about it in the way that he did in that clip about china. that kind of talk is a grave threat to our national security. interference in our elections. and also the failure to take action against him will embolden those tactics and embolden our adversaries. >> is it pure and simple fear on the part of those members of congress who have remained psy sflent because -- silent? i mean, i suppose one on one many would say something different than -- i'm sure they're not silent one on one. >> there is no love for donald trump on the part of many of my republican colleagues and there is severe disdain for him and growing -- >> you hear that? people say that to you? >> absolutely, in the conversations i have with many of my republican colleagues. there is growing fear for our democracy in the polarization, in the divisions that donald trump is enhancing and deepening

but they, on the other hand, fear his potential opposition of them in a republican primary. that's the rubicon they have to cross. their silence is unsustainable. history is going to judge them partially. the voters will. this decision, whatever it is, on the future of the president will haunt them. >> you say it's unsustainable for them to remain silent or acquiesce. why do you think it's unsustainable? if president trump gets re-elected then certainly they will be rewarded for their silence. >> i think it's unsustainable as a matter of conscience. i think it's also unsustainable politically, but in terms of their duty, the reason they are in these jobs and their oath of office, it is unsustainable in a matter of conscience. >> do you -- i mean, do you believe though in this day and age there is a lot of people who still have a conscience in that sense and would sacrifice their

job or risk -- run the risk of being primaried. >> i have to believe people continue to have a conscience in these jobs but i also think they will begin to see shifts in the american public. you know, i -- >> and that's what it's going to take, shifts in the american public and then that gives them the cover/courage to then move along? >> that's what eventually moved the republicans in watergate, the sense that the american public seismically and tectonically was moving against them and their positions were no longer sustainable. i think the same phenomenon is going to happen here, and i sense it as i go around my state. i talk to colleagues who are seeing this shift in their states and that's why you see senator portman saying, as he did, i have no hope that it's going to happen without additional confirming

corroborating evidence before the house, but i'm still hoping it will. >> senator blumenthal, appreciate your time. >> thank you. coming up, the president has just weighed in on this. live report from the white house and what the president said about the second whistle-blower who apparently has direct knowledge. beto o'rourke on this, impeachment and what some have interned as criticism of joe biden. we'll be right back. do you have concerns about mild memory loss related to aging? prevagen is the number one pharmacist-recommended

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that was one of the newer lines of attack i suppose if you want to call it that or newer lines of defense. the president went on to say that, you know, he doesn't understand how he could be even thought of in terms of impeachment inquiries at this point when he says he's doing such a good job. that, of course, is not going to work for democrats who are going to continue this impeachment inquiry. anderson, keep in mind. one of the things we've been hearing from the white house in the past few days is a couple of things. one is that the president was just joking when he was talking the other day about china investigating joe biden. that obviously flies in the face of when the president originally made that remark. he sounded very serious when he was talking about not only china but ukraine investigating joe biden and larry cud lokudlow ca and said he didn't know whether or not the president was joking. one thing that is for sure, anderson, is more and more republicans are coming out to say they're concerned about this. rob portman, the ohio senator

from the republican party came out today and said that he didn't think it was appropriate for the president to make that kind of request of the ukrainians during his phone call. he said it doesn't rise to the level of impeachment at this point. >> all the subpoenas coming from the house investigation, white house, pentagon, rudy giuliani. any reason to believe they're going to comply? >> reporter: well, i think at this point it does remain to be seen. anderson, one of the things we've been looking for is whether or not the white house was going to carry out this threat to fire off a letter to house speaker nancy pelosi to say you need to have a formal vote on impeachment before we cooperate and hand over information. we were expecting the letter to come on friday, then monday. it should come tomorrow. there's no ironclad guarantee we'll see that letter. one of the things you'll be hearing moving forward, anderson, we heard it from the president last week, all he hear it from his defenders this week,

they were cooperative during the russia investigation. they'll be cooperative during this inquiry. that flies in the face of the facts. as you and i know, the white house has been dragging its feet and did drag its feet during the russia investigation. never offered the president up to the mueller team for in-person interview. they had to settle for written answers to questions. there's no reason to believe that this current team that's around the president advising him on impeachment will act otherwise. >> jim acosta, thank you so much. whatever the president said tonight, the white house put nobody on the sunday news shows, no one. we on the other hand have three political analysts. david gur begin, kirsten powers and jim bernstein. you heard him describe the atmosphere in the white house. he fumed all weekend on twitter. do you see any coherent strategy coming together here? >> reporter: no, i wouldn't call it a coherent strategy.

i think that -- but i do think the president tends to operate very well in chaos so he creates a lot of chaos. and i think that he maybe on some level and mick mulvaney said they believe somehow this is going to come down to the advantage of the president because it's going to be bad for the democrats to be impeaching donald trump. >> david, do you think that's true? i mean, is mulvaney right? >> no, i don't think so. listen, the administration basically is throwing up one argument after another to see what sticks, what works. they're not searching for the truth. they're not trying to conduct an investigation which most white houses would do. rather, they're just looking for an argument that somehow they can convince enough people to keep the president's base together. and that's why i think the rest of the country is looking at this saying, that's just nonsense. ideally one other thing, anderson, in terms of people coming out who are heavy weights, it was important that

colin powell came out and told republicans they need to get a grip, his party. you need to get a grip on all of this. then the peter baker story in "the new york times" today where he went back and interviewed ten past chiefs of staff for president stretching back to ragan, every single one said they would never have ever done anything like this. they rejected these kind of calls when they occasionally came up and they all saw it as wrong. >> carl, i mean, now that the second whistle-blower has apparently come forward who -- i mean, according to the reporting has direct knowledge of some of the things that the first whistle-blower only had secondhand knowledge of, do you see that changing anything? >> well, i think it's going to be both dramatic and he is going to have apparently firsthand knowledge of what transpired here. i think that what all of this becomes more and more is considerable evidence building that we have a fundamentally

corrupt president who is a danger to the national security, has underminded our democratic system and is increasingly unstable. i know that many republicans are looking at this and are aware of a good part of that equation if not all of that. whether they will ever say it aloud is something else. and i think there are people in the white house who recognize that there are republicans who are aware of all of the things that i just said on an evidentiary level. and that's where we're heading in a kind of really unprecedented crisis when you put all those elements together. remember, that the president's closest national security advisors, mattis, mcmaster, kelly, others, tillerson all left saying to others that the president of the united states is a threat to our own national security and we're seeing it, including what we saw with turkey today. >> kirsten, that's what's interesting about the rubio, jim

jordan blunt line about this being a joke, that the president wasn't serious about asking china, this was kind of tweaking reporters. a, it just -- there's no evidence whatsoever that this was a joke in any form and, in fact, this president does not tell jokes or is not a person who has a -- much of a sense of humor or even smiles that much. but even if it was a joke, the joke is predicated on be the notion that it would be so wrong and absurd for the president of the united states to ask china to investigate the bidens that it couldn't possibly be real, it has to be a joke, but, i mean, all the evidence points to it being real and, therefore, by their own logic they think that is wrong and inappropriate. >> well, we know they think it's wrong and inappropriate because when the accusations was made about russia, any kind of operating with another country, that was completely out of the question and it would never happen. they definitely keep sort of

changing the rules of the game, and i think that they -- they don't know what to do because i think they do recognize that this is wrong. there's no question that they know this is wrong. so they have to come up with some answer. the best they can do is he's joking, even though -- i mean, what about -- it doesn't -- like you said it doesn't make any sense in the fact that he's not known because of being a jokester, it's not really funny. there's that. and then also doesn't the president of the united states have anything to do other than trying to tweak the media? the whole argument isn't believable. they feel like they're caught between and rock and a hard place. >> stick around. we're going to take a short break. also, members of president trump's re-election team gathered on a conference call aimed at shoring up support in terms of his callings for impeachment.

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the word tonight from president trump, he said he is not worried about a second whistle-blower. members of president trump's re-election team held a conference call alongside the republican national committee where national polls show increased support for impeachment were discredited and new supporters are showing democrats are heading down the wrong path. david, the republican talking point that the president was joking when he asked two separate foreign powers to investigate biden. >> thank you. yes. it may be a joke to republican senators. it is not being treated as a joke in china. financial times has reported today both out of washington and out of china that this is further complicated the trade

talks that are underway. u.s. and china are already far apart on the trade talks, but it reports that there's a real pause over those talks and there is no agreement. this will have an impact on the economic policy, growth, and could threaten the president if the economy craters and the stock market goes down sharply because of trade talks. >> david, if that is the case, if this affects the trade talks, you can make a direct line then, i mean, americans being harmed, by lack of progress in trade talks to the president's desire to investigate the bidens. i mean, if his calls to have china investigate the bidens has trade ramifications, that ends up hurting american citizens. >> i -- i think that's absolutely right. it does seem to me that there are repercussions from this whole controversy that are damaging the u.s. everywhere. in many, many countries because -- especially after the

decision on pulling back the troops precipitously out of syria today, which shocked so many was not cleared with our alli allies. once again on many different fronts, other nations are seeing this as serious, not a joke. when the attorney general to the united states goes globe trotting around to places like italy to try to get dirt. when the president is talking to the head of australia. when you have all of the other countries involved it is not a joke. >> carl, when you look at the way the president is attacking mitt romney, it's not surprising that more republicans haven't come forward. >> i don't know that that's the reason, the way he's attacked romney. i think that republicans recognize that this president is the president of his base and that that base is very large and that they are in fear of that base and what that base could do to their own election prospects, but i think there's another element here. i want to go back to the whistle-blower or both whistle

blowers in this case and that is what the president said about the first whistle-blower when he mentioned that he was a spy -- he or she was a spy and what we used to do to spies and he was guilty of treason. a kind of threat that is so dark and dangerous, and now the committee of congress is trying to figure out how to protect this whistle-blower for real fears that republicans might reveal his identity to the white house and others, which will show you where we have gone in this. one of the great dangers here is that the president perceives no question that these whistle blowers have witnessed things, especially perhaps the second whistle-blower, that have yet to be revealed and he's reacting as someone who knows there is more coming. that's speculative to some extent. i think it's also based, what i have just said, on some people

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american troops from the region of syria. if the troops do leave, turkey would be free to launch military operations against the kurds. after a signing ceremony the white house claimed his decision was not intended to favor anyone. >> i'm not siding with anybody. we've been in syria for many years. you know, syria was supposed to be a short-term hit, just a very short-term hit. we were supposed to be in and out. that was many, many years ago. >> still, even some of the president's most resolute supporters say the planned withdrawal is flat wrong. mitch mcconnell said it would only benefit russia, iran and the assad regime. senator lindsey graham, a staunch supporter told fox news in a phone interview that withdrawal was, quote, shortsighted and irresponsible. nikki haley was even stronger on

twitter tweeting, quote, we must always have the backs of our allies if we expect them to have our back. the kurds were instrumental in our success. #turkey is not our friend. joining me now, retired army lieutenant ralph peaters. colonel peters, you just heard the president say he's, quote, not siding with anybody. he claims he told turkey's president, erdogan, that there would be, quote, trouble if anything, quote, outside of what we think is humane happens. can the kurds count on that? >> no, of course not. the president, unfortunately, he lies like a little boy caught stealing from his mom's purse. when you unilaterally withdraw the u.s. forces, the trip wire forces protecting the best allies we have ever had in the middle east outside of israel at the behest of islamist desperate

who despises the united states and wants to slaughter our best allies, then i'd say you're taking sides, anderson. >> the president tweeted today in part, as i've stated strongly before, just to reiterate, if turkey does anything that i in my great and unmatched wisdom consider to be off limits, i will totally destroy and obliterate the economy of turkey. i've done before. i mean, how do you even respond to that? i mean, the idea that -- i don't know of anybody who does have great and unmatched wisdom ever saying they have great and unmatched wisdom. >> i feel like we're on "saturday night live" but, my god, in my unmatched wisdom, you can't believe a word trump says and he was surprised by the backlash. i mean, clearly on a phone call, trump lives in the moment. erdogan called him. trump did what erdogan told him to do, convinced it was the

right thing to do, was shocked by the backlash even from republicans who amazingly found some spine on this and now he's waffling, backtracking, he doesn't want to leave the forces there. then it looks like he folded. right now while the kurds are under great threat, trump doesn't know what to do. my concern is that erdogan, who has just been itching to kill the kurds, to slaughter them, may move pretty quickly. >> it also -- i mean, the message it sends to other nations or other groups who might, you know, in the future -- that the u.s. might need to work with. >> trump has consistently attacked our allies, great and strong, from nato to the kurds. at the same time he has repeatedly and enthusiastically embraced despots, kim jong-un, erdogan of turkey, el sisi in egypt, president xi with an on and off relationship and let us

not forget vladimir putin whose birthday it is today and who is set to profit greatly from the u.s. abandonment of the kurds. you know, first of all, the syrian government, russia's client and the iranians, are also ready to pounce, not just the turks. the kurds may be forced as we abandon them if trump lives up to this and does that, they may be forced into the arms of iran for god's sakes and the russians. so with his impulsive idiocy last night, trump has endangered not just the kurds but the progress made against isis and in fact the entire region. it's amazing that so small a gesture to trump could have world shaking reverberations. >> also criticism from, as you noted, it was -- i don't know if it was surprising, but for a gop which has pretty much remained silent on saying anything

negative against president trump, you did have lindsey graham who has become one of trump's biggest boosters and majority leader mitch mcconnell obviously a staunch supporter of the president, at least publicly, quickly calling him to reverse his decision. >> well, i think what you're seeing, anderson, is schizophrenia on capitol hill in the senate and republican party. whereas, they are still committed to american security and so they'll go after trump on this but they still don't seem to be committed to the constitution to which they took their oath. when it comes to the constitution in trump's violations they're still willing to convert. one would hope that at some point more and more republicans will get the backbone and realize that at the end of their lives it's not going to matter how rich they are, it's not going to matter how many times they were re-elected. what will matter is, as for all of us, did they do the right

thing for their country? did they do the honorable thing? even apart from illegality, did they behave ethically and morally? so far the answer is a resounding no. >> colonel peters, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. just ahead, my conversation with beto o'rourke about the republicans staying silent about the president's behavior. ♪ stop dancing around the pain that keeps you up again, and again.

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so much ground to cover tonight. whistle-blower protection, claims the president was joking about joe biden and getting china to investigate the bidens. check on chris and see what he's working on. chris? >> no joke, anderson. it was no joke. >> yeah. >> we're going to take a look tonight at what's going on with turkey and syria in two different ways. one is militarily in terms of the political calculations and why so many on the right and left are upset about that. then we're going to try to slip

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about the bidens. he said i don't view it as an impeachable offense, i think the house rushed to judgment assuming certain things that haven't yet panned out. i'm joined by former congressman beto o'rourke. thanks for being with us. there are few republicans saying the president shouldn't have asked the president to investigate a political rival. do you think other republicans will come forward or will they just continue to have radio silence? >> i do. and my faith is not so much in them, the members of congress, the u.s. senators from the republican party. but in their consistetituents a now commits these out in the open, hoping that we will lose attention or the pursuit of

justice, those constituents are going to force those republican senators to stand you and do the right thing. this is one of those moments that are going to reward the profiles in courage, putting country first. i saw a great segment this weekend talking about margaret smith. barry goldwater sat down with richard nixon and urged him to resign. we know those closest to the president their party to do the same thing. i'm confident their constituents will force them do that. >> senator blumenthal was on earlier and said this is something that has to come from the bottom up, from constituents up and once members of congress realize their constituents are starting to move in that direction, they will as well. >> that's right. and i can understand those republican senators who get that the president's fury and vengeance knows no bounds, no

limits and now we know no law. so they're afraid of him. but i want them to be more afraid of their constituents, who will force this issue for their next reelection, for their careers and i hope for their conscience. forcing them to do the right thing while we can still do the right thing. the evidence is absolutely clear at this point. all that is lacking is the political will. so when this comes to a vote for impeachment in the house and then moves to the senate, it at that moment that i hope they rise to the challenge and hope to fulfill the promise of the country, and the constitution, which envisions the specific high crimes the president has committed. >> some of the pushback is the house hasn't taken a full quote for an impeachment inquiry. would it be a smart move to get speaker pelosi to hold that vote, which gives the white house less of an argument to defy the subpoena or do you

think they'd just come up with some other reason? >> i think they would come up with another reason to continue to obstruct justice and deny a co-equal branch of government but i don't think it with hurt showing the force of the full house to move forward with impeachment. constitutionally it's not necessary but it's the political force amassing in this country, the force of accountability and justice. regardless, i'm grateful for what speaker pelosi is doing, and chairman schiff and other leaders are doing to make sure this entire country is brought on to the same page. only when we have all of the facts and truth will we bible to mo -- be able to move forward with accountable. if we instead set the precedent this president is above the law, we will lose it forever, for

every generation that follows. i trust that the house is going to move forward deliberately but with speed to make sure we get a trial in the senate as soon as possible. >> kevin: ov >> over the weekend you were asked about hunter biden on the board in ukraine. you said you would not allow a member of your family or cabinet to work in a company like that. you went on to point out there was no evidence of wrong doing on the bidens. if you said it's not something you would allow, is it then justified for the voters to ask questions of vice president biden in doing that? >> i stand by my statement of doing that. i don't want to give the appearance, i know you're not suggesting this, of some kind of equivalency of what the former vice president has done, which there's no wrong doing and what

the president did to commit these high crimes. so i want to make sure that the focus of the american people remains on this president, his crimes and the need to ensure that there's accountability at the end of the day. he will try to muddy the waters, to deflect attention. he's been a master at that in the past. we've got to be disciplined and focused on what he has done and making sure there are consequences. >> finally, as a democratic presidential candidate, are you worried the focus on impeachment is going to overshadow some of what you're able to talk about on the campaign trail? >> i'm not worried at all. in fact, i'm grateful that the house is moving forward. this is the true constitutional test of our time. i want to make sure that we come through with flying colors. so i'm grateful for that. but i also know from listening to people around the country that we can still work on

guaranteed, high-quality universal care for all, address gun violence and have real gun laws in this country and confront climate change before it is too late. we are capable of this as americans while still ensuring we hold the president accountable. >> beto o'rourke, i appreciate your time tonight. i want to hand it offver to chr for "cuomo primetime." >> thank you, anderson. the president referred to his own great and unmatched decision to let turkey have his own way with the kurds yet his own party is coming at him like never before. we have news on that front. and the president's personal lawyer is here on what the case is for this president on impeachment and that big case over the disclosure of his taxes. this is a big week. what do you say, let's get