political circus. >> the circus and all the fun you can have at the circus. >> jeanne moos. cnn new york. >> new york. have you ever seen kangaroo's fight google that. thank you for joining us. anderson starts now. good evening, tonight a stone wall goes up. lawyers for president trump telling congress there will be no cooperation with the house impeachment inquiry. also public opinion coming to focus with new polling on impeachment showing republican support rising for the impeachment inquiry now at 28%. it's up 21 points since july. perhaps importantly the story itself, what happened is coming into focus. we have extensive new reporting tonight about how problematic the people close to the president thought his phone call with ukraine's president was .multiple sources detailsing the scramble after the president hung up to assess and contain the damage. new reporting as well on a memo

written by the whistle-blower who first raised the alarm in which we learn tonight the white house official used the words crazy and frightening to describe the call. after that july 25th call, according to multiple sources a freakout ensues. national security officials began talking about whether the president had cross the a line. white house lawyers were notified and a transcript of the call was later put onto the highly classified server. again this is new reporting that fleshes out what we know about the call and the efforts that followed. to secure what the key players either seem to know or had reason to fear was a quid pro quo with ukraine. reporting that adds context to the text messages among the american players and their ukraining counterparts over what was specked of ukraine, namely investigating the bidens and a conspiracy theory about the 2006 campaign. and now tonight we know more about what went on at a kr crucial moment beginning to play out in the first of september

shortly after -- more than a with month after that july 25th call. bill taylor, the charges deaffairs in ukraine the top diplomat messaging gordon sondland, the ambassador for the ukrainian union not a career foreign service officer. taylor says quote are we now saying security assistance and white house meeting are conditioned on investigations? ambassador sondland reporting quote, call me. about a week later, ambassador taylor tries against. quote as i said on the phone i think it's crazy to withheld security assistance for help with a political campaign. and then importantly there is a gap of nearly 5 hours in the conversation after which ambassador gordon sondland replies quote, bill i believe urine correct about president trump's intentions. process the president has been critical clear, no quid pro quos of any kind the president is trying to evaluate whether ukraine is truly going to adopt the transparency and reforms that president zelensky promised

during his campaign. he adds, quote i suggest we stop the back and forth by text. tonight a source with knowledge tells cnn that before he sent that text, which sounds a lot like the president's talking points, sondland in fact spoke with the president who told him exactly that, no quid pro quo. which which ironically the president somehow suggested exonerates. tweeting ambassador sondland's tweet which few reports stated i believe urine correct about the president's intention no quid pro quo of any kind says it all. certainly says something that the president is citing the restatement of his own talking points which he gave ambassador sondland as evidence. in addition he blocked sondland he is a testimony before congress today which also says something. cnn's jim acosta starts us off at the white house. clearly the white house thinks they have a political argument. does the president's team think this letter has legal merit. >> they do, anderson. i talked to a source close to the impeachment deliberations

inside the white house and the legal team who says the president's legal team to prepared to take this balgt to the courts, that all options on the table. atlantici declining to describe this as a war in terms of the letter fired off to the house speaker today. but the source agreed this is of an escalating skirmish. we are now approaching the way life was during the bill clinton impeachment saga and watergate. remember during watergate a federal judge forced the nixon administration to::cooperate with the investigation. we are near that constitutional crisis at this point. >> if in fact the full house does vote on authorizing the impeachment inquiry is there any reason to think the white house would cooperate. because the letter calms on the democrats to abandon the entire thing. >> there is no indication the bhous will cooperate. as a matter of fact even jer administration officials held a conference to talk about the letter after it was fired off up to wloil capitol hill abone

administration officials was asked what criteria would democrats have to meet to trigger white house cooperation in this matter? and this official responded by saying that they're not going to get into hypotheticals or a hypothetical situation. that's a clear signal at this point, intersection anderson they are ready to fight this out. the question becomes as it always has been with president trump is who is willing in this nation's capital to try to curb his behavior as we saw during the mueller investigation, the special counsel robert mueller wasn't willing to insist that the president sit down for a live in person interview. they took written answers from the president instead. and you get the sense again that the president's legal team is try trying to box in the opposition in terms of the options they fwree to and at this point hear not agreeing tig. >> jim acosta thanks very much. one item the white house not raising objections to senate judiciary lindsey graham plans to invite rudy giuliani about in

his words corruption in ukraine. and cory booker, i spoke with him just before air. >> senator booker, what happens now, if the white house continuing to stone wall congress, what are democrats going to do about it if anything? >> i think we're heading towards a constitutional showdown. and some of the reasons that they're talking about make no sense to me. it seems not like stonewalling by slow walking or slow down tactics. the american public deserves the truth. and good willing the courts will be on our side. starting the impeachment inquiry give us a higher constitutional standard. but he has to answer to the checks and balances of the constitution or else he underends mines the foundation of the government that no one is above the law and oversight. his behavior right now to me is unacceptable, reckless, undermining what i believe our country -- dsh the foundation

our country stands on. >> there are a lot of democrats who hoped to sort of try to finish this by the enof october if this does go to courts as seems likely based on --men if stonewalling is the idea then dragging it through the courts is the way to go. that could take months, couldn't it? >> it absolutely could. again, these are tactics that are not like somebody who should be the leader of the free world. he is acting more like an authoritiarian figure who doesn't think they are subject to oversight, checked and balances designed by the constitution. this is a troubling moment. but we must persist in holding him accountable and i think the public deserves to know the truth. it will only come from a thorough investigation. >> is there enough evidence in your mind already out there based on the partial transcript, the president's statements, whatever other testimony may be possible or the testimony that folks in congress have already heard? is there enough for the house to actually move forward with an

impeachment if they decided to? >> well, i believe there is. but i think that they have to go through their processes. they are a large body with many different members, republican and democrat that have a lot of different views on this. i think the more information cochems out, the more people who will stand firmly on moving forward and writing up articles of impeachment. >> if a formal impeachment inquiry, if a vote in the house would prompt more cooperation from the white house, which is what they're- one of the things they are claiming from the entire house, should speaker pelosi go ahead and do that? >> well, i've been really respectful of the leadership of speaker pelosi. i think she is dealing with a lot of the challenges that they're facing in the house in an incredible manner. and i know this is something she is talking about. so far be it from me to direct

her. i think they need to to take strong steps to get compliance with the executive. we are the article i branch of government. we swore an oath to uphold the constitution and meaning to provide oversight of the executive. if he doesn't adopt o cooperate, we must do everything necessary to make sure he does. he is not dictator in chief, the authoritiarian in charge of our government. that is an office of the people. and he is subject to the people's house, the house of representatives. >> you're a member of the judiciary committee. do you think rudy giuliani should in fact come and testify in front of your committee? if so, what would you want to hear from him. >> first of all, i would savor the opportunity, especially if done publicly. and i know rudy giuliani is, you know frb, from new york close to broadway, loving the theatrics.

but there are real things he has to answer for. and the conduct he has been doing, the direction he has been taking from the president is intervention in areas where there are critical national security interests, yeah. there is a lot i'd like to know from him. and i believe his behavior has been despicable, and the lies and half truths, the deception he has been doing at the direction of this president and beyond is unbecoming. and he should step before congress and answer for it. so, again, i would be happy to as a member of the judiciary committee to ask him publicly to answer for it. and it may end up being, you know -- he may mot be cooperative. he may be obstructionist. but i do not see a problem with having a public hearing with him. >> senator booker, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. >> don't forget senator booker will be at a townhall this woks

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with the white house now making it clear tonight they will not cooperate with house impeachment inquiry, the stage is set for a constitutional showdown. with president trump's decision to block the appearance of a key player, not to mention a big dollar donor, it's also clear he intends to starve house democrats of witnesses to what actually happened. that said, with the president taketh away a multitude of

sources give. every day brings new reporting from inside the white house. note by pamela brown with us tonight with jefferiry toobin and former ohio governor. 2016 presidential candidate. john kasich. when it comes to the white house saying they will not cooperate unless a formal vote is at a taken. is there a from a legal perspective is there anything to that or is this just a stalling tactic. >> the letter is eight pages single paced but it could be summed in a hand gesture which i will not demonstrate. the bred breadth of the objections is so extraordinary it's not we won't provide the witness. it's that we're not cooperating at all. the argument that well you haven't voted a -- a full impeachment inquiry -- the letter very carefully does not say they will cooperate if there is such a vote.

so, i mean, this seems to me an act of complete defines to the house of representatives. and the majority in the house is going to have to decide, are they fighting in court, which could take months or simply add this as another article of impeachment. >> governor, in the letter the white house claims the president's claims the due process rights are circumvented and he has no choice but to not cooperate. do you buy that taufl. >> anderson, trump started all this with this outrageous call. this terrible call. and think about this for a second. we know for sure that he was pressuring the leader of another nation, in fact one that was weak and beleaguered to start an investigation. we know that. there is no question about that. so all started with donald trump. now, today, we were supposed to hear from this ambassador sondland who had a series of text messages with this gentleman taylor from the embassy and volker, the former

ambassador also involved. >> right. >> and this was very interesting. because it began to look as though there could have been some quid pro quo. that's what unwith of the text messages said. that's why i was interested in the testimony. anderson, what this gets down to it is this process trump made a terrible call. it needs to be investigated. i fully support the impeachment inquiry and all the facts need to come. and delay and ob fuse accusation isn't going to solve this. noticed the "washington post" poll saying 58% of americans support the erry. they're going to delay. it's going to work against their -- against their favor this is not a good thing. i'm outraged that they're trying to delay this like this. it isn't right. let's get to the bottom line and let the people know what happened. >> pamela, i know you have new reporting that trey gowdy is

going to assist the counsel. >> it makes the case this isn't a formal impeachment process but illegitimate. they are bringing in outside counsel, including trey gowdy, the former republican congressman from south carolina. he was at the white house today and met with chief of staff mick mulvaney i and my colleague are told that he is expected to help president trump in a private capacity as counsel. he is expected to work with jay sec low other outside lawyers as well. if you look back what he said in the past it's interesting, because you'll recall in 2012 during the house oversight hearing with eric holder when doj didn't turn over documents, trey gowdy criticized doj saying they should hand over documents in the proceeding. here is what he said. >> the notion that you can withhold documents and information from congress no matter whether the party in

power or not in power is wrong. respect for the rule of law must mean something, irrespective of the vicissitudes of political cycles. >> so now. >> wow. >> he is expectsed to help the white house and their efforts as we have seen to essentially stone wall a congressional request, anderson. >> i mean, jeff what a difference a couple of years and going to private practice makes. >> well, and whose ox is gored. the core argument in the letter is that an impeachment inquiry can only take place if the full house votes for it. there was such a vote regarding the iks innen inquiry and the clinton inquiry. but no court that i am aware of has ever held that that's required before the house starts an investigation. these are dually thoeshzed committees, the judiciary committee, foreign affairs.

they are making the document requests. and the idea the white house can refuse to produce all documents, can refuse to produce all witnesses in the entire executive branch, i just can't imagine any court will give that the time of day. although it could succeed in delaying. >> right. >> proceedings for quite a few weeks if not months. >> governor what would you recommend. >> anderson. >> the the question on that. >> i was going to say the question on that is if the full house votes for inquiry, my sense is would provide for weights to the courts. so the courts wouldn't sit on this. maybe that's a strategy that ought to be pursued. but the bottom line there are other witnesses to come forward now. we have at least two whistle-blower. it's amazing we have to try to protect their identity like they were somehow in the mafia reporting. it's crazy. and other people the former ambassador. these folks not being presented. -- let's try to remove -- you

have some legal mum bow jum bow you want to pursue. fine let's get it resolved. do it quickly let's have rules for the minority in the house. let's have rules from the white house. if they don't want rules then you move forward because the house can make its own rules. and there are plenty of witnesses yet to hear. but these witnesses, sondland, withdrawn today, i think is a critical witness in terms of getting to this whole issue of quid pro quo. >> right clearly because sondland had a phone conversation with the president in the five-hour gap in which he didn't respond to the charge deaffairs. and then responded quoting the president. stick around we are speaking of witnesses we got more breaking news to talk about. next new reporting first on cnn how the president pushed top officials to go around the normal channels on ukraine and deal instead with guess who, his tv lawyer rudy giuliani. an update on bernie sanders, how he changes his campaign after he recovers from a heart attack. ♪ (dramatic orchestra)

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well more breaking news to report this hour. first on krn another top member of the trump administration embroid in the trump controversiy because of consideration the the president directed him to have with rudy giuliani. alex mar quart with the story. >> what is the crews action of the reporting. >> it show the extent rudy giuliani is the gatekeeper for trump on ukraine. how intertwine the u.s. ukraine policy was the with the interest in rouge fueling in conspiracy theory about joe biden. anderson, what we are learning is well before two months before

the now infamous phone call between president zelensky and president trump there was a meeting between president trump and his three top aides on ukraine. they are kurt volker, the special envoy for ukraine, gordon sondland, who is of course the eu ambassador and rick perry, the energy secretary. these three men had just come back from the inauguration of president zelensky and were pushing for a meeting between the president and president zelensky. and what president trump made cheer at the time was that they would have to go through rudy giuliani in order for in meeting to happen. he was very much the gatekeeper. and a person familiar with the meeting said if they can satisfy rudy they can see the president. then you fast forward two months. we now know from the transcript of the phone call that the president did speak with zelensky, that president zelensky said he wanted to move the relationship forward with military aid. that's when the president asked for a favor and asked the

ukrainians work with rudy. this is more confirmation, anderson, that rudy giuliani was the gatekeeper when it comes to ukraine policy. of course he is he is not an official u.s. diplomat. he is the personal lawyer for the president. >> and it wasn't as if rudy was looking at all corruption ukraine. he was looking for dirt and investigation on the bidens and on that kpirps theory about the election. en i mean, is it clear if the secretary of state pompeo was aware of this or how people made sense of this arrangement? >> well, we do know the secretary of state was well poor of rudy giuliani's role. that is from the transcript of the july 25th call. now what's interesting is you would think when the three top envoys came back from this inauguration that that would be the kind of meeting that the secretary of state would be in. he was not in that meeting. we do not know if he was aware of that. but, again, when you look at the transcript of that july 25th call -- ands it littered with renners to rudy giuliani and the president's request that the

ukrainians work with him -- we do know the secretary of state pompeo was on that call. the state department has repeatedly denied that they -- that they set up -- or that they worked with -- they were asked by rudy giuliani to set up meetings there. we do know that kurt volker and sondland were working with the ukrainians to set up the meetings but there is no indication, anderson that mike pompeo was particle of that. pu he was certainly aware of the role that rudy giuliani was playing in essentially in parallel policy with ukraine. >> yeah, alex, thank you very much for the new reporting back with us to get reporting pamela brown and jeff toobin and john kasich. what do you make of this, the idea that rudy giuliani is the gatekeeper to all foreign service people, secretary rick perry, again, it's just bizarre because we no he what giuliani's focus was, not legitimate

investigations of ongoing corruption in ukraine. it was biden and the 2016 conspiracy theory. >> right, i mean the core question of this whole investigation is whether american foreign policy was in the interest of the united states and the united states taxpayers or was it designed around getting dirt on joe biden? and if in fact rudy giuliani is as you say, the gatekeeper, the person who has to be satisfied before any further dealings with ukraine take place, i mean that suggests that the foreign policy here is something that is completely different from anything we have been led to expect american presidents are supposed to do. >> pamela, it's also fascinating when you read the text messages between ambassador sondland and, you know, the others, that five-hour gap in which now we know sondedland talked to the

president. >> um-hum. >>en a then basically suddenly writes a text that compared to all the other texts he has been sending in the exchange it is as if it's been read out to him or he wrote it down and it's clearly the -- the same verbiage the white house has been using, the president has been using about no quid pro quo. and let's take the conversation off line. >> yeah, et cetera really an interesting development in the story, anderson that we are learning during those hours -- that five-hour gap. he spoke to the president. then went back on the text exchange to say there was no quid pro quo. but let's take this off line. as we piece together all of this happening, including what alex just laid out, it really does raise more questions about why the president withheld the ukraine aid because with what we learned arthroalex's reporting was that perry and other government officials came back from zelensky inauguration saying he is a trusted ally and you should meet with zelensky. yet the president didn't buy it.

didn't believe them because he was putting more stock in what his outside attorney rudy giuliani had been telling him and the negative information. and then we know following that, anderson, the decision was made at the direction of the president to withhold ukraine aid and then eventually released. this raises more questions about that connection, keras. >> governor, kasich what's if going to take for other republicans on the hill to actually speak their minds on this? is it -- i mean, assuming that there are some who, you know, believe what the president did was wrong and that it was wrong to ask china to investigate the bidens, a repressive regime like china not known for fair appear impartials investigations at the very least, is it going to take just them sensing a ground swell among republican voters. >> i think so. i think so, anderson. and look, this is the thing that i have a hard time

understanding. we know how bad this is. we know what the president did was wrong. which everybody want to get to the bottom of this? i mean, you think about the united states -- if the united states was withholding something that was critical to ukraine who had russians located inside of their country, and gobbling up pieces of territory, you would think that they would say, of course we should have an inquiry. of course we should get to the bottom of this. and as we see here as every report, every day, there is just more and more connections that are so troubling. but the end of the day, you've got to have this inquiry. and frankly these republicans ought to be calling for it. it's the fair and right thing to do for america. >> yeah. governor kasich thank you jeffrey toobin and pamela brown as well. two members of the committee conducting the inquiry we'll see what they think about the white house refusal to cooperate and what happens next. t long ago ♪ ♪ we would walk on the sidewalk ♪

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house speaker nancy pelosi just issued a start statement about the show of defines by the white house. the key sentence reads and and i quote the white house should be warned that continued efforts to hide the truth of the president's abuse of power will be rartds as further evidence of obstruction. earlier i spoke with two members of the house quiet committees leading the inquiry. he will more holmes norton on

the oversight committee and raja krish th -- >> the white house clearly refuseding to cooperate, stone calling at the least. what are you and fully democrats doing in response. >> this is not unexpected, anderson. when the white house stone walls, they commit a grievuous error. you notice in an ordinary trial if you subpoena somebody or are called for a trial and you don't appear, then the presumption is against you. and you could be found guilty. it is the president's prerogative not to appear. but it's not our prerogative to say he doesn't appear there must be nothing here. remember, anderson, when we already have a great deal. we have two whistle-blowers whose -- whose comments have

been seen by -- by the i.g. as credible. and yet we're trying to abide by the process, trying to give the president every opportunity during the investigation. but he can't stop the investigation by refusing to cooperate with the investigation. >> congressman, the white house is daring the speaker to open an impeachment inquiry. if that's what they say the sticking point is would that make a difference? or do you think they will come up with something else. >> they would come up with something else. i don't think we should take directions from them as to how to investigate the actions of this president. that letter that you referred to started out with a very faulty premise. on the second page of the letter it claims that this phone call that happened on july 25th

between president trump and president zelensky of ukraine was, quote, unquote, completely appropriate. that's not what the majority of americans think. and that's why public sentiment is shifting so radically in favor of conducting this impeachment inquiry. now, we have to do it in as unby as the a fashion as possible. and expeditiously but any stalling or delay tactics in the face of what the majority of the american people want, which is an inquiry to proceed, would be in my opinion very inadvisable at this point. >> congresswoman norton if it comes to a choice between going true the court process to try to enforce subpoenas, to get these people to testify, or just going ahead with whatever evidence has already been gathered and what's out there based on the president's comments and the rough transcript -- not even the full transcript of the conversation that took place between the president and the president of the ukraine, going

ahead and sticking to an end of october date to actually bring this to a vote in the house, which would you choose? i mean, does a vote in the house that hasn't gone through the courts, that you haven't gotten other people's testimony, is that legitimate enough for you. >> as expeditious as courts can be, they could not get through all the subpoenas that the white house is using as a delay tactic. so i don't think we should fall for that. i think we should proceed with the evidence we have. now if we didn't have good evidence it seems a case could be made that you just got to stop. but we have two whistle-blowers. we have a lot of evidence from those who have come forward. now they're telling us they're not letting anybody come forward. i think it's because they see we have evidence. they want to contribute to it. i think the house of representatives which has an obligation to proceed with an impeachment inquiry can't let the party on the other side of

the impeachment inquiry keep it from moving forward. i think you are going to keep us -- see us keeping that data and another reason we need to keep that date, is, anderson, we haven't been sent here just to do impeachment pmt we've been sent here because we have passed bills that are of great importance to the american people. and we intend to keep plowing ahead on those issues from gun control to climate change. and not let impeachment be all we do in 2020. >> congressman, do you dwroe with that. and house dmakts issued a subpoena for documents and testimony from ambassador sondland. assuming the white house doesn't let him testify, do you wait for this to go through courts or stick with an end of october deadline or whatever the deadline may be? >> i'm not aware of a deadline for this inquiry.

i think we have to do it properly. that being said, if anybody blocks testimony or refuses to produce documents, that should, one, count as evidence of obstruction of the inquiry. and then, two, it should be almost an admission that the blocked testimony would actually corroborate the whistle-blower's allegations. in this case it's easy to see why they don't want mr. sondland to testify. he was the one that actually called president trump right before his telephone call on july 25th. and then in between july 25th and late august he had various conversations, including, according to the "wall street journal," with senator johnson, where he basically said that military aid was being conditioned on the investigations being manufactured by the ukrainian government. and so that's the type of inference that we would glean if

mr. sondland doesn't testify. it's actually to his advantage to come forward and cooperate as opposed to going the path of obstruction, which is what, of course, the white house wants. >> congresswoman he will more homes appreciate, congressman, appreciate it very much thank you. >> thank you. >> more news chewing that what one republican senator said today or maybe department say, that and new reporting about the health of senator bernie sanders. yeah, that's half the fun of a new house. seeing what people left behind in the attic. well, saving on homeowners insurance with geico's help was pretty fun too. ahhhh, it's a tiny dancer. they left a ton of stuff up here. welp, enjoy your house. nope. no thank you. geico could help you save on homeowners and renters insurance.

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back to breaking news about that new white house letter, basically commit stog a full on fight with the democrat over the impeachment inquire in as new poll shows more americans favor impeachment inquiry, including 28% of republicans, up 21 points since july. the questions about the president's actions are getting harder tor republicans to

answer, especially in battle-ground states. we sent randy kaye to iowa to say if she could get a good answer from senator ernst. because senator ernst's last week answer left constituents less than satisfied. >> where is the line? when are you guys going to stand up and say i'm not having any of this? >> it's up to us as members of congress to continue working with our allies, making sure that we remain strong in the face of adversity. >> that's what known as a nonanswer answer. so, randi, what happened when you caught up with the senator? >> well, we did our best to get some real answers, anderson. we tracked her down to this ground breaking ceremony in cedar rapids, iowa, dating back to the flood that happened in 2008, that's what that was about. we were hoping to ask her of

course about the impeachment inquiry and about that new polling you just mentioned showing the majority of americans were in favor of that inquiry. we were hoping to get some real answers to our questions. instead it seems like we got more of those non-answer answers, as you said. here's our exchange. >> reporter: senators, while we have you, i want to ask you, is it appropriate for a president to ask a foreign power to investigate a political rival? >> all that was in is going to senate intelligence -- >> is the ask itself appropriate? >> well -- >> i'm issing if it's appropriate for a president to ask a foreign power to investigate his domestic political rival, yes or no?

>> i would say i don't know that we have that information in front of us and i'll stick with what i've said all along. >> why won't you answer the question? are you concerned about rhe retributi retribution? >> no. we have a picture $ painted by media and we don't know if it's accurate or not. all of that will go to senate intelligence. they'll sort through that without media interdiction. >> we're not asking you to rule on it. we're just asking if the ask itself is appropriate. >> 58% -- let me just ask you about the polling. 58% -- 58% now support the inquiry. >> i'm sorry. we've got to keep rolling. i'm going to pay atantention to

the iowans here. >> i'm sure the iowans would like answer to the questions, too. the white house released the transcript of the call of the president and ukrainian leader. she has that transcript. >> you are asking her a generic is it okay for a president to ask a foreign -- >> simple yes or no. >> let's go to chris for a check on what's coming you on cuomo "primetime." >> it seems like it's the same game, people just switch jersey. during the clinton impeachment, the democrats were screaming this was such a -- >> you trey gowdy screaming at

eric holder and now trey gowdy looks like he's going to be an attorney for the president. >> captain benghazi. >> and pompeo at the time was on capitol hill was calling in state department people and raking them over the coals. >> they switched sides. i don't want to eat up your time but we have an answer of we've been here before to this new request that the republicans are saying they should have more subpoena power. the reason they don't is them. i'll explain. >> see you in a few minutes, chris. coming up, information from the sanders campaign as he recovers from his heart attack. we'll be right back because we make our meat with the good of the deli and no artificial preservatives. make every sandwich count with oscar mayer deli fresh. this is the family who wanted to connect... to go where they could explore

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bernie sanders quite a bit today. he said he's feeling much better. he visited a cardiologist in burlington today, a follow-up appointment after he spent more than two days in the hospital. sanders told us today that he is going to scale back his campaign schedule in a pretty significant way in the wake of this heart attack. and sanders has often been very proud about just how busy he is on the campaign trail, traveling as many as six days a week, holding as many as four events in a day. he said he's simply just not going to do that anymore. sanders does say this is going to actually put him in line more with his other democratic opponents, that he was doing far more than he was up until this point. sanders still says no matter what happened to him in this situation, that he is still pushing forward in his campaign. he does know voters are going to look at him a little differently. he's a 78-year-old man who still had a heart attack.

he told me he hates they view him in totality as a fighter and still believes he can win the race for president. >> thank you very much. i want to head over to chris for cuomo "primetime "primetime." >> i am chris cuomo. welcome to "primetime." it turns out that this president had his campaign manager directing policy on ukraine. let's get after it. >> sources say the united states president directed his secretary of state of energy, rick perry, and two top state department officials to go to jewel yeenl f -- giuliani's blessing for the meeting, quote, if they