barbie while breastfeeding and there was only one tell tale tug of the top and then watch the hand appear. give that kid a hand. jeanne moos. >> live television. >> reporter: cnn, new york. >> thanks for joining us. anderson starts now. good evening, we begin with breaking news. new indications of just how seriously president trump is now taking the peaimpeachment inqui and pushing republican senators, potential jurors, in line. cnn's evan perez is breaking the news and joins us now. what you have learned? >> reporter: one of the things we've learned is that the president is so consumed with this impeachment inquiry that he's now calling senator mcconnell as many as three times a day. now this is something that the majority leader has had to deal with before at the height of the mueller inquiry. the president was so exercised that he was doing the same thing. now the president is worrying

about is keeping senators in line. he is worried about disloyal senators, something he's tarted tweeting about in recent days and said some senators are not being loyal enough and they should be holding the line. now this is something that mcconnell will have to deal with for the loe for the long-term to make sure senators that are the jurors should nancy pelosi and the democrats impeach the president, he'll need those people to hold the line. and the president is increasingly lashing out telling the majority leader that he believes in a some of the senators need to hold the line on what the white house is telling them to do. >> evan, stay with us because i want to bring in cnn legal analyst laura coates and david gurgen and joe lockhart. he served as press secretary in the clinton white house and has a podcast. and evan, the notion that the president is conducting business

as usual and isn't solely focused on consumed by the impeachment inquiry, if he's calling mcconnell three times a day that seems to suggest otherwise. >> it does. it could be compared to king lear fighting off the darkness. and he's obviously preoccupied. and i could understand why. but i must tell you in none of the reporting about what he's prooccupied with is any mention of what is good for the country and what we have as a people and what he is trying to uphold. it is all about personal survival and personally beating the other side. >> well it is also, david, about revealing who the whistle-blower is. which, again, i understand why he wants that for his own reasons, but in terms of the good of the country, i mean, if he revealed -- if the whistle-blower is blown on this and revealed, that is a chilling message for anyone else who may ever want to consider being one.

>> i think that if he were to blow the cover of the whistle-blower by whatever nefarious means, they could potentially add that to another charge on the impeachment. that would in effect be an obstruction because he really is trying to put a chill on anyone else coming forward. and by the way he's obviously subjecting the person who is the whistle-blower to enormous personal risk. >> joe, even by saying publicly this person is not a real whistle-blower, this person is a liar, i'm not even sure this person exists, there is tant amount to spies and he's sending a message to other whistle-blowers and trying to intimidate though. what do you make of calling mcconnell, according to evan perez, three times a day to tell him he's going to amplify attacks on those who criticize him. >> his democrats have lost and

his fire wall is the republicans and the republican senators in particular. a strategy of going after them and trying to intimidate them works when you are in a position of strength. his position is weakening day by day. so i don't know that that will work. in 1998 when president clinton we focused almost all of our efforts on democratic senators because that is -- that is what protected us. but i completely agree with what david is saying, the big difference between then and now is this president is consumed with it and he's letting the public know he's consumed with it. he's not worried about the people, he's not worried about his job. he spends all day long and increasingly all night long tweeting about this, whining about it, showing how afraid he is and he's revealing, i think, that it very much weakens his case and if you're a republican senator and you don't like the trend. >> laura, from a legal

standpoint, has he already set himself up for more perhaps obstruction charges or compounding the things he's already said? >> he is compounding it. what he's doing is essentially giving more ammunition to say he'll engage in obstruction of congress from just the president saying i'm the law and order president and one of the rules of the president of the united states is to faithfully execute the laws and they are being executed if he is saying look, i won't comply with the subpoena at this junction, where we are right now, anderson, he is saying before one article of impeachment has been drafted and he won't cooperate. he wants to be part of the investigation. he wants to know as if it was a grand jury witness and who that person is and sit in on the proceedings. that is not done. it is a premature request and a premature anxiety. but on the other hand, doesn't this help his court of public opinion argument that said, look what happens when you have an impeachment. your president is being consumed. your president is being consumed by things other than what you

care about in terms of kitchen table issues. health care is not in my wheelhouse right now and gun control is not an issue right now. it is is this. and in that vain, about think being that, that has an impact on whether the public is carried along but the larger issue of the abuse of power, that is still there and the more he abuses it, the more ammunition they get. >> i'm not sure gun control or health care has been in his wheelhouse. but what do you view of the overall view of the impeachment fight glrvelg fight. >> reporter: he looks at this as a political thing and that is why in the phone calls with mitch mcconnell he's pressing him to keep the republican senators in line. he believes that the strategy here is simply to make sure that this is a partisan issue. this is about his re-election after all. and i failed to mention that we reached out for comment from mitch mcconnell's office and we did get a comment from doug andres and it said that they're disputing that mitch mcconnell

ever related some of this to some of his fellow republicans and he said we -- where is it. this story based on a single anonymous source is categorically false. leader mcconnell never said anything like this. they are disputing that mitch mcconnell told fellow republicans about some of his interactions with the president. and you could understand why. the president and mitch mcconnell have forged a tight relationship in the past year despite for so long the president was criticizing tab lishment figures like mitch mcconnell. he needs mitch mcconnell very much now. and mitch mcconnell frankly needs the president to stay focused in order to protect him. >> david, the president is going after the person or persons who gave the information to the whistle-blower saying he doesn't want to have spies in the white house. it is interesting that he's so focus focused on the whistle-blower because it seems like the whistle-blower at this point isn't even really the question any more. everything that the whistle-blower has said has turned out to be true or mostly

true. and there is the transcript and the president's own comments which prove that. >> well i think that it is conceivable the whistle-blower has some details that haven't been drawn out yet. and so i wouldn't dismiss the whistle-blower's account. i do think it could have some importance. but i also think, anderson, when the american people have a sense that the rage and the obsession and sort of the craziness that is coming out of the white house, that is going to make more and more people feel uncomfortable about having him serve as president for another term. i think this is the -- the way he's acting is making it worse not better. in my judgment for his command and leadership of the country. >> joe, it is interesting to hear evan reporting that the president is concerned that senators aren't being loyal enough. really the senators haven't

really -- most republican senators haven't said anything other than mitt romney. they have been critical of what the president has done to the kurds. the betrayal of the kurds. i'm not sure if that is part of his calculus that he doesn't like what lindsey graham is going around saying and that is part of this. >> listen -- >> sorry, joe. go ahead. >> think there is a little bit of a trickle and that is worrying the president and his team. you've seen senator collins and senator portman and senator sasse say things like the president shouldn't be reaching out to china and making that while staying silent on ukraine. listen, the president's relationship with both the house and the senate when anyone has crossed him is to try to crush them. mark sanford running for president because he crossed the president and the president got him defeated in a primary. he has a strangle hold on the republican party right now. the problem is these senators

many of whom are up for re-election in the cycle in 2020 and have to face their voters are sitting and waiting to see what else will come out and that is what this big struggle is. will the president be able to keep all of the details at the white house and keep congress from getting them because as this gets worse, republicans will make a calculation at some point whether it is in their interest to continue supporting the president. that is what the president is so fearful of. >> joe and david stick around. laura, thanks, i know you need to go work on your 11:00 show, white house in crisis. coming up next, susan rice on the president's decisions and actions on the impeachment question as well as northern syria. and later vice president pence who has spoken out against foreign interference in elections and that was a long time ago. we'll ask him if he still believes it now.

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their absence or lack of influence or also seeing the lack of so-called adults in his surprise decision after a call with turkish president to pull troops out of northern syria which led to a turkish invasion aimed at the staunch ally in the fight against isis. whatever the stance, a whistle-blower entitled by law to protection from a boss's retaliation is facing an open call for just that from the president of the united states. the president who is supposed to uphold the rights and protections enshrined in our laws even if they are not in his personal best interest. this president cannot do that. it is all about him. it always has been and likely always will be. tonight whatever else you might think about the larger american involvement in the middle east, the kurds who fought and died along u.s. troops who did the bulk of the fighting, 10,000 dead are being bombed by turkey and some will die in the wake of the president's snap decision so

tonight the broadcast is dominated by that and the whistle-blower story. two manifestations of this same question. what happened when the guardrails go away. we're hear in a moment from susan rice who serves as national security adviser in the obama administration and strong thoughts on the subject. but first here is what president trump said this afternoon about the whistle-blower. >> what the whistle-blower said bore to relationship to what the call was. then it turned out that the whistle-blower was in cahoots with schiff and then it turns out the whistle-blower is a democrat, a strong democrat and is working with one of my opponents as a democrat that i might end up running against. when you see what the whistle-blower said about the phone call and it was totally different. he made it up. and i don't know why a person that defrauds the american public should be protected. >> all right. keep in mind, the intelligence whistle-blower act makes threats of reprisal subject to urgent

concern complaints that need to be passed on to congress. there is no evidence the whistle-blower was in cahoots with anyone and the president offered none. as for the president's claim that the whistle-blower's account of the call is radically different from the rough transcript, not the word-for-word transcript which we have not seen, if there is one. that is not true either. the very first words on it after ukrainian president zelensky inquired about u.s. military aid badly needed desperately needed aid to fight russians is president trump saying and i quote, i would like to you do me a favor though. followed by pressure to investigate the bidens, faced with evidence of the president's own words on the president's own transcript that contradict what the president himself keeps saying. when the so-called adult in the room try to stop the president from making such easily disprovable claims. similarly would he or she try to stop the president from saying this about the staunch u.s. allies now under bombardment

tonight. >> now the kurds are fighting for the lands. just so you understand. they're fighting for the land as somebody wrote in a very, very powerful article today, they didn't help us in the second world war, they didn't help us with -- normandy as an example and they mention names of different battles and they're there to help us with their land. and that is a different thing. >> well it is hard to know what that even means. but the president seems to be suggesting that the kurds have always just been in it for themselves and they didn't help us in normandy and world war ii. more than 10,000 kurds have been killed in the fight against isis. we fight -- a fight we asked them to undertake. he also said this. >> well, they're going to be escaping to europe. that is where they want to go. they want to go back to their homes but europe didn't want them from us. we could have given them to them and had trials or do whatever they wanted but as usual it is not reciprocal. my favorite word, reciprocal.

i don't want an edge, just reciprocal. >> and the president has taken steps to expose them to mass slaughter and caused alarm in saudi arabia and israel and triggered a rebellion among republican lawmakers including the very senators who may one day hold his political future in their hands. whatever you think of the president's statements, decisions or policies at large, does any of this look like anything but a president determined to say and do what his gut and no one else tells him. to say and do anything to protect himself. i misspoke on what he said to zelensky. he said to do -- i would like you to do us a favor. respect from former national security adviser susan rice, the author of "tough love", the book is just out this week. i want to -- i want to talk about your book because there is a lot in it but i want to start with the president's comments

about the whistle-blower tweeting today he should be exposed and questioned properly and now saying that the whistle-blower's perpetrated a fraud and therefore shouldn't have any protection at all. when you hear this from a sitting president of the united states -- i know on election day in your book you said you convinced yourself it won't be as bad -- the day after. maybe it won't be as bad. you could imagine the president of the united states calling for the whistle-blower protections to be completely tossed out of the window. >> anderson, it is appalling. and it is so much worse than i imagined. every day a lie, a disparagement, and a trashing of the institutions and the norms that we all believe have held us together. and we're -- what is so extraordinary is it is all about him. we talk about foreign policy and he said his doctrine is america first. but i think we're seeing it is

really me first. and that is how he is governing. everything is about him. and so the notion that you could attack a whistle-blower with legal protections in our system which is set up to enable transparency and to guard against precisely the kind of abuses he's perpetrating and to assume that is therefore -- he's called it worse than that. he called it close to being a spy -- >> and who the whistle-blower talked to in the white house. >> so he is arrow gating to himself -- the institutions of the state. >> he is the state. i am the state. >> that is what we're seeing now. it is that -- that is not an exaggeration. that is how serious it is. >> it clearly seems -- i don't know how much of what he does is truly by design or instinct you'll but it has to send a chilling message to anybody else

in the government about the possibility of coming forward. it would stop a lot of people from considering coming forward. >> well it could. but i think what we're seeing is more people come forward. now we have a second whistle-blower with firsthand experience of what happened. corroborating exactly what is already out there and indeed president trump's own transcript corroborates what is the whistle-blower statement. so i actually think, anderson, that we have enough patriots still working in this government all throughout the agencies who have to be deeply disturbed about this. >> when you hear the president saying repeatedly it was the perfect phone call, nothing wrong with it then asking china for help, that china should investigate the bidens. you've read the transcript of the call. the president clearly believes in just repeating a lie over and over again until everybody becomes so exhausted they just

give up and -- >> and he confuses people. that is his whole tactic. that is how he has -- that is how he is arorogated himself power. he lie, lie, lie and two, confuse and deflect and in the biden thing is take what is trump's greatest weakness, the perception that he's corrupt and his children are corrupt, that they abuse the office to enrich themselves and try to make it his opponent's greatest vulnerability. >> when you went on the sunday shows and talked about the early reports and the intelligence community asetment of what happened in benghazi and it was early reporting and some was not accurate and pointed out it was early reporting. that brought you into a whole maelstrom and you dedicated an entire chapter to this. you've seen -- you've had people on capitol hill making up stuff about you and had people on capitol hill for political reasons going after you.

when you see what the republicans, the silence on the side of the republicans regarding the president on ukraine, regarding the president on china, asking a regime like china to investigate the bidens is -- i don't even know what to say about it. but when you see it, the republicans response to this, senators and congress people, does it surprise you in even with all you've seen, does that surprise you, the silence? or the saying oh, he's only kidding? >> it's galling and it's disappointing. congress set up eight committees to investigate benghazi. not one of them found that i deliberately misled the american people. including the one led by trey gowdy who is now going to apparently defend donald trump. what we see now is mike pompeo, one of the most avid prosecutors

of the benghazi so-called scandal refusing to cooperate at all with congress. the obama administration provided documents, they provided testimony. secretary clinton sat for 11 hours. i sat for four hours before gowdy and his crew behind closed doors. you know why? because we had nothing to hide. >> the situation in turkey, the president said today that the kurds are fighting for their land and as money wrote in a very powerful article today, they didn't help us in the second world war and they didn't help us with normandy as an example and in addition we have spent tremendous amounts of money on helping the kurds. i'm not sure what the article is -- >> what is he smoking? >> yeah. >> i mean the kurds were the pointing end of the spear who fought isis on our behalf. >> 10,000 casualties. >> they bled and died because they believed in the partnership they had established with the

united states. >> they believed they would be protected. >> absolutely. >> -- and honored. >> yes. and we just threw them under the bus in 24 hours. it is appalling. and it's disgraceful. and then today when the turks quite predictably are bombing the jesus out of syria, and trump allegedly orders the u.s. military not to come to their defense, not to protect them. we've crossed a rubicon here of betrayal that i think is going to haunt us for decades to come. >> the end of when south vietnam finally fell there were a lot of people who helped the united states left behind who weren't evacuated. there is criticism of not enough visas given to iraqi translators and afghan translates who risked their life. >> all chf is wrong. but this is an order of magnitude worse than that. we're handing over our kurdish allies to slaughter. and that blood is going to be on donald trump's hands.

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our breaking news, a source tells cnn that president trump is phoning mitch mcconnell as many as three times a day lashing out in his conversations with majority leader about senators he ses a disloyal over the impeachment issue as polls show a clear majority of americans in favor of the inquiry the latest from fox news showing that 51% showing that the president should be impeached and removed.

only 40% believe he should not be impeached. today joe biden stand before voters and for the first time called for president trump's impeachment. >> to preserve our constitution, our democracy, our basic integrity, he should be impeached. we have to remember that impeachment isn't only -- isn't only about what the president has done. it's about the threat the president posed to the nation if allowed to remain in office. >> president trump later called the comments, quote, pathetic. back with me are david gurgen and joe lockhart. david, what do you make of the former vice president coming out publicly in support of impeachment. it wouldn't surprise many people i suppose but did it surprise you? >> i thought it's about time. i've been surprised frankly, anderson, that he hasn't been more in the forefront and been as cautious as he has been all the way along.

one of the reasons i think elizabeth warren has done so well is she was out early and back last spring calling for impeachment inquiry and been tough about it and one of the big questions that democrats are going to want to resolve is not only who has a better chance of winning but who is more effective against trump in a debate and wrestling match on a debate. so far she's done pretty well in that category. >> joe, you saw biden say and also nudge the president on not releasing tax returns and susan rice brought this up, it is easy to turn on its head. does he want to talk about family finances and children's salaries. >> yeah. i mean it is -- i think ambassador rice articulated it very well which is an old tactic of the republicans which is take your own weakness and project it on your opponent. you remember john kerry was swift voted by someone who avoided serving in vietnam and john kerry is a decorated war hero and it works if you don't fight against it. so i think you've seen in the

last couple of days vice president doing what i think is the right thing which you can't let these things -- you can't chase every trump charge down a rabbit hole but you can't let something take hold and you've got to push back and i think he's done that. i agree with david that also that he has been late on impeachment. this should have come earlier. i would argue that some of the candidates were too early on it. it is critical that the public doesn't see this as 1998 revisited as a partisan act to punish the president and remove him. but as a constitutional act to keep him from doing more harm from the country. so i think the vice president was right on today. i just wish he had done it earlier. >> david, what is interesting, you talk about elizabeth warren, she's one of the people in the senate who would be called on essentially as a jury on the president and yet, as you said, she was out front in calling for his impeachment. >> well, that is right. and i think we have a good idea

how she'll vote if it gets to the senate. but nonetheless, i just think that this is a time when issues facing the country are so grave that a person who wants to be president or a person who is president needs to go before the country occasionally with a thoughtful speech, trying to help us understand the gravity of what we're going through, how it has to be done with great respect for traditions and needs to have a bipartisan quality and in an effect be presidential. those big speeches, that is what i've been missing in this campaign, give us -- stand up there for 20 or 30 minutes and explore something in a serious way. so far we haven't had a lot of that. the debates are helpful, but i sure would like to see more seriousness at times. >> i appreciate it. thank you. coming up next, many republicans on capitol hill who are upset at what the gop have called the betrayal of our kurdish allies by president

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as president trump lashes out in phone calls to mitch mcconnell about republicans being disloyal during the impeachment inquiry, according to a new cnn report, republicans are angry, some republicans are angry over his abandonment of kurdish allies. a senior official said it has

already had a detrimental effect on the counter isis operations and they have stopped. in fact that is what some republicans predicted. >> this is the pre-9/11 mentality that paved the way and that what is happening in afghanistan is no concern to us if he follows through with this it is the biggest mistake of his presidency. >> if you make a commitment and somebody is fighting with you, america should keep their word. >> liz cheney tweeted this. news from syria is sickening. turkish troops preparing to invade syria from the north and russia from the south and isis attacking raqqah and impossible to understand why donald trump is leaving allies to be slaughtered and enabling the return of isis. mitch mcconnell, marco rubio and susan collins, peter king, ben sasse and nikki haley and all republican and critical. as is my next guest, adam kinzinger who sits on the foreign affairs committee.

thanks for about with us. i'm wonder why do you think the president has gone to the mat on this and giving turkey such a pass was it an impromptu thing with erdogan. >> i think it is all of it. i think the president makes impulsive decisions on foreign policy and he made an impulsive decision without thinking through the results of that. i think erdogan somehow convinced him with stars in his eyes he would be humane and the reality is disgusting and sickening and sad. think about the fact that the kurds have taken 10,000 deaths in this fight against isis because we didn't want to put troops on the ground so they did it for us. we on the conversely have lost 17 in combat throughout this whole campaign. we lost in iraq and afghanistan close to 7,000 people. so think about the impact that is had on the kurds but they stood with the united states, because they believe in us and they could have turned to iran, they could have turned anywhere else and stood with the united states of america and because of

a conversation with a basically dictator, president trump pulled 50 soldiers, 50 people back and those 50 people were holding back a turkish attack and those 50 people who i'm sure every one were in tears when they heard this. these 50 special operators are watching this horrified as we all are. >> i think what -- the point you make is an important one, to point out we're talking about 50 u.s. service members and i'm not indicating that 50 is not an important number and there is concern obviously about their safety and that is one of the things that the president has said. but if the idea is we can't have endless wars, we want to bring troops home, we're not talking about thousands of troops here. we're talking about 50 who have held off this advance from turkey. but their presence alone has stopped turkey from their ambitions in the territory that the kurds believe is theirs. >> two quick points. on the endless wars thing that

you hear from now the president and rand paul forever, it is not our choice to do an endless war. this is the terrorists. they are the ones that haven't changed their goals or changed what they wanted to do. and secondly, look, 50 american troops, this is what people like the president and like rand paul and some of those were advocating for when they said we don't want 100,000 troops in syria, they're talking about putting special operators to train indigenous forces to fight for us and that is exactly what this mission is and for no reason, no discernible reason the president woke up one morning and tweeted about a bunch of tweets, changes the whole dynamic of the middle east and abandoned an ally and it is disgusting. >> you're a veteran and served in iraq and afghanistan and have metd with t-- met with the kurd gone there and there are legitimate concerns that turkey has about -- about terrorist attacks by kurts in -- the kurds

and to paint them with such a broad brush sees myopic and just seems unfair. >> it is. you think about like 13 or 15 million kurds in turkey, iraq has around six and syria around two. it is a big population. and there is an issue with the pkk, this terrorist group. and turkey has every right toe defend itself against terrorist attacks but the idea that we would supply and equip and stand with the kurds that are not pkk and defeat isis and for no reason pull out. and by the way, 10,000 isis members are held in cells. where do they go? they are not going to europe. they're going to go back on the battlefield. the president's biggest promise in the campaign wasn't to get out of the wars it was to defeat isis. >> does it make any sense that he said the kurds are fighting for their land and they didn't help us in world war i and normandy and saying they're going to europe as though that is okay.

>> so first off, i love europe and i hope -- there is no terrorist attack there. that is what america used to stand for. we're bigger than what we've become lately and the normandy thing, i don't understand it. the kurds -- there are probably kurds ethnicity in normandy somewhere but they didn't invade with us. i don't hold that against them. >> and german didn't help us either and we arealitiys with them now. thank you. vice president pence is on the road in eye way and so is randi kaye and what he to say about interference in the political process. ♪ we would walk on the sidewalk ♪ ♪ all around the wind blows ♪ we would only hold on to let go ♪ ♪ blow a kiss into the sun ♪ we need someone to lean on ♪ blow a kiss into the sun ♪ we needed somebody to lean on ♪ ♪ ♪

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perspective on both signs. what does the senator think about what's coming his way, what does he think right after the president said we're going to get out of syria, you have a turks making a move on the kurds and how could this not be a bloodbath. we're going to talk to senator sl slotkin. she worked on deconfliction in syria. she wants us to know what the big risks are and we're going to test the president's new arguments about why this is unfair with one of his friends, matt shlapp. >> up next, randi kaye asked vice president pence about if he's changed his mind about what he said during the election, be right back.

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last night she tried to pin down joni ernst about it. she was met with a string of nonanswers. tonight she tried to get some questions to vice president mike pence. there are two pieces of sound you need to hear. the first is what mike pence said during the 2016 campaign about whether foreigners should interfere in american elections. >> you all need to know out there, this is basic stuff. foreign donors and governments cannot participate in the american political process. >> wow. okay. basic stuff, he said. golly gee. here's the second piece of sound, this time from the president -- from the president less than a week -- ago on the south lawn of the white house talking about ukraine. >> they should investigate the bidens because how does a company that's newly formed, and, by the way, likewise, china

should start an investigation into the bidens. >> you remember marco rubio said that was a joke. you had a chance to ask the vice president about all this, how did that go? >> well, anderson, it was interesting to say the least. we started asking him about those 2016 comments that you played about a foreign government taking part or weighing in on the american political process and he sort of took a turn from there. here's a look. >> mr. vice president, during the campaign 2016, you had said that foreign governments cannot participant in the american political process. do you still stand by that today? >> i do. i think that's why president trump is so concerned about a foreign interference in our election in ukraine. if you read the transcript, you will see that the president said to president zelensky that our country had been through a lot and then he had a question about foreign interference in our 2016

election. to be honest with you, when did you all lose interest in foreign interference in the 2016 election? president trump wants to get to the truth. he wants to know what happened in 2016. and the american people have a right to know -- >> but the president himself -- >> to be on the board of a major ukrainian company. >> is that okay with you? >> i don't believe that's the case. and, again, i know that's the way that -- >> he said it. >> i know that's the way chairman schiff characterized it in his manufactured version of the transcript, but the american people should read the transcript and they will see that the president did nothing wrong. there was no pressure, there was no quid pro quo. the president has simply raised issues of importance and interest to the american people. >> wow. >> anderson, the vice

president's handlers quickly ended the gaggle right after those comments. you heard him saying that president trump -- he doesn't believe president trump asked a foreign power, asked ukraine to investigate joe biden, his political rival. we all know that is not true. how do we know that? because the president has said that. we've seen it in the transcript that the white house released to the public and we also know it because the president doubled down on the white house lawn. we heard that in your introduction. for some reason, vice president pence just will not accept that, no matter how many times i tried to tell him there today. very strange experience. >> he can read. i can't imagine he doesn't know the facts. he's just -- i mean, he's -- you know, likes to seem as if he believes everything he says. the president called on china to investigate one of the most oppressive regimes around, the idea that -- yeah, it's amazing. and it doesn't surprise me that they ended the gaggle. >> there were other reporters.

there were other reporters weighing in, backing me up. and still he would not accept it. >> thank you very much. don't miss full circle, our digital news show, 5:00 p.m. eastern at cnn.com/fullcircle. chris? >> i am chris cuomo and welcome to "prime time." looks like a subpoena storm is about to head down pennsylvania avenue. what do you say? let's get after it. the white house is now officially stonewalling the impeachment inquiry. several democratic sources tell cnn that means it's likely time to stop asking and start demanding witnesses make their way to the hill, associates of rudy giuliani, state department officials, including the former ukraine ambassador who was forced out. she's still on