to why we're hearing these various different concerns about a re-emergence of isis with one u.s. official saying that with this move isis basically now has a second lease on life, erin. >> arwa, thank you so very much. thanks very much to all of you for being with us. a c360 begins right now. erin, thanks very much. good evening from the university in weststerville, ohio, site of tomorrow's democratic debate. there's new polling on the democratic race. we'll have a preview of that and tomorrow's democratic debate. today president trump tried to spin a win on what people on both sides of the aisle are calling a colossal foreign policy mistake in turkey and syria, mistake in which he is the sole author. he appears to be scrambling to fix things after the major political backlash he is experiencing from democrats and republicans alike. president trump spoke to turkey's president erdogan today

about de-escalating the fight. he announced sanctions against turkey in response raising steel tariffs to 50% and halting a proposed $100 billion trade deal. president trump says a small footprint of soldiers will remain in southern syria and one more thing, vice president pence is now being sent to turkey to try to broker the kind of deal to safeguard our allies or our one-time allies, the kurds, and contain isis. the kind of deal we had already until last sunday. all of this began a week ago sunday with a much different telephone call with turkey's president. what was said remains unclear. what we do know, the president agreed to pull out troops from the region essentially giving the green light to the turkish invasion of northern syria. this left our kurdish allies, key allies, it left them stunned and surprised and then exposed to turkish aggression.

republicans never once to rock the boat were vocal in their denunciations. did that bother the president? it must have. two days later he said he was inviting turkey's president to the white house which is not something you normally do with people you are angry with. it didn't seem to bother him too much. he tweeted in no way have we abandoned the kurds and yet we had. and still the republican denunciations kept coming, criticism when it's overwhelming and bipartisan doesn't sit well with this president and thus began a period of alternately saying he would definitely do something and then criticized the kurds with his favorite kind of accusation, the baseless kind. >> now the kurds are fighting for the land, just so you understand. they're fighting for their land. and as somebody wrote in a very, very powerful article today, they didn't help us in the second world war, they didn't help us with normandy as an example. they mentioned names of different battles. they weren't there, but they're there to help us with their land and that's a different thing.

>> well, even this morning he was tweeting about the kurds releasing isis fighters, which his own defense department said was not accurate. it was a them fight and not us fight. today he received to change his tune. want to talk about it with jim acosta at the white house for us tonight. what is the latest on what the president is now proposing to make up for what's happened? >> reporter: yeah, anderson, the president is calling on turkey to impose a cease-fire in its operations in syria at this point. it's not clear whether or not that's going to happen, but as you mentioned, they are imposing new sanctions on turkey. they are sending the vice president along with the new national security advisor in the near future to talk to the turkish officials there including president erdogan presumably how to stop all of this. it is unclear how any of that is going to result in turkey suspending this operation.

keep in mind, the white house is saying, yes, they're going to keep some sort of small force in southern syria but not the same force that was in northern syria that was in part preventing all of this from occurring in the first place. and one other carrot that is still being dangled over president erdogan of turkey is the fact that he may still be able to come to washington, anderson, and meet with the president next month. the president extended that invitation last week. apparently it was accepted and at this point the white house is not saying whether or not that is still going to take place. it hasn't been called off at this point and so that seems to be sending another green light to erdogan and that is that he hasn't at least yet paid a huge price for what's happened in syria. >> that would be extraordinary if allegedly the administration there's going to be tough sanctions against turkey and you're allowing the leader of turkey who just launched this incursion into northern syria against the kurds, you've abandoned their allies, the

kurds, lost 10,000 people in the fight against isis, a fight we have asked them to lead essentially. >> reporter: that's right. >> and erdogan would still be invited to the white house? >> reporter: anderson, at the same time the president is threatening to, he said this again today, destroy the turnkih economy if things continue. it is a strange, confusing mixture of messages being sent not only to turkey and the kurdish allies in syria but republicans on capitol hill who have been concerned about this from the very beginning. keep in mind, vice president pence, they're very sensitive to this criticism, vice president pence was saying, no, president trump did not give erdogan a green light in syria. they just held a conference call with reporters a short while ago and repeated the same talking point but, anderson, keep in mind remember what the administration said at the beginning of all of this, about a week or so ago when it said turkey will now be carrying out

this operation in northern syria. it didn't say don't do this. it didn't draw a red line. it essentially did provide that green light. it sounds as though the president is trying to make, you know, the green light to syria in terms of what turkey is doing in syria not be his red line in syria but it's not at all clear whether or not anybody accepts that responsibility in washington. at this point the president is continuing to apply pressure. he says he's going to continue to talk to the turkish president according to administration officials here. one other thing we should point out, anderson, during this conference call with reporters, this has been a huge concern not only in washington but europe, administration officials were asked whether or not any isis fighters who had been detained had been released and according to senior administration officials talking in washington just a short while ago, there is good evidence some of those detainees have been released and are at large. >> jim, thank you very much. sounds like the president has

painted himself into a corner. joining us is david axlerod. amilika henderson, gloria borger and david chalian. david axlerod, the idea that the president didn't green light this turkish incursion against the kurds is -- >> absurd. >> it's absurd. >> yeah. >> it was that phone call and he took out the special forces troops who had been essentially protecting the kurds from the turks all this time. >> either he didn't know what he was doing and opened the door to all of this because he didn't consult with his national court jie team, the defense department and so on, or he did know what he was doing and has opened the door to bashar al assad to stream back into that territory, to the russians. they have been the big winners. >> right, russia, iran, obviously the assad regime. >> yeah. but i think those are the two

choices. either he willingly opened the door for them or he didn't know what he was doing. it's not a very appetizing choice. >> or he was so vague, which would pit under the he didn't know what he was doing part. that he was so vague in his phone call as "the new york times" has reported, so vague in his phone call it wasn't clear what i was satisfying. did that give him the opportunity with the knife? >> he said he wanted all troops out of syria. he said that repeatedly. this is delivering on that and this is also the consequences. >> i think he campaigned on this but removing. he didn't want to be involved there at all. this was part of his mission throughout the entire campaign. i think what is surprising is he

somehow didn't anticipate the backlash from his own party which is why we see some scrambling from the white house. he's trying to at least get his own party back with him in some way which you say -- >> congressman, i don't know if that's going to happen just yet. >> i think in his own mind, he may not be wrong about this one, he says we're tired of the endless wars, this is their problem, they have to resolve it and so on. there's an audience out there for that. >> sure. >> i think he felt some confidence. he said, the people in washington may not like this but there are a lot of people out there who know what i'm saying. >> he clearly was trying to sell that message over and over again, sort of a contradictory fact was that they were sending troops, right, into saudi arabia, 2,000 or so. so the idea that we're withdrawing all traps was not surprising to a lot of folks was how quickly things deteriorated.

the cold was on sunday. >> it emphasizes, if there were 100, you know, u.s. forces and support in new york and it shows what the presence -- >> yes, they were keeping -- >> this wasn't a withdrawal of 10,000 troops. >> this was removing the brick from the wall. >> that's why trump was so quick to advise. this is the president -- it's more of trump unbound. saying what he wanted to say unscripted. we've heard that before, say ukraine, and then you have this calamity. >> to say to you it's a surprise. it implies that they will strategize the outcome for a

ripple effect? >> i don't believe so. when campaign rhetoric or rhetoric as president that is just very simple meets up gents very complicated and complex national security issues, i think you see exactly why the simplistic trump line on things presents real world problems when it meets up against far more complex -- >> i think that's an interesting point. it explains why people from the latest from homeland security when simplistic rhetoric meets reality, they end up leaving. >> one of the reasons i always felt donald trump would get it. he could deal with the complexity. i think after eight years they were tired of complexity. here comes a guy that says, you know what, forget about that.

i'll just take care of it. certainly the people who voted for him. if you spend any time either covering the white house or working in the white house, you understand just how delicate all of this is and how easy it is for things to go sideways in a really tragic way. >> it's understandable people would say what are we doing in the series if isis is going to defeat it 100%, the caliphate is gone though clearly there's thousands of isis fighters in a prison. it has effects. if we betrayed the kurds who spent 10,000 -- lost 10,000 lives, who won't we? >> and they've seen this president basically could thele dictators and not do the same with our allies. that is part of this area

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when you hear people in the administration sort of pushing the idea that it was not the -- the president did not in effect green light turkey's attack on the kurds, do you buy that? >> i don't buy that at all. frankly, this is what happens when an untested, unconventional president who doesn't rely on the advice that his diplomats and military advisors wanders into a very complex region and engages in erratic and ill-informed foreign policy. frankly, after this development many of our enemies are encouraged and some of our closest allies alarmed. i am gravely concerned, anderson, about what this means, not just for the kurds who fought bravely alongside us in the efforts against isis but for the extent to which our allies in the region and the world view us as reliable. it was about six months ago that president trump made this same tragically mistaken decision and

as a result his secretary of defense, former marine star, he had ample notice that if they removed any troops, that it would underminus, encourage erdogan and we've seen that unfold faster than anyone might have expected. >> if there's a deal with the kurds and the assad regime, effectively the assad regime gets to retake the 1/3 of the country that has been out of its control, which is not only a victory for a dictatorial killer, it's also a victory for russia and iran who have been supporting the regime and turkey if they get the buffer zone. >> that's right. one of the things i'm most concerned about, anderson, is that hezbollah and other

militias supported by iran and the irg skr gain even more of a foothold in syria, gain even more of a highway to send troops, material, resources for iran, across iraq and into lebanon. this destabilizes the region. the winners here, frankly as you put it, vladimir putin of russia, bashar al assad. the murderer of damascus. the dictator of syria who has massacred huge numbers of his own civilians and iran. so on balance this is a tragic day for the united states. all of us are urging president trump to reverse course and to take force fill action. sanctions will not matter. the only difference is for this tragic and ill-informed decision. >> the question is is that even possible at this point. >> it's very difficult. >> if the kurds have seen this

face of the administration, if they can may a dispute with assad. would they be welcomed? even if the u.s. wanted to send several hundred special forces back in, it's not clear that they would be allowed there. >> in talking with some contacts, some friends, where 10,000 kurdish fighters died in the work against isis, it was often a struggle to see that they trusted american troops who fought alongside them that we wouldn't withdraw, that we wouldn't abandon them given how hard erdogan and turkey have pressed to abandon the ypg and our other allies. i heard this directly from a member of the delaware national guard. i agree with you, trump may very

well. only direct and forceful engagement with erdogan, a frankly clear threat that this would undue our relationship, our strategic partnership of many decades as a nato ally, might be enough to stop the turkish assault, but frankly in terms of russia and syria and iran, gaining a foothold. >> senator coons, i appreciate it. thank you for being with us. tonight i'm going to get the reaction to new polling in the democratic race for the white house coming up. first, multiple breaking news stories on rudy giuliani. a witness testifies about giuliani's role in shadow diplomacy. also ""the wall street journal"" says they are investigating the

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that is one of her top concerns that she raised today. we also know that she raised concerns after marie yovonovich, the former ambassador from the ukraine was reassigned. we also learned while she was not on the july 25th phone call, she did prepare for that call. she helped with preparations for it. those are just a few top line numbers that we're hearing today. >> this was a long testimony and a longer week ahead on capitol hill i understand. >> i understand. house republicans really some of them were not happy that they issued a subpoena for fiona hill today. why was the committee so intend on getting rev to testify? >> one of the concerns democrats have always said is they get to the not before the depositions or closed door testimonies and then someone in the state

department or trump administration tries to block them. that's what happened with gordon sondland last week. they were trying to ensure that she would have the ability to testify today. that's what democrats are saying, they're saying so many times in the past the trump administration has tried to stop or limit. this was pretty empty. republicans have been complaining about this process, anderson, for quite a while. it started with the fact that they won in nancy pelosi. she has said she's not required to do it by house rules. this has been a very slew of democrats, you should be fine. u.s. ambassador to the e.u., gordon soundland are there.

he's a big supporter of the president? . well, a could being to lawmakers to get some guidance on what to text back. one thing we're hearing where he said there was no quit pro quo there's a lab. nearly five hours, anderson, between text messages when there was some concern that there had been nearly $400 million withheld in military aid to ukraine. a state official wanted to know why that was happening and there was that five-hour gap. he's expected to talk more a little bit about what the guidance was there. >> oren, thank you very much. there's more on the giuliani front as well. federal prosecutors in new york city are taking a look at bank

records. thank you for being with us. this is the first time we've heard investigators are looking to giuliani. new details of what specifically is of interest to them. >> that's right. we've been hearing a lot in the last couple of days about what exactly investigators might be looking at and there have been a lot of rumors that his associates were indicted last week. they were looking at the two men's dealings with giuliani. "the new york times" reported that investigators are looking at whether he might have violated foreign lobbying laws. what we're looking at is specifically his business dealings in ukraine. that includes his finances as they related to his work there. meetings he might have held there and specifically work that he did for a mayor there is what we're told. >> do you know who the

government is talking to about all of this? >> we do know that some witnesses have been question who they're talking to. i would say given the indictment just last week, that it seems like this investigation is only now starting to sort of come into the open. so we might expect some escalation of that the next couple of weeks. >> has julie said anything about this? >> giuliani has denied wrongdoing. he said he has not been informed of any investigation and today he told us they can look at my ukraine business all they want. so he is projecting he's not concerned about any possible investigation. >> all right. rebecca, appreciate it. thanks very much. perspective from jeffrey toobin and former nixon white house council and cnbc

contributor, john dean. giuliani knows what goes into this. should he be concerned? >> he should be such a we were person. however, i do think it's important to point out that no one has accused him of any crime and the two associates of his who were indicted last week, they are charged with essentially illegal campaign contributio contributions. there's no evidence anywhere that giuliani has engaged in any campaign work. what he has to probably be more concerned about is the issue of failure to register as a lobbyist and all the work in connection with ukraine. other than that. >> john, first of all, i understand it is your birthday.

happy birthday. birthday of one of our top producers, curt mcdonald. i hope you have something more fun talking about it, obviously the movie version, the president's man followed the money. he's not concerned. his dealings in ukraine do seem pretty confident. >> that's true. it looks like to me what the tea leaves, best reporting i can find, including cnn's, there are three emotions going on. two relations with two men who have been charged around arrested. that's a general conspiracy to violate the campaign laws. there's also the possibility of the foreign registration act,

but when they get into his. we don't know where that's going to go. that opens up all kinds of potentials. the fact that he has not been told he's a target of the investigation, the fact that he has not been interviewed by the fbi suggest that he's not a poll stur. it does look like he'll have trouble. >>s is it possible that lev and igor could be potential witnesses? could they flip if they have any information? >> absolutely. prosecution 101 is always to work your way up. righty dwul is learn si obscure business men. one other point to mention about

giuliani. the big problem for donald trump is giuliani's role as potential being and you have to be in front of the american people. was it designed or operating to get dirt on the president's polite ral interests. in an impemment vegd established that. so giuliani's value as an particular timor getting in the way of the impeachment situation with peer possible exposure he has. >> did it yesterday. the whole idea of the start of the shadow foreign policy.

it's bizarre, fascinating. he's a witness. folks would love to talk to you. >> there's another men and they were actively pursuing her removal as well back here. so there are a lot of different strands that sort of come together here and this has to be unsettling for rudy giuliani and the president himself. >> rudy giuliani was being paid by one of them, i'm not sure which one it was. he was on their payroll. if you're congress and you want to investigate who was he -- why was he being paid? who was he really working for? was he working for them? was he working on behalf of the

president of the united states? was he doing both? >> he tried to have a security contract with klidgko who became the mayor of kiev, former boxer. ended up with another land tract in another city. he's got a lot of, you know, kind of -- >> balls in the air? >> sure. >> and he's -- by the way, is rudy giuliani using the president of the united states? >> yes, exactly. >> -- for his own personal -- >> this is what is so fascinating. >> this is why he couldn't be secretary of state. >> apparently he was. >> jeff, john, thank you very much. everyone else stick around. in ohio there's new polling out tonight. shows the democratic

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this time tomorrow night a record 12 candidates will be on the stage right here in westerville, ohio, for the cnn "new york times" democratic debate. on the eve of the crucial debate there is polling from

quinnipiac, elizabeth warren leads with 30% support. former vice president joe biden is at 27%. that leads to a tie. bernie sanders at 11%, buttigieg at 8 and harris at 4. do those polls mean much at this time? >> if you're biden, your whole argument was electability and you were the one who could beat polls out there. we've seen a tightening and have this major surge. kamala harris seems to be slipping. at 4% in this poll. you look into this, he's something like 50% warn. so i think it confirms what we've been seeing, these trends over these last couple of weeks, which is that warren is surging and that biden seems to have sort of plateaued if not taken a bit of a dip but seems not to be taking anything of a hit around

the ukraine stuff. >> david, i guess the question i would have is is biden support -- is warren support at the expensive biden or it's coming from others? >> it's mostly coming from others. from bernie sanders and others but we should put a nitrend lin and she's been on a rise, this is a sequential process. what's encouraging for her and daunting for biden, elizabeth warren is showing strength in iowa and new hampshire. the first two contests. if nia is the guy who can take trump on and starts the race by losing the first two contests, perhaps the third in nevada, is he going to be viewed in those terms then? elizabeth warren steps on the

stage tomorrow night and is a co-runner. it's the first major campaign appearance since being hospitalized. how important is it for him? >> it's important. it's very important. he has to show that he's okay, strong, vigorous. vigorous would be key here. also as david was saying, i think at some point he and elizabeth warren are going to have to get into it a little bit. he did in an interview just today, yesterday where he said that, you know, that she says she's a capitalist. >> yeah. he said capitalist to her bones. >> he didn't finish the sentence about what he is because sort of democratic socialist? >> right. i would pay her -- i would pay him if i were her to say that tomorrow night on the stage. it serves her political project

to be moved slightly towards the center. >> yeah. >> you know, bernie sanders, i understand he may have said that line in an interview. he has not been about taking on elizabeth warren in some way even though from the very beginning of the race she presented a real threat to his coalition. she clearly has dug in to some of his voters, especially young people which is a critical part of his collection. he hasn't shown yet that he's really willing to take her down a notch. i'd be is he surprised if that's what he showed up to do. >> the real question with sanders, after this health problem and given his age, can he grow his support or do people see him more as a symbolic candidacy rather than a real threat to be the nominee? >> he's in trouble even before losing support to biden and warren.

>> i don't think it is. age is an issue. that's something biden has to deal with as well tomorrow night. i wouldn't be surprised by who's going to have to deal with ukraine, hunter. bernie sanders is going to be important to watch tomorrow night and see how he reacts. >> i'm being very -- not saying anything because i'm involved in debate prep. gloria and david are not for the record. >> yes. yes. >> but it is important to note. this debate tomorrow night, anderson, is taking place in a new political context. impeachment is now this dominant political force in washington. it's consuming so much oxygen. this campaign while having a national presence has been side lined somewhat and yet it's a really crucial time in this campaign because we see elizabeth warren and joe biden are in a tier unto themselves.

voters are paying more and more attention. we're just a few months away from beginning and yet there's this looming trump story line out there about impeachment and how the democrats are handling that that is just hanging over what otherwise was a race progressing normally. >> i want to thank everybody. the debate kicks off at 8 p.m. tomorrow night on cnn. still to come tonight, up close and pretty disturbing at times look at those fighting for their lives in syria. at fidelity, we help you prepare for the unexpected

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>> rudy giuliani, anderson. big political implications where you are, very important. rudy giuliani is not about politics. this investigation is about law and fact and it involves this president, involves abuse of power, but this is the closest to a road to ruin that we have seen in this administration and we will show you why tonight. >> all right, chris, look forward to that about seven minutes from now. see you then. we'll be right back. there's more news ahead. oh yeah - it's back. crispy shrimp... ...tossed in a spicy rub... ...and drizzled with sweet amber honey. more shrimp more ways. endless shrimp's just fifteen ninety nine. hurry in. at first slice pizza lovers everywhere meet o, that's good! frozen pizza one third of our classic crust is made with cauliflower but that's not stopping anyone o, that's good!

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as we reported at the top of the hours, there's breaking news on the situation in northern syria with turkish forces aggressively entering the countryi country, fighting against the kurds. as many as 10,000 kurds have died in the fight. the president says now he wants to quell the violence and

propose new sanctions and said there will be new sanctions on turkey and plans to send the vice president to the region. thursday will mark the 1,000th day of the trump presidency. obviously being free leader of the world is a very difficult job and involves many competing forces and difficult decisions. this is a decision clearly that was made without a great amount of forethought and we are seeing the results of that now. we want to show you some images that we have been seeing coming out of northern syria tonight. the images are stark and disturbing and some of them are tough to watch. several videos, including this one, appear to show at least one man on a roadside whose lifeless body is being fired upon repeatedly. the man's hands appear to be tied. cnn cannot independently verify the videos, partly because the situation in the area is so chaotic. a media activist on the scene told "the new york times" that two men who appeared in this video were both killed by a

faction allied with the turkish-backed militia. the u.s. backed democratic forces are also blaming turkish-backed militants for the killings. it's the same area where a prominent politician, members of the kurdish secured forces and several civilians were found dead over the weekend. the president seems to be trying to stem the violence with sanctions on turkey. the fear is it may be too little too late. tens of thousands of civilians are already on the move according to the unioted nation and the fear is many lives will be lost and the political ramifications for the region and for the united states are yet to be clear. don't miss "full sicircle," streaming live weekdays at 5

p.m. or at any time on demand. tomorrow night the action takes place here in westerville, ohio. 12 candidates will take the stage. there's never been a debate with 12 candidates on the stage at once. we hope you tune in starting at 8 p.m. eastern time. >> i i'll turn it over to chris. >> i'm proud of the job you'll do in advance. we have new information on the criminal investigation surrounding rudy giuliani. this is the worst situation this president has had to deal with. why? let's get after it. the irony, the same federal office rudy giuliani once led is leading a criminal investigation into him. according to "the wall street journal," prosecutors in manhattan are examining giuliani's business dealings in