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ahead this hour. if you first don't succeed, the british prime minister trying again to get his brexit deal over the hump. more on that ahead. and it comes just days after the latest defeat in parliament. set off massive protests across london. in syria, u.s. troops are on the move continuing their withdrawal from the front lines. the cease-fire is not holding. and the white house in reverse. president changing course on his g-7 plans while his acting chief tries to walk back recent comments on ukraine.
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hello to viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm george howell. >> and i'm rosemary church. from atlanta, "cnn newsroom" starts right now. good to have you with us. a u.s. brokered cease-fire is scheduled to end tuesday, and that means time is running out for the kurdish-led syrian forces. turkey is vowing to restart the offensive if the fdf did not leave a so-called safe zone. they say that safe spot has been violated. u.s. president donald trump seems unphased by it all moving forward with his plans to withdraw troops. cnn's nick peyton walsh has more from northern syria. >> reporter: they don't want to leave but still they have to.
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the decisions in washington that are bringing the american and british and other european nation's campaign here in syria against isis such a hasty end. they're being implemented behind me. over 100 american armored vehicles have arrived here to gather this rallying point before they begin the final journey out of syria that marks a deeply symbolic end. the largest land movement. they'll be going into iraqi kurdistan. they will continue but from a different 49 different territory. isis were beginning to be slowly extinguished here over time. this has been a hasty move. no military planner wants to have its movement broadcast weeks before it's implemented. they've only had a matter of days to implement contingency plans. we will be seeing large numbers of americans on the move through syria in the hours and days
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ahead. that will mark the end of this messy number of weeks in which washington policy makers have moved so fast, often their critics say with so little direction or certainty about what they're doing and left the brave men and women here of u.s. forces and its troops say the syrian kurds who died in over 10,000 in number fighting to rid this area of ace sis, the syrian kurds feeling deeply betrayed. behind me here, this land movement beginning. it will be enormous and deeply symbolic in the hearts of many american soldiers who weren't quite ready to bring the campaign to an end, certainly not ever in these circumstances, nick peyton walsh, cnn, northern syria. military analyst and retired air force colonel cedric leighton joins us. >> great to be you with you again. >> the u.s. defense secretary is
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insisting the cease-fire generally seems to be holding, his words there, despite reports more than 20 violations. how can they say the cease-fire or pause, whatever you want to call it, is holding if violations are committed? >> well, it's all in the eye of the beholder. in these situations i think, rosemary, what you're looking at is the relative peace compared to what you had before. just as the turks made their incursion into northeastern syria. generally speaking i would say with 20 violations, that's 20 too many and wouldn't say that the cease-fire is holding in the strictest sense of the word, but it's also true that in this case at least the fighting has not gone on to its fullest possible extent so in that sense it's kind of splitting hairs. but in this case we're looking at a tenuous cease-fire or cessation of hostilities that's
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going on right now in northern syria. >> all right. and then, of course, turkey wants all the kurdish fighters to withdraw from their designated safe zone by tuesday night and if they don't do that, then the cease-fire, according to turkey, will come to an abrupt end. that withdrawal has begun apparently. would you expect it to be completed by that tuesday evening deadline? do you think we'll see that? >> i'm not sure that we will. i think the kurds may not be as willing to withdraw from all of their positions, but they seem to have some pretty strict discipline when it comes to following the directions of their leadership, as painful as it is for them to vacate their positions, most of the forces seem to be doing that. if that's the case, it could happen that by tuesday we actually do see major compliance on the part of the kurdish forces with the terms of the cease-fire but it wouldn't
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surprise me if it were complete compliance. >> and after raising the ire of both republicans and democrats, by withdrawing u.s. troops from northern syria and making way for turkey's military to move in, we now hear that those same troops will not actually be heading home after all as president trump had promised. but instead will be going to western iraq to perform isis counter missions. what do you make of that apparent change of plan? >> well, i'm not sure it really was a change of plan. so what i think we're seeing here, rosemary, is a redeployment of forces within the theater. this redeployment of forces was never intended to be a leaving of the middle east, an exit from this area, and in spite of the president's rhetoric, what we are seeing is a tactical redeployment where those forces could potentially be used in continuation of the fight against isis.
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some will say that's actually a way to propagate and move forward with the mission against isis but it's also a more difficult place to do that. that's going to make it a little bit more challenging for the u.s. forces. >> right. of course, one of president trump's greatest supporters, senator lindsey graham, has been critical of the president's decision to withdraw u.s. troops from northern syria. now senator graham is saying, that was just a yellow light, not a green light for turkey to move in. why does he appear to be backing down on his criticism or at least backpedaling here? >> well, it does seem as if senator graham is trying to have it both ways. on the one hand he wants to be critical because historically he's been one of the key proponents, along with the late senator john mccain, of a u.s. presence in syria. in this particular case that is
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antithetical to what president trump just did. we see him trying to in essence split the difference he had between the legacy with senator mccain and his need to, i think, support president trump. so that becomes one of those politically difficult maneuvers that he's conducting right now. whether it's a yellow light or a green light, i would say, you know, the turkish car is still speeding through the intersection and that's what we're seeing right now. >> yeah, indeed. cedric leighton, many thanks to you for breaking this down and bringing your military analysis to the table. it will be appreciated. >> absolutely, rosemary. thanks so much for having me. now switching to the issue of brexit. the drama continues there. the british prime minister giving it one more try calling for a new vote on his brexit deal to leave the e.u., a so-called meaningful vote. that is set to happen in the coming hours. >> the speaker of the house will have a lot to say about that.
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it's his decision whether that vote will take place. the british government is trying to recover from seven days which forced the prime minister to seek another brexit delay from the e.u. now the government says it has enough mps on board to get mr. johnson's deal proved. well, max foster is standing by for us in london. he joins us now. good to see you, max. how likely is it that the speaker will allow that to go forward? >> reporter: yeah. we'll wait and see. he could argue that this deal was already voted on on saturday. there's some debate about what was presented today is what was presented on saturday. i think ultimately there will need to be a vote. everyone will reveal here and this is the best one on the
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table. the issue for boris johnson is this bill is amendable. what we're more likely to see is amendment will be added to this bill which will appease those on the other side but won't appease boris johnson. one of them being talked about this morning is that this deal goes through but brittain remains part of the continent. something boris johnson won't support. the other idea is that there will be an amendment attached to it with a referendum, something boris johnson doesn't want to do. it's another one of those days, rosemary, where we go into it not knowing what will happen. >> we know there have been a lot of protesters out on the street. a lot of britts not happy with how this is playing out. talk to us about just how
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representative they are of britts. >> reporter: well, the demonstrations i wouldn't say are widespread. i mean, we see them here in london. see them in other parts of the country particularly. there are demonstrators out and about, of course. i wouldn't say this is a mass crisis. a lot of people simply aren't engaged in the protests at all. they don't know what's going on. the public is struggling as well. in brussels we're seeing events unfold. they're carrying on with what boris johnson protested. instead of letting parliament get on with business, i'm hoping they'll push something through. expect them to have a delay of some kind. they don't want that in brussels either. they need to find some way through the protest.
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some of the rebels hold all the cards. a number of skeptics have caused problems for government in the past say they will support the deal this way around. they're saying they're compromising this time. >> we'll continue to watch this. max foster joining us live from london. many thanks. let's get perspective with tom brooks. a professor of law and government at durham university in england joining us this hour via skype. good to have you with us. >> thank you. good to be back. >> boris johnson wants another vote. the question, will he get that vote? it all comes down to whether the speaker will allow that to happen. this particular deal has been brought up. how do you see it playing out? >> exactly right. this issue first arose of course during theresa may's time as prime minister where three times she presented the exact same motion for a vote hoping the second or third time with the same thing she would get a
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different result. that didn't happen. i expect they will not allow this extra vote. i think it will decide that on saturday that that already happened. i think that is poignant for the prime minister. folks saying yes or no for the idea but it still left that. it took the legislation back. it was all still to come and very much still up in the air. >> also want to talk to you about those contradictory letters sent to the e.u. mr. johnson sending one that was boilerplate, not signing that. the other that he sent in requesting that they turn down, you know, the proposal. the question here is what do you make of that? first i want you to hear labor mp john mcdonald speak about it. we'll talk about that on the
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other side. >> also sent another letter, hasn't he, which seems to be -- he may well be in contempt of parliament or the courts himself because he's clearly trying to undermine the first letter. not signing the letter, he's behaving like a spoiled brat. this idea that you send another letter contradicting the first flies in the face of what both parliament and the courts have decided. >> the suggestion of contempt, that's one question that was raised there. the other simply trying to figure out which way is mr. johnson going with his strategy. >> this isn't a glookd for the e.u., his negotiators when he's sending both sides of the argument saying, a, and b at the same time. not a good way of showing
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confidence and trust. only a week or two ago boris johnson's lawyers said there was no need to require him to comply because he was going to comply with the law. he would honor what parliament had agreed. now he's backtracked on this in not having it on letter head. not putting a date on top. everything again, he cited everything he'll do. he may get himself in trouble. it seems as though he is recognizing this as a lawful attempt, request to get an extension, particularly it will
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be okay -- they're playing loose with the law which you wouldn't think he would do. >> tom, we're going to have to cut the interview short. i think we got the gist of what you're saying. some audio issues. we appreciate you joining us. we will see whether mr. johnson gets that vote that he wants. be very interesting to see this play out. thank you, tom. u.s. defense secretary mark esper was in afghanistan this weekend and was one of president trump's chief opponents. house speaker nancy pelosi's office said she's just wrapped up an unannounced visit to the country. >> nancy pelosi also visited jordan on saturday. she led a congressional delegation and met with king abdullah. middle east policy topped the agenda. the acting chief of staff is having a challenging week, you
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could say. it all started with mick mulvaney's quid pro quo comments. >> the more he tries to clean up the mess, the worse it gets. jeremy diamond has the details. >> reporter: white house chief of staff mick mulvaney continuing to play cleanup over the weekend appearing on a sunday news program suggesting that he did not admit to the quid pro quo that he admitted to days earlier. mick mulvaney conceded that white house security aid was frozen. mulvaney on sunday insisting that he did no such thing. >> you again said just a few seconds ago that i said there was a quid pro quo. never used that language.
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>> you were asked by jonathan carl. you've described a quid pro quo and you said, that happens all the time. >> again, reporters will use their language all the time. my language never said quid pro quo. what was i talking about? things that it was legitimate for the president to do. >> mulvaney's latest defense appears to amount to saying he did not say those words quid pro quo even as he continued to acknowledge that the president's interests in that democratic vision was one of the reasons. mull vainy's situation didn't calm any nerves. telling me on sunday that the president is growing increasingly frustrated with his white house chief of staff. now the president frequently grows frustrated and the aides find themselves on shaky ground. that doesn't mean his exit is imminent. jeremy diamond, cnn, white
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