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coverage of death of an isis leader in syria. thank you for joining me this sunday. we begin with breaking news. the leader of isis, one of the most feared and brutal terror organizations in the world is dead. abu bakr al-baghdadi was killed in a u.s. military raid saturday in north western syria. u.s. special forces raiding his compound near the border with turkey. president trump confirming details this morning. the white house released this photo showing the intense moments inside the situation room during the raid. al-baghdadi's death is a devastating blow to isis. this morning president trump went into explicit detail about
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al-baghdadi's final moments. >> he died after running into a dead-end tunnel, whimpering and crying and screaming all the way. the compound had been cleared by this time with people either surrendering or being shot and killed. he was a sick and depraved man and now he's gone. al-baghdadi was vicious, violent and he died nain a vicious way d as a coward running and crying. this raid could only have taken place with the acknowledgment and help with other nations and people. i want to thank russia, turkey, syria and iraq. i also want to thank the syrian kurds for certain support they were able to give us.
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>> we have team coverage around the world covering every aspect of this monumental moment in the fight against isis. let's start with barbara starr. barbara, what do we know about the logistics of the raid? >> the president laid out a good deal of detail that was extraordinary. it began with helicopters and u.s. special forces coming in by helicopter, perhaps as many as 100. the entire mission lasted about two hours, which really is extraordinary. that's a long time for these kinds of troops to be on the ground as the president said. they called out for al-baghdadi to surrender. he did not apparently running into a tunnel with three children and then detonating a suicide vest killing himself and those three children. troops on the ground were able to make a rapid identification last night that allowed the
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president to come out and verify this publicly to the world. you know, these raids that are staged by delta force, s.e.a.l. teams, air force special operations, they're really quite extraordinary. they're very dangerous. these troops are highly skilled and practiced at this. what they do is use secrecy, stealth, night cover. they come in very quietly, very secretly and they blast with overwhelming violent force before people can scatter and get away. they are very practiced overthe last 18 years at doing this kind of work and thankfully no u.s. troops suffered injury, just two minor injuries. >> the president saying there was a canine injury. barbara, let me bring in nick peyton walsh. nick, we're learning despite
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kurds providing intel this raid was delayed by about a month. what can you tell us about that? what has been the reaction in the region? >> that's a claim from the syrian kurds who say this was a joint operation intelligencewise. they claim that it was a five-month operation in the planning and it was delayed a month because of the turkish incur shon. president trump said we started looking at this about two, three weeks ago. he was asked didn't it have an impact on the turkish in kurgs. he said one didn't impact the other. that particular turkish in kurgs not only attacked america's key ally in the fight against isis.
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it also went so fast that american intelligence had to evacuate their headquarters at fast pace and head back. it's extraordinary that u.s. military was able to pull this off while they busy withdrawing. turkey said this is a good sign of what happens when people work together. the kurds suggesting they supplied vital intelligence for that. essentially the syrian kurds who turkey say are terrorists are the ones who may have allowed the united states to find this man. that's for future discussions. the key moment is one of certain relief that this man is gone. there is trepidation of what may come in his wake. >> bash i can't, officials telling cnn this does require a
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lot of corporatioperation with intelligence. what kind of coordinated effort took place to share intelligence? >> a lot of parties involved including the iraqis, the kurds and the turks. look, it's always better to have eyes and ears on the ground to watch how people are moving, who they meet with, scoop up telephone conversations, laptop communications, all of that. it is better. u.s. troops now according to the president in the mode of withdrawing even in the face of this. have a listen to a little bit of what the president had to say about this point. >> we don't want to keep soldiers between syria and
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turkey for the next 200 years. they've been fighting for hundreds of years. we're out. we are leaving soldiers to secure the oil. we may have to fight for the oil. that's okay. maybe somebody else wants the oil. i want our soldiers home or fighting something that's meaningful. i'll tell you who loves us being there, russia and china. >> but listen to what the president said. we, the united states, u.s. troops, might have to fight for the oil. there is a big question mark out here today what steps will russia take in syria next. will it try to reach a peace agreement? russia, syria and turkey. then where does that leave the united states as a potential side player inside syria? >> then, nick, you mentioned that the syrian kurds have said they played a vital role in all this.
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then you listen to the president earlier. he thanked a litany of countries. it was russia that was first. turkey, syria and iraq for their support in the operation. really, you know, he also said -- he also wants to acknowledge the syrian kurds. almost like an after thought. how is that being received? >> well, it's startling really. the list of countries he leapt to, to some degree their leaders are thor tarn and the syrian kurds got an after thought. trump has always been ambivalent about them. there were lots of moments during donald trump's speech which jarred. it was extraordinary how the communications were managed. there's a long trail of him releasing details, explicit
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deta details. some of them the crudeness you would expect of isis, the whimpering, al-baghdadi crying in a sealed tunnel. it was disturbing to hear to some degree and a moment where it felt like donald trump was in awe of watching this unfold around him. saying it looked like he was watching a movie. he got to watch a lot of it. interesting to see what further details we'll learn and specifically to exactly which group was holding or assists abu bakr al-baghdadi holed up in that al qaeda strong hold. >> nick and barbara, thank you so much. during the statement by the president, he gave several critical details about the raid in syria. let's turn to jeremy diamond live at the white house. he gave a play by play of the
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operation. you heard nick talk about how some grimaced at such detail, particularly his view the suffering of al-baghdadi in those final moments. tell us more about the approach the white house took and why and what kind of feedback it's getting. >> frederica, the president huddled yesterday in the situation room with some of his top national security and defense advisers to watch this raid unfold. he described it like watching a movie. like that movie the president said he watched, he tried to bring the american people into that and try to describe this in vivid and sometimes frankly explicit detail including the moment when he said abu bakr al-baghdadi ignited his suicide vest and killed himself as u.s. forces were approaching. >> he ignited his vest killing
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himself and the three children. his body was mutilated by the blast. the tunnel caved in. test results gave certain immediate and totally positive identification. it was him. the thug who tried so hard to intimidate others spent his last moments in utter fear, in total panic and dread, terrified of the american forces bearing down on him. >> the president also described other details, operational details about this raid, like the amount of time it took these troops to fly from the base where they were to get to this compound. some of those details raised concern among national security officials that perhaps the president was sharing too much. he tried to characterize al-baghdadi as a coward.
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listen here. >> we had eight helicopters and many other ships and planes. it was a large group and, again, this is a large group heading over very, very strong fire power areas where that was decision one -- will they make it? and they made it. they took fire, but they made it. >> so the president obviously describing al-baghdadi as a coward, as whimpering. comes back to something he said in 2016 when he said we shouldn't call terrorist as master minds, we should call them losers. that's something the president did today about the leader of isis who is now deceased. >> thank you, jeremy. coming up the u.s.'s hunt for abu bakr al-baghdadi ends in that surprise location. how did that impact the military
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action on the ground? cnn's coverage of this breaking news continues next. [ orchestral music playing ]
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al-baghdadi has been a target for years. what do we know about the location he was found in syria and ultimately killed? >> reporter: frederica, the main thing to note about the location it's where you would be unlikely looking for al-baghdadi. it's an area dominated by the al qaeda franchise in syria which has had a war against the so-called islamic state that split away from it. he was not hiding among friends. it's an area where turkish forces has had a deal of influence to try to create a in
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believed he was there. they've been working with donald trump since that's when the president said it was being planned. this is a key element to what donald trump said, he was trying to rebuild or reconstruct an alliance with fellow travellers. while they detested each other al qaeda and isis could have been put together to resurge as said by the president. >> al-baghdadi's history is he was once with al qaeda. while he went off to create isis, perhaps he never left his friends and allies in al qaeda. >> there wasn't a great ideological between the two. the methods by al-baghdadi used
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in iraq and in his period where he tried to create a caliphate was the ultra violence he used. that was distasteful even to al qaeda. >> sam, thank you so much. mark esper told cnn today the president was briefed on al-baghdadi, this raid and the options this past week and gave this green light for the operation. esper said the objective was to capture the terrorist alive. >> cnn's reporting it appears al-baghdadi detonated a suicide vest during the raid. did that happen? >> that's the report we have on the ground that we tried to call him out and asked him to surrender. he refused. he went down into a sub terrain area and in the process of trying to get him out he detonated a suicide vest and killed himself. >> he killed himself?
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>> yes. >> with me now peter bergen, author of the book "manhunt." samantha vinagrette. also joining us max bood. peter, esper said the goal was to capture al-baghdadi alive and only kill him if he refused to surrender. we learn he had a suicide vest on and killed himself. is he more valuable to that network dead than alive? >> i don't know. i take what esper said at face value. no american soldier is going to go in and as sass nate someone.
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even with bin laden, there was a plan for him to be captured and interrogated. a live person is more useful from an interrogation standpoint. the idea that al-baghdadi would be taken alive was kind of implausible and it didn't happen. >> makes sense why they would want him alive. among followers he's now a marty. samantha, secretary esper said al-baghdadi's death is a blow with isis. do you agree with that? >> that's what president trump was trying to get at when he used disparaging language about al-baghdadi. one thing i'll note is that president trump said during his press conference that there was information taken from the site. that could prove extraordinarily
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valuable. >> you can like the dna information? >> no. i believe president trump referenced files and other information removed from the site as well as other targets which could prove useful as far as our ongoing counterterrorism operations against isis. fred, it strikes me that president trump's comments today really understocut his own narrative. he said u.s. forces were in the lead and conducted the operation. a few days ago he said we could hand off critical missions to other countries. it really does understood ccut president's narrative to date. >> are you doubting, samantha, that the u.s. took the lead on that? >> no, not at all. >> just that it is counter to what the president had said days ago in terms of justifying the
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u.s. troop pull out. >> and the united states staying in the lead. >> there was a kurdish defense force leader who tweeted saying for five months there have been joint intel operations on the grou ground. the president did give credit to russia, turkey, syria and iraq. it was an aside, max, that the syrian kurds were part of this operation. the president says this is big. this is bigger than, you know, the killing of anybody else and that this, indeed, strangles the caliphate. it's detrimental to isis. take a listen. >> al-baghdadi was on the run for many years long before i took office. in my direction as commander and
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chief of the united states we obliterate his caliphate 100% in march of this year. today's events are another reminder that we'll continue to pursue the remaining isis terrorists to their brutal end. that also goes for other terrorist organizations. >> so, max, how do you interpret this messaging? how does the president's decision to pull u.s. troops out of syria impact his goal to pursue remaining isis terrorists? >> doesn't make any sense, frederica. this is a good day for justice. we can be happy al-baghdadi is dead. he was an evil man. we should not exaggerate the operational significance of this. we have too many examples in history of terrorist leaders being killed and their organizations continuing. a u.s. strike zone killed the
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head of the taliban in 2016 and they're alive more than ever. in 2016 they killed the leader of al qaeda in iraq. that doesn't do anything to improve the situation in iraq. it did everything to raise up al-baghdadi. we may be seeing a resurgence of the islamic tastate. they've been restaging more terrorist attacks. now the way we managed to defeat the caliphate was through the u.s./kurdish alliance and that's dead because president trump has very foolishly pulled u.s. troops out of most of syria and abandoned the kurds. that's the alliance that made it possible to defeat the caliphate and kill al-baghdadi. now trump is disbanding that alliance at a moment when there's an opportunity for an isis resurgence despite the
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death of its leader. >> peter, everyone except for al-baghdadi supporters are celebrati celebrating. is there a feeling this might spark a resurgence? >> i mean, i don't really disagree that anything max said. the death of bin laden didn't produce much reaction from terrorist organizations. a dead leader at the end of the day is dead. >> all right. thank you all so much. still ahead the president expresses a specific political calculation when striking down the isis leader. why the president decided not to involve key members of congress? cnn's special coverage of this breaking news is next. dna test. and i...was...shocked. right away, called my mom, called my sisters. i'm from cameroon, congo, and...the bantu people.
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back now with historic news. isis leader al-baghdadi, one of the world's most wanted terrorist is death. president trump revealed graphic deals of his death calling the mission a huge success for the country and for him. >> last night was a great night for the united states and for the world. a brutal killer, one who has caused so much hardship and death has violently been eliminated. this is the biggest there is. this is the worst ever. osama bin laden was very big, but this is a man who built a whole, as he would like to call it, a country. >> some political fall out being felt as key democrats not being notified of the raid.
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president trump had this to say. >> we notified some. others have been notified. we were going to notify them last night but we decided not to do that because washington leaks like i've never seen before. washington is a leaking machine. i told my people we will not notify them until the -- our great people are out. not just in, but out zblrch. >> joining me now zachary wolf. what message do you think the president is sending by not alerting democratic leadership about the raid, not before and not after. chuck schumer said he found out about it on tv. >> he's sending a message to the country and democrats in particular they're not involved in the running of the country
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which is against the whole idea which is that on certain things, military action in particular, that you're supposed to leave partisanship behind. if he's alerting republican members, but not democrats that he's going to do military action, that's a departure from long-standing precedent and potentially from the spirit of the way the laws are set up. >> you know, overall it appeared as though trump was starting to lose gop support. there were indicators of real cracks in his support, particularly over the decision to withdraw u.s. troops from syria including from republican senator lindsey graham. then graham at the white house today had this to say about trump. >> i understand what the president wants to do. he wants to reduce our footprint and lower our costs, he is right to want to do that. i'm encouraged by what i see in
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syria. maybe a new strategy. >> even said this might be an opportunity for critics to kind of change their view and support the president. mitt romney was among those who has been critical. he tweeted out celebrating essentially the decisions made. what does this mean now for what was evidence of cracks in republican gop support for him? >> well, you know, i think you heard this a lot with your last panel where they were talking about putting distance between the accomplishment of getting rid of al-baghdadi and the real problem of his longer term syria strategy which is something lindsey graham tries to be leading trump back to having more u.s. involvement in syria. it's not clear to me that this success is going to equal that. you know, these things get very complicated where you have republicans criticizing the president over syria.
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you have democrats trying to impeach him for his involvement in ukraine. is this going to change the subject on all that? i don't know. >> big question mark. just to paraphrase what lindsey graham said, he said this is a game changer in killing al-baghdadi. this is a moment when the worst critics should say well done, mr. president. zach wolf, thank you so much. we'll have much more on this breaking news after this.
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welcome back. we continue to follow breaking
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news. isis leader abu bakr al-baghdadi is dead. president trump confirming al-baghdadi's death from the white house this morning saying he, quote, died like a coward by detonating his own suicide vest. here's nick peyton walsh with more. >> reporter: his face in public only once and even then in the presence of a small number. this is the moment at friday prayers abu bakr al-baghdadi created one of the most successful and inhumane terrorist networks in history chose to reveal himself. yesterday before this, he spent a decade rising quietly. a phd student said to like football these pentagon records show his capture in 2004.
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hailed for years as a civilian. it was there that he turned. >> translator: al-baghdadi was not cruel at this time. at school he met foreigners and iraqis who filled his head with ideas. >> as he was leaving he knew my unit was from long island, new york. he looked over to us and said see you guys in new york. here we are a few years after. i look at those words in a different context right now. >> reporter: there is silence, a long stretch in the shadows of iraq's savage civil war before hitting the al qaeda sanctions list in 2011. here he led the islamic state of
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iraq. as the u.s. left iraq and the arab spring fell apart. the violence of syria's civil war became a magnet for the blood thirsty. al-baghdadi silently behind isis violence even al qaeda didn't back it. months laters its followers declaring it's caliphate. this was al-baghdadi's moment. the pinnacle of years of calculation and isis rose fast. then came the attack on an occupation of mosul. the atrocities against the people, the be headings of western hostages.
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horrors marked by an obscene worship of violence. al-baghdadi isn't visible, but a doubtless decision maker. one more terrifying thing is not isis' obsession with gruesome murder, but its harnessing of social media to create. there were atrocities committed by isis' brand to die for it. in november 2014 rumors of an air strike hitting him and then within a week a recording of his speech. it became a pattern. no public appearances mixed with randomly released audio statements. u.s. officials told cnn they believe he was injured in may 2017 and had to take time away
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from his leadership duties. from that moment onwards what was left of isis' caliphate collapsed. mosul freed from their grip in july. isis reduced to a tiny slip of land on the iraqi and syrian border. their idea, hateful, still capable of inspiring bar bar risk insanity. a man willing to lead his followers to death, but only from the shadows. >> nick, thank you so much. we have more straight ahead. first in this country nearly 200,000 are under mandatory evacuation orders in california as winds up to 80 miles an hour threaten to push wildfires into new areas. sandwiches...only littler...so we bought a little ad...on lil jon. little johns, yeah!
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welcome back. right now look at these extraordinary images here. winds pushing upwards of 80 miles an hour are intensifying fire conditions in northern california. you see those fires. they seem like they're just violent. just in, north of san francisco, you can see the flames creeping towards homes and businesses on the water front. in some cases looks like it's
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engulfed the properties there. nearly 200,000 people are under mandatory evacuation orders as these firefighters try to beat back the flames. cnn correspondent lucy cavanaugh joining us now. it's perilous and dangerous, lucy. >> reporter: and terrifying, frederica. it's been a tough morning for residents in sonoma county in northern california. a lot of folks evacuated. we got woke n up at 5:30 a.m. local time in santa rosa. we drove up to an area where the flames had been burning high. i want to show you the destruction we found. take a look. i want to show you what the fire crews have been dealing with. you see the bull dozer here. they've been digging containment
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lines on the hill. a structure is on fire. this is one of many in sonoma county in northern california that has been burning since about 4:00 a.m. local time. we'll let this bull dozer get past us. it's a critical way of helping to fight the fires. they're clearing the roadways, moving aside the brush so that cars and rescue cars can get through. i want to show you over here. this was somebody's home. it was too late for crews to save this one. there's the remains of a fireplace. that's basically the only thing left standing. this might have been a kitchen, perhaps a laundry room. some sort of washing machine there. all of this turned to >> fredricka, it's a good reminder that it's not just human beings affected by these fires. the cattle behind me is still on
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the land, most of the structures burned down, but the animals are still here. we got permission to walk around this farm area, to film around here, but these folks lost absolutely everything. just one of the many heartbreaking stories in northern california, fredericrf. >> oh, that is so heartbreaking for the animals around there. hopefully they will make it through. still ahead, a homecoming party in texas leads to bloodshed with two people killed and others injured. there is an active manhunt on the way. we're on the scene, next.
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a manhunt is underway for a gunman who police say opened fire at a homecoming party in greenville, texas last night. police say two people are dead and at least 14 others hurt. the shooting happened near texas a &m university commerce. the homecoming party was put on by students but it was not
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sanctioned by the university. we're in greenville. >> reporter: hi, fredricka. investigators continue to work through the scene here. investigators say it was just after midnight when a gunman entered the back of this building here and started opening fire with a handgun. as you mentioned, two people were killed, at least 14 others wounded or injured in the ensuing chaos as more than 750 people scrambled to get out of this building and started fleeing from this scene. oddly enough, there were two local sheriff's deputies who had been called out to the area about a half hour earlier because of the number of cars that were parked around this area, and there was a traffic concern and parking concern, and that's when the gunfire erupted. in that chaos, despite those officers being here at the scene, the gunman was able to get away in those chaotic moments after the shooting erupted. so investigators are still inside. no known motive for what might
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have happened here, but the sheriff says the predominant theory at this point is that the gunman came here targeting one person specifically, and then started shooting randomly at other people there in the crowd. fredricka? >> ed lavandera, thank you so much. still ahead, the leader of isis killed. u.s. special forces using the cover of night to raid his compound. and president trump detailing the graphic nature of the operation. cnn's special coverage of this breaking news continues next. tom steyer: donald trump is the most
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hello again, everyone. thank you so much for joining me this sunday. i'm fredricka whitfield. we begin with breaking news. the leader of isis, one of the most feared terrorist organizations in the world, is dead. abu baghdadi was killed in a raid in syria. u.s. troops raiding his compound at night. showing this photo inside the situation room during the raid. abu baghdadi is being described as a devastating blow to isis and it ends a year-long manhunt to find one of the world's