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allegations of inappropriate relationships. brace now for a bruising special election. and the president says the death of the isis leader abu bakr al baghdadi, makes america safer. he gives america a heads up about that saying he doesn't trust top democrats. >> we had a great weekend for our country. we captured a man that should have been caught a long time ago, so that was a big, big day and a big weekend, and we're very happy about it. >> back to that story a bit later, but we begin this hour with a no-show. charles kupperman failing to show up for a deposition on capitol hill, this after he filed on friday asking the judge to rule whether he has to comply with the subpoena. they said, we want to assure you

your clients, again, that it is not dr. kupperman who contests your clients' constitutional claim. it is president trump, and every president before him for at least the last half century, who have asserted testimonial immunity for their closest constitutional advisers. if your clients' position on the merits of this issue is correct, it will prevail in court. committees want to talk to kupperman mostly because he was on that july 25th phone call between president trump and ukraine's president. kupperman has now made a roadblock. adam schiff says the democrats will not be deterred. sdp >> a private citizen cannot sue the congress when they fail to come in after being sued a lawful subpoena. we will make short sh rirks hrk

that argument. in terms of whether we're due litigation or not due litigation, we press forward. >> manu raju on capitol hill. manu, how big of a setback do the democrats think this is? >> reporter: democrats really hoped he would come forward because he had taken part in that infamous july 25th phone call in which trump urged zelensky to open up an investigation into joe biden. there was discussions that led to concerns raised by john bolton about the push to investigate the bidens, the decision to withhold money for the ukranians, how this related, whether there was any quid pro quo, all those key questions democrats wanted to ask this witness. what schiff is indicating right here this morning is they're not going to get involved in what they call a lengthy court fight,

lengthy game of rope a dope. meaning, past fights in which the white house has not complied with subpoenas, when they've gone to court to fight for testimony in the house judiciary committee, the house committee in this part of the impeachment inquiry does not want something that could delay this investigation for weeks and weeks at a time. they do expect several other witnesses to come forward, including alan vizman, that's tomorrow, and three witnesses are scheduled on wednesday. that includes a state department official -- sorry, two state department officials and a defense department official, and on thursday a big event with tim morrison who sits on the national security council, someone who could corroborate some claims from the top diplomat of ukraine last week. so they are pressing ahead. the question, john, is when do they wrap up the closed portion of this investigation? we expect that to happen

sometime soon, and then phase 2 begins, whether they pursue impeachment of the president. john? >> manu raju looifr on tive on . appreciate that. with us abby phillip, michael bender with the "wall street journal," melanie with "poliltico" and also with "time." they're telling the associated press that congress is not following their own rules and precedent with that, and until they do that, i i don't want to be a participant in what i consider to be not only illegal but improper. they need to have a vote. now as they try to go up the food chain, they're having issues with higher level officials. how long are they willing to fight in court? >> up until this point we have

seen witnesses willing to come and spill their secrets, but the privilege doesn't apply in those cases, and as democrats are closing in on trump's inner circle, they are less willing to comply. democrats are going to start running into these roadblocks that will get harder and harder for them as they go on, and at some point they have to decide, is it worth it? do they want to wait for john bolton to come in? they do not want to do that, they want to get on with it. >> they would say, we're getting closer and closer to an election year. say they won like when the justice department lost in district court last week. the judge said, give them mueller documents. they said the subpoena is legitimate. then you can go to the full circuit court, then you can go to the supreme court. if the democrats fight this in

court, just that process could take us to the election year. >> it seems like it's likely to, so the decision will be do they wait for it or not? this is what hampered the mueller investigation on the paf part of congress is they were waiting for these court battles to be resolved, and during the time pelosi was trying to fend off going down the impeachment road, this is what she was telling her caucus, this is important, we will win and once we win we'll get the information we need. even if they win those fights like they did last week, it can take a long time. so the question is, how long is it going to take, and do they have enough information to make a persuasive case on what they think is important and move forward, anyway? i don't think they've decided completely whether they want to wait on courts in some of these cases and not others, or whether they're just going to completely put that off and go with what they have. >> maybe we'll have a better

sense by the end of the week as they try to get a judge to rule quickly in the kupperman case. the president is in washingtnew speaking at a meeting. the question to process the president is saying, they should fight the substance. republicans don't want to do that, because unlike the president, they don't think the ukraine call was perfect. they know what a lot of these other witnesses have said about holding up aid, holding up a potential white house visit for the president of ukraine until he agreed to investigate the bidens, et cetera. but list ton ten to the preside here. as he continues on, one of the questions is can he keep loyalty? >> i've told republicans they're really being taken advantage of, they're being maligned and i think it's a horrible thing. they're really looking to hurt the republican party, and it's

turning out to be just the opposite. so one thing i said, i would rather go into the details of the case rather than process. >> they don't. >> for a number of reasons. one is kind of what you said, the facts that are out there, a lot of republicans aren't comfortable with. but as molly alluded to before, this is part of the white house and mu mueller's playbook. they want to stay focused on no quid pro quo, witch hunt, this is all a hoax. aside from the phone call and the facts we do know, this sort of conflicts with the white house's messaging so far is we don't know everything that's been said behind closed doors. we know a lot of what's been said in this process so far, but you're asking republicans to put themselves out on a limb for details that we don't know everything that has been said yet, so there is a lot of uncomfortableness with not just

republicans but also inside the white house with asking your allies to do that. >> it's also a self-defeating comment from the president which is reaction from the president where he knows what's become said on cable tv, which he watches regularly, but it's self-defeating, because if he wants to go and talk about the substance, it really undermines the argument that there should be no cooperation until there is a process that is fair to the president. so the lawyers wrote that eight-page letter that basically said this process is a sham and we're not going to cooperate until perhaps the process starts being more fair to the president, while the president is saying, maybe the process doesn't really matter because i did nothing wrong and let's go to the mat over what i said in that call. it really complicates not just the messaging for republicans but the very thin legal strategy his lawyers put out a couple weeks ago in that eight-page letter to democrats. >> and that letter was put out

saying, don't cooperate, you don't have to. they said it was pretty thin, a political argument rather than a legal argument. but steve bannon would say, where are these people? you look weak, why aren't you stopping these people from testifying? >> pat put out this letter a couple weeks ago to say no more information and no more people going forward. i don't know why that hasn't been enforced. i think it will start to be enforced this week. i think this thing ought to be fought all the way up to the supreme court. as this process becomes more visible, you'll see this is much ado about nothing. this is schiff throwing the country into a constitutional crisis over the christmas holidays. >> he's trying to make a political argument at the end, but there is a message there he hopes the president sees, saying, you guys are weak now letting these people testify. he said, i've got a subpoena. his lawyer says it's a good

subpoena. i'm going to testify. kupperman should be the push comes to shove. >> we'll see. i think the kupperman issue is worried about consequences whether they cooperate or not. when they've got conflicting directives from the white house and congress, they're worried about legal exposure on both ends. if they testify, could there be some kind of punishment? could they try to crack down on these current government employees, try to find a way to punish them or sanction them or remove them from their posts. and if they don't then cooperate, are they worried about legal issues on their end? i think a lot of nome this situation, a lot of the potential witnesses, are in a very tight spot and are probably waiting to see what happens with the kupperman lawsuit because

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you can see on the front page all across country this morning, two officials telling cnn that abu bakr al baghdadi's remains were buried at sea. but there are more that he views as obstacles, like the chairman of the house judiciary committee. one of them decided not to weigh in on the raid. >> mr. president, are you concerned that nancy pelosi and others can't be trusted? >> adam schiff is the biggest leaker in washington. i've watched him leak. he's a corrupt politician. he's a leaker like nobody has ever seen before. >> even as the president announced the news, he could not avoid constant comparison with his predecessor. >> bin laden was a big thing, but this is the biggest there is. this is the worst ever. osama bin laden was very big, but osama bin laden became big

with the world trade center. this is a man who built a whole, as he would like to call it, a country, a caliphate. and was trying to do it again. >> cnn's kimberly dozier joins our conversation. the president has every right to be proud here, every right to take some credit here. i guess it's just the nature of him that we get involved in some of these side shows, like bin laden was known for the world trade center. there is a difference between al qaeda and isis, without a doubt, most of us knows here at the table. where was that going? >> well, you know, he can't take joy in just being part of a mission that took a major terrorist off the globe. with him it has to be the superl ativ trks irk

super superlsuper superlative above all. whoever crafted those remarks that the president read off the teleprompter very carefully led with the operators and their mission. a lot of the use of the word "we" and only if the president had stuck with that and not gone on with the q and a, he really would have been much more widely celebrated in the national security community. >> he did start off, you're dead right, with a very strong tribute to the operation, talking about what a dangerous raid it was, what a mission they undertook and how perfectly they performed. the president also noted that nobody was hurt, which was a wo his predecessor, barack obama, saying he, president trump, just finished a job that his predecessor should have. >> he should have been killed years ago. another president should have gotten him. >> you were in the room yesterday when the president was taking those questions. it is what it is, i guess. >> yeah, i mean, it was definitely a remarkable morning. for the number of times that

trump has used the diplomatic room for these types of remarks, usually they're limited to just that, just remarks, and he gets his message out and leaves. it's one of the few places in the white house he's done that. yesterday was obviously a lot different. i tried to ask him a couple times about giving credit where credit was due, and to the president's credit, he talked about the intelligence officers, he talked about his own team, which was kind of a rare moment for him. obviously he departed from that and wanted to get into the obama comparison, and now we're seeing, as he gets out of the beltway, this is going to become a much more political talking point for him in the weeks and months ahead. >> i think a giant question, especially in the national security community, is does the president take any lesson from this in the sense that you cannot have the intelligence to do what those special operators did yesterday without help of allies on the ground. without the cia on the ground, without help from the kurds, without the help from others at

the time the president was trying to lead some u.s. troops in syria. listen to defense expert mark esper here saying, yes, this was a giant success. however, there's much more to do. >> well, it's a physical caliphate, and it's hard to defeat an idealogy, so we're going to have to stay on top of this. we'll have to make sure we have the capability to go in and destroy targets as they arise. >> the language there is interesting, the capability to go in, meaning in his head he understands his commander in chief wants him to get out, get as many as you can out. again, the president would like all out. they convinced him to leave some in. it does change the mission if you have to go in. it changes your on-the-ground intelligence, it changes the quickness of your capabilities. >> it does and i think that's a case we're already hearing made by the many opponents of the president's decision to pull those troops out. on the other hand, at the time he made that initial surprise decision, his claim was isis is already defeated.

we already beat them, we already destroyed the caliphate, therefore, we don't need to be there, and you can imagine him using the death of baghdadi to bolster that case, to say not only is the caliphate destroyed but we got their leader. why do we need to be there anymore? what is left of isis now? and, you know, the fact is there is some left. but i wouldn't be surprised to hear the president make the opposite case. >> there is some left and often what this security committee worries about at this moment is those left will try to make a statement right now, right? >> yes, and also what they're worried about is since the president talked about a treasure trove of intelligence taken from the compound that this is going to cue all the sleeper isis cells in the field to move to action for fear that maybe their names, maybe their phone numbers are somewhere in that trove, and if they don't act now, they'll get captured and their mission headed off. >> i think it's also important to note here that even before

yesterday's news, the president was already trying to reverse himself in the region and starting to keep troops there to secure the oil, as he says. and he's made clear that -- i don't mean this to sound like a question of motivation, i think he believes it's important for america to reduce its footnote in the area, but he always makes this a talking point. he always says this is what he promise nd his campaign, he needs to deliver. as we go to break, more from california where he just turned his chicago speech into a police scam. >> he said maga country did it. it's a hate crime. that's a hate crime. and it's a scam. makes me wanna be better. to connect with stories that i'm listening to-

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allegations that the congresswoman had an improper relationship with staffers. you have two big stories sort of playing out at once. one is the fall from grace from one of the rising stars in this democratic freshman class, and then what we're going to get now is a special election in california. republicans say we can get this district back. democrats say, oh, no, you can't. but there will be a lot of money going into that. >> absolutely. and as always in these special elections between regular elections, we will scrutinize the heck out of it and probably read too much into it in terms of what it means for both parties' chances in the house and senate in the fall. but it actually could be a valuable indicator, right? because you have both parties spending a lot of resources trying to mobilize their respective bases for an election that most people won't be paying attention to or know anything about, so it's a test of is your

message successful in getting your partisans motivated to get off the couch and vote on a non-election day. nobody thinks california is a swing state but the demographics and political division of this district is reflective enough that it's a potential microcosm for a lot of different districts that will be contested. >> the question is, is that trend continuing? hillary clinton won it by six, so the question is is it something that can be reversed? if you're a freshman member and you're having an ethics investigation and you're worried about your future, you would turn to someone for advice on what should you do? nancy pelosi said, congresswoman katie hill came to congress with a powerful commitment to her

community and a bright vision for the future, and has made a great contribution as a leader of the freshman class. she has acknowledged errors in judgment that made her continued service as a member untenable. we must ensure a climate of integrity and dignity in the congress, and in all workplaces. >> katie hill was one of her allies in california and one of the so-called majority makers, and she was a member of nancy pelosi's legal team. she was someone who was thought to be under her wing. but at the end of the day, she made clear what she thought should have happened, and now there will be a race to replace her in leadership. i'm sure members will be chomping at the bit to get her. >> this is a double standard for katie hill, for a woman member of congress. if a man had done this, if the president had done something like this, would we be having the same conversation? in that statement pelosi is essentially saying, we're not going down that road, that we are going to try to hold everyone to a higher standard,

and i don't want to open the door to this kind of argument accident weaponized against not only katie hill but other members who are running next year as pelosi aims to hold onto her majority and even potentially expand it next year. >> it's an interesting point. i'm leaving it to the women at the table to answer it. there was a sensitive columnist who raised this very point. she said, it wasn't until last year that the house changed its rules to inhibit relationships between members and their employees. for decades, male lawmakers got a away with those sorts of shenanigans. wouldn't you know it, the first one to fall afoul of the rule is a woman. >> it's not fair, it's a double standard. look at duncan hunter, someone

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conference in georgia saturday he warned the president before he left to choose his next chief of staff carefully or he'd end up in the very mess he's in right now. >> i said, whatever you do, don't hire a yes man, someone that's going to tell you -- won't tell you the truth. don't do that. because if you do, i believe you'll be impeached. >> the president fired back saying kelly never said that at the time, and if he did, he would have thrown kelly out of the office. adding kelly just wants to be back in the action. then there was this comment this morning. >> i would be surprised if he made those comments in a negative way, but i don't think the response would be if he actually said that, if he actually meant that, i said what i do, and that i mean. >> i'm confused at the end there where that was supposed to go. but, look, john kelly was there when a lot of the ten potential

counts of obstruction of justice in the mueller report happened, so this idea that i saved the president from anything bad happening at the white house is, shall we say, revisionist history. however, the idea that on the way out he said, don't hire a yes man, i assume he means he's not a fan of mick mulvaney? >> it's funny, though, because trump's response to that criticism basically affirms the criticism, right? by trump saying if anybody had said something mean to me, i would have thrown them out of my office, basically saying, yes, i on only want yes men around me, who won't tell me i'm in danger of impeachment, who won't keep me from doing things illegal, who won't tell me what the consequences will be. >> we only know this is john kelly's calling card trying to narrow the scope of the president doing whatever he wanted in the white house. he was sometimes successful, sometimes not, but it was definitely a dig at mick mulvaney who also, based in our reporting in his own words,

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off the countdown. we make our way through february, another 1% of the delegates, and rounded out on saturday, february 29 of 2020, south carolina. if you've been doing the math at home, that's just over 4.1% of the available delegates will be decided in that first early contest. they're critical, of course, to getting momentum. then, of course, bam. 36% of the delegates decide in one day. 4% of the first four contests, 36% of them on one day right here. to get to march, though, you need momentum and you need money. there are a lot of questions of late about joe biden's fundraising. he says, not too worried. >> i know i'm a frontrunner. fly me a national poll with a couple exceptions.

but look, this is a marathon. i'm not worried about being able to fund this campaign. i really am not, truly. i don't personally want a superpac. i don't want any part of that. i didn't change my opinion. i could not stop them if i wanted to stop them. it's their right to do it. >> that last part is just not true. it's not true and joe biden knows that. he said repeatedly at the beginning of the campaign he wouldn't have a superpac, but that's not where the party is anymore. the guy building it up for him is going back to the 1980s. joe biden said don't do it, larry would not do it. why not just give an honest answer. i'm not raising as much money as i need, so now we have to go this route. >> because he has to take back what he said before, no money in politics. that's exactly where the

crossroads he found himself. he can say he's not worried about the ability to make money, but his campaign clearly is. his campaign saw those receipts from the last quarter, is seeing the reception they're getting from donors now, and he is still the frontrunner in terms of polling, but there is a big concern inside of his orbit about whether he'll be able to keep pace with the other candidates as these contests get closer. >> warren, sanders and buttigieg all have more money in the bank than biden, three times in cases than what he had. bernie sanders, he knows what's happening. he's trying to, a, help his own base but get in biden's face a little bit. i've said it before and i'll say it again, you can't fix a corrupt system if you're taking more money, meaning a superpac. >> if he's the only one going

against donald trump, he has to contend with the millions of dollars trump and the rnc have raised in just the last quarter. it's a problem if even at this stage joe biden, even with a hybrid funding operation, he's raising money online and he's raising money from big donors, can't compete with some of the other candidates like warren ask b -- and biden who have foregone the big funding operations. that's a weakness as you go into the federal elections. >> he's stayed resilient in the polls when a lot of people say, he's going to fall, look at warren. he's competitive in the state polls and he has a broad coalition, especially as you o move on those later states. pete buttigieg, on the other hand, has a ton of money. he's moving up in the iowa polls. his own focus group said the

most conservative among the democrats might have a problem with him being gay. >> i think people at the end of the day need to know you as a person. that's your job as a candidate, is to make sure people know you well. i think as long as i convey to voters here and across the country what my presidency would mean to their everyday lives, then a lot of that other stuff will follow. >> it's interesting, a lot of other stuff will follow, meaning he would spend the time face to face with these voters and try to win them over. >> that is a challenge for mayor pete is that he needs to appeal beyond white voters right now, and that will be the challenge. >> i was with pete buttigieg the whole weekend in south carolina. the biggest thing he's facing is black voters have absolutely no idea who he is. i talked to many of them who said they basically recognized his face or his name, so they're having a problem getting black voters to come to him. he has no problem getting white voters to come to him. he had a town hall in rockville,

a 40% black city. he had 20% people, a majority of them were white. >> and still a lot of loyalty to biden as well. up next in our lightning round, the president goes to the ball game and gets booed. could the right voice, the right set of words, bring us all just a little closer? get us to open up? even push us further? it could, if we took the time to listen. the most inspiring minds, the most compelling stories. download audible and listen for a change.

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of the world series. there were some cheers but then there were some boos. >> trump go home. ♪ >> trump go home! >> you were in the box office last night. a lot came up about the campaign. >> i don't know if there is a major league ballpark trump could go to and not get booed at this point. their team was down, they lost three at home, but besides that, they've been targeted by this president. the president's criticism of "to drain the swamp" and his constant critiques of the deep state. there are 3,000 federal workers in washington, and last night they gave him a little of his own medicine. >> and the nats lost. to houston we go.

don't go anywhere. brianna keilar starts right now. have a great afternoon. i'm brianna keilar live from cnn's washington headquarters. underway right now, defiance on a new level. one of the former officials on the president's infamous call with ukraine refused to show up before congress. and one of the world's most wanted terrorists is dead, but did president trump reveal too much about the secret operation that took down the leader of isis? plus after starting his day receiving accolades for the operation, the president ended it with boos in his own backyard as people in washington chanted, lock him up. and inapp