direction. the fan was faced with a very tough choice. catch the home run ball or keep holding his beers in both hands. he chose both. stopping the ball with his chest while holding and managing not to spill his beer. unfortunately, the nationals lost. game 6 tomorrow in houston. go nats. i'm wolf blitzer. erin burnett outfront starts now. breaking news, democrats announce the first full house vote on impeachment signaling a new stage in the impeachment investigation of donald trump. new details about a republican senator contacts with key ukrainian officials raising questions about his role in the you yukraine scandal and joe bi calls president trump an idiot and inept. is this new biden what voters want? good evening. tonight, the breaking news. the first full house vote on

impeachment. democrats this hour say the impeachment investigation is entering a new phase. according to nancy pelosi there will be a vote that will lay out the ground rules for public hearings. democrats insist this is major move. they hope it will shut down the key talking point from republicans and president trump. >> i know people are still in a basement in a secure room in the basement trying to make us look as bad as possible. >> these impeachment proceedings are rigged. they are being held in secret. >> they decided we will do this behind closed doors away from the view of the american people which is un-american. >> a source tells cnn this is paving the way to the public hearings and the transcript coming out and the resolution is expected to be introduced tomorrow. republicans are saying this vote is a sham. mark meadows saying unless you have a vote of inquiry on the house floor, a rule vote is not the same thing.

owe no you know it's not the same thing. a lot of questions tonight about this vote. let's gos to c-- go to capitol hill. now this will become a game of semantics and fighting. tell us what you know about what this vote will do. >> reporter: there's the procedure, there's the technical and the political here. let's bottom line this. this vote which is expected to take place will lay out the road path for president trump to become the third president in the history of the united states to be impeached. it lays out process and procedures for public hearings which we know democrats have been saying will be coming likely in the weeks ahead. for depositions to become public. the transcripts behind closed doors. for the transition of sending evidence from the three committees investigating over to the judiciary hearing and it would lay oit the due process the president would have for his defense counsel throughout the process going forward for

impeachment. what this does is lay out how this will work. the political here, democrats have acknowledged this could take away the talking point that as you played repeatedly, republicans have been seizing on over the course of the last couple of weeks. republicans have made clear. i talked to a couple of republican senators over here. they say if it opens up, it's good. a lot of republicans echo what mark meadows said this has been a sham. they say nothing the democrats do will change the fact this is quote ill legitimate. the back and forth isn't going to stop but the bottom line, the part that's most important is in the weeks ahead, democrats are moving forward. it will be in public and there will be articles of impeachment that will receive a full house vote. >> thank you very much. obviously, this is the road path. this is it. how it's going to go from here and you have reporting about how the white house is thinking

about this vote announcement. >> they have been saying this is ill legitimate. this isn't a real investigation but as this first vote has been introduced and scheduled to be le held this week, white house aides are figuring out what they will do going forward. their main argument has been this is an illlegitimate investigation being done in secret. both of those things could change in their eyes if the hearings are starting to be held out in the public in the open for every one to watch and see and learn what it is these current and former officials are saying. if they move forward with this, if they go as far as to hold this vote making this a formal impeachment inquiry, there are some pros and cons for the white house. the cons would be it would take away their talking point. they say all of this is illlegitimate. this isn't real, this isn't happening above ground. the pros could be for the white house is they could have counsel present in the room cross

examing the witnesses and have access to the evidence they haven't been able to get their hands on. another con is the white house won't be able to argue is the democrats have no legislative argument to vote, they feel like they would have moree. so far inside the white house say they are waiting for that. >> thank you. we all are waiting for the details. let's go to democratic congressman who sits on the committee. help me understand this vote a bit more, if you can. one crucial thing republicans have wanted is the right to the power to issue subpoenas. does that change with this vote or not? >> well, let's just remind everybody that nothing in the constitution or federal law or house rules requires us to take this vote. the federal court just last week

affirmed we were engaged in an official inkwiequirinquiry. this is the national acc accumulation of this mounting evidence against the president as manifested in the text exchanges that were revealed. most incriminating was the president's own statement in that recorded phone call with president zelensky in which he said i would like us to do us a favor though. a confession that was signed by his chief of staff mick mulvaney in a later press conference. the really interesting question is since the republicans have been demanding this for weeks and being presented with it, are they going to vote no. indeed most of them will because they aren't interesting in getting at the truth and they will invent another truth.

>> you're saying you will lay out the road map for public hearings. counsel in the room, right? i understand that's also part of it, dates of transcripts from all the depositions you've done will be released. >> as we have been saying for weeks, we would do. >> what about subpoenas? this is important to them. they would have the power to issue subpoenas. >> to my knowledge we haven't been presented with a list of witnesses they would like to subpoena. no nobody is fooling anybody. they are objecting the process and not doing what they have failed to do all along which is actually defend the president for his behavior, for his solicitation by a foreign government of interference in a domestic election. >> house intelligence committee

chairman, he says that the committee still has quote further depositions to do. when will it begin? is this next week, the week after, when in. >> i don't think we have a hard and fast timetable. let's give a little definition to your characterization of this. in fact, 122 of 435 members serve on one of the three committees and have access to the depositions to date we have taken. it'scharacterize, the time allowed for questioning our witnesses has been equally divided, 50/50 even though republicans don't constitute 50% of the membership of those three committees. >> total time has been 50/50, not just every person gets equal

time. >> which is interesting. i know we pointed out each individual got equal time but you're saying each party. what does this mean for the timeline? i know you don't know specifically, but is your goal, do you think it's reasonable to say the house will be voting on articles of impeachment before thanksgiving? >> i would not venture to make that guess at there time. i would reiterate that which we have indicated before. without being hasty, we want to be deliberate. i think we all recognize this cannot go on for ever and and one of the biggest challenges we have is where do you cut it off. we have considerable mounting evidence. nobody wants this to tgo on forever. >> i appreciate your time. next, a question witness, a john bolton ally was a no show on capitol hill today. especially with this vote, what will democrats and what can democrats do about that? new questions about a republican senator's connections

to ukraine. how ron johnson is becoming a more central player in the ukraine scandal. joe biden calls trump an idiot. goes after him on taxes. >> you want the deal with corruption, start to act like it. release your tax returns or shut up. >> is this new more aggressive biden what people want? ♪ ♪

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break news, a top republican senator praising house speaker pelosi decision to have a full vote, john thune telling cnn it would be great if the house would open this process up. i think it would be an entirely different conversation we would be having. i suspect it would create an entirely different environment. it's interesting he thinks that. others like mark meadows are saying the opposite tonight. already saying they don't think this means anything. we'll see how this plays out.

obviously, that's a big question. let me start with you. that gave everybody the talking point. you have the secrecy and it gives republicans this talking point but now she's also part of the reason she didn't want to do it is put democrats on the hot seat with an impeeachment vote. now they have to show where they stand. >> it will. i was just communicating with somebody who is potentially on that line who pointed out something very interesting to me which is since three, four weeks ago, a lot of the dynamics of not -- put their

money where their mouth is. that could hurt them in the short term and maybe in the long term. they were going to have to take a vote at some point so it's going to be sooner than they planned. >> there's no other place this would end other than a formal article. democrats are saying this vote is going to put the transcripts of the depositions public. they will set the procedures. how do you have counsel from the opposing side given a chance to cross examine. all those things will happen as a result of this vote. the senate majority whip said this could create an entirely

different environment which seems to be perhaps, wishful thinking. did democrats need a vote to do these things? to have a procedure and all of these things. >> as a matter of procedure, no. i don't think they actually needed it to be able to conduct their inquiry. i think it's a really positive development. there are aspects of the investigation. fr for example, the fact the house intelligence committee has taken on a leadership role in the impeachment investiation. house intelligence is not institutionally the best committee in terms of its role. it's supposed to be conducting oversight of the intelligence community. it's not really the best fit for conducting impeachment inquiry and they had a big role. i think it's important that the house is now going to provide some transparency for how they plan to communicate the evidence that's been gathered by house intel and the other two committees and how they will

transmit that informtion to the judiciary committee which really is the right place for the impeachment investigation to be housed. >> john, this will be the first full house vote when it comes to the trump impeachment inquiry. is it a smart move to be doing this right now? >> i think she knows what she's doing. she knows her caucus very well. she knows who it might hurt, who it might help and they weighed that and probably had discussions about it. i don't think this is an accident that it's happening. it's not being forced by the -- as talking point to remove a talking point from the republicans. i think it's strategically a good move to lay out some ground rules. the rules committee is the right place to do it. it will start more transparency and i think the republicans will regret they want this tra

transparent. it's not going play well publicly. >> yesterday representative jeffreys said he did not believe the inquiry would wrap up by the end of the year. is there a split among democrats? do some of them believe with an election coming, that's how the vote will go. do some of them believe nietds to move much faster. >> there's differences of opinion on that issue. this is the difference is we talked about before between this inquiry and the two major ones in the past both nixon and clinton where they were working with the bones and clinton, the total investigation, the ken star report. here they are doing it from scratch. because of that, they don't know and they didn't know from the beginning where it would take them. some of the delay, if there is such a thing is because they are waiting on the courts but most is because as they talk to

witnesses, it begets more witnesses and more information. it's a true investigation that does take longer than they anticipated. if there's a difference, it's when do we kind of just end it and move on and say we've got enough or how much more meat do we want to put on this bone to say look at all the fd evidence have found. >> in a sense they are in a tough spot because they say we have it all in the transcript than and that was six weeks ago. today the former deputy national security adviser failed to appear for his deposition and the white house has tried to prevent witnesses from testifying, stopping any documents from being handed over. purely technically, do you think this vote will force trump to hand over documents and to allow people to speak or do each of these individual fights over witnesses testify still go through the courts after this vote? >> i don't think the vote thursday in the house is going

to change the white house's strategy in terms of their obstructing as much documents or as many witnesses as they can from cooperating with this investigation. the house will continue even with this vote to have to deal with each witness individually so they can request the witness to appear and if they decline they can subpoena the witness and then go to court if they declined. i don't think it will change the white house's strategy but it does change the optics of the proceedings where now there's at least a process that will be explained a little bit more openly. >> all of you stay with me. next, an american senator is caught up in the ukraine controversy. someone that would be casting a vote in the senate. why his connections are making him a possible witness. joe biden now trash talking trump trying to perhaps out

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new tonight, republican senator becoming a central figure in the ukraine scandal. ron johnson met with a diplomat who has pushed baseless conspiracy theories about the 2016 election. we're learning this meeting happened two weeks before president trump's infamous call with ukraine's president where he asked the ukrainian president for a favor to investigate that same conspiracy theory and joe

biden. phil matingly is out front. >> mr. president. >> reporter: as evidence mounts that the trump administration dwruzing foreign aids to ukraine as a political weapon, one gop senator's name has repeatedly popped up. ron johnson. it's an interesting twist for the wisconsin republican who is a close ally of president trump but the chair of a panel that overseas europe and vice chair of the senate ukraine caucus. he's a strong proponent of u.s. aide and assistance to ukraine. he signed onto a 2016 letter urging then ukraine president to press ahead with forms to battle corruption. the same reformed pushed by the obama administration. he's not only a potential juror in impeachment trial but a witness for democratic investigators. william taylor testified last week johnson was party to a quote irregular channel that has become central to the investigation into why $391

million in u.s. aid was withheld. johnson and three officials briefed trump following their return from zelensky's inauguration in may. taylor testified the group backed him but trump did not share their enthusiasenthusiasm. >> i was surprised at the president's reaction which was been consistent throughout this. first of all, he talked about the level of corruption in ukraine and there's all kinds of smoke about hillary clinton campaign, the dnc being involved in the 2016 election. >> reporter: sondland said the group was told to talk to mr. rudy giuliani. it was apparent to all of us that the key to changing the president's mind on ukraine was mr. rudy giuliani. johnson in an interswru the wall street journal recounted in an august 30th call sondland told him aid to yukraine was

contingent on aids to democrats. at that i winced. my reaction was oh, god, i don't want to see those two things combined. johnson said trump told him personally in call afterwards that was not the case and proceeded to go all in on his defense of trump on tv. >> why did you wince and what did you mean by these two things combined? >> well, first of all, you said it was very unbiassed. let me before i start answering, let me talk about why i'm pretty sympathetic with what president trump has gone through. he's had to endure a false accusation. you have john brennan on. you ought to ask what did peter s struck mean. >> reporter: days after that the senator was back in ukraine with chris murphy to meet with zelensky. both said it was clear they had bipartisan support. >> he gave us a positive

response and told us he had no interest in getting dragged into american politics. >> reporter: johnson aids said the reason johnson keeps popping up is he was doing his job. his job because he's been involved in ukraine policy for the last five years. it's interesting no democratic investigators have reached out to johnson even though he continues to appear and johnson was asked by me, if he felt like he needed to recuse himself if the senate does have to vote or consider the impeachment issue. he said he doesn't. i asked why not. he said, quote, i just don't have to. >> thank you very much. that's going to be a big question. maybe he does not have to but will he have to. every one is back with me. john, let me start with you. what's your reaction? senator johnson spent time in ukraine. knows all the players here. talked to the president. said he winced when he seemed he was presented with what he thought was a qui di pro quo and

bought into the president's side of it. we are learning he talked about the conspiracy theory of ukraine in the 2016 election two weeks before the phone call. what is this all add up to you? >> well, what could happen is the house as it proceeds is not likely to call him as a witness if they they like what he has. the managers could take depositions before they go to trial and could take his deposition and that could result in forcing him to recuse himself because we don't really know what he knows or what his position is. he has to take an oath to be impartial as a nebrasmember of senate. i'm not sure he can take it unless he is very open about what he knows and what he did and what he didn't do. >> do you think there could be even more that senator johnson may know when it comes to ukraine especially with the

context of when he thought it was a connection between aid and investigations, he winced. >> i don't know what he knows but what i can tell you is i just don't feel like this is quite adding up yet based on the reporting that we have. the reason i say that is because senator johnson had been a real supporter of aid to ukraine. you show the clip of him going on a bipartisan basis with senator murphy. he had supported aid to ukraine. it does look like he has defe defended the president. one question i have is whether or not the president was truthful with senator johnson in their communications about what the motivations were for withholding the aid to ukraine. certainly, why that aid was withheld is a critical issue for the house to unpack. i'm not sure we have enough facts to understand which siefds

that senator johnson was falling on. >> both things can be true. senator johnson who is now and was a very big proponent of getting u.s. aid to ukraine could have winced when he heard something that clearly other republicans have said publicly was inappropriate tieing that aid to investigating corruption. that could be true. it also could be true and is true that senator johnson believes that bad things went on in the obama administration, the inquiry into donald trump. i talked to him about it. he's been on the air here and other places and he wants to look into that. we have looked into this also and it doesn't look to be accurate. he would want to look into that and also not want it to be tied to aid. >> you talk about having to take

an oath. if there's a question about ron johnson can do it, how do democrats like senators warren, sanders and booker take it when they have said the president should be impeached? >> i don't think any of them have any direct involvement. i think that would separate them and a lot of jurors when they just in regular juries have to take an oath of their impartialiimpartia impartiality and people are asking if they can set aside their preconceived notions and most can. i think that's what would happen with these democrats wo haho ha been out spoken on this. thank you. biden and trump have a history of personal attacks but biden is upping the ante. we're learning details about how officials were able to identify isis leader abu bakr al-baghdadi. it's a network that gives you...

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new tonight, joe biden on the attack. the former vice president saying abu bakr al-baghdadi was killed despite the president's ineptude as commander in chief not even giving him the credit of taking down this terrorist. this comes after this insult biden lobbed another trump. >> president trump says russian interference is a hoax.

>> he's an idiot on terms of saying that. everybody knows it. everybody knows it. nobody doubts it. >> outfront now, a former senior adviser to mitch mcconnell and former mayor of philadelphia who is a joe biden supporter. this appears to be a new, nmore aggressive joe biden. -- it's fighting fire with fire. the thing about it, erin, it's not like what vice president

biden said is not true. 16 different federal intelligence agencies agreed that russia did interfere with the 2016 presidential election to harm hillary clinton and to benefit donald trump. that's a fact that donald trump refuses to recognize. on that point, he's an idiot. it's true. >> when the president uses words people are quick to call him unpresidential. obviously joe biden is not the president and there are different standards which is a point. >> donald trump has said worse. that is true. i'm sure scott will acknowledge. scott, biden fought back when asked if he had a message for trump. i wanted to play how he continued. >> president trump has said publicly joe biden and his son are stone cold corrupt. chances are he's watching this interview. anything you want to say to him? >> mr. president, release your tax returns. let's see how straight you are,

okay, old buddy. i put out 21 years of mine. show us your tax returns. what are you hiding? you want to deal with corruption, start to act like it. release your tax returns or shut up. >> scott, will that work? just in terms of the tone with voters. >> sure. i think it's who biden is. this isn't all that new. several times during this campaign joe biden has said things like he wants to punch donald trump. he wants to beat him up behind the schoolyard because he's bawly and that's how you treat bullies. >> that's what he said last time around. now it's interesting he's gotten more, at least, he was trying to play the statesman like part. i'm not going to stoop to this. this is, at least in tone over the past couple of months different. >> sure. i's a far cry from his launch video. the video that the biden campaign put out to launch the campaign was the high minded video that's who he was trying to be.

now he's acting like who he really is calling people idiots. donald trump engages in this kind of rhetoric as well. on this particular issue, i wonder the people are woerndsing who is the idiot. the person who has the quibbles with the intelligence report or the person who was the vice president of the yiet whunited when the russians meddled. i agree with the mayor. they did it on joe biden's watch. who is the idiot here? >> this is the kind of talk that will happen, mayor. this is what this opens. >> yeah, i appreciate that. having sat on a seat and you sat on a few as well, it will be interesting to hear your thoughts on what was the federal going to do in the middle of an election while that activity was taking place. i'm sure you would be crying that the president obama and his administration and vice president biden were trying to interfere in the election. the fact of the matter is that donald trump, as a candidate,

asked and encouraged, its on tape, russia to go after hillary clinton. he did it again with the ukraine president call. that's his m.o. the vice president is absolutely correct. on this issue, donald trump refuses to recognize that russia did interfere with the 2016 election. that's a fact. you can't dispute that and you should just acknowledge that. >> here is the thing about it. >> that's what we're talking about here. >> he is an idiot. >> who is an idiot over what is not discussion anybody wants to have. the reason i bring that up is because trump's a tough guy to take on. he will be nastier and dirtier than anybody else. if you're going to punch the guy, he will come back and call you 50 whorrific names that people will repeat. people who run against him who have decided to stop taking the

high road, here are a few of them and here is what they said. >> donald, you're a coward and lever heide alone. >> you know what they say about men with small hands. you can't trust them. you can't trust them. >> i got to get this off my chest. donald trump is a jerk. you cannot insult your way to the presidency. >> they all lost. they all lost. they all tried before they did that to not get into the mud. what do can you say, scott? is biden at that risk or is biden going to play this better than anybody else? >> yeah, just taking my partisan hat off and putting my analyst on. i wouldn't add vise this strategy. presidential campaigns are reactions to the previous and the reaction to the previous campaign would be to take the high road and try to be optimistic and try to be who joe biden claimed he was going to be when he launched his campaign. he's now taking a different path

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we also have learned that baghdadi's remains have been buried at sea and we could be seeing photos or video from the raid in the coming days. out front now, robert o'neill, i appreciate your time. we understand there may be images of video. i know president obama didn't want to release any images of osama bin laden's body. he feared it could be used as a recruiting tool for terrorists. what do you think of releasing images of this raid? >> for the bin laden raid obama was right. we have them, we didn't release them because that will cause a firestorm. with this one -- i agree with that. eventually they should be released. we did it. with this one, if they have video of what happened right before he detonated, he ignited

his suicide vest, that's an ugly video and i don't think people really want to see that. if photos would do something, a video certainly would do that. they have them. i just hope it doesn't turn into, hey, hey, look what we did to them. plus, if operators are seen in a video. everything is political. i would hate to see people monday morning quarterbacking, he did this, he shouldn't have done that. if there's video of people shooting two females with a suicide vest -- >> better not to. why? >> everyone does not need to see this. it's important for people to do the dna tests, do those tests, we confirm it's him and that should be it. justice is served. i don't want -- i would hate to see the actions of these very, very brave men on target get politicized. >> right. and i want to play for you something the president said during his announcement. this is on a continuum. we're on a continuum here of a

war that started a long time ago. here's something president trump just said. >> this is the biggest. this is the worst ever osama bin laden was big. he became big with the world trade center. this is a man who build a hole, as he would like to call it, a country, a caliphate and was trying to do it again. >> this is the biggest there is. what do you think about that, trying to make it relative. this is bigger than osama bin laden. >> it's definitely different. he had the system running. i don't think the two are the same. he was more brutal. i mean, it's hard to say that, too. this is a guy abu bakr al

baghdadi, he burned people alive. not even bin laden disagreed with that. i mean, the guy is different. they went in there on helicopters at first. it's very, very important. it shouldn't be that we're having conversations. >> he said that there were a few that got out. only a few out of the prisons and they've been largely recaptured. his envoy overseeing the isis fight then said the number is over 100 who have escaped. we don't know where they are. >> that's a problem.

this is a weird war zone. some people want to help them, some don't. did that happen, i don't know. >> next, from shoes to booze. jeanne moos on a tax trump and past presidents have dodged. there's the amped-up, over-tuned, feeding-frenzy-of sheet-metal-kind. and then there's performance that just leaves you feeling better as a result. that's the kind lincoln's about. ♪

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here's jeannie. >> reporter: mr. president trump looked at the first lady and smiled and smiled and smiled, was he hearing what we were hearing? >> boo. >> boo. >> lots of booing plus an impeach trump banner and veterans for impeachment peeping out behind home plate not to mention. >> lock it up. >> lock him up. >> hey, but at least nobody threw any shoes at him like they did at president george w. bush in baghdad. was that a ball or a strike? practically all politicians get booed. for instance, mike pence arriving at the broadway musical "hamilton." >> i nudged my kids and told them that's what freedom sounded like. >> freedom sounded like this when hillary clinton said bernie sanders wasn't a democrat until he ran for president. >> well, it's true. it's true. you know it's true.

>> reporter: it's bad enough getting booed but imagine getting booed on your birthday. that's what happened to rudy giuliani on his 74th birthday at his beloved yankee stadium. >> new york yankees wish a very happy birthday to mayor giuliani. >> happy birthday, rudy, said "the new york post." president obama even god booed by the boy scouts after he sent a video message rather than appearing in person at the scout jamboree. >> boo. >> reporter: but obama turned boos to cheers at the democratic convention. >> where's donald trump? don't boo, vote. >> reporter: candidate trump got booed for trying to silence jeb bush. >> let me talk. >> quiet. >> a lot of times -- >> reporter: don't bother trying to shush an entire stadium.

you're destined to strike out big league. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> and thanks so much for joining us. ac 360 with anderson starts now. good evening. we start with breaking news tonight. house speaker nancy pelosi this afternoon announced the impeachment inquiry is about to enter a new, more public phase trying to at least in part undercut a key republican talking point in the process. the speaker informed her colleagues in a letter that the house will hold a vote on thursday on rules that establish the rights of the public to see the information collected from witnesses during closed-door testimony and how that information will be transferred to the judiciary committee which is responsible for recommending articles of impeachment. it will also establish the rights of the president and his do counsel as they head for an impeachment vote. much of her letter was not about the process