welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. two more trump insiders provide impeachment building blocks, detailing to congress how rudy giuliani ran a shadow ukraine policy and how aid was held up by the president at a time he was pushing ukraine to launch an investigation of the bidens. plus, impeachment not the only white house political worry. a new government report out today details slowing economic growth, a growth rate well below what president trump promised. and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell could soon be washington's most important impeachment player but he's holding his cards tight and suggesting senate democrats help

get some other government business done while the impeachment debate is still on the house side of the capitol. >> i think it's pretty clear our democratic colleagues do not have a great affinity for president trump, but the country cannot afford for democrats in congress to take a one-year vacation from any productive legislation just because they'd rather obsess over impeachment. we begin the hour up on capitol hill where democrats are constructing their impeachment case against the president one building block at a time. today two more witnesses offering their own perspective on the inquiry especially regarding the shadow foreign policy on ukraine led by rudy giuliani. catherine croft a special advisor on ukraine for the state department up first. her opening statement says she took calls from a lobbyist who wanted the u.s. ambassador to ukraine gone. she says she was told that president trump ordered his acting chief of staff mick mulvaney to put an informal hold

on security aid to ukraine. next up, christopher anderson, who held croft's position before her. anderson's opening statement describes a call in june where john bolton raised concerns about rudy giuliani's role in ukraine foreign policy. this testimony coming yesterday after dramatic testimony. a source telling cnn vinman testified the white house edited out a few keyword and details in that memo detailing the july 25th call with ukraine's president. the white house denies any such edits. here with me to share the reporting and and their insig s insights. two more trump foreign policy insiders. the democrats have this methodical approach and at the

center of it again today rudy giuliani and the people who were supposed to be doing this saying what is he doing involved in this and why are things going awry. >> you're starting to see some cohesion in the pushback on that coming from republicans and allies of the president which is, well, there's just a difference of opinion about what american foreign policy should be and the president should be allowed to have whatever foreign policy he wants and if he wanted rudy giuliani out there doing his foreign policy, so be it. that is the pushback developing. again and again you are having officials come forward in this testimony completely corroborating what was in the whistleblower complaint. >> you're seeing more and more too just how difficult it's getting for republicans to make those arguments based on substance which goes completely against what the president had urged his allies on capitol hill and elsewhere to do that this week, stop arguing so much on the process and argue more on the substance. you see with the drip drip drip we see coming from the testimonies of respected

officials in their respected fields under oath. it becomes really difficult for republicans to even try to defend the president on the substance. what you've seen a lot, particularly from senate republicans who have been a little bit more reserve ed than their house counterparts is they that they're deferring commenting saying i'm going to be a juror, i don't want to talk about this too much. >> we'll come a little bit later to the president. he keeps insisting in recent days they should focus on the substanc substance. the president won the election. he has every right to conduct his own foreign policy. when his state department is not looped in, when his national security advisor is objecting all the time, i don't think that's how they teach it at wharton, how to run a successful organization. christopher anderson working with the special envoy volker, it says on june 13th i

accompanied volker to a meeting with john bolton. however, he cautioned that mr. giuliani was a key voice with the president on ukraine which could be an obstacle to increased white house engagement. the people hired by the trump administration to do ukraine policy to try to help them against russian aggression, the whole time having to worry about the president's personal attorney and still unspoken in this who was making money in ukraine while he was doing this. >> right, who had another agenda entirely. initially we had heard that there was a lot of uncomfortable people with giuliani's involvement. now they have faces, now they have names and they're all telling their story to the house. the more that happens, you have to wonder when does giuliani end up on the hill or will he end up on the hill, because it all seems to center with him, a lot of these arguments. >> you're also seeing in full

view the disagreements within the administration over ukraine policy. not only are you having a shadow foreign policy, but you're having career diplomats who saw the value in aid to ukraine, who believed in cracking down on corruption. and we're sort of carrying on the policies of the obama administration and where joe biden was on these issues of needing to provide aid but in term for crackdown on corruption. giuliani threw a wrench in that whole foreign policy engagement. now you're seeing these diplomats come forward and talk about the foreign policy in addition to the shadow foreign policy that was being run. >> again, catherine croft in her testimony, i received multiple calls from lobbyi isist robert livingston who told me the ambassador should be fired. it was not clear to me at the time or now at whose direction or whose expense mr. livingston was seeking the removal of the

ambassador. i documented these calls and told my boss i was not aware of any action taken in response. so you have a republican lobbyist in town pushing for this. we also know unrelated to impeachment, the number two at the state department is the president's choice to be the next ambassador to moscow. he's over on the senate side. he was asked a similar question about rudy giuliani during his confirmation hearing. >> my knowledge in the spring and summer of this year about any involvement of mr. giuliani was in connection with a campaign against our ambassador to ukraine. >> you were given a packet of disinformation attempting to smear ambassador yovanovitch. do you know it was mr. giuliani who created that package? >> to this day, i don't know that. i did ask but i don't know. >> and no one told you where it

came from? >> no. >> so it happened by immaculate conception. >> hence, my referral of the package. >> you get a couple of things. number one, how uncomfortable they are but that something was going on that was outside of the normal process. this goes back to the impeachment debate but to the broader argument of people in the administration trying do i their jobs and essentially putting on blinders when all this stuff is happening around them that they find reckless, wrong and improper, how do i ignore this and do my job? >> to the point of not wanting to be associated with giuliani whatsoever. it's pretty striking in testimony from the deputy secretary of state. >> he also said in testimony earlier that he kind of subtly rebuked what trump and giuliani were doing here, saying that soliciting investigations into a

domestic political opponent, i don't think that would be in accord with our values. you see how even as the president and his administration to explain away what he did in that phone call with president zelensky, that other people who want promotions to key positions in the administration are trying to back away. >> even senators are saying a similar thing. you have republican senators saying i don't like what he did, i wouldn't do that, but i don't think it's an impeachable offense. >> and part of the more information is colonel vinman who was up there yesterday, a decorated won a purple heart in iraq, the president is trying to question his character. the white house release add mea. colonel vinman says he pushed the white house to fix it. he said there were some deficiencies in it. vinman saying that there were specific references to biden and

specific references where the ellipses are in that memo that they were it seems to be edited out. he did not say why but he says he tried to get them back in there. so maybe it's not so perfect. >> the things that were in those ellipses are things that the president has said in public already, things like, well, there's a tape of biden saying this or the president mentioning the gas company. in some ways, president trump has said everything in public already that is now being discussed behind closed doors. >> although i do wonder what the tape of joe biden, if he's referring in fact to the 2018 tape where joe biden is speaking before the council on foreign relations and talking about the president he put on poroshenko, the president of ukraine at the time. >> also public. >> or if there's some other tape that the president is referencing in that memo about the call. i don't think we know that yet.

>> the president's claim that this is a perfect transcript of a perfect call is called into question certainly by this testimony. >> right, without a doubt. then again to the point that republicans, you know, there was no quid pro quo, there's been a lot of testimony there was quid pro quo. the call is perfect. now there's testimony what they released was edited, conveniently so. if you're a republican and the president says go out on the substance, that could be quicksand. if you have a question about the impeachment tweet us, use the hashtag inside politics. up next, the president says make it about the substance, but republicans as the democrats prepare to pass new rules for impeachment, more and more want to talk process. skin sin #17... too many after-parties. new neutrogena® bright boost with dullness-fighting neoglucosamine. boosts cell turnover by 10 times for instantly brighter skin. bright boost neutrogena®. i felt i couldn't be at my best for my family.

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legitimacy around this process by saying they're going to bring it to a vote on the floor. they can't fix it. the process is broken. >> a due process starts at the beginning. it doesn't affirm a sham investigation all the way through. if you were in the legal term, it would be the fruit from the poisonous tree. it would be a mistrial. >> that's the process argument. democrats are giving them some of what they have long been demanding in this resolution tomorrow. the intelligence committee will hold open hearings. the republicans can request witnesses and issue subpoenas. the democrats have to sign off on that. the intelligence committee will forward its findings to the judiciary committee. the president's lawyers when you get there can present their case and cross examine witnesses. the judiciary committee would vote on any articles of impeachment. this is a lot of what republicans said they should get. not everything.

here's what you wanted but you still don't like it? >> i think no matter what democrats have come up with, this has been a pretty bitter partisan process all along. i mean, they do get to request subpoenas but only with the democratic committee approval majority. it's the same process in place for the clinton impeachment proceedings. clearly republicans are in the minority. there's not a guarantee they would get the subpoenas and other orders they want. we're expecting this to be a pretty partisan vote tomorrow. they're saying we have to see the resolution but they were still continuing to criticize the process. i mean, you're going to see a couple of democrats perhaps vote against this inquiry tomorrow, probably zero republicans. it's kind of expected it was going to be a pretty partisan process all along. >> the speaking wouldn't bring it to the floor without knowing she has the votes for it.

we have had so far private testimony. there are three committees involved in that. most of that had been done in the purview of the intelligence committee. chairman schiff would stay in charge. it would go to the intelligence committee. that's a tactical decision by the speaker to keep it with him. if articles of impeachment are voted out, that's when you get to the full house of representatives. the question is as we prepare to step into november, next year being an election year, when? >> i think so far like if you're a democrat, you've sort of liked this process. it's been almost a daily drumming of new revelations out of these closed door hearings through the testimony. you bring up a good point where the strategy now shifts to much more of a public strategy and one by which they need to put pressure on republicans and on senate republicans to sort of change the dynamic here.

so this whole process will change over the next couple of weeks and there's a clock ticking, you know, to try and handle this. >> the quality and clarity of the witnesses in the public hearings, you can read through a 20-page deposition and find the three or four lines that make your case. when that person is sitting in the chair on interntional television, presumably being attacked by the republicans, the democrats have to make their chas choices about how to proceed. >> there were a lot of democrats who hoped robert mueller would come and testify and everything would be clear. that did not work out the way democrats wanted it to work out. that might partially explain why adam schiff gets the reins on this one. the president and his allies have been for months beating up on adam schiff, sort of working the refs in advance, making sure no republican thinks he's a credible chairman who could run

this process. and so as it goes public, he will be a public face. you know, the trump campaign will continue selling shirts with his face on it. >> this is an inherently political process from start to finish. it's not going to get better. it's going to get worse. i'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news -- >> fact. >> that's how this works and hypocrisy -- we're going to see a lot of hypocrisy. >> the white house said when nancy pelosi said we're going to have an impeachment inquiry but it's going to be done in these committees, the white house said we're not cooperating. you should follow how they did it in clinton and nixon. the kwhowhite house said if you not bringing it to the full house, we're not giving you documents. unless you have a full house vote, you don't get anything. we view it as illegitimatillegi.

the resolution put forth by speaker pelosi shows the impeachment has been an illegitimate sham from the start. they're going to get the vote they wanted but it's clear they're laying the groundwork to say, still go away. >> even when they put that letter out on october 8th they were asked, so does that mean if you get what you want, you'll cooperate? they're like, no, we're not saying that necessarily. >> if you think the white house would cooperate after a formal vote like this, i have a bridge to sell you. this has been part of the white house strategy all along far before the impeachment inquiry began when the democratic house took control this year and launched 20 some odd investigations into every corner of the trump white house. they have not been cooperating so this should be no surprise. >> is there a nice speech with no cable television on the other side of that bridge. up next, mitch mcconnell says congress cannot afford for democrats to ignore other

legislation as they, in his words, obsess over impeachment. this was the reaction of the democratic congresswoman debbie dingeil. let's take a look at some numbers:

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democrats today saying it's time to get some work done. he's tossing in a little irony suggesting if democrats care so much about ukraine, they would allow a vote on a spending plan that includes money for ukraine. >> democrats have plenty of time and energy for their 3-year-old journey to impeach the president. but they can't get to yes on funding our service members. that's about as clear a statement of priorities as you can get around here. they want to impeach the president for delaying assistance to ukraine. well, they blocked funding for the program themselves. i'd say it's unbelievable, except that's exactly what's happening. >> you saw the smile. he liked his line. democratic leader chuck schumer says the dispute on that bill is over border wall money, not ukraine or impeachment. but mcconnell's poking is telling. he wants to say as little as possible about impeachment and

he wants the senate to get as much as possible done now because he knows the chamber will likely be paralyzed the house passes articles of impeachment and sends them across the capitol to the senate for a trial. phil, a big part of your job these days is translating the majority leader. where is he going here? >> reporter: that floor speech he also ripped house democrats for the process they have in place. when it comes to the substance of what's been going on in the house democratic investigation, he's not willing to weigh in. when it comes to what he's talking about related to appropriations bills, there's two things at play here. one, there's the political. you could hear last night on fox news that people would like mcconnell to do more. this is the red meat attacking the process. he's putting pressure on democrats trying to get them in a room to make a deal on appropriations, to make a deal on government funding, to move

forward on the north american trade deal. i also think always something to remember is that he's never trying to get out in front of his conference. the republican conference is largely keeping their powder dry and is often in different places on this when you talk to them privately. there are people who are all in for president trump and there are people who are a little bit wary. mcconnell wants to protect the people up for tough reelections. also, and i know everybody says it's a cop out. he's going to be a juror. he'll have his moment where he'll have to weigh in. now is not that time. third and final thing, the reality is nobody knows what's coming next. i think you candidate underscore that enough. part of the republican they're being a little bit wary is they don't know what's next in this

investigation. so people are just kind of waiting to see. attack on process, wait on substance. >> he's the longest serving leader for good reason. he knows how to count. it is interesting in the sense that mcconnell wants to keep his powder dry or at least keep most of his cards tight on the substance of impeachment because he doesn't know what it's going to look like. he's the majority leader and he's up for reelection next year. he's been around long enough to know what will happen if they do vote to impeach in the house. the senate is going to be paralyzed. we have 17 days to fund the government. 16 of those days the senate is supposed to be in session. 11 days the house is supposed to be in session. he is right. i'm not accepting his political argument, but he is right that we cut some work that we kind of get paid to do that we better

get done. >> mcconnell is definitely leading the charge there but that is the argument a lot of senate republicans have been making, that we have actual legislative work to do, we have to fund the government, there is a pending trade deal that a lot of us want to get ratified. i was talking to some republicans over the last few weeks saying impeachment could perhaps help the prospects of the usmca trade deal because democrats are kind of desperate to show they can get something done in addition to being in this impeachment inquiry. senior senate republicans have told me we don't know what we don't know, we are learning something new every day from this impeachment inquiry from these various witnesses. while some of the president's doe defenders want to defend him, most are really keeping their powder dry. >> mcconnell again, if you look at the transcript of his speech this morning, railing against

the democratic process. listen here as he gets asked a couple questions about the substance. he's a lot more careful. >> lieutenant colonel vinman said what he heard on the president's call is so concerning it might undermine national security. does it concern you? >> i'm not going to question the patriotism of any of the people who are coming forward. the action is in the house now. >> what do you make of these allegations? >> i said i'm not going to comment on the merits of what's going forward. we're watching what happens in the house. >> he's watching what's happening in the house and all his colleagues are watching him. he's the most important player here. if there is going to be any kind of movement, it's going to come from him. his position now to senators is eat lunch at your desk, stay out

of the hallways. >> he is good at process. you know, inside that building he knows how to work the process. i think he's trying to shift the subject to something that is more beneficial to him. but i have been struck by how little mcconnell has defended president trump. he's criticized the process, but he has not come to trump's defense even countering him by saying i didn't tell you that that call was perfect which i think is telling. >> that was a rocket to the white house essentially saying you better get your act together because if you say things that are not true, we're not going to carry your water over here. that was a rocket from mcconnell. is he impacted by this? he has said the senate rules require him to have a trial if the house votes on articles of impeachment. mcconnell has said, no i can't table it, that's not the way the rules work. does he care about heat like this on fox?

>> this is mcconnell's moment. he needs to show the american people that the gop stands united behind theelected to lea. mcconnell must also stop acting like his hand are tied. at the very least, mcconnell can and should aggressively push for a blisteringly short impeachment trial, giving democrats an afternoon to put on their sham case. i think that's too generous. >> mcconnell can just point to the scoreboard when it comes to justices. that's mcconnell's fortress within the gop. i don't know that laura ingram keeps him up at night. >> far right media has not been a fan of mitch mcconnell for quite some time. >> very true. >> very, very, very, very true. up next, a murky report clouds the u.s. economic picture

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viewing. just in the past month a sample of the impeachment ads pro and con. >> contact your senators today. urge them to put country over party. >> impeachment is a scam. >> impeachment is a bunch of bull. >> will mitch defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic or protect trump at all costs. >> radical democrats led by adam schiff are determined to impeach president trump. they have that power unless we take a stand and defend our president. >> the trump campaign and these groups supporting his reelection have spent about $3.4 million on impeachment ad this is this yea. these groups are concentrating in states like iowa, south carolina, nevada. 2020 theme there maybe. >> interesting selections. >> it's interesting and it's something to watch. washington is now dominated by this. the parties are polarized by

this. the question is impeachment is not a legal trial, it's a political process. do these ads sway people in the places where you have vital senators or in the short-term house members? >> i'm not sure. because when i was in ohio a few weeks ago, people weren't even bringing up impeachment to me. they were talking more about health care and climate change. granted these were democrats because of where i was, but i do wonder if at this point in the cycle whether this is actually shaping public opinion and where people are actually paying attention. perhaps in places like iowa and south carolina. >> democrats are trying to take back the senate, now in republican hands. so you have ads after the republicans senators viewed as vulnerable. the republicans hope to take back the house. who are they targeting? democrats in tough districts. >> we are patriots who have always protected democracy.

will our senator? tell martha mcsally, tell susan collins, tell joni ernst to put country over party. >> focused on a witch hunt and your congresswoman. >> in those key races, impeachment is going to be without a doubt -- how much of it is health care, how much of it is impeachment who knows? >> i've spoken to consultant type who is ss who say this is beginning. there's going to be ad wars about this. this is what america is in for. it's not just going to be hearings on cable. it's going to be ads. it's going to take over. >> one test next week, there's some governor's races including one in kentucky. think of it as a red state, but

it's a tight race. >> matt's proudly pro-life, against sanctuary cities for illegal immigrants and against impeaching our president. >> pretty clear strategy there, gin up republican turnout. >> he has much bigger problems right now so he's clearly pointing to the impeachment strategy and allying with president trump to get him out of his political troubles. i would also point out there are some practical implications too, because several of the candidates running are sitting democratic senators. they would be jurors in an impeachment trial. as the schedule is unfolding, it would likely interfere right into the last few frenzied weeked week ed of campaigning. when we come back, one of my favorite traditions in american politics. new hampshire's open for filing. t-mobile's newest signal reaches farther than ever before...

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angry with jeff. i think the president will be very vocal against him. for jeff's sake, he said i don't want that but that's the reality of what he's facing. >> that's kind of the political equivalent of bless your heart there. he's certainly right. talking to a lot of people who have been watching that race closely over the last couple days, obviously the former attorney general has made known that he is actively considering the race. he has until november 8th to decide. the president will be a problem for him. there are some cases where the president may have been able to bury the political hatchett but i don't think for this one. this is going to be a big problem for jeff sessions. >> you did not ask the congressman about the president. >> the question that i asked congressman burn was actually just your general reaction to the fact that jeff sessions may run again. he said jeff and i are friends, i have the utmost respect for him. then there was a pause and then he launched into that.

>> i mentioned before the break there's a great tradition in new hampshire where candidates can show up to file their own candidacy papers. you have pete buttigieg with the long serving new hampshire secretary of state in the office right there filing his own papers there. it's a big tradition in new hampshire. the filing period opened today. billy gardener needs an interior decorator. this office looks almost exactly the same. that is 1991. that is hillary clinton filing the paperwork for bill clinton. it is a tradition. it's great. it's fun. >> it is. this time you have almost a candidate a day pretty much. the filing deadline goes until november 15th. there's also this speculation of who else -- can anybody else get into the race. they've got until november 15th if they want to be on the new

hampshire ballot, which is a crucial one. >> i remember 1991 where they said mario cuomo was coming. he never showed up. on capitol hill john sullivan the deputy secretary of state, the president's ambassador for ukraine. >> should the astros win tonight in game 7 i will be wearing astros gear and serving his sta staff. should the nationals win, he will wear nationals gear and serve my staff texas barbecue and shiner beer. >> i just wanted to note that until tonight, the pending world series champions are the boston red sox. >> fair enough. >> i'm afraid this nomination can't proceed. >> the secretary is correct about that. until tonight red sox nation reigns. >> go nats, first of all.

this is one of these great traditions in the senate and the house where lawmakers make these hometown bets. it really is one of the things that's wonderful. >> brianna keilar is up next. have a great day. ♪ i'm brianna keilar live from cnn's washington headquarters. underway right now, more witnesses come forward as more evidence mounts that the president made very specific requests as he asked ukraine to investigate joe biden. the mystery edits, key parts of president trump's phone call with the ukrainian president do not appear in the transcript of the call. who cut them and why. plus, the nightmare reality of the wildfires in california grabbing everything you can in a matter of seconds before the flames hit. as congresswoman katie hill resigns after the release of nude