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these words. very important word, indeed, go nats. let's hope for a win. i'm wolf blitzer. thanks very much for watching. erin burnett "out front" starts right now. out front next, breaking news. the top white house ukraine expert testified he was convinced of a quid pro quo between trump and ukraine even before that infamous phone call. this as john bolton says no way to a voluntary deposition before congress. and trump's hand picked ambassador to russia breaks with the president. what he's saying under oath tonight. plus mick mulvaney out of the loop. why did trump's chief of staff learn about the raid that killed the head of isis only after it was over? let's go out front. good evening. i'm erin burnett. out front tonight, the breaking news. it was personal. the top white house ukraine expert testified to impeachment investigators that he was
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convinced president trump was personally blocking military aid to ukraine specifically to force ukraine's president to publicly announce an investigation into joe biden and his family. this comes from two sources in the room of colonel alexander vindman. he, of course, said this under oath. his under oath testimony, in other words, it was not people assuming what trump wanted and taking action based on those assumptions. no. it wasn't that. it was trump, personally, clearly explicitly directing the situation. personally and for a very specific reason. it was a quid pro quo of military aid in an exchange for an investigation into joe biden not what president trump says was the reason he withheld aid. >> my complaint has always been and i'll withhold again and i'll continue to withhold until such time as europe and other nations contribute to ukraine. >> that reason just doesn't add up. it does not fit with now what at least four people have testified
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under oath. and because what trump was doing was wrong, vindman, colonel vindman testifies that those closest to the president appealed to him directly to stop. again, according to two sources who were in the room for vindman's under oath testimony, vindman told lawmakers that over the summer then national security adviser john bolton asked vindman to draft a memo and vindman was asked to urge trump to release the military aid to ukraine and bolton took that memo and traveled to the president's bed minister resort to the secretary of state mike pompeo and the secretary of defense and the acting secretary mark esper. all of them to make a case to the personal personally to stop and guess what? he personally rejected their plea. vindman is now the fourth person to testify under oath that bolton was livid about a quid pro quo of military aid in exchange for investigations into trump's political rivals. all of this underscores just how crucial bolton's testimony is,
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because bolton spoke directly and repeatedly to the president. there is no middle man. there is no assumption and now house investigators have scheduled a date for bolton to testify under oath before closed doors. is trump worried that his national security adviser can bring the presidency down? so far the track record is administration official after official defying the president's demand to stay silent. two more officials today behind closed doors with impeachment investigators. manu raju is live out front on capitol hill tonight. the big question is they've now invited bolton to testify. how likely is it that he will actually do so? that he will actually appear and testify under oath? >> it's anybody's guess right now here on capitol hill. the attorney for john bolton just put out a statement saying that he would appear with a subpoena, but it is not clear if he got the subpoena, if he would actually appear. we talked to adam schiff and the house intelligence committee
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chairman about whether they will, in fact, issue a subpoena and he hopes that bolton will cooperate, but when asked if he would issue a subpoena he declined to comment and the impeachment inquiry, elliott angle told me that it's something that they would consider, issuing a subpoena and i can assure you in the coming days if he would defy that yes or no and the scheduled testimony date now also behind closed doors dechl dechls hamoc invited john eisenberg and his testimony, and he's heard concerns about the president's efforts to urge the ukrainian government to investigate the bidens. vindman himself went to john eisenberg to raise concerns. the question is what did eisenberg do after he heard the concerns. this is at the tail end of the
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closed-door depositions before the democrats move into the more public phase of their inquiry. we are told from a source familiar with the matter that bill taylor, the president's top diplomat, the u.s. diplomat nin ukraine is willing to testify publicly and we heard from the statement he came out publicly and he was concerned and he was told that the president had ordered, who wanted the ukraine government to announce those invest galgzs that could help the president politically before moving forward on other efforts including releasing stalled military aid that could help ukraine deter russian aggression, so perhaps we could see that in a public setting. erin? >> manu, thank you very much. i want to go now to someone who has been inside the room for all of the impeachment depositions so far. congressman krishnamoorthi. i want to ask you about colonel vindman's deposition because you were there. we understand vindman said he
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was convinced trump was personally withholding military aid in order to force ukraine's president to publicly announce that investigation into joe biden. vindman does say he's very explicit in his prepared remarks that he never had direct contact with the president. is there anything more that you need to know to be sure that his perception is accurate? >> well, i think that i can't comment on his specific testimony except what you saw in his opening statement is very consistent with what we've seen from other witnesses. i think we're going to continue to learn more about what mr. colonel vindman said, for instance, from mr. morrison tomorrow, his superior at the national security council and others, but i do think that everything i've seen has been consistent with the whistle-blower allegations and the substance of it is simple which is that military aid and assistance to the ukraine as well as a meeting at the white house between zelensky and trump
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were premised on bogus investigations being conducted against president trump's domestic rivals and that's very, very serious, as you know. >> so, yes. now john bolton again, from what we understand vindman said, went to bed minister to the president when he was there in his august break and went there personally along with the acting secretary of state and the acting secretary of defense to personally try to get trump to release aid to ukraine, to stop what he was doing. vindman testifies he wrote the memo for bolton. bolton was rejected directly by the president. i know you're not going to comment on the exact testimony, but let's just assume that our reporting is this is what happened in the room where you were. what would it tell you about how determined trump was to withhold the aid if indeed, he is directly approached by the secretary of defense, his national security adviser and his secretary of state and he turned them down? >> it's deeply disturbing.
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you have the secretaries of the interagency process which is involved in ukraine, namely the state department, and the national security adviser all imploring the president to do what's in the country's best interest which is to supply this aid to the ukraine to help it defend itself against russia. so if trump isn't listening to them, his foreign policy and defense advisors, then he must be listening to somebody else, and this foreign policy is being done not in the best interest of the country, but in the best interest of someone else and here we learn that rudy giuliani, from every witness at this point is running a shadow foreign policy which is basically in the best interest of his clients. people like donald trump and also others who may be foreign actors. so this is disturbing, to say the least. >> all right. look, a lot of this is going to come down to, you know, your next round of witnesses, right?
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and we're learning from a source that the committee has asked john bolton to testify behind closed doors and his attorneys telling cnn tonight he will not appear without a subpoena, but it's not even clear that he would show up even if he were subpoenaed, right? he could say executive privilege and others, right, have been told not to appear that you guys subpoena them and they show up. bolton may not do that. so this is a really important question because he's at the heart of it, and personal conversations with the president repeatedly, and we know from all of the other testimony he didn't like this at all and it smelled terrible at all. he didn't like it. >> will you fight bolton in court no matter how long it takes? >> i don't want to get ahead of adam schiff on this particular issue, but what you're bringing up is extremely important because on this one issue, i never thought i would agree with john bolton, but on this particular issue he raised strenuous and strong objects to rudy giuliani conducting this
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irregular foreign approximately see, and i think that witness after witness especially in their opening statements has said that john bolton instructed them to basically put up a resistance or go to the lawyers or do something to basically get our foreign policy back on track with the ukraine. so i think he's a very important witness potentially. >> are you concerned that bolton's issue is with rudy giuliani and not with the president? what i'm getting at is are you confident that his testimony would indeed back that this was the president of the united states personally demanding a quid pro quo at the cost of the country to help himself personally? are you sure bolton would back that up? >> i can't be confident about his testimony, honestly. i want to hear what he has to say, however, what we can be confident about is that he was kind of at the center or the nexus at the white house, the state department, the defense department and other agencies who are basically trying to get our foreign policy where it
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needs to be to assist ukraine as congress appropriated money to ukraine, and basically to remove the hold that had been placed in the summer of this year on aid to the ukraine for reasons that we've talked about before. >> all right. congressman krishnamoorthi, i appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you. next, the president's hand picked nominee to be the ambassador of russia breaks with trump. >> soliciting investigations into domestic political opponent, i don't think that would be in accord with our values. >> that's trump's nominee. plus, sources tell cnn trump's chief of staff that the plan to kill al baghdadi was under way and found out after the operation. why was he out of the loop? and voters in a crucial swing state. we spoke to them in 20 cane. >> aren't you excited for the first female president? >> no. >> i am. >> so what do they say now? ♪
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matched by no one. bre colonel alexander vindman's testimony. vindman who is fast becoming one of the crucial witnesses in the inquiry thus far was listening in on the call, the infamous call between president trump and president zelensky. vindman testified that the white house transcript of the call left out what he considered to be key details which included trump's mention of joe biden on tape. now, vindman testified that he tried unsuccessfully to correct the transcript before it was released to the public. the white house is slamming back. press secretary stephanie grisham tonight saying, quote, president trump released a full and accurate transcript of the call with president zelensky so the american people can see he acted completely appropriately and did nothing wrong. the media is reporting that lieutenant colonel alexander vindman claims he proposed filling in words that were missing in areas where ellipses,
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this is false. the mystery of the ellipses. greg brower, assistant director of the fbi and assistant state of nevada. and nia malika henderson. >> the transcript that the white house did release included the president of ukraine asking for -- bringing up military aid and trump responding first a favor and then talking about the favor. so that's it right there and they put that out there. but then they take other things out and don't admit it. what is this? >> yeah. it's a complicated sning thing figure out and they leave the word in favor, that the president is doing something in exchange for something else and he told us publicly after the conversation was released that he was doing. what happened with vindman and what's interested is it's very clear to me that he took notes and he was part of that call and
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he recorded something and for him to then go to the nsa lawyer and say there's a mistake in the memorandum. no one ever says it's an explicit transcript and for him to say there are words missing shows me he took notes and he believed there was a problem and he raised it to a superior. >> vindman went to the chief counsel twice for the nsc to raise concerns that he had as he emphasizes as an active duty member and takes the chain of command seriously and in so doing. ann says that it was not a direct transcript. well, we know that, but that is not what the president said, right? for weeks he has told us this about that transcript. >> they tried to take that conversation and make it into a big scandal. the problem was we had it transcribed. it was an exact transcription of the conversation. >> we have a very, very word-for-word report of what i said.
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i had a transcript done by very, very talented people, word for word, comma for comma. >> greg, word for word, comma for comma or not, to the extent that someone brings it to the chief counsel to the nsc, whom do you believe? >> well, erin, this has been a pet peeve of mine since the summary was released and it's just that. the pet peeve i'm talking about is that it's not a transcript, and people sort of generically refer to it as a transcript as a longtime litigator that drives me crazy because a transcript is a word-for-word literal transcription of everything that is said during a proceeding. >> it's what the president just said it was except for it wasn't. >> exactly. >> and so to the extent it's just a summary or more than a summary, i guess, but to the extent some words are left out, and it's not a verbatim transcript. presumably, a verbatim transcript or recording does
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exist and that's why it's awfully curious that the president's spokesperson would be saying that, you know, she's absolutely sure it's a word for word transcription because if an actual verbatim transcript does exist it's going to be awfully easy to fill in those missing records. >> and nia, here's the thing, okay. when you read the summary as greg writes it it's been shorthanded as, trump is quoted about talking about biden's stop and they stop the prosecution and a let of people want to find out about that, and whatever we do, it continues, blah, blah, blah. the i put the el kwloe in there, that vindman brought up the alleged biden tapes. it is one of three places where ellipses exist in the transcript and everyone noticed this to begin with. the white house was asked and stephanie grisham said the,
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lipss do not refer to missing words or phrases and they refer to a trailing off of a word or pause and they would be represented by brackets or redactions. i mean, look, nia, the word favors is in there. the core of this is still in there, but that is just such an explicit and blatant lie. >> yeah. and this is this white house and it comes from the top, from donald trump who over and over again as you showed there does refer to this as a word-for-word transcript. on the actual memo of the call it says it's essentially a memo of the call and it's not a word-for-word transcript and what stephanie grisham says and what the president says, they don't have a lot of credibility on this. stephanie grisham does not have a lot of credibility and she is speaking for a president who doesn't have a lot of credibility and you have to put what they say in context and their word goes against what someone like vindman was
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staying, someone who was so concerned about the way the transcript was handled that he wanted to set the record straight and fill in some of the blanks. what he's filling in doesn't change the nature of what was going on, this ask from the president to a foreign lead tore interfere in an american election. >> and that's, i guess, tim, help us square this circle. in a sense it seems they're blatantly lying about something they don't need to lie about because they left the most damning part in there. when you look at nixon and the initial transcripts he released about his conversations in the oval office. they were incomplete and he acted as if they were complete and they were incomplete and that incomplete nature was extremely significant. >> i've been watching the president's behavior and there are times when i think president trump thanks to giuliani and others is trying not to make the mistakes that richard nixon made. he, in this case, has made the exactly the same mistake richard nixon made. >> richard nixon is the one he
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edited the transcripts. he went with a pen and said no, no, mow. >> he says we can find $500,00037 he took other things out. why does this matter? the white house impeachment committee, the white house republicans and democrats got to hear the transcript and they sow what was missing. it affected the republicans. the republicans thought what? why is the white house doing this? i say that this is a big deal. i think that even though this doesn't change the narrative, it's proof of a cover-up, and my next question is who redacted the summary? we might be surprised by the answer. >> and well, that is going to be a crucial question because the president has been so explicit that it's comma for comma and word for word. it comes with the understanding, right, jaukke owe reporting of o sources in the room that vindman's testimony that he believes trump was blocking the aid in exchange for public
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announcement of the investigations. at first he thought it was just linked to getting a meeting. >> right. >> and then he became convinced that it was explicitly about the investigations and the aid. >> this is so important. so jake tapper's reporting is that july 10th and this is essentially two weeks before that call. vindman is convinced that there's a quid pro quo with the meeting that ukraine wants a meeting with the president and he will not agree unless the investigations are started and so he's chronicling this through that call into the point where an august and he's in the room with the meetings that we've heard about between sondland and the ukrainians and fiona hill is there and he's chronicling essentially a month of conduct where he from very early on believes that the president is asking and putting pressure incorrectly. >> we should point out it completely corroborates what taylor testified to. at first they thought it was linked to the meeting and then it was linked to vindman. >> and he's in the room with sondland and the ukrainians and he gives us this part of the
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of staff mick mulvaney was in the dark on the raid against the isis leader abu bakr al baghdadi as it was carried out. one official saying he was only briefed on the raid as soon as it concluded and this is pretty incredible. this is the chief of staff. there's questions about his future and the president has been frustrated with him. he is the guy, right? he is the guy who said there was a quid pro quo and get over it. jeremy dimon is out front. >> this was the big one. this is the biggest one. >> to president trump, it was a crowning foreign policy accomplishment. >> capturing or killing baghdadi has been the top national security priority of my administration. >> but as the president gave the order to kill or capture the isis leader, his chief of staff mick mulvaney was not in washington, and didn't even know the raid was under way. he was briefed after it ended. instead, the history books will show only the vice president, defense secretary, national security adviser and top military brass huddled in the
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situation room, watching as the raid unfolded. bill daly, white house chief of staff during the 2011 raid that killed osama bin laden was just step away from obama. white house officials said mulvaney was home in south carolina dealing with a family matter without access to secure communications. two senior administration officials say mulvaney was not involved in the planning, but knew the baghdadi operation was in the works. he was filled in as soon as it ended one of the officials said, adding that it did want affect mulvaney's success. it comes as he faces endless rumors about his fate as chief of staff after he admitted trump engaged in a quid pro quo with ukraine. >> did he also mention to me in the past the corruption related to the dnc server? absolutely, no question about that and that's it. that's why we held up the money. >> it is funding will not flow unless the investigation into the democratic server happened,
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as well. >> before attempting to walk it back. >> can i say how people took that the wrong way? absolutely, but i never said there was a quid pro quo because there isn't. >> those comments left trump frustrated according to a source close to the president and mull vain o vainy on shaky ground. he has no plans to fire mulvaney and multiple officials say mulvaney is at trump's side during most white house meetings. >> mulvaney's approach to the job could be his saving grace. he has abandoned general john kelly's guardrail methods, instead adopting the let trump be trump mantra. something kelly warned could get trump in trouble. >> whatever you do, don't hire a yes man. someone that's going to tell you -- won't tell you the truth. don't do that because if you do i believe you'll be impeached. >> erin, tonight white house deputy secretary press secretary hogan diddley tells me in a
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statement mick has done a good job implementing the president's policies as omb and as acting chief of staff when the president doesn't have confidence in someone you'll know it and while there's no indication that mulvaney will be fired i did speak with one official close to mulvaney who said, look, i don't know if we would know if that is the case. >> and that is a fair point if past is any precedent. thank you so much, jeremy and everyone is now back with me. so nia, the chief of staff is -- is an incredibly powerful and important position in this country. this person should be the gatekeeper and the protector for the president, the voice. what does it is a that mulvaney was not briefed that the head of isis, the biggest raid of trump's presidency until it was over? >> i mean, he is the figure who is out of the loop, right? if you think about the prior chief of staff that the president had, one being reince priebus who he nicknamed reincy and john kelly, and reincy was a bit more like mick mulvaney in that this is a president that
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doesn't necessarily see those folks mick mulvaney as people who have the kind of stature that he would like to see in a factor that he would then, you know, offer respect to that person. john kelly is obviously someone he probably did respect, and mick mulvaney has been acting chief of staff for a very long time and that suggests how the white house feels about him. he is now crucial to this investigation and this impeachment inquiry and of course, made what some thought was an admission at the white house when he said there was a quid pro quo. so we'll see what happens, but listen, the president has all of the top jobs at the white house, right? not only the president. he is the key spokesman. he is also his own chief of staff, and stay or go, i don't think it necessarily matters because mick mulvaney, you know, he's been a bit of a weak chief of staff. >> so, greg, i want to play again what trump's former chief of staff john kelly said because it's important just to listen to how he puts the emphasis on this. here he is. >> i said, whatever you do,
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don't hire a yes man, someone that's going to tell you -- won't tell you the truth. don't do that because if you do, i believe you'll be impeached. >> greg, and here we are. he's got a yes man and he does not seem to offer him the basic respect that he should. >> yeah. this is problematic and look, in washington, sometimes it's better to not be in the loop, but not when you're the chief of staff with respect to an operation like this, and you know, technically, the white house chief of staff is, of course, not in the chain of command when it comes to military operations and that is the president and then the secretary of defense and then the uniformed military leaders, but tradition and common sense would dictate that for something like this, the vice president is in the loop, the white house chief of staff and perhaps the white house counsel and others, and so the fact that he wasn't, it's not good for mick mulvaney
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combined with all of the other things that are happening and in particular that press conference that we've been talking about. >> ann, look, it does, the press conference and mulvaney is a key player in the ukraine probe and according to taylor, he's the one that directed the omb to withhold the aid. he's there and he's with the president and he's passing on that command and he said there was a quid pro quo and get over it. so now all of a sudden, if he is left out and if he is scorned, could he turn on the president? >> you know, it's an interesting question, but i'm highly skeptical that he'll turn and the reason why having been a local, federal and state prosecutor is that people usually turn when they're staring down the barrel of a crime, of basically going to jail or prison and there's a huge incentive for them to become cooperators. right now i just don't see that mulvaney has that incentive to cooperate with the investigation and so i would expect him to not cooperate for as long as he possibly can, and then, you know, whether it's a really
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interesting question if anyone in the trump world begins to cooperate, mulvaney would not be the first, but what happens to the rest of the folks and a lot of times you see it's like dominos when one person comes forward it's very untenable to say. >> it's interesting you say that because bolton is not going to appear without a subpoena if even then, but you have so many others, career civil servants, military, who have come out and spoken the truth, defying this president, and now you have the man who president trump has nominated to be the next ambassador to russia, okay? this is trump's pick, he appears in congress today and he is asked specifically if the president uses his office to get a probe to solicit a probe into a political rival, would that be okay? and let me just play for you what happened. >> do you think it's ever appropriate for the president to use his office to solicit investigations into a domestic,
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political op bone snent. >> soliciting investigations into a political opponent i don't think would be in accord with our values. >> and who is this man? this is deputy secretary of state john sullivan. he was acting secretary of state when tillerson was fired. he is the president's choice to replace jon huntsman in moscow. he's not a never trumper and he's reminding americans was values of our civil service, and of our professional foreign service. this is a great, this is a learning moment for a lot of americans. he is making it clear. he is thinking beyond the trump presidency. he's thinking about american values and american national security and you just don't do this if you want to protect our national security, you do not mix domestic political matter, your re-election with our national security and he made it clear under oath because he remembers who he's working for. he's working for the american people and not the president. >> he could have said i don't
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answer hypotheticals and there are many who would have, but he did not and he answered that question honestly. thank you all very much. next, new video tonight of the mission that killed the isis leader al baghdadi and the moments before baghdadi died and we have a couple of crucial pieces of footage here and we'll break that down, plus pennsylvania helped win the white house and what are democrats now saying about impeachment? >> we've already gone pretty far into this presidency. so do we really want to spend the last time of it impeaching someone who may or may not be elected again?
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breaking news. the pentagon has just released newly declassified video of the raid that killed isis leader abu bakr al baghdadi. the video, what you're looking at here is the compound, u.s. forces are closing in on baghdadi's compound and you can see the little black shapes is u.s. forces moving toward it and he was cornered in an underground tunnel where he d d detonated his suicide vest killing himself and two
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children. bob, you spent time in northern syria and i want to take a closer video of what you have and you have people on the ground firing at u.s. forces. we understand that the people on the ground firing at u.s. forces were not affiliated with isis, but these forces are approaching baghdadi's compound and then you see the air strikes come down as sort of the series of five to seven explosions from supporting u.s. helicopters. you know, even more than that, a lot more than that. it appears the element of surprise, obviously is gone. i mean, this is -- there's an incredible amount of fire power before they even get to the compound where baghdadi is then waiting. >> yeah. exactly, erin. that was what's called a combat entry when you have people on the other side of the wall expecting you and firing back. it's very, very dangerous because doors are funnels, bullet funnels. so they had apparently to breach the wall which in itself you have to have the right amount of explosives and it slows the
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operation down and then once the guys are through the breach then you expect a real fire fight. so this is really a dicey operation, and i tell you, it speaks to delta force's capabilities. probably the best trained military unit in the world. it is the best trained, and the fact that they got in there without any wounded or dead is just quite amazing. >> i mean, it is pretty incredible. you also think about the targeting, the exact targeting of those air strikes, right? coming from, you know, you look at that and you think, my gosh, all of that's coming from above it could kill the friendly forces and of course, it did not, as you point out. look, so then they get in, right? and then that is where, you know, they find this tunnel and baghdadi is there and he detonates his own suicide vest. so it is those final moments where the president has repeatedly talked about what baghdadi did. here is president trump. >> he didn't die a hero.
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he died a coward, crying, whimpering, screaming. he was whimpering, screaming and crying. he was screaming, crying and whimpering, and he was scared out of his mind. >> rob o'neal who was the navy s.e.a.l. who killed osama bin laden told me that didn't add up to him. he thought that you had your vest on you're ready and it would be allah akbar and not whimpering and crying and no official has publicly backed what the president said and here's the head of u.s. central command when he was asked about trump's words. >> i can tell you this, he crawled into a hole with two small children and blew himself up while his people stayed on the ground. you can deduce what kind of person he is based on that activity, and that would be my imperical observation of what he did. i'm nota able to confirm anything about his last seconds. i can't confirm anything one way or another. >> it's one of those thing, is
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the president speaking out of turn and sharing information he shouldn't or is he embellishing? >> oh, he's embellishing. i trust the military and the military does not have a recording of this and no one heard it. we'd know it by now and whatever the military says i believe. so the president is just making this up and as far as being a coward, committing suicide, you know, clearly in a moment like this if you care about your life you'd lie flat on the floor and don't move, just say i give up which he didn't do, and so the president clearly is just making this up. i don't see another way around this. >> all right. bob baer, thank you as always. next cnn talked to this couple on election day. one voted for trump and one voted for clinton. so what are they saying tonight? >> i think he's going to get us into a war. >> well, you're not dead and we had wars before that. >> plus jeannie on trump's
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tonight, president trump tr trying to focus on his accomplishments after the impeachment inquiry ramps up. he tweeted we have the greatest economy. while we went back to the swing state of pennsylvania, we talked to some of the same voters we spoke to on election day 2016.
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>> reporter: what one thinks of impeachment. >> i think he deserves to be impeached. absolutely. >> reporter: often tracks with what one thinks of donald trump. what do you think of impeachment? >> it's bold. >> reporter: a coal miner and his stepson are huge supporters of the president, proudly displaying trump flags like this one. they see impeachment as democrats trying to reverse the outcome of 2016. >> head hend hunting. they're mad they lost and just trying to get him out. >> reporter: i think it's something that the democrats are doing right now. they're just grabbing for straws right now. >> reporter: washington county, south of pittsburgh, has trended republican in years. donald trump beat clinton here by 20 point. >> aren't you excited for the first female president? >> no. >> i am. >> reporter: married 37 years then and diametricalily opposed
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on candidates. today, you voted for donald trump, you voted for hillary clinton. anything changed? >> no. >> both of them 90 they still lovingly bicker. >> i think he's a crook and i think he's going to get us into a war. >> you're not dead and we had wars before that. >> we're not done yet. >> reporter: jacqueline couldn't be clearer on impeachment. >> well, that's ridiculous. >> bill, a life-long republican, is as opposed as ever to donald trump and impeachment. >> i don't like him. i don't know whether impeachment would solve anything or not. it would just create a lot of upheaval, but i'm hoping to hell that he gets lebtd o s elected office. >> reporter: cody spence in 2016 was struggling to pay for health care. today his financial situation has improved. he credits donald trump. >> i don't think there's a
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reason to impeach him. you get card evidence that the people of country can see that's a different story. >> we've already gone pretty far into this presidency. do we really want to spend the last time of it impeaching someone who may or may not be elected again? >> reporter: more progressive democrats say full steam ahead on impeachment, regardless of the outcome. >> probably still favors the democrats. >> reporter: and if he goes on to win the election? >> it's going to be a rough another four years. >> reporter: democratic officials here in was impeachme dislike of donald trump works in their favor. they have an off-year election in a few days and say it's already driving out enthusiasm and voters for their side. it's a trend, they insist, they will continue through 2020. erin? >> miguel, thank you. decoding trumps love for e
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dot dot dot. here's jeanne. >> president trump is forever saying. >> word for word, comma for comma. >> forget commas now people are connecting the dot dot dot. >> dot dot dot. >> commonly known as ellipses. >> in legal documents that means something is left out. >> megan mccain got annoyed. >> whenever it said biden it said dot dot dot. >> we got it. >> and they got it, too. >> but oh, the irony. the ellipses comes back to haunt a president. >> dot dot dot. >> he will soon be dot dot dot, dot dot. >> reporter: president trump's tweets are so dotty, they read like morse code.
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the president might begin a tweet with a random seven dots, shared tweets with as many as 23. occasionally he mixes a stray comma in with them or combines his dots with a typo. no smocking gun... expanded to 280 characters. >> dot dot. adding dot dot dot. >> the dots are back. i missed you little guys. you're the only part of trump's tweets that aren't lies. >> reporter: the other day the president tweeted nothing but....provoke i but....provoking responses like anyone speak dot? another coded noenlg putin. remember when he stared directly at a solar eclipse? no wonder he's seeing dots
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everywhere. might as well blame all those ellipses on eclipses. >> this is dot dot dot time. it's not not not. >> jeanne moos, cnn, new york. anderson starts now. given what we learned in just the last few hours it's hard not to see this as another pifbtal day in impeachment inquiry. the headlines alone speak volumes. what lieutenant colonel alexander vindman said in secret testimony. sources present at the deposition telling "the lead's" jake tapper that the nsc official was convinced president trump was personally blocking military aid to ukraine to get the country to announce a probe into the bidens. in other words, pressure designed to force a quid pro quo, leading up to that july 25th phone call with