l latte. >> a beautiful dog. a talented dog. >> reporter: new york. >> all right. thank so much for joining us. ac 360 starts right now. there is breaking news tonight up and down the impeachment story. john berman in here for anderson. we learned far more on one key front and one thing we didn't know at all. cnn reporting has uncovered an information pipeline running from that secure house hearing room where so many witness vs testified straight to the oval office. there's that. it takes the story in a whole new direction and there's more. new reporting on efforts to silence white house ukraine expert alexander vindman after he raised concerned about the july 25th phone call. the one president trump continues to main that i know th -- maintain that was perfect

but every one else saw as problemat problematic. each of these items is big enough on its own. taken together they expand our understanding of the decisions and actions at the heart of what just yesterday became a soon to be public impeachment proceedings. all that and the washington post moments ago reporting that a number of senate republicans are now considering acknowledge that there was, in fact, a quid pro quo. in short, wow. a lot to get to. cnn pamela brown starts us off. we want to start with your reporting on this information pipeline running from the secure room on the capitol to the white house. what are you learning? >> reporter: my league and i ha -- colleague and i have learned close allies are offering guidance to crafting the defense strategy. mark meadow and jim jordon have

been helping lawyers sort through publicly reported aspects of the testimony to the extent they can under house rules. meadows and jordan are two of the only gop members we're told that had been in every closed door testimony until the end. their conversations here with the white house we're told is primarily aimed at helping the lawyers here get a better grasp of the allegations being levelled at trump that are leaking out and help them with identify any potential weak points, weak spots as the white house crafts its legal strategy. >> what are congressman jordon and meadows saying about all this? >> reporter: john med dadows sa he is not sharing specifics. he pointed to house rules preventing him from disclosing details. he said he has guided the white house in mischaracterizations coming from democrats.

jim jordon said he never divulged questions that shouldn't be divulged and hasn't answered questions that will get to the substance. some of these witnesses backs up aspects of the president's defense. these lawmakers have pointed out publicly but have been careful not the divulge too much. walking that fine line for them. john. >> you said they are the two members that have been in all the hearings. are they the only two helping out the white house like this or are there others? >> reporter: the white house isn't justdan there are two par of this out reach. there's the help it's seeking to shape the legal strategy with the white house counsel's office and then there's the communication strategy to coordinate message and we have learned the white house is increasingly reaching out to senators as it becomes more apparent that the impeachment

will move from the house to the senate. john. >> all right. thanks for this reporting. really appreciate it. joining us is cnn legal analyst and political analyst west wing analyst david gurgin. let me start with you. what are the legal boundaries here for what meadows and jordon are doing? going from the secure room, everything is supposed to stay secret in there and going to the oval office. where is the law and have they crossed the line? >> they are bound by rules that the procedures are for the house in terms of whether or not they are allowed to reveal information from the depositions. it has to -- the govrpi igovern procedures are the procedures in the house and there's rules

about classified information. i haven't seen any allegations that they revealing classified information. if you have the information in your head and go into a secure space in the white house and discuss it, that is okay. i think it's worth pointing out that i don't think it's a legal strategy that they are potentially giving the white house advice on. impeachment is not a legal proceeding. it's a political proceeding. they are getting information and they are helping probably with the political strategy that the white house is developing. >> it strikes me their response to this is very carefully worded. congressman meadows and jordon said they are abidesing by the rules as much as they can. that seems awfully careful. in noting they are not talking about anything in detail that hasn't been reported publicly. that indicates a consciousness of where the boundaries are here. >> they seem kind of worried about being exposed at doing

this and it's pretty inconsistent to say that you're only giving general characterizations and yet you're trying to be helpful. if i was on the white house legal staff, that's not helpful. i need specifics for my strategy. to gary's point there's no allegation of their mishandling classified information but on the other hand, who knows. you have to give classified information has to be given to somebody authorized to receive it in a secure place. that's troubling. >> we're taking their word for it that they are abiding by the rules. we don't have anyone else's word on this. they're saying they are only talking about things that have been publicly reported. i'm not saying they did this. i know it does happen in washington where things get leaked so that they can be reported so that you can comment and talk about it in different settings. that is something i know you have seen in your years in d.c.

>> listen, i've been fairly critical of republicans on various aspects of this whole proceeding for a while but on this particular issue, so far, what we know, i think they have a point. is there an information pipeline from the white house to republicans? yes. there's also an information pipeline from the democrats to the new york times. there's another one to the washington post. we wouldn't be talking about vindman being told to keep his mouth shut were it not for leak. there's been tons of leaks coming from the democrats to shape the story, to shape the narrative which meadows and these republican guys are doing. have they gone over the line? i don't think we know that. they are helping the white house sort through publicly released. that's what's in news reporting from cnn. they are sorting publicly released materials. that's the case i don't see a problem at all. whether they are going over

beyond characterizations i'm sure they are tempted to do that. it's fair to say the democrats all have clean hands but look at these terrible republicans over here. >> one of the things the white house and republicans have complained about is the white house doesn't have its lawyers or representatives in the room. if these people are part of the legal planning strategy, we're talking about meadows and jordon, they do have people in the room, to an extent, yes? >> i think it's a political strategy when it comes to the white house approach trying to develop a strategy against the impeachment process. what i do think the new reporting highlights is it undercuts the republicans allegations that the process going on in the house has been unfair and that they haven't had access to information. the reporting and this seems to be uncontested is both

republican congressmen have been in most, if not all, of the depositions and the hearings. they've had access to everything that has been going on run by the house intelligence committee and with two other committees behind closed doors so they have had access and they are able to communicate some information about that to the white house. >> i know it's not apples to apples but grand jury proceeding which is what they say these are close akin to, that's the information. i know this is suddenly different but there is analogy there. >> i think that's right. there are reasons why they are conducting it behind closed doors. you don't do an investigation in the lobby of the house. by doing this, to me, meadows and jordon are tainting the integrity of the investigation. if they are only commenting on public information or making

sure it's not mischaracterized, i don't know how they do that. rub their nose if that's the wrong characterization. they have to be giving something specific in order to be helpful. >> david, you want to clarify. >> i just have to say, democrats are up their shaping the story every day when these things are over. frankly, i think you could argue in fur plok, if the republicans didn't talk to the white house and give broad characterization, you can almost accuse them of malfeasance. that's what they are supposed to be doing in politics. i think the republicans have over stated the injury they have suffered. they are in the room. they to have access. >> stand by. much more to come. one of the lawmakers joins us and there's new reporting on efforts to silence the decorated iraq war veteran whose testimony only raised the heat on the white house.

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the now secret but soon to be public impeachment is to more one story. republican senators weighing a fall back on the central question in the impeachment case. we have got this. it involves lieutenant colonel alexand

alexander vindman and efforts to silence him. what are you learning? >> reporter: that's right. they haved on capitol hill early this week, a member of the white house staff who raised significant concerns about that july phone call. he was told not to discuss that phone call according to a source familiar with his testimony. recall what he said behind closed doors. he said the president's call with president zelensky, he was worried that call could hurt national security. could undermine national security. he was so concerned about the matter that he took his concerns to the national security counsel's lawyer john eisenburg and reported the complaints. we're told he made it clear that he should not discuss this call any further.

while the transcript was largely accurate, was not fully complete and did not reference president zelensky's discussion about the company that employed hunter biden. he made clear his concerns to the president's top attorney that this call was properblemat and they said he shouldn't talk about it. >> where on the time line did this occur? did it happen eisenburg caused the transcript to be put in this to secret computer system? >> full-time line is a bit murky but from what understand he was involved in that effort to put that transcript in a safe of sorts to ensure it would not leak out in any way. he's now under scrutiny on capitol hill. lawmakers in the impeachment

probe want to bring him in to discuss everything about the time line and conceal the efforts. whether he will comply with the subpoena and that will be major question next week as democrats look to wrap up the closed portion part of an impeachment investigation. >> do we know if it raised red flags? >> vindman was concerned about the fall out in the aftermath of this call. he talked about his twin brother that served in the ethics department. tim morrison said he was not concerned about the phone call.

facts of what was said on the call are indisputable but the opinions about the ramifications differ these those two men. >> thank you for your reporting. joining us one of the congressmen who have been hearing from these witnesses. thank you for being with us. we have a number of breaking stories to ask you about. going to consult with the white house team about some of the content of the testimony that's been going on behind closed doors. how long have you been aware of these types of discussions? >> i was aware of it based on the breaking news and it's wrong. imagine when trey gowdy was conducted the benghazi investigation if democratic members had gone and called

hillary clinton and plotted hillary clinton's strategy. there would be outrage in this country from the republicans. if it was wrong for that type of situation, how can you justify republicans in the house whose job is to oversight, have exercise of oversight of the president to be doing that. >> they suggested they are trying their hardest follow the house rules and their claim is they are only discussing within the contour offense what hs of publicly discussed. does that cross any legal lines? >> i take them at their word but the question is does it cross an ethical line. should plmembers of congress whe job is to exercise oversight, should they be plotting with the executive branch. if the president didn't have anything to hide and said he did everything perfectly, why does he need republican members

plotting strategy. these witnesses have, based on public testimony, been giving evidence that donald trump withheld military aid in demand of having zelensky conduct an investigation and they are concerned with the facts. >> i want to you about one other piece of reporting this we just got. this has to do with the national security council counsel advisiadvise ing vindsman not to talk. >> john in a simple telling him he shouldn't be raising concerns about the president belaboring zelensky. concerned call is inappropriate and you have a cover up of him not being able to go complain

about that. >> he also said the president has said it's a perfect phone call so it does beg the question if the phone call was perfect, why would anyone need to be silence about it, correct? >> absolutely.bewildering here. why does he need house members plotting strategy. why are there concerns about vindman filing a complaint. this was an elaborate scheme to cover up something every one knew was wrong. >> the washington post is reporting a growing number of republican senators are ready to acknowledge that president trump did engage in a quid pro quo but will claim it wasn't illegal and in their minds doesn't rise to the level of impeecimpeachment. i want your reaction. >> i'm glad they are acknowledging the evidence. every one knows he has bragged about saying he wanted zelensky

to investigate biden and he was concerned about biden winning in the polls. most people will agree that the president shoultd not be telling foreign leaders to dig up dirt. that's not how we conduct democracy. if you believe that's how we should conduct democracy then quit the president. if you ploobelieve that foreign leaders shouldn't be digging up dirt then impeachment is the only answer. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. up next, we'll have much more on this washington post report that a growing number of republican senators may acknowledge the existence of a quid pro quo. after all of this they will say it happened. what does that mean to the president's defense? two types of motor car there was a sports car and a family saloon car

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the latest piece of breaking news could reshape the biggest story in country today. moments ago the washington post reported that some republicans koult could be about to do a 180. growing number of gop senators consider acknowledging trump's quid trpro quo. in this shift in strategy to defend trump these republicans are insisting ha the president's actions were not illegal and does not rise to the level of impeachable offense as the democratic lead house moves forward with open phase of its probe. back with our legal and political team, i want to start with you david. republicans are now apparently saying yeah, there was a quid

pro quo but it's not impeachable. that's a long way. they have moved a long way on this. >> yeah. it is a long way. they are just observing the obvious, stating the obvious. i think it's significant politically. was et appropriate. that takes them down the road toward okay it was inappropriate but you still don't think it's impeachable. how will you register your dissent. that puts them in a very awkward position to acknowledge it. it has been central to the republican defense. it's been central to the republican defense that there was no quid pro quo. one for defense has been knocked

down on the republican side. >> it strikes me, this is what mick mulvaney told us when speaking out loud at the white house press conference and had to retrack. he said mistake of stating what is true and what republicans are going to come around to any way. >> absolutely. i think they had to come to this. their whole original strategy of we did not mouth the words quid pro quo or trump didn't as though they would shield them was silly. quid pro quo means something for something. what was it for ? something illegal, campaign finance violation. their best strategy is to lean into this and say this is at the heart of the president's executive function, foreign policy, et cetera, et cetera. he was fine doing that. that's their best strategy. >> if you're the democrats going forward and this is about to go public, how do you take this move from republicans conceding the evidence what we can all see

and hear and read for ourselves and how do you prover to the american people that it was wrong? >> you prove it's wrong by making it not a partisan issue. this isn't a democrat argument. this isn't a partisan argument. the issue is whether or not it's okay and it's an acceptable use of the president's foreign policy powers to use it office and hold out national security and defense assistance to an ally in order to extort that foreign government leader to collect political information to aid your political interests. members of kopg it's not about talking points. it's about whether or not they are going to be willing to set a historic c historical precedent that's okay in our politics.

>> they asked colonel vindman to stay quite about the ukraine phone call which president trump called perfect. i didn't go do law school but i got in. this sounds like a consciousness of guilt. why else would you ask him to be quiet about a phone call unless you thought there was something wrong with it? >> just want to compliment you on your decision not to go to law school. >> thank you. >> it's more than consciousness of guilt to me. it sounds like obstruction. vindman said i'm concerned. they wills h he tells him to be quiet. that's obstruction. hiding the evidence. that's obstruction. i would suggest he consider taking fifth after they get through the immunity and executive privilege dfefenses. >> eisenburg is on the subpoena list. he's received subpoena to testify next week. i wonder if he will be the

beginning of a wave of no shows. what do you think? >> i think it's a good possibility of that. i do think he should appear. i think he's got a lot of questions to answer. he's pretty central to this. going to question of whether he told vindman to shut up, perhaps i'm in a contrary mood tonight. i must tell you in the four white houses i've worked in, i think every general counsel who had a member of the staff come in and tell them something about what could be a big controversy would tell them, why don't you not talk about this for a while and let us sort out how to think about it. i don't see that as a cover up. i see that as standard operating procedures that are hit with a bad story. >> i suppose it matters how he says don't talk about it. if he says wait until we get our ducks in row or never speak a word about this. yes. >> the details do really matter.

i would be curious to see what his testimony, if he ever gives it is. yp john a little bit. i worked with him a small amount when we were both in the justice department years ago. he's known as a very careful lawyer. to me, what this unraveling story line indicates is really the perils of serving as lawyer in donald trump's orbit. it's as if there's a magnet of things that will come at you where your ethics a and your judgment is going to be questioned. >> i want to put up on the screen the other people who have been asked to come to testify. rick perry, the secretary of energy, john eisenberg. russell vought and a list of other people. is there a need for more

information based on what every one has been saying? >> i think there is wp you have to do a thorough investigation and select which witness will be most valuable. to the point it's a political issue you hae to educate the public so their representatives can do the right thing. >> great discussion tonight. thank you. >> thanks. yes, we have more breaking news as well. beto o'rourke dropping out of the 2020 presidential race. details and perspective from a one time candidate himself, straight ahead. ♪ (dramatic orchestra) performance comes in lots of flavors. there's the amped-up, over-tuned, feeding-frenzy-of sheet-metal-kind. and then there's performance that just leaves you feeling better as a result. that's the kind lincoln's about. ♪

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>> got a lot of political news to discuss on this busy night. governor dean, thanks for being with us. what happened to congressman beto o'rourke? >> i don't know. it was very exciting and ran a terrific texas senate campaign. it's a very crowd ed lane. pe h he couldn't get the momentum he had in texas despite all the excitement that we created. i don't think we have heard the last of him. >> his aides are making clear he won't run for the open senate seat in texas. he's not a candidate.

>> i think he'll do something else for a while and we may see him again. >> we have a new poll in iowa and you talked about the crowded field. to me one of the things this poll show is there's a bit wide open. if no one is the clear winner it seems there's an opportunity for a lot of candidates. are you surprised that beto o'rourke dropped out when there may not be a tremendous amount of certainty in this? >> i'm not surprised. his lane is also occupied by others. that's a tough problem. there are other ka rismatic young people too. iowa numbers are shocking. you sent me the poll ahead of time. i looked a t t eed at the cross. really stunning. joe biden who i like a lot and had a great interview on public

television. he's strong among people over 45 but that is not our core electorate. it's people under 35, women and people of color. for buttiegieg to be doing as welg well as he is stunning. this thing is completely up for grabs in iowa. ironically as we talked about before in december about five weeks before the primary in 2004 i was leading the field and joe lieberman was tied for second. anything can happen. >> the two big things in the poll is joe biden has slipped substantially in this poll. warren and sanders largely stay consistent. the big story is buttigieg gaining. him being in the top tier is

new. we have pictures of him speaking live. he is at this democratic dinner. what do you think is fueling the rise of pete in iowa? >> his hard work. i'm neutral in this and i'm not going to take a side until if there is a second ballot in milwaukee. otherwise i'll never take a side because i'm a super delegate. i've known for the last few weeks that he was putting an all in effort in iowa. it's his kind of country. it's the midwest. klobuchar can do that too. that's his country and he has really cap tap iitalizedcapital. he's tied for the lead in iowa. >> he is struggling to make any end roads at all, like at all with african-american voters in some of the key early states like south carolina and hooets goi

-- he's going to have to connect with them. how does that happen ? >> he has to connect with african-american voters and latino voters in nevada. that's why when i was chair i moved thoe ed those two states wouldn't be represented by all white states in the primary. this thing is very wide open. i have no idea what will happen. it's true that pete will figure out how to connect with african-american voters. there was a very interesting small focus group about a week or so ago. maybe it was less than that where african-american women were starting to talk about amy clo klobuchar. it's another example of somebody at 4%. he was at 4% and now he's at 18. these things can happen.

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wefr had stories breaking at every point in the program. p why would now be different? this is coming from soon to be published impeachment testimony. this item from tim morrison time before the panel. it concerns gordon sondland. the ambassador to the eu doing

his bidding. helping broker the quid pro quo which is washington post is reporting that a number of republican senators could be about to acknowledge. morrison had multiple conversations with ambassador sondland and became concern that he was going rogue on ukraine. he told lawmakers he thought he was a free radical. in his own opening statement he down played the president's role and his own role in the effort to pressure ukraine suggesting he was reluctantly working with rudy giuliani, the president's personal attorney who was running a shads drun ing a shadow diplomatic operation. it could tie sondland tighter. you can expect to hear more cnn develops. this concerned military and political help that ukraine needs for its survival.

it was back in june when president trump froze military aids. the aid was restored in september and the war continues. we're going to take you there to see what is at stake. you have on the front lines. walk us through. >> reporter: we traveled the length and breadth. they traveled all the way through the front lines. we found ukraine soldiers really very basic conditions. they are fighting in trenches just a few hundred yards away from the position of russian backed separatists. they have simple weapons.

what was your reaction when you heard that president trump had frozen this aid for some months? he said i'll tell you, i was happy and frustrated. america is the most important ally and the strongest ally that ukraine has. >> you also spoke to an american trainer. what did they have to say. >> this is in a western part of the country, u.s. trainers working with ukrainian soldiers on surprisingly one trainer was a little uncomfortable when i asked him about this subject. they don't love to talk about u.s. politics. he said that really we're focused on the mission here. the mission here is to train the these guys up, to help them build lethal teams to fight against the pro russian separatist. he said it hadn't even come up in conversation with the ukrainian soldiers he had spoken to but when you put the camera away, john, and you have a

conversation with people on the sidelines, it obvious that people here do have strong feelings about this. they don't want to say it publicly, they don't want to seem to be meddling or intervening or speaking out about the u.s. crisis but they are feeling the repercussions of the crisis. >> do you have a sense if back in washington there's an understanding of that, if there's an understanding of how desperately the ukrainians need this aid? >> i think more broadly speaking in the u.s. politically there is an understanding of the importance of the u.s.'s work with the ukrainian military of u.s. aid towards ukraine of the essential nature of the aid that the u.s. is giving in terms of this fight against russia and what the broader geo political connotations of that aid and support are.

so i do believe that. most ukrainians, they do feel that, too. they believe that the u.s. is committed to supporting ukraine in the long run but the real fear is that somehow that could possibly get derailed because of this political crisis. >> clarissa ward again, thank you so much for this reporting. it so important to have your eyes on the ground to see exactly what's going on. appreciate it. you can join anderson this sunday night for more on ukraine, our special report "white house in chaos, the impeachment inquiry" airs at p.m. eastern. next, more on this potential 180 on the republicans claimed quid pro quo. 1. and right now, t-mobile has the best deal on iphone. get 4 lines of unlimited with 4 iphone 11 included for only $35 a line. all on a signal that goes farther than ever before. that's right.

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that sea change may have been launched. i'm quoting from the story. the pivot was the main topic during a private senate gop lunch on wednesday according to multiple people familiar with the session who spoke on the condition of anonymity. we have a busy friday night for us and chris cuomo. it always wonderful to see your face, even more so when there's so much breaking news. republican senators may be conceding to the evidence here that there was a quid pro quo but going to take the angle that, yeah, it happened but it's not impeachable. >> that is the one good faith argument, which is we acknowledged the wrong, could have been abusive of power but it doesn't rise to the level of removal. we're going to go into a lot of factors with that tonight. the bigger concern is the house is no where near that. they won't even acknowledge the wrong. we have republicans on the show every night making people at the

professional ballet jealous with how they pirouette around it. rudy giuliani was in business with bad guys who say they were helping him find dirt on biden. why? now you have meadows and jordan talking after they see these depositions and going to the white house? how can it be okay? we're going to take all of this on. i appreciate seeing you on a friday night and thank you. everybody, i am chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." turns out president trump has a couple of guys on the inside. some big republican names could be in big trouble. we got a senior impeachment investigator here and brand new reporting o ion a suspicious ukrainian money trail. could it lead back to rudy giuliani? a wild week but you have to see it so let's get after it. the way i see it, there are three big headlines. first, all roads to ruin run

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