how they pirouette around it. rudy giuliani was in business with bad guys who say they were helping him find dirt on biden. why? now you have meadows and jordan talking after they see these depositions and going to the white house? how can it be okay? we're going to take all of this on. i appreciate seeing you on a friday night and thank you. everybody, i am chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." turns out president trump has a couple of guys on the inside. some big republican names could be in big trouble. we got a senior impeachment investigator here and brand new reporting o ion a suspicious ukrainian money trail. could it lead back to rudy giuliani? a wild week but you have to see it so let's get after it. the way i see it, there are three big headlines. first, all roads to ruin run through rudy giuliani. and tonight there's a new

superhighway of suspicion. according to sources, indicted giuliani associate lev parnas was being bankrolled with a ukrainian ol' garg, dmytr dmytro fitash. and this was right and the time parnas was giving half a million dollars to rudy giuliani. we don't know the connection but it's not good. second, the height of hypocrisy. cnn has learned some of the loudest members of the impeachment resistance, jim jordan, ranking member of the oversight committee and fellow oversight committee member mark meadows. they're accused essentially of

pulling a nunez, as in devin, the former head of the intel committee who had to recuse himself for running to trump with committee material. to be fair, jordan tells cnn he's never divulged information to the white house that should not be divulged. m meadows says jim jordan and i have tried to abide by the rules as much as we can. i invite both on the show on mg o -- many occasions. the white house who is not responded. what could they tell him that is not in public circulation that would be okay? third, a cnn source confirmed lieutenant colonel alexander vindman said he raised concerns about that july 25th call to nss lawyer john eisenberg, okay, part of the white house staff. guess what he was told in

response? shhh, stay quiet, stay nothing. politico said a few days after eisenberg told vindman, allegedly, sshhh, his team moved the transcript to the highly classified server and again told vindman don't tell anyone about the call. eisenberg was subpoenaed tonight. he's scheduled to testify monday. simple question. why tell vindman sshhh and then move the transcript into a secret server if the call was so the perfect? what does this all mean in terms of the scope of how the democrats see impeachment? all right? so we got a great guest for that tonight. we're going to talk to one of the senior members of the house foreign affairs committee, congressman gregory meeks of new york. great to have you here. thanks for wait fog aing for me at the desk. i hope i didn't bore you.

how could you be bored by this? last start with the last. vindman said i went to the white house to see ice eisenberg and i have big problems with this and he was told say nothing. >> a big problem. i've sat in on part of that testimony so i'm not going to talk about that, but that's why soon transcripts will be let and the public will be able to see for themselves and there will be public hearings on that based upon what we've heard in a private setting. >> is there a good reason for an nsc lawyer to tell somebody concerned about the call sshhh? >> no reason other than you don't want it out. what the whistle-blower said in the beginning and what ambassador taylor has said that has been consistent throughout

the testimony as known from the facts of the opening statements that have been revealed to the general public. >> so jordan and meadow, it seems like a flashback to nunez to me. what is okay to tell the subject of an oversight committee investigation about a closed-door deposition in that investigation? >> there is nothing okay -- >> in those general contours. >> there is nothing okay. that's why they've come up with this cover-up scheme. in any investigation, generally it is secretive so one witness cannot hear what the other witness is testifying to so you can get a drive at the truth. >> but he's the president. >> no, especially when he is a subject to the investigation. >> it's all political and these guys believe in him. >> then again, he shouldn't be in the room. if they want to violate what's supposed to happen in the room, then they should not be in the room. and then they go out and try to say that there's no republicans

in the room participating when in fact in that room there are always republicans, an equal amount as democrats and they have the equal amount of time to ask each and every witness a question. >> and obviously jordan meadows have been in the room and 47 members of the republicans party who are investigating the impeachment. you say the coverup, what are you referring to? >> it seems there's two sides. number one, we've heard from the president's own mouth what he did. we heard from his acting chief of staff that there was a quid pro quo. but then is he same time you see the president says he wants his side out, he wants his witnesses to testify. but who is the one person that's trying to block and asking people not to come to testify? >> the president. >> the president. we're saying we want the president's people to come. we're trying to drive for the truth. the president is the only one trying to prevent, telling people not to come to testify.

>> so how bad is what jordan and meadows did given that nunez did something that's every bit what they acknowledge and then some and nothing happened to him. he voluntarily recused. >> i think what's going to happen here is that when we move to unveil what the transcripts say and have this open testimony and the american people get a chance to actually see, listen and ratify for themselves the voracity of these individuals to testify. the people that i heard, i want the american people to hear it. >> people said the same thing with mueller. when he came up, he was a dud. no disrespect but he didn't move the needle. >> mueller, i think we got to look at that and what he did. i think it was substantial when you read his words. when you talk about patriots, like ambassador taylor, like my vindman, these are people who they don't care about democrat, republican or independent. >> you think seeing is

believing? >> absolutely. it's compelling testimony. >> the last one, rudy giuliani. now, i'm not making any allegations, but the two people that he was paid by that he was undoubtedly working with and y trying to find dirt for the president were guys under indictment right now. now we learn that one of them was getting a lot of money from a ukrainian big shot oligarch, which usually means you got connections to russia and we don't know why. the story with this guy furtash and working with the guy with giuliani was paid for an interpreter interpreters get private jets, security, hundreds of thousands in cash at the same time it goes to the giuliani and the fbi is taking a look at giuliani's money records, what does it mean to you? >> it means again -- i add this. you look at the president of the united states, who has instructed giuliani and others, i want you to talk to this president, i want you to talk to

the ukrainians, i want you to make sure that you get information on biden, which then goes to show that, one, as nancy pelosi has said over and over again, all roads lead back to putin but, number two, it goes to the president's abuse of power, the president who hurt our national security by holding dollars that our ally needed to protect against our russian enemy, as well as the president violating his oath by trying to get a foreign government involved in our 2020 elections and is utilizing giuliani and those individuals who are indicted. again, remember, if you just go through the entire trump administration, how many of his people are now in jail or have been convicted? it is a criminal conspiracy that you can see that's taking place with the president up top trying to say there was no quid pro quo on one hand when clearly he says, well, there's no quid pro quo using the word but then says he's demanding that the

president comes out, president zelensky comes out and makes a statement and public record, otherwise he's holding the money. so it seems clear to me that there is a coverup. everybody close to richard nixon, except for richard nixon, went to jail. and i think that when you start hearing individuals testifying and if they're not telling the truth, they're in danger themselves of going to jail. >> are you talking about anybody in particular? >> well, one rudy giuliani. >> he hasn't testified yet. we'll see. >> congressman, thank you so much. very heady allegations all right, if we're going to talk about breaking news and what matters, the congressman said nancy pelosi all roads run down to putin. but for sure we know rudy giuliani is in the middle of all of this this in terms of the dividing line between this just being a legitimate interest in corruption byes president -- if

it was, why did he try to get in information in such illegitimate ways? this new information about who rudy giuliani was working with and who they were working with is a big deal. we're going to bring in one of our inprtrepid reporters who bre the story. no one knows more than she. vicky ward next. if you build a truck tough enough to pull this much forward... you better make sure it's smart enough to back it all up. ♪ ♪

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vicky ward. it takes a closer look at parnas and where his money was coming from he may have used to pay rudy. the source a ukrainian oligarch suspected of having ties to the russian mob. thank you for coming in on short notice on a friday night. and firtash, the ukrainian oligarch is sought by the united states on a bribery investigation. >> for five years. >> they've been looking for him. >> yes. >> you have dmitri, exiled in vienna. the number one thing he did not want was to be extradited to american. what he was looking to do this sum, chris, was change lawyers. his lawyer for the last five years has been lanny davis, democrat. he was looking for a lawyer with ties tos trump administration. he meets lev parnas, who, as we know and we've reported, has

become very close to mayor a giuliani, has made mayor giuliani and has received exchange of money from foreigners. >> we don't thinkity took them to other trump-friendly lawyers. >> i we that parnas says to firtash let me introduce you to joe and victoria. >> his wife. >> yes. both great friends of giuliani and the attorney general, bill barr. thanks to parnas, furtash hires them -- >> and gets them the meeting. >> gets them the meeting. >> until now they claimed parnas's only role was as a humble interpreter what my

reporting shows with my colleagues at cnn is that suddenly theparnas is flush wit cash and bragging his new expenses, he had 24/7 bodyguards, chartering six flights up and down the east coast, one of which rudy giuliani was on. he was saying all of these expenses are being paid by firtash. he started hustling energy mag nats for deals he said he's going to do. so the question then becomes, chris, is giuliani the paw now for a ukrainian oligarch who is using him to buy influence at the highest level of our government? >> and why was rudy giuliani using but why was he using barnias, fruman and a couple of

other guys to look for dirt on biden if it was just a legitimate corruption orpgs? >> that's right but said they kept promising giuliani information on biden and they promised him connections on biden and giuliani has been driven. s shy. >> vicky, this is such important reporting because this general notion of pushback says the president was just doing something in the public interest but, boy, did he avoid the normal channel channels. thank you so much for the reporting. appreciate it. let us know when you have more. >> oh, i will. >> they've been going to these closed door depositions.

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. so we've got republicans listening to depositions, their right, and then consulting with white house lawyers, which seems very wrong. we have several witnesses attesting to the fact that there was a concerted effort to keep the call quiet amid vast concern of a potential bribe. so where does that leave the

defense strategy? cuomo's court is in session. asha rangappa, let's have a session called "is that okay?" asha, let's start with jordan and meadows. i call this pulling a nunez. they listen to the deposition, then go the white house and say we did nothing wrong. could they do something that's okay here? >> i think it really violates the integrity of the process if they are coordinating with the president's lawyers. this is a quasi judicial proceeding. just like the fbi or d.o.j. officers wouldn't be cooperating with investigators or a legal team, they shouldn't being doing this. this does undercut the criticism that the president has not had a

chance to have his lawyers present in the hearings. if basically jordan and meadows are acting as proxies or extensions of trump's legal team, they've been there and they've been there to act on his behalf. i this i that criticism goes out the window. my biggest question is why does trump not have a real legal team? i mean, these are not -- as far as i know mark meadows is not a lawyer, jim yordan dojordan doe law degree with you he's not the person i would be depending on if i was the president, not crabbe and goul from "harry potter." rudy's a little busy. i don't want to litigate whether or not the president should have representation because these are depositions. during clinton there was no representation by the president. open hearings are a different question. my question from you, asha to

you, if jordan and meadows go from depositions to white house to consult, how is it okay? >> first of all, chris and asha, you actually don't know what is being said there. what we do know is what's coming out of those depositions is a lot of leaking by democrats and what's been reported and including by your network is what these two members of congress on the republican side are doing to the extent that they can publicly, pushing back on the false narrative being painted by adam schiff and his cronies saying the way they spun that testimony isn't quite right, isn't quite true. second, with respect to this being a so-called quasi judicial proceeding, that's really not true either. in a quasi judicial proceeding, i was in course today in front of a jury, i know what one is. >> i know what one is and i've never been in front of a jury.

>> are separate roles for a grand jury who are not sitting and judging, who are not the prosecutor and are not a political body. the people body is not a -- >> let me just finish. you let asha go on and on. >> she didn't say anything that offends the fact ps. >> and pretend like the president is sitting there looking for lawyers. >> i'm sure. >> it also illegitimate for adam schiff to go out and speak selectively and leak and tell lies. >> you're making assumptions about him leaking. i had him on the show last night, he wouldn't tell me anything about any of the testimony. >> you wouldn't have a show if he weren't leaking. all cnn is full of the leaks -- >> are you saying these witnesses haven't provided testimony before they went in? the answer is yes. >> that's not what the laebs ea

are. >> your network is full of leak information. >> you want to talk about leaks and talk about something you don't know, let's talk about the same point but what we do know. what we do know is this, i can prove this and you can prove nothing except to speculate. jordan and meadows both admit they've gone to the white house after depositions to talk to white house counsel about the general contours of what's happening in the room. >> there's nothing wrong with that. >> how is it okay for a congress member with oversight responsibilities to talk to the subject being investigated about what they may have on him? >> the one on your show last night is talking about what's going on in that room all over washington and so are many other democrats who are spinning this. so there's nothing wrong with pushing back on false narratives. >> why did nunez -- >> let's not mix apples and

oranges. nunez chose to recuse himself. >> why? >> asha, get in here. >> courts and scholars have characterized impeachment proceed egings as a quasi judic proceeding. >> it isn't someone. >> it doesn't matter. it's not relevant. >> the bigger question here, chris, you know, and i'm speaking from the perspective of the president, if they're responding to every little leak and how are you going to defend this, i mean, the big legal problem here is that it seems to me that the president does not have a legal theory of the case. he should be grounding his defense in, you know, some kind of constitutional argument. i mean, even president nixon's argument was if you're the president, it's legal. he has not like that, he doesn't

have any kind of serious theory coming out. it's just throwing spaghetti against the wall and now you have the latest, after there was no quid pro quo, now there was a quid pro quo but, you know, it's not so bad. these are not serious defenses and i don't think he fully understands the magnitude of the legal jeopardy that he is facing, even if not in this proceeding, in the kaucourt of public even. >> what is the best defense of framing what happened between the united states president and ukrainian president as a bribe? >> the best is the transcript. there was no quid pro quo. there is no impeachable offenoffense. >> you ukrainan president said there's no pressure? >> the ukraine president didn't even know that the president was considering holding up aid, like he does, by the way, with most countries. >> that's not true. that's not true. >> fine. that's what's out there as far as i know.

there's no defense to be had yet because this is just an investigation. when there's time for a defense, i can assure you that there are plenty of lawyers working on this right now. >> all right. i appreciate -- >> bill taylor's opening statement twice mentions that the ukrainians were incredibly concerned that the aid was being withheld. they fully understood that it was being withheld as these negotiations for having a meeting and making a public announcement about an investigation into the bidens were happening, unless the allegation is that bill taylor was lying. >> but harmeet's point is we're not in the trial phase. this is the investigatory phase, when they open it to hearings and we get to hear and see these things for ourselves -- >> but the premise of her defense is wrong. >> which i'm fine with. >> there's no defense yet. there's a process we aren't there yet. >> i'm fine with that. i don't think the members of congress should be walking over

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so what do we make of this situation, the president's proxies in congress doing double duty? investigating him as the constitution provides and then going to the white house to give guidance? it has to raise questions, especially if you're going to scream about the integrity of the process. let's bring in congressman randy weber. i know had you a hard time getting here tonight, i know an accident was involved. thank god you're okay and thank you for continuing on your way here. god bless and i wish you a safe rest of the weekend. >> thank you, chris. >> so meadows and jordan. here's the concern. it doesn't seem right for one of you guys to go from your oversight capacity to the executive branch, whom you're

overseeing, and talking about what you saw and heard in a closed door deposition. how is that okay? >> you know, chris, it's interesting that the president's not allowed any representation in this process. his lawyers can't be in the room, he's not allowed to confront the so-called whistle-blower, the witness against him, and y'all want to -- people want to complain about mark meadows and jim jordan going to the white house. you have to trust their integrity just as much as you, i guess, people would say trust adam schiff's integrity, who has leaked a lot of things, spoke to the whistle-blower ahead of time, has absolutely controlled the situation to where republicans can't be in the room. we had to basically break into one of the rooms a while back. we're not allowed transcripts. we can read the transcripts, as long as we have a democrat staffer watching us. we don't get access to the process and mark and jim, who

have been in most of the hearings, you people assume that they're doing something improper because they speak to the white house, yet adam schiff can do everything he wants, hold up the process, keep republicans out, keep the public at bay. the president doesn't get due process and he's not questioned about that. talk about a double standard, chris. >> i hear all of it. i was making notes as we went along because i didn't want to interrupt you my rebuttal questions to you are, number one, this is a deposition, not a hearing. the president, nor clinton and even nixon early on, no president has ever had representation inside a deposition. henry hyde did over a hundred of these. clinton never had an attorney in any because it's the investigatory phase, point one. point two, you guys have people in all of them. you had people in the room, in the scif when the gates gang busted in there you had

republicans in there. you never answered my question. the president's not supposed to have representation at a deposition at this point. why is it okay for a member of congress to go from their oversight role to advise the president on the defense strategy? >> you're making an assumption that somehow they're saying improper things to the white house? how could they not, if they're saying anything, how could it be anything proper? if it's anything beyond what's public, how is it okay? >> that's the major problem with this entire process in my view is they're assuming what the president meant on a phone call, although he didn't say it, the ukrainian president didn't believe it was any kind of quid pro quo. >> the ukrainian president said he wasn't pressure. he never say there wasn't a quid pro quo. >> they're wanting to impeach the president for their interpretation of imposing upon

him their belief, their attitude and now here people are trying to do it with mark meadows and jim jordan. >> i don't want to impugn them. i love having you on but i'd love to have the people who are the direct subject of the allegation. i'm all about hearing why they did it. they say they went from the legislative to the executive, two separate branches of government, one with oversight over the other and they save provided general contours of an understanding of what happened in the deposition to help the white house defense. it's certainly not in the constitution to do that. why is it okay? >> let me ask you this question, chris. do you realize that members of congress go into classified briefings all the time? >> yes. >> and by law we're not supposed to reveal what's in those classified briefings. >> true. >> i'm sorry? >> true. in the affirmative. >> and so members of congress

are counted on to do the right thing every single day of their lives basically. >> yes. >> and just because jim jordan and mark meadows said it on these hearings and they go and sit down with the president, are they automatically guilty of dlg something wrong. he's assumed guilty, not innocent. he's guilty. >> i think it would be very wrong to do that. when politicians do it, it's wrong even then. this is just the investigatory phase. i and you and a lot of other people are making our own even if they're not leaking, counselingman -- >> i don't agree with your last comment that people are going to wait for the hearings. the democrats have already judged this president as guilty. they've been looking for a way to impeach him since day one.

one commentator said we've got to impeach him because we're afraid he'll get reelected. >> did they make the president offer a bribe to the president of ukraine and insert his lawyer to work with these shady guys who have connection with an crane crane oligarch? >> in president never offered a bribe. the president of ukraine wanted help in cleaning up. >> it's not president trump's fault that joe and hunter biden got caught up -- >> if he wanted to look at biden, you and i both know the properly channel is to go the atf or de aye, not give them a shadow. it's not his fault in a the bidens were part of that. >> the only corruption you think

that president zen ski is concerned about corruption in his country had to do with biden and the dnc? he said giuliani told me about your interest in the d and. >> did you read the transcript? >> yes, many times. i think i might even have it. oh, here it is. >> as i have, too, sitting in my notebook on my lap. i will tell you president zel ski mentions it first, he asks for help in ukraine. now, i don't care if you're biden -- >> he asked for help with missiles. >> you don't get to pay for play, you don't get to have -- sell your influence. >> first of all, yes, you do. congressman, of course you do. you were allowed even when you worked for the united states government to cut personal deals for advantage, even while you're doing the job for the u.s. government. it must be legal because the president's daughter is doing it right now. ivanka trump representing the

u.s. president and went to china and got a bunch of patents right when she was meeting with president xi. so isn't it okay? >> just another example of anti-trumpism. >> so you can keep doing it while you work in the u.s. government? >> so they can make business, they can do business, they can make money while they're working for the u.s. government. >> really? >> they're not selling -- >> absolutely they can. >> wow, i didn't know that. >> if you have business interests around the world before you get in office, getting in office doesn't preclude you from making money. >> so being congressman, if you had a business beforehand, so can you take a meeting and say by the way, before i talk to you about this policy, i'd love to get a new contract for my shipping company. i didn't know you could do that. >> there you go at it again.

i'm being facetious. we know you can't do it. i know ivanka trump did it. >> you are literally hitting at the heart of what's wrong with this impeachment process. the democrats are assuming guilt before innocent. >> congressman, i'm saying if you're upset about what biden's son did and i think i'm one of the few people on television who said i don't like what his son did, i think it's wrong and that's why he wants to change the rules if he gets to be president. i'm saying the idea that this president was worried about it going on in ukraine but he ignored normal channels, ignores corruption in his own administration, ignores it in his own family and uses his lawyer to do a shadow operation to get it done with two wise guys who wind up getting indicted doesn't sound like the most legit thing. >> none of that's true, chris. >> it's all true.

he said do us a favor and asked for him to look into the bidens and talk to mr. giuliani. >> the president of ukraine asked president trump for help in cleaning up the swamp. >> not with the bidens. >> again, it's not president trump's fault that the bidens were in an pay for play scheme -- >> only reason the bidens came up is because giuliani asked the ukraine government to reopen the case. i appreciate the zell oualousne especially on a night you were almost in a car accident. >> chris, it's good to be here and hear your opinion. >> go good night. >> it's just an observation. was this wrong and should it be punished? you have zero republicans voted to move forward with the

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