they describe what was an alien world they scoured for political dirt and pressured it for political help.

former ukraine ambassador marie yovanovitch testified that giuliani jue's shadow diplomacy in ukraine cut the ground out from underneath us. the former. he saw it as the use of american foreign policy to advance domestic political objectives. not fighting ukraine. it adds up. the two transcripts released adds up to a stinging indictment who said very little about the transcripts. however, can he speak at a campaign rally in lexington, kentucky. so what did the president say about the impeachment inquiry? and did he mention the transcripts? >> well, tonight here at this rally in kentucky, he focused primarily on the whistleblower continuing to poke at the whistleblower he's pushed for

whistleblower to be unmasked. as you know, the whistleblower wants to remain anonymous. >> he was legally allowed to remain anonymous. it's the law. >> right. it's the law. the whistleblower filed the complain and wants to remain anonymous. but yet despite this, the president continues to lash out. the testimony that has come out from current and former officials. several supporters are wearing the t-shirt saying read the

transcript he believes reading the transcript is vindication for him. even though republicans feel uncomfortable about this. as you know, a growing number are saying that they are concerned that the phone call. it's not something they would do but not an impeachable offense. and now he changed his tune saying even if this was quid pro quo, it wouldn't be a big deal. >> i assume the t-shirts as point out in the last hour saying read the transcript is not the new transcripts released today. the president, his fantasy version of the perfect transcript which is anything but. thank you very much. joining us now to talk more about where all this leads. the president, one time director, anthony scaramucci. thank you very much. why is the president still focused on the whistleblower? he's out of it or she's out of i. it has been corroborated.

it's moved on. >> because he's the best at longing in a crowd. by focusing on that and they can cling to that. i just left a personality exhibition at a university that i won't name. i'm up there speaking and they're up locked into read the transcript. i had one 20-year-old person told me everything the president does is perfect. they're locked into it. he does a very good job of it. >> so by focusing on the whistleblower, that ignores what is actually happening. >> focus on the whistleblower.

you recognize that he broke the law with his cohorts and nobody in our system should be above the law. don't foekt on that. focus on what i'm saying to you. so he's brilliant at that. jim jones was brilliant at that. so what you'll have to do is delayer this thing in a different way thanwe're currently delayering it. that's why the polling numbers are going down and the impeachment numbers -- >> does it make a difference? >> the testimony will come out. it is way worse than mueller. he's the o.j. simpson of presidents. he got away with the whole russian collusion situation but he's not getting away with this because he's a lawless guy and there's succession of lawlessness. i submit to you and everybody else, you think this is only thing we had a foreign leader? there are 193 nations in the

united nations. you think he had one call like this? there had to be 25 to 50 calls like this. so this stuff will come out. it will come out in the public gain and then there will be one. possibly two republican senators that will be the margaret b chase of the situation. >> no one is reading the constitution. no one is reading what ben franklin wrote. we'll figure it out. he has broken the law systematically he is discrediting people like you and me and to say, i've made this decision. i have to stay welded to this guy. full blown could go in it i have

dissidents. it will be one or two elected officials that are republicans that were with him the way frankly i was with him. they did not even show up. not really any ramifications. they don't want to feel like, do you think that's a mistake? >> i don't think so. i think the quicker they get this out in the public domain, the greater the likelihood that one or two rationalist that's really love the country and want to go down in history. think about the way we look at mccarthy. dwight failed to make a speech to denounce based on the criticism that he was giving on george marshall.

he had the speech. he was ready to make the speech and he folded the speech due to political expediency. eisenhower said it was one of the biggest mistakes. he was fearful of mccarthy in his home state. one of those republicans, man or woman, will say, hey, you know what? enough is enough. i'm voting against this guy when it comes time impeach him. >> you're talking about mckartsy. roy cohen was whispering in his ear. if they had a baby, it would be him. >> that's not really something i want to think about. i'm just telling that you this is a situation that will unfold. and there's more lawlessness. more facts come out that are more damning than the ones right now. we're doing a very good job on

the ground in these swing states. yes. some of them, the president is neck in neck. i'm talking about the impeachment issue. >> do you think president trump will win again? >> i think if he survives the impeachment, which i predict he won't survive it he'll have to leave office. >> that requires enough republican support. more than one or two. >> it doesn't feel like that right now. just remember nixon seemed safe coming into late july. early august, all of a sudden, tapes were out. >> at least with nixon you did have republicans voting to proceed with an impeachment inquiry. >> different time. different personality. if you read nixon's memoirs, he had a respect for the law and the system. he was trying to cover it up. once the rank found out about

it, did he capitulate. the president won't do that. we'll have to get him out a little differently than the way richard nixon left. he's equally lawless if not worse. we went from 43 to 49 on the impeachment remove. when we get to 60 he's done. so one way or the other, either there will be virtuous and righteous republicans that will come forward and say this is berserk or we'll get him with the polling numbers. the polling numbers are creeping up. he had a 15% polling move in a month. i believe in the laws of compounding. >> does politics go back to whatever it was? or is this the new normal? >> in both parties. >> like i said to you. it goes out. all the zombies will disappear. no.

it doesn't go back. the country is in a lot of pain and stressful if you look at the economic data, it is strong, stock market strong. there is a disparity. what we need is transitional leadership. sort of like post partisan presidency where someone comes in. doesn't care about left or right but more concerned about right or wrong and closes the gap for americans. irrespective of special interests. they're like, okay, these are the right policies. those policies, they're 5 and 10-year fixes. they like two-minute fixes. they don't have a cable news fix. they're going to have to start telling the american people truth as well. >> anthony scar move moochy. thank you.

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it is nothing new. >> back in 2015 is the president was very skeptical of giving ukraine aid that the state department want. and they kept saying everyone was telling him to oppose this aid even though most of his advisers were saying to give the aid and it was quite confusing. it was officials that want to bring him down. he hoped would it further aggravate vladimir putin. and even though there was vigorous and repeated entreaties to try to build a better relationship. >> you have a fascinating report

about the ukrainian president's predecessor. the guy that he was in ukraine before him who laid the groundwork for a quid pro quo kind of relationship with president trump of the it is really interesting. >> effectively the ukrainian government in 2016 kind of bet on the wrong horse. they bet on hillary clinton. the president met with hillary clinton before the election and of course, president trump wins. and the ukrainian government is incredibly concerned that effectively, the new president, president trump will cut them off. as josh that, the aid might get cut off. so there is this intense campaign to try to win trump over. that includes flattery and politically expedient trade deals like buying coal from

western pennsylvania which might help in the re-election. it involves embracing rudolph giuliani. all in aid of trying to get this military weaponry, particularly, that they hope the president will sell to them. so as you said, kind of laying the groundwork for this very transactional relationship that trump then brings to the next president excellence which has gotten trump into the impeachment inquiry now. >> the president went so far as to suggest that ukraine wasn't a real country. in what context did he say that? >> he was briefed by kurt volker and many others who were looking for a more sporive relationship. the president would tell his advisers, he did not tell them about the relationship. that he did not want to frustrate them. and he said are these even real

people in they were corrupt. he was told that the ukrainians were out to get him. and he said what's the point? >> ukraine also was trying to cultivate the relationship with the president through cooperation or hacking of cooperation on aspects of the mueller investigation. >> that's right. if you recall that as the mueller investigation is going on, there are sever parallel cases in ukraine relating to the president's former campaign chair paul manafort who did work in ukraine. and there was concern in the trump white house that these ukrainian cases might escalate and create more problems for the president. what is interesting that happens is, president poroshenko and his advisers effectively freeze these cases. we don't have evidence that they were at the request of giuliani

jue or the president. but as this campain is going on to flatter and win trump over, there is an order to effectively freeze these criminal cases that might hurt the president and the sale of javelin missiles gets approved at the end of 2019. >> according to your reporting, they let, it was, they let him go back to russia and not be rabl for mueller. >> right. so kilimnik worked with paul manafort. was indicted in the russia investigation, the mueller investigation. he very mysteriously leaves ukraine. he is now living in russia. how and why was he let go? this is possibly one of the things that the poroshenko government allowed to happen possibly to help. >> fascinating reporting. thank you so much.

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with deposition transcripts coming out, the president will have plenty to reaction to in the weeks to come. the press secretary calls him his own war room on impeachment. the question is, is that a good idea? both veterans of the clinton war room. we haven't really heard the president, you know, he was

throwing out, it seems like there is this spaghetti approach. throwing out as much as possible to see what sticks and then ride that horse to mix metaphors. >> a spaghetti western sort of thing. >> exactly. >> today he is not saying the transcripts have been faked. it seems like that's a one-day thing you can say because there are plenty of republicans who were there would point out, and witnesses would point out, that's not what in. >> not even a one-day argument. a one news cycle. one tweet. the shoot a man on fifth avenue prediction turn out to be right. ? i think the partisanship is so baked in. it probably was in the clinton

days, too. although you did have some democrats. they had an open mind. let's look at the facts. 25 of those 31 said, it doesn't merit impeachment. they were on the level. >> the revelations, from these transcripts, they're only going to keep coming. and then the question is, does bolton testify on thursday and if so, what game is he playing? what is he talking about? >> the facts only get worse. i think democrats will release these in a story telling way. they'll build up and the last couple will be taylor and that which really undermines the criminality of what he was up to. whether bolton testifies or not, i don't think he will. i don't think they'll wait for it. you know, the politics are different now than in '98.

30 some democrats voted for this because they thought it was in their interests to show their constituents. there isn't a republican right now who is independent of donald trump. the only people who will speak out. but he has a strangle hold on them and they're intimidated because he has taken a few of them down. and that's different than '98. >> and a lot of republicans represent districts that have a strong military components. she talked about how security has been hoowed out today. they were talking about how the state department has been hollowed out. tomorrow's election day where i now live. all navy. people running the campaigns are

saying, it was dropping there a lot. i wonder if it is because they understand how national security could be compromised in this and it is just a theory. we'll see how they do. they do have to worry. and the democrats should do their job of saying this is how it affects you. not just people we've never heard of arguing about places we've never been. this is your security. friends of mine have kids in the military. we need to make sure, the democrats need to make sure the country understand that's our security is being played with allegedly. >> in the clinton white house, they wrote to president clinton, he studied watergate and nixon and what went wrong and what went right and one of the takeaways was that nixon talked about what was going on constant. and that the lesson was, send the mention to the american people the president is conducting business for them. this is not hobbling the

president. that seems the complete opposite with stephanie grisham saying the president has his own war room. >> the strategy was very straightforward. the president doesn't talk about it. he engaged us occasionally on the sub. he did focus on it. there are a couple of fundamental differences and as i've been thinking about this, i think the president's ability to speak on twitter and on fox without a filter is something that we did not have. if bill clinton wanted to talk every day, he would have had to go through the media filter. trump has these platforms that didn't exist in 1998 or in the form they exist in now. if he survives it, roger ales

said i started fox news because nixon would have survived. >> i think it's a great point. i think the most important thing is the agenda. i went back and looked. during 1998, the year of the star scandal, president clinton, double funding. a child support, nursing home standards, class size. hoping the advance peace in the movie east between israelis and palestinians. the kyoto acovered. all of that happene. mr. trump has a republican senate. president clinton did not have either. he got all of that done and it made life better for folks. >> thanks. up next, the globe trotting mission. the top prosecutor appears to be trying to rewrite the history of it. while they may be clinking their

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the world apparently isn't offering much in return that discredits u.s. intelligence agencies. the senate intelligence committee or rob mueller, for that matter. from london, nic robertson shows us how the domestic probe is creating irritation with our global partners. >> behind the smiles, there's tension in the special relationship. president trump wants boris johnson to investigate his political opponents. to figure out if moou and others tried to smear him. the day after his controversial call with the ukrainian president in july, and just two days after johnson became prime minister, trump called him. now parliament wants details. >> did the prime minister as today's times reports, receive a request from president trump for help in trying to discredit the mueller report? >> the prime minister won't

comment on the discussions. but i can, i can give him assurance that of course neath the prime minister or then the secretary, nor any member of the this government. >> both the white house on downing street published brief notes on that conversation. neath made any mention of the investigation that trump is demanding. days after the trump johnson call, the attorney general william barr was in london for a meeting on tension cooperation. and moving trump's investigation forward. he says his british sources were shocked at the requests coming from washington. >> the way that it began to emerge, it was asking for information. it is about their own serngs.

>> barr has been to australia and italy in what is now a criminal investigation into the origin of the trump investigation. the intelligence it used from overseas. the italians had nothing to offer barr. on his agenda, likely the row on the academic who vanish two years ago. that he said the russians had dirt on h h. one of those aquaintances, george xa dpapap dap lustful th worry about the ill reply indications. >> the apprehension, the impression i got, was that they may get drawn into internal american politics. >> president trump's obsession with discrediting mueller could

cost america the trust of its allies. >> i'm bringing in our analyst jeffy toobin. it is not information about the russians or about hacking or about the chinese but about the united states. the tension services. >> barr has ordered an investigation of the origin of the mueller investigation and the whoa russian investigation in connection to the 2016 election. they have all point to the same set of origins that alexander downer, an australian diplomat, went to an american. went to the u.s. intelligence services and that, george

papadopoulos, a campaign aid, had inside information that this hacking was going on. that is what has been the origin. there have been these other conspiracy theories, always refuted. refuted by the tension committees. even the republican house intelligence committees that there was some other origin. that the steele dossier had something to do with it. >> it is remark panel the attorney general of the united states, with all the things would take priority. that he is traveling around the world to our allies, to australia, to italy, to london, seeking out, looking for raw intelligence to prove this theory. >> he's pleasing his boss. >> that's entirely what this is all about. the same obsession with finding

out dirt on his political enemies that we're seeing, we saw in ukraine, is going on here in a slightly updated version. we're not giving aid in return. >> this all stems from the president's belief this whole russian idea that he doesn't really belong to. he feels it takes away from his victory. that's what is motivating all of this. >> he feels that the russia investigation discredits what he accomplished in 2016. he also thinks that raising this issue, raising the specter of some sort of improper conduct on the part of the tension agencies will help him in 2020, too.

>> this is a criminal investigation. this is an attorney in connecticut. why is barr personally going around? >> he is the head of the justice department and the u.s. attorney in connecticut is his subordinate. they do a lot of investigations. they don't have the attorney general traving around the world for their benefit. so the fixation that barr is showing and the priority that he's assigning to it seems wildly disproportionate unless you recognize his boss, the president of the united states, is obsessed with this theory even though there's no evidence to support it. >> more ahead on this busy monday. new postgame shows president trump staying fairly competitive in several battle ground states. when you rent from national...

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there's new polling that shows president trump in a relatively difficult position. in michigan, pennsylvania and wisconsin, according to the "new york times," "the new york times" sienna college poll shows he's either even with joe biden or behind by not very much. even with her in wisconsin in pennsylvania. the president is behind the former vice president in florida and arizona but ahead according to the poll in north carolina. wisconsin, have been, is one of those all important states. won by president trump in 2016. kyung lah trav there as the impeachment inquiry wraps up. >> let's do this, wisconsin. >> the 2020 battle for wisconsin starts now. >> good morning. we'll get you a clipboard. >> democratic foot soldiers

fanning out across the banger state. >> are people talking about impeachment? >> it's not what you're hearing at the coffee shop. it's not what i'm hearing. >> a year from election day, this is a door to door mission. find out what matters most. >> so what's important to you? >> do you feel it is a house to house battle? >> it is. completely. here you have people in a county that voted for barack obama and donald trump. >> racine, a swing county in a political swing state. president trump won wisconsin by fewer than 23,000 votes. we meet democrat bruce dub. >> how long did you work for chrysler? >> 36 years and two weeks. during trump's term he's seen some jobs come back. he cared most about that.

>> you didn't mention impeachment. i find of don't like impeachment. the people on his side, i don't think they're going on jump ship because of it. >> dig. >> wisconsin democrats are talking about impeachment. it is more than 150 gop event this week. >> is peaching helping you or the republican party. go for it. >> we're just digging our heels in deeper to fight it. >> wyoming democratic party. >> but driving democrats, the bitter sting of 2016 and the determination to not have it happen again. >> if i can convince at least one maybe two every time you

talk and i, i'm going to keep doing it you this the snow. the worst thing to happen. >> now the special adviser to probe and a former communications director for hillary clinton. both cnn commentators. is there any surprise for you in the battle ground states? >> i think the national numbers are so good. you look at the battle ground states where we got beat. and it's like only biden beats him. we've seen this incredible -- we have two extraordinary progressive candidates, bernie and elizabeth warren, and the enthusiasm is there. but i think people are going to

have to start to think about what does the country really want? does the country want peace and normalcy, or do we want more of, i guess, a counter-disruption. that's the question right now. is it time to heal from the wounds of the trump era, or is it time to try to fix the system that led to the trump era? and i think this party is still working that out. >> jess, there certainly still seems to be a lot of folks on the republican side who are energized and outraged by the impeachment battle. >> yeah, absolutely. i think that, you know, the candidates are more or less within a margin of error in terms of who beats trump by one or loses by two. but this should be a really chilling poll for democrats everywhere. trump can win this election. i think it's really easy while we're sitting here in impeachment, looking at the national polls, seeing the incredible turnout of 2017 and 2018, to think that we've got this. but trump can absolutely win

this. >> just in conversations with people in the airports and wherever i go, i say that all the time. he very well might win again. and people -- like democrats, i don't know if they're living in a bubble or if they're just delusional, but they seem shocked by that. >> we have to remember we don't just have to win the electoral college this time. we have to win despite the racist policies that unfairly suppress a lot of our base and despite whatever foreign help he's going to solicit during -- we have a deck that is stacked against us as democrats largely, and we have to overcome that with more people. >> and there's still the debate about -- i mean as you point out, centrist policies is taking -- is medicare for all or fix obamacare or -- >> i think for the progressive wing of the party, we just don't want to lose the same way twice. that's the thing. it's like put up the moderate that can get it done. don't go with the bernies. that's too crazy. it's like lucy and the football. if we lose the same way twice, oh, we hate the world and

ourselves. but on the other hand, these numbers are very, very chilling. and the reality is if nothing else, i think progressives have to be honest and say, look, this is going to be an uphill climb for an elizabeth warren or for bernie sanders especially in the battleground states. if we're going to sign up for that, it's going to take a lot more work. >> also if you look at fund-raising, the trump campaign has been doing great. >> oh, yeah, obviously. and we're being outspent massively online right now and have been for many, many months. we are just starting to catch up to that. >> which also explains -- some of the numbers are -- the trump organization is doing a really effective job of advertising right now into those states, and while we're fighting each other over how much opening of the border should we do, the other side is relentlessly defending the president online and elsewhere in those battleground states. >> so what's the next step? what should democrats -- >> i don't actually see this as much of a narrative that feeds into the progressive versus

moderate conversation that we're having. i don't think that the solution is winning over trump voters from 2016. only 26% of the country voted for him in the first place, and hillary clinton got 3 million more of the votes that were actually cast. i think at this point what we want to do, the smart strategy is on building on the success that we saw in 2017 and 2018 with dramatic expansion of the electorate. the margin in wisconsin that she lost by was smaller than the number of black voters we now know were unfairly disenfranchised. that should be a focus. >> jess mcintosh, appreciate it. van jones, always. at the end of the another day for the history books, the president has just spoken out, if you can call it that. we'll show you next. ♪ do you recall, not long ago ♪ we would walk on the sidewalk ♪ ♪ all around the wind blows ♪ we would only hold on to let go ♪ ♪ blow a kiss into the sun ♪ we need someone to lean on ♪ blow a kiss into the sun

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