welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day with us. a crack inside the impeachment stonewall. vice president pence who was central to the ukraine policy honors a subpoena and testifies on capitol hill this hour. plus a one-time rebuke from his friend in france. he said the nato alliance risks, quote, brain death because the

united states shows signs of turning its back on europe. bernie sanders looks to make a move. a new immigration plan out today and a clear strategy on headlight care. keep the peace with elizabeth warren by bernie sanders. >> isn't the only winner of that joe biden? >> what joe has got to tell the american people, by the way, is how his plan is going to impact ordinary americans. >> back to the 2020 democrats a bit later, but we begin the hour with the impeachment inquiry. another damning transcript, another important witness and another tweet from the president making clear he will complain even when he gets what he asked for. the transcript is from the witness who has a lead role in next week's public hearings. bill taylor, his testimony adds to the evidence that, yes, there was a ukraine quid pro quo. the witness today is jennifer williams, a national security expert on loan to the vice president staff who listened in on that july 25th call and was

concerned about what she heard. she did show up today after a subpoena by house investigators. we should note there was one important no-show today. former national security adviser john bolton did not come to the capitol this morning, but he said he would show up should the court give him a congressional subpoena. remember last week the same president said it was unfair the witnesses were testifying in private. kaitlan, tell us how jennifer williams fits into the saga? >> reporter: people may ask, why is she testifying on capitol hill, but she may play a more important role than some of the other people that have gone up there because of the row she occupi -- role she occupies. you're right, she currently answers to john kellogg, but the

president and his staff plays a key role in selecting who it is they take on to come and work in their offices in these positions. jennifer williams is an interesting one because she was recently named, we did not know this before, that she was in on that july call between the u.s. president and the ukraine president that is central to all of this. we're told she had concerns about that call, but the vice president's office said so farther not familiar with her voicing any displeasure, but that's something we'll likely find out after she comes out from this testimony behind closed doors today, depending on what she's asked. when the vice president went to poland to meet with the president, jennifer williams went on that trip. there was a lot said between vice president pence and president zelensky. when he was asked about jennifer williams, if he had concerns about her testifying, he didn't

address her directly, but he did say his conversations with the ukranian leader were focused on getting rid of corruption in ukraine. we'll see what jennifer williams had to say and see if it sheds more light on how all of this unfolded. >> it will interesting to see that transcript as we go forward. with me in the studio, sun min kim with the "washington post," margaret lopez with "poliltico" and margaret talev. the vice president's team was central on all of this. it might be about mike pence. there were about half a dozen key points where mike pence was involved. he skipped t he, the president, skipped the ukraine president's

inauguration. he had a phone call with president zelensky. he listened in to all that. he also spoke to him by phone. he has said, and let's just listen. here's the vice president last night on fox business. he was asked about his involvement. he says this. >> you never said, listen, if you want to get this nearly $4 milli million, you have to do something on corruption. >> of course not. of course not. other than to say we wanted them to support the effort on corruption in ukraine. >> he used the word "corruption." if that's all he said, his hands are presumably clean, but the question is did he know? did he know what his staff was doing? that's how jennifer williams could be helpful today. >> she could be interesting and she could be useful on a couple

fronts. one because she is a career foreign service official. she did work briefly in the bush administration on the homeland security department, i believe, and may have worked with the campaign, but she's not a "poliltico," she's a foreign service officer. her legacy, her connections are on the presidential front and not the political front. however, she is fresh eyes and ears in the administration and she was in on that call. we don't know much yet about vice pence's involvement. there is a lot of presence of rudy giuliani, but there's not as much about the vice president's role in this. so any little bit that can fill in some of the gaps in that knowledge may be important to understanding the timeline and who was involved. >> she did show up today. we have a little more breaking news on today's no-show. john bolton, potential witness,

he was the national security adviser. the house decided against hitting bolton with a subpoena. let's go to capitol hill. manu, does it make it less likely he appears at all? >> reporter: it's possible he may not appear at all. because according to a statement that was provided by a house intelligence committee official that john bolton had informed this committee that if they issued a subpoena, that his attorneys would take this to court and fight this out in court. and according to this official, they say that we have no interest in allowing the administration to play rope-a-dope with us in the courts for months. they say they regret the decision for him not to come voluntarily, but that's significant because it shows despite john bolton appearing time and again in a number of witness depositions who say that john bolton was concered about the role of rudy giuliani by the president himself, by the push to investigate the president's rivals amid this aid that had been withheld for ukraine that the committee may not ever speak to john bolton and they will

still continue forward with their impeachment inquiry. what's very clear in the last several days were recent steps to move for public hearings and not pursue key witnesses are a sign that democrats want to wrap up this impeachment inquiry in the coming weeks. they don't want to let this drag on for some time in court. the question is ultimately what will happen if the court ultimately sides with the democrats? there is a separate case involving testimony for don mcgahn, former white house counsel, who the house judiciary committee is trying to get to testify. if that court says witnesses don't have absolute immunity and are required to testify, that could have an influence on john bolton's request by the house to testify. but the democrats are not going to fight this in court, they're moving forward. we raise concerns about john bolton but perhaps not much more than that, john. >> manu raju, i appreciate the

breaking news of t. number one, you get the democratic strategy. we don't want to drag this on, we're bumping up against a campaign year, we want to do this as quickly as possible. but is it possible this changes when you get to the judiciary if there is actually an impeachment? or if there is an impeachment trial? the democrats believe they have fiona hill, one of bolton's deputies, who said he called rudy giuliani a hand grenade. my argument, though, is it -- is a political argument. if you're trying to sway trump voters, don't you want bolton at the witness table at some point? >> in a perfect world, yes, having bolton there would help democrats. unfortunately, they don't live

in that world and time is important. bolton is willing to testify if the court clears his way to do so, but that's a pretty big if. we've seen how through their oversight efforts they have won some key victories at the circumstance can you te circuit court and district levels, but they don't have time right now. it's possible at the end of the year, it would put an impeachment trial in january in the senate, but to resolve this out legally could take months and that would bump clearly right into an election, and i think people are both sides believe this is something the voters should resolve at the end of the day. >> i would expect house democrats, as this goes public, oh, you want to challenge the description as a drug deal? you want to challenge rudy giuliani being described as a hand grenade? you want to challenge certain reports to the white house by

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president trump is agitated today about reporting he pushed for his attorney general to defend his actions in that now infamous july ukraine call. a source tells cnn that the president asked william barr to hold a news conference to declafr td declare the president did nothing wrong on the call, which is now at the center of the impeachment inquiry. it's pretty clear that press conference did not happen. we're not sure why. according to their reporting,

the attorney general refused the request. president trump repeatedly denying this story on twitter today telling a reporter, totally made up, untrue, and a con job. we know it is not totally made up from your reporting subsequent to this. take us inside the thinking here. bill barr has been kind to the president in controversial ways many times. why not here? >> look, i think there is a limit to what even bill barr can do for the president, but let's just back up a little bit and point out that the president got almost everything he wanted. he got a statement from the justice department on the day they released the transcript of the ukraine call. he got a public statement from the justice department saying that criminal prosecutors had looked at the transcript of the call and nothing else, pretty much, and decided that there was no crime there, that there was no criminal violation of campaign finance laws. and so everything was done, you

know, according to plan that day. and so he didn't get the press conference from bill barr, but he did get a very public statement from the justice department that said there is nothing to see here. obviously, though, since that time, it's been clear that prosecutors in new york had other ideas, that they are looking at rudy giuliani's conduct with regard to ukraine, they have been looking at all of these issues that rudy was doing, and certainly, you know, the fact that people in headquarters closed the books doesn't mean that new york can't reopen those books and take a wider look. >> an important point that, yes, he would take a lot of flak for it, yes, there could be leaks pointing at him if he did it, but bill barr, doesn't he have the authority to shut that down if he wanted to? sdp >> sure, he does, but essentially he's removing all hands from this. he's taking a hands-off approach because we're talking about the southern district of new york, and it's clear, you know, the attorney general's name came up

on that call. it is clear now that there is nothing that the justice department can do from the minute that lev parnez was arrested. the president said i never asked bill barr, but that's not what the reporting indicates. the source said he certainly wanted bill barr to do this and word got around the justice department somehow. he may not directly ask the attorney general, but certainly that word got there. >> you see rudy giuliani tweeting out his legal team. on the facts side, the investigation continues on the feds. we're going to get later in the program to a former attorney general and his latest moves. we saw this throughout the jeff sessions era, the president trying to get the justice department to do things which is outside the lines of normal presidential separation of the justice department and the president's behavior, but here

we go again. >> in the case of jeff sessions, he recused himself which we know upset the president, but it's not surprising that president trump is telegraphing in some way, which is what the reporting suggested, to the doj that he would like a press conference, and so in that case, i mean, even though the president may deny it, there is no reason for us to take his word for it. >> and so i just want to go barr has been an interesting -- there are stronger words -- figure since he took the job. he has launched an investigation at the president's request. this is something the president very much wants, the origins of the mueller investigation. ignoring the white house decisions on the impeachment inquiry. as you mentioned, looking to clear trump on any campaign finance violations and he's not recusing himself from any investigation. if he wants to be the president's backup, he's there for it. but he distanced himself, had the white house distance

themselves from that last mick mulvaney conference. you mentioned the investigations going on in new york of two giuliani associates. it's now being prosecuted at the justice department. the prosecutor yesterday said this. ro roger stone lied, quote, because the truth looked bad for the trump campaign and the truth looked bad for donald trump. so for bill barr, maybe he doesn't want to touch this stuff because he knows how nuclear it could be. but they're saying a lot of tough things about the president and his lawyer. >> yes, the president got what he wanted in terms of saying, well, we didn't see a criminal misdeed here, but boy, they have kept this as far as they possibly can from main justice. in the meantime, bill barr is meeting around the world with intelligence agents trying to interfere with their thoughts that the president tried to

interfere with the 2016 election. >> we're still waiting for the i.g. report. we've had several indications it's coming soon. we just can't seem to define "soon," right? >> they said that in july, so we're thinking somewhere around thanksgiving that would come. that's certainly a day the president is looking forward to, because he believes that will help support some of the arguments that this entire investigation was without cause, that he was railroaded, that he is the victim of essentially a hoax during the last three years. >> what has been striking to me going back to the mueller days is how little we hear from bill barr on these issues. maybe that's smart, but in this environment where his character and his credibility and his conduct is questioned so often, we hear so little. he does not think it's important. unlike the president, who wants to be in the media and the social media every day, bill barr prefers -- >> he has widely decided he

doesn't want to be a public figure. there are some parallels to mike pence, although these are different stories, but i've been interested in the last several days to watch some of the figures who are getting drawn into this ukraine probe and kwi impeachment inquiry are trying to find the safe distance to hold back, the right to engage publicly, because the closer you get to the center of the story, the hotter it gets. you know, barr is an interesting case because we don't hear from him that much, but we see the impacts of his actions and i think the president is embarrassed by the idea that it would be out there in the press, the idea that he wanted something and his attorney general didn't give it to him. but barr's decisions may actually have protected the president in this case. i'm not sure president trump really wanted barr to go out and do that. >> well, he wanted, but is it in his best interests? again, we go back to what we'll talk about in just a minute.

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today is proof that timing is everything in politics.

jeff sessions. sessions is the comeback kid, or you might say senator. he wants to get his seat back in alabama held by doug jones. tomorrow is the deadline to get the papers in. one year today sessions was forced out of his job as attorney general. sessions will be joining a crowded republican primary and risking what the president once called his, quote, biggest mistake. jeff zeleny is live in alabama. jeff, what are you hearing about the timing here and has he chatted with his former boss about the campaign? >> reporter: as far as we know, jeff has not advised the white house or talked to president trump at all, which is not surprising. the two men are not exactly on speaking terms. the timing of this is certainly interesting. this is jeff sessions' choice to make that announcement later today, we're told.

he's going to jump into that republican primary. his fate is somewhat in the president's hands. he was just signing the paperwork to be on the ballot here, and the vice president was asked if he planned to jump in or campaign for his long-time friend jeff sessions. he said, we will let the people of alabama decide this race. that is pretty much an open question if president trump will let the people of alabama decide this race, or if he will put his hand on the scale and try to support another republican nominee. we are told by republicans close to the white house that president trump is angered by this, he does not want jeff sessions to run for senate, so it's hard to imagine him sitting on the sidelines watching all of this play out for him. jeff sessions wants his job back. he liked being a senator. this is a tough time as attorney general for him, but unclear how this election is going to go. a glimpse of this may come when the president travels to alabama on saturday. he's going to watch the lsu-alabama game, the biggest

college football game of the week. we'll see if he gives a hint if he will stay out of it or not. i'm guessing he may have some thoughts on it. john? >> maybe he'll wear a button or go to a tailgate or something like that. jeff, appreciate the double duty reporting there, live in new hampshire. we're making light of it, but the president is going down, you have this republican candidate who will all be looking for the blessing of the united states. i want to read from some of your report og thing on this to foll on what mr. zeleny said. the president has discussed attacking sessions with senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. trump has repeatedly denigrated sessions to allies and white house aides in recent days, people familiar with his

comments said. mr. trump sent word to mr. sessions through allies that he would publicly attack him if he ran. >> i think he doesn't want his last act of public service to be fired by the president of the united states in a humiliating fashion, but i think now that he has confirmation he will announce his candidacy later today would be interesting. the sense i'm getting so far is that while there is still a lot of fondness for jeff sessions in the senate, he was a colleague there for 20 years, they want to avoid anything that would make it a messy primary. a messy primary for roy moore is what helped doug jones win last time, and since that 2017 loss, republicans have been banking on at least getting this seat back to protect their majority. any messy firing squad could hamper the way towards that. >> this is a great story. it doesn't matter where you are on the partisan spectrum, if

you're neutral or just an observer, it's a major epic greek tragedy kind of story. sessions has been a sitting duk f -- duck for all these months. he's like, wow, guess i better make it count. it would be tough to do it twice. roy moore, wow, what? the primary field itself was amazing, right, and then as president trump knows, whuen yo have a crowded primary, you could end up with a totally different result. jeff sessions has nothing to lose. president trump has left jeff sessions nowhere to go but here. >> it is interesting, though, because if you lost a primary, you're trying to come back as being fired as attorney general, but if you lost a primary, that would be embarrassing. then sheldon is standing by trying to get sessions to run. it's interesting that another republican sitting senator, most will stay out of this, but that the senator from alabama, richard shelby, is red did ady

stand up. he said, i will help you raise money. i will help you try to clear the clutter. that's interesting. another interesting thing is that jeff sessions is going to go on fox news. a lot of fox news was very critical of jeff sessions when he was attorney general and they thought he wasn't doing enough to protect the president from the mueller investigation. not tucker carlson. >> for god's sakes, lay off jeff sessions. he's your friend. one of the few you have in washington. sessions worried about the mission he was hired to do. >> jeff sessions, who made the mistake of becoming attorney general and was totally attacked and discredited -- not entirely, mostly unfairly, i thought, it sort of obscured the fact that sessions was trump long before trump. sessions was the single most impressive member of the senate. >> will the president -- it's a soft landing, if you will.

you go to a friendly, familiar face on a network that's important to republican voters and important to the republican president of the united states. will the president listen and say, maybe i should back off here and just let it play out? >> if you're a sessions primary riv rival, you don't need new material from the president. you can go back two years on attacks on the attorney general. if they go for doug jones, i think that's an easy call, they all rally together. but if you're leading the pack and jeff sessions comes in, just show the president attacking the former attorney general. >> to your point, maybe that's behind sessions' reasoning to go on fox news. potentially the president will be watching this, maybe i can get in his ear and carlson will be favorable to me. back real quick to the senate republicans. the nsc chair was saying, look, i think the primary will sort

itself out so we don't see anyone rushing to back sessions ahead of his announcement. >> let us know how the president handles this one or if he runs in alabama. looking forward to it. steve bannon getting more interesting by the moment. not in the impeachment, but at the roger stone trial. mornings were made for better things than rheumatoid arthritis or psoriatic arthritis. when considering another treatment, ask about xeljanz xr, a once-daily pill for adults with moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis or active psoriatic arthritis

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topping our political radar today, the president of france raising eyebrows across europe saying nato allies can no longer rely on america to defend them. the jarring assessment came in an interview with congress. he said nato is experiencing, quote, brain death because of president trump and the american indifference to the european alliance. angela merkel quick to disagree, however, calling his quote drastic and inappropriate. it's day three in the roger stone trial here in washington. his phone showed frequent contacts with the trump campaign. shimon prokupecz has been at the

trial for us. shimon, take us to court and maybe a movie review. >> it's an interesting day in court where the agent for roger stone really detailing the many ways roger stone was trying to intimidate a witness who was about to go and talk to members of congress. you remember that witness, it's randy credico, comedian and radio host from new york. it's been a colorful morning, a lot of language we can't say on television, but there's been a reference to roger stone telling credico about randy five fingers from t"the godfather." he said anything to save the plan, stonewall, a reference to richard nixon, of course. a lot of serious business as well. the agent that's on the stand is

testifying about the contacts that roger stone had, the numerous ways in which he was communicating with members of the trump campaign about his information, about his access to wikileaks and what he was trying to do. and, of course, we're all waiting for one of the big witnesses here, steve banbannon who prosecutors have identified to jurors as the ceo of the trump campaign, talking about emails between him and roger stone talking about wikileaks. all of that is yet to come. we don't know when steve bannon is going to appear here. he's not going voluntarily, we're told. he's been subpoenaed. >> shimon prokupecz outside the courthouse. i appreciate that reporting and we'll keep track of this trial which is running parallel to the impeachment inquiry. i don't know if that's odd or not. coming up, bernie sanders' long

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senator bernie sanders today rolling out a long-awaited immigration plan saying, quote, we're going to turn over everything trump has done to dem onnize immigrants. end family separation and reunify families, end i.c.e.

raids, something his 2020 rivals have not fully embraced. an important issue. not as high as health care when you talk to democrats, but you've reported on sanders making progress among latino voters. his standing in nevada has been pretty strong. is that what we're seeing here, trying to capitalize? he's very competitive in iowa, competitive in nevada, competitive in new hampshire. is that where this piece plays? >> we know that heading into 2020, trump is going to make immigration a big piece of his reelection as well, he did it in 2016, so democrats, whoever the nominee is, need to have a strong stance on that and need to totally lay out where they are at on that. and, of course, also sanders is including -- or is trying to make a big play for latinos. he knows that he lost them in key states like nevada from clinton, but he's trying to make

up there because that state is key to a potential pathway to the nomination. >> it's similar to medicare for all where you see candidates trying to win the votes of a more liberal democratic base with provisions that raise the questions, can you sell them in a general election if you're trying to -- maybe you have a different map, but if you're trying to retake michigan, retake nevada, limit i.c.e., but the headline of that seems to play into a trump ad. >> this hasn't been as prominent a dividing point as health care but it certainly should be. weav we've seen that in the debate if we need to decriminalize border crossings. castro has been one of the candidates voicing this action, but obama's former secretary jeh johnson has written, if you do

this, and many in the democratic party agree with him, this is essentially saying we ever open borders to the rest of the world. that is something that has clearly divided democrats in the field, abolishing i.c.e. is divisive. eliminating clp is not something the candidates have really talked about at this point, so as this debate gets heated up, it could be as divisive as medicare for all. >> and sanders, i think, has forgotten you had the rise of warren over the summer, which is a big story, buttigieg now rising in some places. that's dominated the discussion. this quinnipiac poll in iowa, warren, buttigieg, sanders, warren with 20% there. sanders competitive there and just launched a million-dollar

ad campaign. >> a health care system that makes enormous profits for drug and insurance companies. in this moment we need a fighter. bernie sanders. we know he'll fight for us as president because he always has. >> it's interesting, and we'll talk about other candidates another day as we're focusing on senator sanders at the moment here. we're inside 100 days now. when you see new plans, new spend, even the travel schedule, now everything they do tells you something about the strategy and matters a whole lot more than it did a month or two ago. >> the number you didn't give us from the poll, i don't know what it is, is the number of undecided democrats and pulling those undecided democrats onto the sidelines and lining them up before they go to the caucus, before they actually vote. one of the biggest dynamics is democrats saying, basically, put up whatever you want. i will vote for a cnn coffee cup. but i think they're going to pull these undecideds off the

fence before the caucus, get them committed early, get them to donate, get them in the habit of supporting one candidate. >> but don't forget, bernie sanders has got already well enough money to go all the way to the convention, and bernie sanders is a man whose political career has always been based on his fearlessness to speak out about his ideas and about his plans and doesn't care if he angers either party. he's a candidate in one party's nomination right now but that's never stopped him before and won't now and he's here as long as he wants to be. >> the calendar makes everything that happens more and more interesting by the day. next in the lightning round, bill gates has questions for elizabeth warren about -- guess what -- the wealth tax. ♪

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other stories of political news of note, one of america's richest men, bill gates, in a bit of a dust-up with elizabeth warren over her proposal for a wealth tax. saying this, if i had to pay $20 billion, that's fine. but when you say i should pay 100 billion, then i have to do a little math about what i have left over. elizabeth warren tweeting in response, i enjoy meeting people with different views. i would if we get the chance, i'd love

to explain exactly how much you'd pay under my wealth tax. i promise it's not $100 billion. it gets elizabeth warren and her wealth tax in the news. any other thoughts? >> warren's appearance with billionaires appears to help her. she doesn't run away from it. she retweets billionaires if it suits her. she goes after them. gates' initial contacts weren't accurate, it wouldn't have taken 100 billion of his billions, and he would have had 6 billion or so left over auif it even did te 100 billion. the president misses reality tv. an "apprentice" white house edition. really? >> we can't attach a level of how serious he is with these things. he muses about many things, he

muses about hurricanes, he muses about reality tv. >> i don't think i'm fired but i know i'm out of time. thank you for joining "inside politics" today. check out our podcast and twitter questions. brianna keilar starts right now. have a great afternoon. i'm dana bash live from cnn's washington headquarters. underway right now, we're standing by for the release of even more transcripts in the impeachment inquiry as we wait for closed door hearings. as we wait, closed door hearings are continuing, and right now, jennifer williams, one of mike pence's top aides, is being questioned by lawmakers specifically about what pence may have known about a quid pro quo. and williams was on that july 25th call between president trump and the president of ukraine. we also know she traveled with the vice president to warsaw, poland where