they haven't offered explanation why the president is coming, but they're excited he is coming. an official familiar with the team said it wasn't the team that extended the invitation. >> alabama, lsu, you'll be there as well. you'll be looking forward to it. erin burnett outfront starts now. outfront next. breaking news, the president's chief of staff directly linked to trump's ukraine quid pro quo, according to two white house officials that testified under oath. is there any way mick mulvaney wasn't acting on behalf of the president? and john bolton says he has information relative to the impeachment probe according to his attorney. so when will he testify? as the biden, warren battle gets uglier, warren is going after loyal biden voters. let's go "outfront." i am pamela brown, in for erin burnett this friday. tonight, the president's chief

of staff orchestrated the quid pro quo, according to two white house officials whose closed door depositions were released today. fiona hill, president trump's former adviser on russia and the top ukraine expert on the national security council both testified under oath in the impeachment inquiry, and both said it all came back to mick mulvaney. the president's right-hand man. a man you would be hard pressed to imagine was acting on his own. according to hill and vinman that testified separately behind closed doors, they were told mulvaney was directing quid pro quo in coordination with the ambassador of the eu, gordon sundland. gordon was asked how he came to believe this deliverable was necessary? >> this was coordinate with

chief of staff, mick mulvaney. what did he say? he said he had a conversation with mr. mulvaney, this is what was required in order to get a meeting. here's how hill rekounltd thcou. he talked about how he had an agreement with chief of staff mulvaney for a meeting. if ukraine wanted a meeting with the president, they needed to investigate biden. a quid pro quo that the ukranians were made aware of. according to testimony. and then there's another quid pro quo, relating to military aid to ukraine. according to vinman's testimony, that came from the chief of staff's office, and it came as a direction from the chief of staff's office.

mulvaney has admitted to the world there was, in fact, a quid pro quo. remember this? >> you have to be clear, what you described is a quid pro quo. it is funding will not flow unless the investigation into the democratic server happened as well. >> we do that all the time with foreign policy. i have news for everybody, get over it. there will be political influence in foreign policy. >> he later took that back as we know, but the testimony from hill and vinman indicates the initial statement was the truth. manu raju is outfront of capitol hill. you have new developments regarding another potential star witness in the impeachment inquiry, john bolton. >> reporter: that's right. john bolton is an individual that's been mentioned time and again by a number of witnesses, someone central to some of the discussions that were going on, raise serious objections by rudy giuliani and others to pursue investigations that could help

the president politically, pushing the ukraine government to do so. fiona hill testified that she quoted john bolton saying rudy giuliani is a hand grenade that's going to blow everything up. in a new letter sent by bolton's attorney to capitol hill, he reveals that john bolton has information on events, meetings, conversations about which you already received testimony, but about meetings and conversations that have not been discussed in the testimonies so far. and this was revealed in a court case in which democrats have essentially said they weren't going to fight to get john bolton to come and testify because his attorney said if he were subpoenaed, they would fight in court, about his client, a separate client that served under john bolton. democrats have no desire to go prolonged court fight, they're signaling they're not willing to go this route. john bolton's attorney says if he were to come would provide this information.

first they want a court to rule and decide whether or not he is required to come and testify. that creates a big complication here because democrats want to wrap up the impeachment probe in the coming weeks, potentially by end of the year to impeach this president. but if they were going to pursue john bolton that could have key evidence that could delay proceedings for months, at the moment democrats doesn't sound like want to go that route. >> the lawyer is dangling his client has this information but wants the court to decide. let's talk about it outfront. a member of the house oversight committee in the room for the deposition, democratic delegate. let's talk about the fact that according to john bolton's attorney, he has knowledge of, quote, many relevant meetings and conversations that have not yet been discussed in the

testimonies thus far. are you willing, are the democrats willing to put an impeachment vote on hold another few weeks to possibly get john bolton's testimony? >> i can say i think although we have not discussed this, it just came up, we all need him. if he wanted to come forward, he should have come forward earlier. look where we are. we have to get this done by the end of december. our cup runneth over. we heard from the staff, people in the room. i think you're dealing with an official who remember was fired by trump. and this could be part of what -- of his come uppance to trump, and then say they made me do it. >> you think you don't need him, you have everything you need? >> i'm going to say in the last, we heard the first reveals, once you hear from a lieutenant

colonel, decorated, and from his supervisor, and the lieutenant colonel was in on the phone call, you're almost there right there. >> what the white house and trump argue is you still don't have the direct link to the president. couldn't someone like a john bolton, former national security adviser, provide the direct link that the democrats might need to make the case stronger? >> what more direct link can you have than being on the phone call where you heard the president himself. i think we have a direct link to the president, i do think that bolton would be helpful, but is he going to give us anything more than his staff who have already come forward and have given us? we have to ask why is he anxious to come forward. if he is anxious to come forward, why would he say take me to court, let them decide. >> talked a lot about quid pro quo, investigations in exchange for military aid, but vinman and

hill talked about these investigations needing to happen for a meeting to happen with the president. vinman testified, my understanding is this was about getting a bilateral meeting, doesn't matter to you, excuse me, if this was about aid or meeting. that's my question to you. is quid pro quo all the same, whether it is about aid or the meeting? >> it is very important what you ask. up until now, we have been focused on money. of course they needed that most of all. why this emphasis on the meeting with the president. the president wants to look these people in the eye and get as much directly from them on joe biden. he wants, yes, the money, but the money he can't withhold but so long. we have already voted in a bipartisan way for the money to go forward. the icing on the cake is the

meeting. and there he can have a direct conversation. perhaps we can overhear that conversation as we have the phone call. and he could learn more about biden. >> do you see a situation where there's mulvaney acting without direction of the president? >> impossible. if so, he should have fired them all. these people have direct access to the president. mulvaney is chief of staff. you mean to tell me he never talks to the president? >> again, you say the democrats have all you need. white house sources i have spoken with tell me the white house doesn't think the public lick grasp the different threats and names. it is a tangled web with so many names and different meetings all over the place when you go through the transcript. do you think all of this is breaking through outside of the beltway, outside of the bubble?

>> actually, not now. i don't think they have been watching the reports, but wait until they testify. >> so you think the testimony will be -- >> it is everything. you're going to see who i saw. you're going to see lieutenant colonel vindman. >> he is not on the list so far. will he be? are there negotiations to happen publicly testify? >> i don't think he will be able to avoid it. when you see witnesses like that willing to testify directly to what they heard, most important witnesses will be the witnesses on the call, the witnesses closest to the evidence we need. seems to me that we have enough of them now that unless we want to be here this time next year talking about this, and november 2020, every member of the house has to run again, i think you've got to finish this up before christmas. >> thank you so much. >> my pleasure.

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breaking news. just released transcripts from the house impeachment inquiry revealing even more officials testifying under oath that they had great concerns about president trump's personal lawyer, rudy giuliani's work in ukraine. fiona hill, former russian advisor to president trump testifying, quote, i was extremely concerned that whatever it was mr. giuliani was doing might not be legal, especially after, you know, people had raised with me the two gentlemen, parnas and fruman. those are two giuliani associates arrested recently trying to flee the united states. a top ukraine expert on the national security council saying this about the july phone call where president trump urged ukraine's president to help giuliani dig up dirt on the bidens. frankly, up until that call, you

know, in certain regards, he was acting as a private citizen, advancing his own interests to a certain extent. it wasn't until that call that it became he was pulled into kind of an official role. let's discuss this. brett broward, assistant fbi director, cory cordero, also with us tonight, former nixon white house counsel john dean, former republican congressman charlie dent. it has been a busy news day going through the transcripts from two top white house officials. carrie, start with you, witness after witness testifying they have these concerns about giuliani. what do you make of this, of all of the officials testifying that they knew what giuliani was up to, they had concerns. >> they did. well, because there was an individual, rudy giuliani, who was not in government, who was doing things from their perspective as far as state department officials or white

house officials working on national security related to ukraine, that he was stepping into interfering with what they were trying to carry out at legitimate foreign policy. on one hand you have a person not in government at all that's interfering in national security interests, but then the second thing that it tells me is that there were a lot of people in the white house who knew what was going on, and it took the whistle-blower to actually report it through an official channel and start the fact -- >> you have hill testifying, a lot of people knew what was going on, but you're right, the whistle-blower went through the channels. what's interesting is the view of the officials of giuliani. they're trying to do official government work, then you have someone going rogue outside, doing their own thing. it kind of painted this picture of pure chaos when it came to ukraine policy, fiona hill testified that john bolton likened giuliani to a hand grenade, to a live hand grenade.

do you think that's proven to be true in this as you learn more and more as giuliani's role becomes more aparent? >> not surprisingly so. there was description by john bolton as to rudy's drug role. >> now you have the context around that. > it would be hard enough to have the national security and diplomatic bureaucracy dealing with some kind of rogue operation, if the rogue operation was parallel but legal. but in this case, it appears that perhaps it wasn't even a legal road operation. that not only complicates things for the government officials that are supposed to be pursuing national security and diplomatic relations but creates a whole potentially impeachable situation, and that's playing out. >> it is how it is playing out, john. this is part of the democrats' impeachment inquiry. i want to bring up what lieutenant colonel vindman testified to about acting chief

of staff mulvaney. do you understand how he came to believe that this deliverable was necessary, and vindman responded i heard him say this was coordinated with white house chief of staff, mr. mick mulvaney. question, what desay? he said he had a conversation with mr. mulvaney. this is what was required to get a meeting. how significant is it to you that he testified the president's acting chief of staff directed this quid pro quo essentially? >> certainly gets it closer to the president, whether they'll claim the president had no knowledge of this we don't know yet. fiona hill gave the same testimony which corroborates vindman, it is a pretty strong charge, certainly puts mulvaney in the loop, no question about that. and pamela, i would just point out that this whole thing is just one giant conspiracy to

extort or bribe, and it is very c conspicuous, no question, how deep the president is, that's what the house will establish. >> you think this is an impeachable offense, as we know, bribery, part of >> they have managed, in this instance, to come right within the definition of impeachable offenses. >> let me ask you this -- >> high crimes. >> but if no one has made that direct link to the president, then -- then how do you make that case that he should be impeached? >> well, you know, it's interesting. with nixon when he was impeached they stayed away from conspiracy charges. there is a reference in the minority report of all places that he conspired, but the majority, the democrats with nixon did not charge him with the conspiracy although that was very conspicuous in the evidence. so i don't think by precedent

they'll try to draw trump in through conspiratorial actions. they'll look for him being directly involved or they'll look for testimony, and where they're going to find that is in the document, the readout on the call on july 25th. >> the call that the president continues to say is perfect. really quick, and i'm going go to you, kerry. i know you have a thought. president trump has this to say about the democrats who were called to testify so far. >> they shouldn't be having public hearings. this is a hoax. this is just like the russian witch hunt. this is just a continuation of the hoax. it's a disgraceful thing. >> he says none of these witnesses have hurt him. do you see it that same way and do you think that -- how do you think his supporters see it? do you think they're seeing this as a continuation of, you know, this being the, quote, hoax. >> i think these witnesses,

taylor, vindman and fiona hill. they're quite credible. i think i heard the president say he's been the most transparent guy we've had in a long time. if he's so transparent what's so bad about having all of this testimony particularly from his staff, mull vain e giuliani and others and to something he said earlier to john dean, if you're the president of the united states, you -- it's assumed that you had knowledge of what your staff was doing. i was chairman of the house ethics committee and we used to have these situations all of the time. a member would blame the staff and we said there was imputed knowledge that the boss should have known what the staff was doing, and he just can't simply dump all of this on the staff and get away with it. we would sanction members regularly for the actions of their staff. >> what would it is a if the president didn't know about what his staff and other key officials were up to? >> thank you all for sharing your insight and analysis.

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and new tonight, president trump claiming he hardly knows gordon sondland, the u.s. ambassador to the eu who changed his testimony this week, suddenly remembering that there was a trump-ukraine quid pro quo. >> i hardly know the gentleman, but this is the man who said there was no quid pro quo, and he still says that. >> so sondland was hand picked by president trump to be ambassador and to lead his ukraine policy. sondland donated a million dollars to trump's inauguration and trump has had glowy things to say about him in the past, tweeting last month i would love to send ambassador sondland, a good man and good american to testify and unfortunately, he would be testifying before a totally compromised kangaroo court, and that's not all -- >> our ambassador to the european union, gordon sondland, thank you, gordon. where is he? great job. good. >> the text message that i saw from ambassador sondland who is

highly respected was there's no quid pro quo. he said that. he said, by the way, it almost sounded like in general. he said, by the way, there's no quid pro quo and there isn't. >> everyone, back with me now. kerry, i'm going to go to you first and i meant to go back to you before. is anybody going to buy this new defense that trump hardly knew sondeland and does it show a pattern to you about what the president does in situations where he feels like officials are saying unflattering things about him? >> i think we've seen this pattern with him before when someone is doing things that he likes and then he's very lauditory toward him and when they're not in his interest then all of a sudden there's a whole sea of distance between them. the difficulty with the president trying to do that, though, with the testimony of gordon sondland or any of these other witnesses is that all of these facts that come out from the witnesses don't change the

essential, original information that we have from the original july 25th summary of the phone call that the president himself was on with president zelensky, and that's the call where the president asks zelensky to do him a favor. he mentions investigations of the bidens. he mentions investigations into this conspiracy about whether ukraine was involved in the 2016 election and no matter how much distance he tries to put between him and witnesses, he's not going to be ablea to get away with the content of that phone call. >> what was so interesting about that, we were talking about this, greg, it was the white house that put out that transcript and without that actual transcript of the call, it would be a harder case to make that link, right? >> it could be, but welcome to the twilight zone here because we have the call which clearly puts the president in the middle of this this for that exchange with the ukrainian president and then we have the president's chief of staff do a press conference in which he concedes, yes, was there a quid pro quo

and he said every other witness before the committee basically say the same thing. they learned about the quid pro quo either from the call or from the other people, they were alarmed by it. so it's everybody against the president at this point, and you know, as a former prosecutor, i know kerry would agree with this and when you have a lineup of witnesses like that, one against many and it's typically the many telling the true version of what happened. >> a lot of this is politics, strategy from the white house, from gop allies from the trump, congressman dent. we're seeing them throw the people around trump involved with ukraine under the bus. they were arguing they each acted without trump's knowledge and some were acting this week. >> any time there was direct conversation with the president there was no linkage and any linkage that has been alleged, obviously is based on many times second or thirdhand information

with either rudy giuliani or people who understood what rudy giuliani was doing? these are all folks' opinions. >> he said that in his statement. he says it was his presumption. >> yeah. >> not based on a fact. it was his presumption. >> you served with those men, congressmen. what do you make of this apparent new strategy? is it effective? >> no. i mean, trying to throw all of these people under the bus is simply not going to fly. nobody's going to believe for a second that mick mulvaney or rudy giuliani was acting on their own without any consultation with the president. i think just like michael cohen paid off stormy daniel, didn't he? he just did that on his own, under the direction of the president. they may try to throw these guys under the bus and they'll do it in this order and they'll throw

sondland under the bus and mull vainy a vainy and giuliani in that order. the facts are simply not on the president's side. the noose is tightening. the quid pro quo has been established and all of these people who have spoken up did so out of concern for national security and also because of interference in our election and these are more distractions and they're not going to be effective. >> the president has repeatedly and publicly embraced giuliani and trying to dig up dirt on the bidens. >> we've been investigating on a personal basis through rudy's and others, lawyers, corruption in the 2016 election. >> rudy's looking to also find out where the phony witch hunt started, how it started and i think he's got a very strong right to do it. he's a good lawyer and knows exactly what he's doing and it's very important. >> i stand behind rudy giuliani. absolutely. >> rudy has said that he was

acting on his client's behalf in regards to ukraine. based on these xhernt based based on these comment, john, if they throw giuliani under the bus, doesn't that effectively throw the president under the bus, too? >> i think that would be very dangerous for the republicans to do it, and i would think trump would tell them to stay away from that strategy. rudy at some point, if he sees himself being discarded by the white house, and discarded by the republicans and on his way to the bureau of prisons for a long stay, he's somebody who can give up the president because there is a crime fraud exception in the attorney-client privilege that trump can't block his testimony if that happened. >> and crime fraud exception, kerry, is that there is an ongoing crime, right? that the lawyer is privy too and involved with and that doesn't make the lawyer immune. it remains to be seen if

giuliani remains to testify, and what is so interesting here is sources tell me that the president continues to talk to rudy, that as recently as late october. he was the one calling rudy up about once a day to talk to him despite all of these revelations coming out and this testimony about ukraine. he really seems undeterred by it. what do you make of that? >> he is. he's a close advisor. he's been a close adviser of the president for a long time and the president has trusted him, and so i think he's been a central adviser. i think rudy giuliani has a difficult claim of attorney-client privilege to begin with because the things that he's doing if he's running around ukraine and trying to dig up political information for the president's political interest, that's not giving legal advice. the attorney-client privilege has to do with a lawyer providing legal advice to a client. >> this might be a silly question, and what might do something for an attorney-client privilege. >> there has to be an attorney-client relationship and

the communications in question have to be for the purpose of giving or receiving legal advice and there cannot be an exception like the crime fraud exception that applies so that's basically it. i think it's clear that rudy knows everything about this ukrainian deal and to the extent the president continues to talk to him, i think the common sense explanation is he wants to keep rudy close so as to try to control rudy and what he says publicly. >> i wouldn't be surprised if he would do that with with mick mu mulvaney. thank you all. michael bloomberg takes a closer step tonight to running for president. does he have a chance in a new book claims white house officials resigning en masse. what stopped them? we'll discuss that next.

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personally? >> no, no, no, no, no. >> out front now, matt paul, democratic strategist who met with bloomberg about a potential 2020 run and senior vice president for cornerstone public affairs and also with us joan walsh, national affairs correspondent for the nation. thank you both for coming on. matt, to you first. does bloomberg really think he has a chance at beating president trump? >> i don't think he would have done this, pam, if he didn't believe he had a shot. when we talked in 2018 and it's been a while since he chatted and he said, look, i'm going to consider this if i believe i can win. so clearly, something has happened -- >> why do you think he does? >> look, why do you think he's taking a look at this? he cares about the country. he's interested. it's no surprise to anybody that he's long expressed an interest of running and being president of the united states. i don't think there's any question about that, but this is hard for him. we are 87 days away from iowa and 97% of iowa precinct

locations are locked in and campaigns have been on the ground there for over a year working hard to organize it, so i think this is a challenge, but listen, i don't think anybody should underestimate mike or the team that he will put around him. >> let's look at this recent new york times poll of head-to-head matchups. biden was barely beating trump and other candidates that trailed him. does bloomberg have a point that the current field isn't strong enough? >> i think a lot of people and centrist democrats are very concerned about joe biden. i heard the vice president say in that clip i'm want taking this personally. he should take it very personally, it's personal. this is coming out of a real perception that he's a weak front-runner, but on the other hand, you know, first of all, this lane. the centrist lane is so crowded already. ink the person that this helps the most frankly is elizabeth warren and the person that he's out to stop along with bernie sanders is elizabeth warren and

i think this really elevates her and wounds biden. >> it's interesting because i was talking to a source close to the trump campaign who said this could be good for trump because the democrats will be focusing their fire more on bloomberg rather than on trump. it could take some pressure off. do you buy that, joan? >> no, i don't buy that. they have plenty of fire for trump and i think a lot of them will just ignore bloomberg. pam, you could have a debate here between michael bloomberg and michael bloomberg because we have so much tape of him explaining very candidly, and clearly, in my opinion why he can't win and why there's no path and i agree with matt, he's a smart man and i can't believe he's going to waste his money. >> yeah. let's talk about what this path could be. he plans to skip the first early contest, iowa, nevada, new hampshire, and north carolina. no one has done this successfully. can he win without those states?

>> well, it's not been done before. i do think it's important to point out there's been a lot of talk about mike and he is successful and he's a self-made guy and i think it's important to remember he's also been very involved and done his politics, i think, wisely. he's been a strong supporter of climate and bringing the climate change and the feed for approximately see there and he's done more on supporting choice and women's health care. he's done a ton on gun safety and the need for common sense gun reform in the country. so he does have strong -- more than his money and one thing he's going to have to figure out is how does he thread this needle and move forward especially if it's mayor pete. i think this is an important consideration. i think there's a big impact on vice president biden's money which is a challenge for the campaign. i think it's also this path, if

it's not elizabeth warren as our nominee or coming out of iowa, which the two are closely related then this path is tougher, and i think it's tough if it's mayor pete because he's built such a coalition quickly and personally in this election. >> and you talked about, matt, some things that could work in bloomberg's favor in terms of his record and there are other parts that will, no doubt, and are already coming under scrutiny such as stop and frisk and how that could impact voters and one source close to the trump campaign, when it comes to trump versus bloomberg, the president has been battle tested over the last several years and michael bloomberg has aren't in the same way and the question is can he take a punch and the president today was asked about all of this. he seems to relish a fight with bloomberg. here's what he said. >> little michael will fail. he'll spend a lot of money.

he's got some really big issues. he's got some personal problems and he's got a lot of other problems. there is nobody i'd rather run against than little michael. that i can tell you. >> what do you think of that, joan? what do you think of that potential matchup? >> i think michael has a lot more money than donald trump. he's a truly successful businessman so he could think about that. >> mayor pete is very impressive right now, but he has not pulled together a solid coalition. he doesn't have black voters in his coalition and right now i have to stay michael bloomberg as you just talked about, pam, with a real, i think, in the hole with a lot of black voters because he continued to defend stop and frisk even after it was found unconstitutional. you have black voters who will be a testify sell. i don't see him being mr. rustbelt guy and he will go back in and take wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania. i'm not feeling that, either. so i again, the last person who

tried this was his predecessor, rudy giuliani. he was going go into florida in 2008 and we know we never saw a president giuliani. >> we shall see how this all plays out. thank you very much, matt and joan. much appreciated. >> up front out next. how far were senior trump officials willing to go to stop the president's mass resignations were reportedly on the table. so why did they end up staying? >> and elizabeth warren is wanting to win powerful latino votes with a pitch that may pay off. >> i am open to suspending deportations. ♪ (dramatic orchestra) performance comes in lots of flavors. there's the amped-up, over-tuned, feeding-frenzy-of sheet-metal-kind. and then there's performance that just leaves you feeling better as a result.

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conduct but decided against it. they feared it would destabilize the government. it's one of the many revelations from the person who wrote the op-ed last year titled i am part of the rezblins in the administration. the new york times nonfiction book critic who reviewed stho. thanks for coming on. they claimed that there was this plan to have a bunch of officials quit at once. what more can you tell us? >> the author doesn't say very much other than to say that it was something that was considered at some point during the first two years of the trump presidency. and then the idea wads abandoned. and so, you know, that is one of the big revelations of this book. but it's a revelation about a road that actually wasn't taken. >> yeah, and so that raises this question of, what evidence this author has to back up these

damning accounts, painting this picture of an incompetent president, someone who is dangerous and disturbing, who shouldn't be trusted running the government, in one case he describes what it's like dealing with the president's tweet like showing up at the nursing home finding your uncle running pantless as worried attendants try to catch him only your uncle doesn't have to lead the u.s. government once he puts his pants on. that is a vichbd analogy been but what details does he use to back that up? >> this is one of the questions about this book. because anonymous is committed at least for now to remaining anonymous and not revealing his or her identity, he or she says right at the beginning that there's not going to be too many specific details or too many

even details that would necessarily give away who this person is. so ultimately, you know, it's like an anonymously source the book where you just have to trust what the person is saying and trust that it's true. i mean, there is indication that this is a senior-level official. there are sort of things that are mentioned that other people have said to this person, so this person seems to be trusted by other people on staff. but, you know, at the same time, we just have to take this person's word for it, which is this is sort of the naughty problem of this book i think. >> quickly the white house responded calling this person a coward for remaining ammon mouse. how do you think this person will be remembered? >> i think we'll have to see. i would not be surprised if the identity is revealed at some point. the person who did write this book also does say that he or she may choose to reveal his identity in case it would help

further the cause of the argument of this book. so i guess we'll see. >> we'll see. they say they don't want to reveal their identity now because they don't want to become the centerpiece of the conversation. they want it to be about the revelations in the book. thank you. thank you. latino voters could propel a democrat into the white house. is elizabeth warren that candidate? i'm embarrassed to even say i felt like i was going to spend my whole adult life paying this off thanks to sofi, i can see the light at the end of the tunnel as of 12pm today, i am debt free ♪ we have no debt, we don't owe anybody anything, and it's fantastic ♪

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tonight elizabeth warren making a big pitch to latino voters, warren saying she would consider suspending all deportations as a bargaining chip for immigration reform. leyla santiago is out front. >> her cry comes with her story,

her husband still detained by i.c.e. she asked senator elizabeth warren. >> will you pass a moratorium on deportations? >> i am open to suspending deportations, particularly as a way to push congress for come he prehencive immigration reform. >> that's new for warren not included in her immigration reform plan. we asked? >> you're learning toward a more tierium on deportations given yesterday senator sanders' plan doesn't include that? >> the way i would scridescribe is i should not be spending the resources deporting those who pose no threat to us. >> is that a yes? >> don't spend your resources on our neighbors and friends. >> three daughters sat in the front row eligible to vote.

>> i'm looking for a candidate that will not only show their support for immigrants like me who have college degrees, who are fluent in english, who have upward mobility. i'm looking for a candidate who will support my parents. >> bar rau is part of a fast growing piece of the potential elect raft. hispanics are going to make up to 13% of the voters possibly exceeding the share of black voters for the first time. she says focusing on immigration is not enough to win her vote. >> health care is up there. but now, we see latinos actually really worried about discrimination against latinos and immigrants. >> this is an expert on latino and government studies. he argues they'll be critical in states like california, arizona, texas in 2020 but they shouldn't

be courted the same way by candidates. >> are you doing any different for the latino voters themselves? >> i think showing up is critical. and i also think talking about what would touch their lives is critical. and part of that is about immigration, but it's also about education. >> as 2020 candidates figure out the best way to reach the latino community, plans, town halls, tweets, they insist candidates must understand the diversity within the latino community. >> i spent a lot of time talking to latino voters today here in rally, north carolina and i had voters tell me they felt the democratic party at times took their vote for granted and acknowledged their past relationship with the last democratic president, really celebrating president obama for what he did for dreamers, but also saying they haven't forgotten that he was known as the deporter in chief.

>> all right. leyla, thank you so much for bringing us the latest there from north carolina. and coming up on mon, err ip hosts a town hall with joe bidenen. thanks for joining us. "ac-360" starts now. good evening, john berman here in for anderson. mick mulvaney in the middle, and that might be a very uncomfortable place to be. the job of the white house chief of staff is to implement the president's policy. new testimony released today says it was mick mulvaney implaemt plementing the policy. newly release the transcripts from two top aids in the white house now tie mick mulvaney to a direct role in what has been called a quid pro quo, others call the shakedown, some call the bribely at the heart