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come before congress as a material witness because he worked for joy biden at the same time hunter biden was getting corrupt money from oligarchs. i say to the media, do your job and print his name. >> yet he has admitted on fox news he has declined to out the whistle-blower. >> i don't see where you get on the senate floor and you're protected and speak of the name if you're convinced it is. >> i can and i may and i can do it right now if i want to. there's no law that stops me from doing that. other than that, i don't want to make it about the one individual. >> this has become a common talking point for the president who said this on friday. >> the whistle-blower is a disgrace to our country, a disgrace, and the whistle-blower because of that should be revealed. >> so yesterday i sad down with senator paul in chicago.

why does the name of the whistle-blower matter? >> as you know, i've been a big defender of whistle-blowers. edward snowden is probably the most famous whistle-blower of all time and i'm a great defender of his. i think we should protect whistle-blowers, but i do think there's a competing right that others have that when you're accused of a crime, you should be able to confront your accuser. that's part of the sixth amendment and the president should get that as well. >> in this instance it's almost sur p super per few lus. >> most of them say there wasn't a problem with it at all, and so it's an opinion. really it's not that there's a secret and the president did something. everyone knew about it and most had a public policy opinion that it wasn't a problem. so when you have a disgrail on

policy, is that really whistle-blowering? either way, if it's this person's opinion that he thought it was illegal and he was blowing the whistle on something illegal, that's his opinion and we need him to come forward. otherwise we're going to hear other opinions. >> if you're outing the whistle-blower, who will be the next whistle-blower? what about the chilling effect of this? >> i think the whistle-blower acts were to protect you from being fired. we should change the statute. i've offered a bill to expand the whistle-blower statute to be retro akive to include all contractors for government. edward snowden said he would come forward, but he's not protected by the whistle-blower statute. i don't think it was ever intended to say, oh, if this goes to court and we're going to put somebody in jail on your word, you wouldn't have to testify. most people would acknowledge

that. in most court proceedings, the sixth amendment protects you and does mean you'll have to come forward to challenge your accuser. >> that which we learned from the whistle-blower and the complaint seemed to then have been backed up by the trapt, backed up by vindman, backed up by taylor, backed up by mick mulvaney, senator johnson. it seems like there's a lot of corroboration out there for it. >> i don't think anybody disputes that the president wanted to influence the investigation of joe biden and hunter biden, but at the same time, joe biden wanted to do the same thing. he wanted to influence an investigation concerning his son, so he went to ukraine and he's bragged about this. i told him i'm cutting off a billion dollar in your aid if you don't fire one particular prosecutor. that sounds sort of a little bit like the same thing. we're going after one particular person in another country? why tell one person you have to fire one person? there's a debate, but there are people on our side who do believe the prosecutor was investigating a ukrainian oligarch who was paying hunter

biden $150,000 a month. they are similar. you can't say joe biden gets a pass but we're going to impeach the president over this. it's a difference of opinion. it's the stuff that's decided in an election. but if you're going to criminalize the president, it's going to become the new normal like latin america where every time somebody does something, that -- they're going put him in jail. i thinkite's policy decision. i think some people believe that you can condition aid on whether or not there's corruption. in fact, the law for foreign aid says that you cannot give foreign aid to a country if you believe them to be corrupt, and i think the pretty honeor presi believes there's conflict between joe bidend and hunter biden making $150,000 a month. i think you can look at this as the president just following the law. >> if this were to turn into a

censure move, not an impeachment move, you'd be willing to censure the president for his comment here? >> no. i think it ooh's public policy, difference of opinion. were i to have done it that way? i would say, hell, no, you don't get any money because we don't have any. we borrowed money from china to give money to ukraine. i think we should stay out of other countries' affairs. i think they're the same. i think everybody's trying to influence ukrainian aid for whatever they want. look. menendez said if you don't investigate donald trump and the mueller investigation, we'll cut your aid. so everybody seems to be threat penning the aid. >> why is it not a case of extortion? >> like i say, everybody seems

to be threatening their aid. president trump was told told. he didn't giving them blankets. hoe chose not to give aid even though congress told him to. he withheld aid. i think presidents from times past have tried to influence and give aid and they don't always give it the way congress tell themselves and there's a dispute between the branches. but that's a public policy dispute. if we're going to impeach presidents over everything that's a public policidy putte, we're going to criminalize the president and be in this all the time. >> final question, why doesn't the president just own it and stop saying no quid pro quo and instead, senator, say there was a quid pro quo, it was all about corruption and i didn't want to have them get the money? >> right. if you're my bark barber and yo my hair for 20 bucks, that's quid pro quo. we've gotten tied up in sml something. it's only corrupt if you bribe

somebody. i think you could make a valid case that what he was asking for was studying corruption. hunter biden making $150,000 a month -- >> that's not inherently corrupt. >> if you ask most americans, does this pass the smell test? this is a young man, you don't get 35-year-old people all of a sudden running big major corporations. this is really, really unusual. there were people at the time telling joe biden there could be a con fredericton of interest. in fact t whistle-blower, we need to know what he was thinking about because he was working at the desk at the time hunter biden was over there. >> thank you. what are your thoughts. tweet me. i will read some of the comments throughout the course of the program. what do we have, katherine. outing the whistle-blower like arresting the person who pressed the fire alarm who let the fire department know the house is on fire. carole de, i think ouat the outt

the corroboration that's been offered by six, maybe seven different sources, so therefore, and i gave senator paul ample opportunity to present his side of it, it's a diversion at this stage. it's ambassador taylor who will lay this whole thing out. i don't even know if we're going to hear from the whistle-blower, but they want to focus on the whistle-blower because they must think they can did caret it that village. one more if we've got time. i think from facebook. hard to look at rand paul after listening to him at the rally. so disappointing. patti, here's what i take away from it. i don't think the facts -- you've heard me say this for weeks here, and my radio audience hearings it every sing i day on serioirius xm. the question is what will be

done about it. >> does it rise to the level of impeachment standard? is this going to be an entirely partisan vote? and i think it will probably be in the latter category. this will be a vote entirely along the lines of what the facts show, and that's disappointing. coming up, i think michael bloomberg should run as an independent. instead he seems to be joining the already cluttered democratic field. judge judy endorsed him last night on "bill maher." >> he's the only answer. >> the savior has risen. >> he's the only answer. mostly cloudy michael bloomberg is the only one running who has over a decade of executive experience running the largest city in the united states. >> who cares. this is not what people care about. >> i want to know what you think. go to my website right now. it's smerconish.com. the survey question. are you open to a michael

bloomberg candidacy. i'm not asking if you'll vote for him. are you open to don september of michael bloomberg running. >> also, have college campuses created so many safe spaces there's no space for free thinking? i'll talk to co-star and comedianed a podcast host will be here. and what's the connection between stoned a the godfather? there's a clue. it's instructioned him to behave like the godfather ii. >> did you serve under the man also known as the godfather? >> i never knew no godfather. 1 . it's a sit-up, banana! bend at the waist! i'm tryin'!

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field. joraning me now is greg orman, he ran in kansas as an independent for u.s. senate and governor. make the case, greg, that he should have run as an "i" and not as a "d"? >> i think there's a wide lane for running as an independent. he's going to want to make it a race betwe referendum on two. you can make it on both as to how they'll derig the system, use common sense to solve the problems and make the american dream again for every american willing to work to achieve it. >> look at the data. katherine, can we put on the screen what i was referring to? when you ask americans how they self-identify, it's 43% who say as an independent, 29% as a democrat, 26% as a republican. you look at that and superficially you say, wow,

there's 43% of the vote out there for a bloomberg-type candidate if he ran as an "i," all you'll do is infuse the democratic vote and guarantee trump's re-election. what's your answer to that? >> i think it's a more interesting number out there. 57%, 54% of republicans and 53% of the democrats tell mewe need an independent party that. tells me americans aren't happy with the two-party choice they've been given. we've done the research on this and looked at numbers, and a credible independent would start the race as a democratic nominee with somewhere between 15% and 20% of the vote that. gets them into the presidential debates where 76% americans on

average waech each of these three debates and gives them a real opportunity to present a vision for america that i think would ultimately persuade voters. the other interesting fact is if you tell them a little bit about an independent candidate, in some instances, the right profiles, the support skyrockets including dropping president trump below 30%. so i think there is a pathway to win, and i don't think an independent would ultimately lead to guaranteed trump re-election. in fact, quite to the contrary, depending on a matchup, i think an independent could win this race. >> one of the things i like about michael bloomberg is he's data-driven and not an ideologue. he's a critical thinker. he uses evidentiary analysis, so when he issued a statement in january, i took note. we'll pull it up on the screen. he said the data was very clear and very consistent given the

strong pull of partisanship and the realities of the electioral college system, there is no way an independent can win. i've got to believe he used the best whether there's a lane as an "i." you're saying there is. i hone that there is. >> well, michael bloomberg is a smart guy and if he enters the democratic nomination, he'll only do it if he believes he's got a path to winning that nomination. you have to remember polls are a snapshot in time. in similar polls we hear 30%, 40% of americans say they wouldn't consider an independent candidate because they don't think they have a chance of winning. if someone ran a credible independent campaign, that would force those 30%, 40% of voters to rethink their position and

ultimately, i think, many of them would come around to supporting an independent candidate. the think you have to remember is people's relationship to parties is highly negative. we don't like our party, we just hate the other party, and i think an independent can create the opportunity to transcend that. >> here's hoping you're right. i will give up my salt shaker and sugary drink in return for mr. bloomberg's competence. thanks for being with us, greg. what have we got? smerconi smerconish, bloomberg as an independent is literally handing trump a victory. if you look at the comparisoning, seemingly there's a path out there, but i get your argument. i heard it from radio listeners yesterday and the day before. if trump gets the same 46% and

the rest of the vote is plitt. but greg orman makes a really interesting point. part of this is a perception issue. yeah, i'd love to vote for an independent as long as they can win. when you have his bankroll and he's prepared to spend it, that changes the question. this is my survey question. go to smerconish.com. i simply want to know, are you open to this idea? are you taupe to a bloomberg candidacy? results at the end of the hour. still to come, president trump's adviser roger stone on trial this week. an unusual move. his jury was forbidden from watching the "godfather" films. he texted him to start practicing your pentangeli. here's part of the scene from

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well, you'll remember that stone was charged with lying congress, obstructing justice, and witness tampering all in his role in seeking dirt on hillary clinton in the race through wikileaks and julian assange. he's not only told prosecutors they can't show screens from "godfather ii" but instructed jurors not to go home and watch it either. here's what it's about. stone is alleged to have texted his associate credit ico before he was to testify about credico, telling him to start practicing your pan gently. mobster frank pan gently entered the courtroom. they brought the brother all the way from italy to sit with him, an unspoeng threat. here's how pan gently spoke.

>> did you hear on the capital regime, vito corleone as known as the godfather sfloo i never knew know godfather. >> here now under oath were you at any time a member of a crime organization headed by michael corleone? >> i don't know nothing about that. oh. i was in the olive oil business with his father, but that was a long time ago. that's all. >> the prosecution contends the communication meant that stone was telling credico to lie. he's saying it was just about impersonations and stone was asking him to do an impersonation. credico said while he didn't know the genesis of stone's

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sorry! he's a baby! adam core row lay is the comedian, show host and comedian of a podcast that's the most downloaded in the world. now he's teaming up in a new movie "no safe spaces" that addresses threats to the first amendment. what concerns him is best evidence on college campuses and

corolla worries that the controversial speech seen there might soon me as the ta size to the tech sector and beyond. among those affected by change, comedians. >> what do you mean gay? what are you talking gay? what are you doing? what do you mean, you know? and i thought, are you kidding me? i mean we can't even -- i could imagine a time -- and this is a serious thing. ky imagine a time when people would say that's offensive to suggest that a gay person moves their hands in a flourishing motion and you now need to apologize. mine there's a creepy p.c. thing out there that really bothers me. >> that's a clip from the new movie, and adam carolla joins me now. in the film which i watch and enjoyed, you argued college campuses were once a thing for ideas and now they're a place for some ideas. when did it all change and why?

>> i've been thinking about this a lot and i think it may be the self-esteem movement. i didn't grow up with enough self-esteem to think i could inject myself into a conversation where somebody else couldn't speak. i think we all grew up in a different era. i mean think about the narcissim and self-esteem it takes to say i'm a guest on this campus. ben shapiro or whoever wants to come speak on this campus, it's going offend me, so they may not speak thon campus. think about how good your self-esteem has to be for that. >> does the situation that you describe in the movie only apply to elite liberal art colleges? >> well, i think the trends start there like i'm in california and you're in new york. a lot of -- are you in new york?

philly, philly. oh, philly. sorry. all right, scratch that. new york and california set a fashion trend and then it just bleeds out into the rest of the country and i think the elite college has set a traend then it just bleeds out into iowa state. >> is it a two-way street? are only the conservative speakers now welcomed with in s inhoss pitability or liberals as well? >> it seems to be the only pushback is against the conservative speakers. that's the only ones you seem to hear about. i don't know. i haven't followed every case. i'm sure there are some cases where there's pushback. it seems to me the conservatives are a little more live and let live and the left not liberals, the left. it's a distinction that's made in the movie.

it sort of has it sort of it's my way or the highway. >> here's a montage on how the united states has been this heretofore beacon in the world, but let's take a look at what's been going on around the globe. >> free speech has been unique to the united states. lots of countries pretend to have it but they'll cut your head off in saudi arabia. they'll throw you in prison if you make fun of the king. in china you go to jail if you say anything nice about gay people. in germany you can't praise nazis. sounds good, right? maybe not. it doesn't stop people from promoting naziism in secret. you can't praise them in public. the uk convicted a comic of a hate crime for teaching a pug to do a nazi salute. just over the border in canada, a christian preacher was

arrested for -- wait for it -- preaching in public. pretty much everywhere else cops can come to your house and arrest you for a rant or complaint or for even making a joenlt. the only reason they can't do it here is because we have the first amendment. >> adam, make the case. what worries you most is that that could soon be the united states if what's taking place on college campuses continues to me as the tell size. >> i don't want to be chicken little. i'm not worried on a daily basis. you go to college to learn, and the way you learn is you get information from this side and that side and then some from the middle and you form an opinion, and if you're not going to let people with alternative views come onto the campus and share them with people, then you're really not going to get an education. i mean after all, you're there to be educated.

you're not roofers or welders. they're there to be educated. don't you want a diversity of opinion? >> you say what's necessary and you said this on capitol hill, is gravity. what do you mean by that? gravity for these students? >> well, i use the on capitol hill the analogy that when astronauts go to the space station for a prolonged period of time, they worry a lot about them losing muscle mass and bone density, and the body begins to atrophy in a zero gravity environment. but i think your mind atrophies in a zero gravity environmental. if you're going to croat a space on college campuses where there's no other opinions, that's a zero gravity environment and your brain starts to atrophy. your brain needs the workout like the astronauts need the workout of debating and solving things and pushing back or

having alternative view points put before you. so i think what you're seeing when you see a lot of 19-year-olds acting like 9-year-olds, that's atrophy of the brain growing up in a zero gravity environment. >> the movie is called "no safe spaces." thanks for being here, adam. i appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. checking in on social media from facebook and twitter, what do we have? this comes from twitter. smerconish, free speech is modem alt-right code for heat speech and encouraging the destruction of sircht socieew sig civil soc. i disagree. people should exchange ideas. i share the concern. if free speech is not permitted on college campuses it will grow to the tech sectors and so much of what is fed will be offered

by tech firms and it will be a threat to the first amendment. that's my view. by the way, i weekended yours. i want to remind you to make sure you answer the question. are you open to a michael bloomberg candidacy? i would be so interesting to see your result at the top of the hour. still to come, more than 350 tv stations nationwide revived the old playing of the broadcast ""national anthem."" is airing the song itself a partisan act? ♪

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♪ o say can you see by the dawn's early light ♪ >> do you remember that? if you stayed up late enough back in the day, the "national anthem" would play. that ritual ended by the reruns

and infomercials making sign-off obsolete. now 350 are playing "the star-spangled banner." they claim it creates unity. but it can also create a dividing line. given the controversy regarding kneeling and president trump's reaction to the protests, it begs the question is playing the anthem itself now partisan? with me is musimusicology assoc professor at university of michigan mark clegg. some are saying, wait a minute, you can't even play the "national anthem" without creating controversy? wherein lies the controversy? >> one thing about the "national anthem," we don't even think about it. been sort of the comfortable fabric of all of our lives. we do it at football games, graduations. it becomes a neutral background. anything that starts to pop out makes us start to wonder what's going on.

>> do you think it's a provocative act where we haven't had the sign-off? by the way, the stations aren't signing off. they're playing it at a certain time each day, say, 4:00 a.m. >> one thing is music is always political and sharing that, making it audible. so there is an aspect of music that's political at least in my mind as a musicologist, at least in my mind. it helps us live. at this time in moment when one seems to be on the red team or the blue team, anything that bring this tradition back, this echo of make america great again, right, we're going back to the 1950s and post world war ii era when sign-offs were typical, i think this one is interesting because they've chosen a 9-year-old girl to sing the anthem. she has an absolutely fantastic voice. it's a beautiful rendition and there's a lot of freedom to it.

>> absolutely. >> but it's sort of prepolitical, if you will. it's an attempt to show something before partisanship by using an innocent girl and using the images of children in the film. to me that's sort of speaking at an attempt to go beyond or pre before partisanship. >> well, i think relative to red states and blue states, you look at a trump rally -- i'll just say it -- on television, and the flag is constantly a presence. democratic rallies by comparison, some of the candidates, it doesn't seem to be as prominent. and i think to the extent there's any controversy here, when people now see more flag references, they associate it with the president and red states and therefore some of them say, oh, maybe we shouldn't be playing that now. >> i think you're right. there's definitely a difference in how symbols are used. on the one hand the function is to create community.

we have a huge nation, 350 million people. it used to be we knew all of our neighbors and the community was the people who went to our churches and the people we shook hands with. now we have a national presence nchl the 21st century, the international politics of all the groups, and anthems become the sort of sonic symbol and flags are the symbol of who we are together, and if we don't have those symbols, don't have something that sort of shows us that the nation, the whole, has a role that's beyond the individual, there's a counter point between the two, we really fail as a nation. you can't have a transfer of power, you can't have traditions unless it's ascribed as an tied beyond themselves. it's about being together. that's where the anthem comes in. someone like kaepernick when he neils, it can be to some a reverence, but because it's a call to him that, hey, there's

something else going on here, this is note a quiet unity, that's why it sparked unity. >> i think we learned from jimi hendrix, and i got this from you, the song can be boast a protest and patriotic. i'm referring to woodstock. >> absolutely. i think hendrix's is just a beautiful version of "the star-spangled banner" because it brings all the complexity of what it means to be an american. in my research, one of the things i want to do is to show the country's history as complex. ice filled with cacophony, filled with dissidence. it's actually changed a lot over time. so someone like hendrix gives a patriotic statement. he plays all the notes in all the right place, but he has these bomb-bursting fire fights that are at the controversy in the middle which during the conflict in 1969 was political. but you remember he was a member of the 101st airborne, he had

friends in vietnam, and so that shifts it. you see being patriotic doesn't mean you don't criticize the country. for me, francis scott key's act of writing this lyric to a tune that was well known, there's a whole tradition called the broadsi broadside ballad where people commented on current events by writing lyrics to well-known songs. so one of these songs, these melodies was the song which came from london, just like a lot of the things in american culture, since we immigrated from there. and you would comment on political life. so one of the surprising things is that i found over 200 sets of lyrics written to the tune we know as "the star-spangled banner." there were campaign songs for abe lincoln, thomas jefferson, women's suffrage song for the vote, anti-slavery songs, songs about peace after the civil war, bringing people together, a lot

of fourth of july songs, but this was an opportunity for political conversation. it wasn't about one idea of beating another, it was about amplifying ideas. the cool thing about making it a song is not only do you have to literally breathe life into the ritual, but it has a motion and that's really what these things did that, say, an op-ed in a newspaper doesn't do today. by having a song you hear the passions. >> professor, that was excellent. that was excellent. by the way, your book is "star-spangled song book." thank you, sir. >> thank you very much. still to come, your best and worst tweets and facebook comments. the result of the survey question today. are you open to a michael bloomberg candidacy? ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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good morning to you, welcome to the weekend. it is saturday, november 9th. we're glad to have you here, i'm christi paul. >> and i am martin savidge. welcome. >> we want to get you live pictures from tuscaloosa, alabama, where alabama and lsu are meeting this afternoon. >> on top of the hype of the big game, president trump will be in the stands. for now the president is still in washington where college football has taken a back seat for the impeachment inquiry. >> the tomorrow of two top white house officials placed acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney directly at the center of the ukraine scandal now. >> that's as the attorney for john