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the president. we are glad you are with us, i am poppy harlow. >> i am jim sciutto. veterans diplomat detailing what they knew. meeting with the u.s. president as well. >> the biggest bomb shell came right at the beginning from the top u.s. diplomat in ukraine testified but sprooied of an un call by president trump. that investigation into joe biden was never initiated by ukraine despite the president's demand. whatever we learn is just the beginning. we have a look at today's most extraordinary. >> the impeachment inquiry into donald j. trump, the 45th

president of the united states. >> reporter: the hearing was dropped early by the top u.s. diplomat in ukraine, bill taylor. >> i heard president trump askias asking sondland about the investigation. sondland told president trump ukrainians were ready to move forward. following the call, members of my staff asked what president trump thought about ukraine. mr. sondland responded that president trump cares more of the investigation of biden with rudy giuliani. >> the disclosure ties president trump directly to alleged pressure campaign against the ukrainians. taylor also recounted trump was primarily concerned of the political aspect and money had been frozen. and not only a white house meeting but military aid was

contempted on ukraine. >> everything was dependant on such announcement. he says president trump want president zelensky in a public box by ordering such a request. >> reporter: the u.n. may still not come through with the fund. >> my nightmare is the ukrainian give the interview and don't get the assistance. >> the russians loved it. >> reporter: as it continues, taylor raised concerns in early september. ambassador sondland tried to explain to me that president trump is a businessman. businessman is about to sign a check, someone owes him something, the businessman asks that person to pay up before signing the up. ukrainians did not owe president

trump anything. ho >> reporter: the hearing featuring taylor and george kent was led by questions by lawmakers but also by democratic majority and republican minority. >> now there is one witness that they won't bring in front of us. that's the guy who started it all. the whistleblower. . >> democrats withholding aid from ukraine and the role that rudy giuliani played as a shadow diplomat. >> i did not find this particular engagement normal. >> reporter: the gop focused on the president's conduct and more on the conduct of former vice president justine soe biden and

and burisma. >> you know hunter biden, at some point you started your deposition and expressed concerns, is that correct? >> kent testified he was concerned of a conflict of interest but he never saw any evidence of wrong doing. kent rejected the gop theory that joe biden had an agent ousted to protect him and his son. gop lawmakers passed the witnesses as unreliable narrater with secondhand information. >> never did. >> you never met the president.

>> that's correct. >> two of them they never heard about as far as i know. >> president zelensky never made an announcement. this is what i can't believe and you are their star witness. >> let me just say that i don't consider myself a star witness for anything. >> you do. >> i don't. i am responding to your question senator. i think i was clear about i am not here to take one side or the other or advocate any outcome. >> another player has emerged is taylor over heard that phone call between donald trump and ambassador sondland. he's expected to testify on friday. back to you. sarah murray, thank you for all of that. democrats took a different approach with their format for questioning these officials

today. utilizing a congressional attorney more or less effective. let's go to our phil mattingly on the hill. good evening, what are lawmakers telling you? >> reporter: we talked to democrats and republicans after the hearing. both claimed massive victory. here is the bomb line. cutting through the spin and what they're trying to say. when you talk to democrats, democratic aide, they went into the series to lay the ground work and set the stage for what to come and doing so with two witnesses and two diplomats who had an on the ground view of what the trump administration is doing and to some degree how it is spun out of control and being led by the people outside the government. they believe they accomplished just that. in those closed door depositions over the course of the weeks. they wanted to lean in what's to come next. republicans made it clear. these two witnesses did not have

direct line to the president, did not know the president personally. have not gotten personal directive from the president. here is something to keep in mind. there are more witnesses to come, this goes back to the democratic strategy. u.s. ambassador came up multiple times during the hearing today. both witnesses made clear he had a close relationship with the president. gordon sondland will testify next wednesday by himself. democrats are truly waiting for that testimony. there is another element here. when ambassador william taylor came to testify, he unveiled new information that was not in his deposition. informs he learned after his deposition. one of his top staff who was sondland when son landland rece

the phone call from president trump. where they discussed what's going on behind the scenes of ukraine policies. sondland told the aid that president trump was more interested in the bidens than ukraine president. that was new and that was the firsthand testimony. will they get that firsthand testimony? here is the big element. that individual is scheduled to come here give a deposition behind closed door on friday. there is a possibility that individual will testify publicly at some point in the future. there are more things to come is the broader point here, laying the ground work for what to come. republicans feel like they got what they wanted here. democrats are clear that this is the only start. >> phil mattingly. thanks. >> methodical is the word. >> yeah. >> one that taylor says was quote "running contrary to the

goals of long standing u.s. policies." that's key. mike quigley asked them both about who's calling the shots that on that regular channel? >> president trump wanted was done as what you described as an irregular channel and the chance to take on ukraine policy, is that correct mr. kent? >> that would be my understanding. >> ambassador? >> exactly. >> all right, with us ron browstein, good evening to all of you. michael, you had some interesting points on this especially democrats were rather in effective. where was that?

>> the democrats keep on missing the basic point which is exhibit a is the transcript of the july call in which the president with words out of his own mouth said to the president of ukraine the relationship between us had been unequal, we have been giving you more than you have been giving us, there have, i have al fav f to ask you. that's in of itself is the abuse of power of the office. whether it is quid pro quo or a republican announcement. that asked in of itself is the problem, is the abusive. democrats keep on falling into this trap of quid pro quo or not quid pro quo when it is not necessarily given the conversation by president zelensky. >> it is a good point. we went through enormous controversy investigations due

to russia interference in 2016 election, denounced by republicans and democrats. sl ron, i want to ask you this question, beyond's michael's point. you have the transcripts and now you have a second phone call of the next day where the president checks into say how is this going on my demand investigation and that according to taylor was his clear focus. >> right, i think what you get and michael israe obviously rig about the in criminating nature of the rough transcript of the white house itself revealed. the key i think ambassador taylor's testimony and all of these other is that was not a one time event. it was not a casual comment by the president. it was a sustained campaign of pressure that went on for months and that involved multiple things that the ukrainians cared

about very much in particular of this military aid. the republicans today are putting a lot of weight on a very fragile branch. the idea that ambassador taylor and kent did not talk directly to the president. row means? >> and persuade the executive branch of the government to withhold the money? it goes to a dead end quickly. >> it is a branch that could break a week from today, rad i saw a request like trump when i was in the cia but not in democracy. what did we learn today?

>> well, there is la lot that w learn today. people are getting wrapped up of this quid pro quo going down the rabbit hole, the president provided the most damming evidence i believe today which is him during that phone call reaching out and asking a foreign leader for sassistance n getting dirt from a domestic leader. they expect that sort of thing when vladimir putin is on the other end of the line or some other dictator on the line. the real damage down the road is going to take a long time to heal this is american credibility diplomatically, militari militarily, it used to be when an american official walked ein

who else is there? it does not matter, usually the most attention and it is not an ego thing, you are the most important person in the room because you are the american official. if foreign government gets the idea that really the united states is no difference from any other corrupt society, the president is going to call up and ask for a personal favor? american credibility, look, you guys start to act more democratic and buck up. all of that goes away and vladimir putin is going to say they're no difference of what they are accusing me of. it is adami damming situation ts going to take a while to heal up. >> michael, i want to ask you from a legal perspective, how democrats approached this since the president is blocking any of the key witnesses here and the president has been known to speak in way when he's asking for something that may get the point across without saying it in so many words. we saw that with michael flynn

and james comey, can you let it go? if you are prosecuting this as a lawyer say against the mob, where you may have circumstances, how do you get around it? what's the response when some of these obstructive steps seemed to be working? >> the democrats need to enforce their subpoena. they need to go to court. i know they don't like the idea of being delayed in court. they need to enforce subpoenas. we'll see what happens when the decision ended, john mcgahn's subpoena case comes down imminently. that could be president for kupperman and other refusals coming forward. in a conspiracy case then you do not need words out of the the

mouth of the lead. you see it through the acts of his men. michael nixon, all president's men, nixon and mitchell, all executed. the points that were made earlier today is impossible to believe that rocker and sondland and rudy giuliani and secretary perry were doing this on their own. it is just not credible. if you are before a jury, you would say exactly that. it is an incredible story to police chief that these guys conducting foreign policies without the direction of the lead which is the president. >> but, ron, where is the howard baker this time around? >> extraordinary. we almost accepts without kind of reaction that the entire house republican caucus viewed itself as defending the

president when he knows no desire to get to the truth of what happened. that's an extraordinary moment. people talk about well, republicans will say they can't afford to break the president because the basis so solid. the base is so solid because they're not getting any cues from elected officials, there are reasons to be concerned here. really is, it does raise a question. how far will republicans go to defend the president? >> leaving the party becoming an independent and francis rooney says he's leaving. >> we'll see. >> i guess we'll see poppy. >> today there was not a howard baker in the bunch. you know when ambassador taylor as a hearsay, he was testifying and told by sondland and as

michael said earlier, are you supposed to believe that was rudy giuliani and sondland, the idea kind of explodes upon contact and describing him as a hearsay witness -- >> and the president often describes that. he says what he wants and people do what he wants. >> republicans say not on what we heard. on the first day of testimony, firsthand from eye witnesses' mouth. will republicans be able to drive home that hearsay argument? >> russia and ukraine are at the center of this impeachment inquiry. what do those two countries, citizens there think as they watch all of this takes place in

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there is a first time for everything if you have decades of public service. bill taylor says he told national security advisor john bolton, he had serious concerns about withholding security aid from ukraine. >> telling him exactly that. and that was the first. >> listen. >> have you sent a cable like that? how many times in your career, 40 or 50 years have you sent a cable directly to the secretary of state? >> once. >> this time in 50 years. >> yes, sir. >> that shows how concerned he was and how urgent he felt the need was. back with us, michael and steve.

i would like to take a moment to just step back and steve, i would like for you to address this. there was a moment at the end of bill taylor's opening statement that was so powerful and it was not about politics. it was about the emergence of a young democracy. listen to what he said. >> in this second story, ukraine is the subject. this will one was about young people in a young nation struggling the break free of its past, hopeful that their new government will usher in a new ukraine, proud of its independence from russia and enjoying a secure and prosperous life. this story describes a nation developing inclusive democratic nationalism and not like what we in america in our best moment

de deals about our country. less concerned of what languages we speak and where our grandparents came from. more concerns of those coming into our country. >> in a countour country. >> how was crane or do you believe ukraine was heard by what transpired? >> i believe that ukraine is probably suffering on a number of different levels. yes, finally they did get some of that aid that they so badly needed in the face of the russian aggression. i think poppy you are right, if you step back, one of the uplifting moments, that you just played, i think a lot of americans don't think about everyday or when we hear it from politicians, we think okay, they're trying to get their ratings up. when you hear it from a career

ambassador like ambassador taylor, it really does. that's the sort or thing that ring true for countries like ukraine and newly independent country that used to be apart of the soviet union, those are things that they almost aspire to and the idea they can have a country that they control and make their own decisions as to who they want to align themselves with. when you have a president of the united states who starts to act more vladimir putin and act like addi a dictator or the president likes to say the head of banana republic. you cause questions to arise in emerging democracy. they look back and say well, we are an emerging young democracy, is that how we want to look in our old age, do we want to look where president trump is able to make demands like guys like

voou vladimir putin. that's damages that's done on a much deeper level. >> you got to go there. you go to the central square and kiev, we are doing democracy protests years ago. pro protesters were shot in the head. this is not theoretical stuff. it is a war happening right now. it is amazing when you see the flowers and monuments. it brings it home to you where the young democracy is struggling there. >> i have to ask you, we brought up the name john bolton. bolton describes this whole scheme is a drug deal in his words. he asked the judge for permission slip to come and testify. what strikes me is john bolton

wants to testify here and he may tell a story that's not good for the president. >> he'll walk in tomorrow and testify. the same thing we talked about with don mcgahn at the mueller hearing. if he believes his obligation to the country, and demands o f the white house not to testify, he could do that. and he would be important because one of the things, i thought it was significant was understandably much of the debate of the entire episode focused on the potential corrupt and influence in the 2020 elections here in the u.s. the mechanism by which the president chose to try to exert leverage on ukraine, threaten their security and threaten our foreign policy entrance and strengthen the hands of vladimir putin. i think we are going to hear a

lot more. the stakes are not just about what it meant for domestic american politics but what it meant for politicians in the world. the mechanism that the president chose here advance the interests of vladimir putin even if he thought he's advancing his own. >> michael, if the democrats, you know have their way here, they'll have no not only portrays some of their republican counter parts in the senate. the american public has to move and i wonder you belief what we heard today significantly will sway the american public? >> not yet. it should but i don't think yet. i think that these witnesses were foundational. they laid out the case as to why the cynical approach to this president of ukraine for personal benefits was

undermining their democracy and our democracy. now, what they need to do is put people in the witness chair who can say with more -- direct knowledge that the president was the master mind of this scheme. it is he who's responsible for this and therefore should be held accountable. they have not yet gotten to that. that's defense of the republican rested which proved this the president. ron and i have said it is impossible that it was not the president. they can tell we have a little bit more direct evidence that the president was the puppet master here. the public is not yet going to move in favor of removal. >> the white house is preventing those people from testifying which is an ongoing threat in this. listen, democrats have to figure out how to deal with it if the judge does not rescue them.

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you may not be surprised democrats and republicans have different reviews. democrats applauding it is a game changer for the hearings lying ahead. republicans claiming nothing has changed. it is a good day for them.

many argued that because of military aid did make its way to ukraine and no investigations in the bidens. there was no quid pro quo and no abuse of power. >> skrojoining us, scott jennin. he's former special assistant. thank you for being here with us and staying up quite late with us. >> it is 8:30 p.m. in hawaii so aloha for the folks who are watching. >> aloha, hawaii. >> now you made me feel worse. >> we didn't think it was possible. we usually wake up about three hours from now but there is that. what's the most important thing you think the american public learn today? >> ambassador taylor dropped in this phone call that his staffer heard sondland had with

president trump. he was the only person that had direct contract with trump. i didn't see a lot today that change the calculus here for republicans. remember most republicans think it is complete that we'll have the president impeached in the house. what we are looking for is public opinion going to change that would influence the u.s. senator to decide he's going to convict the president when the trial heads over there. i don't hear a lot of concerns today from republicans on the hill that pr or the public opinion really changed of what we got today. >> let me ask you this, you make a point it is a good one. until we hear from sondland, you don't have someone of firsthand knowledge. the white house blocks the testimony of several witnesses testifying to that very question, exonerating the

preside president. if republicans want transparency here, why not support calling key witnesses. john bolton and mick moulvaney. >> it didn't work with harriet myers. >> the obama administration gone some. >> i saw a lot of people brought before congress and answering hard questions. >> i think don mcgahn's claim on this litigated by the court. so there is a legitimate question about whether executive branch would want to give in on

that particular privilege right now and of course the republicans in congress don't want to do anything necessarily to hurt the president in their own party. that's largely why. i don't expect white house officials to show up. let me add one caveat. if you are an ex white house official and you don't work there, there is not much they could do. they can fire you. but, if you don't want to work there, they can't do anything for you, i guess you can find yourself ostricised. >> are you talking about john bolton? >> this is why i enjoy having you on, you have your political believes but you also see things what you wrote today. i had to read it twice. it is going to be interesting to see how the white house attack the comments of its own appointee and someone who does have firsthand knowledge of the president's conversations and

state of mind. >> they had an easy time to go after taylor or kent. they just had to go after the fact they did not have conversations with the president or firsthand knowledge of what the president is thinking. that goes away when you put someone on the witness stand who had repeated conversations with the president. you saw president trump down playing his connections and his conversations with sondland. my anticipation is attack is only going to ramp up on sondland. he already had to go back to congress and update his testimony once. depending on what he said in an open hearing, the white house may find itself in a position to say it is not correctly representing what the president says. >> listen. the republican lawmakers,

hearsay arguments, it is the idea that sondland and rudy giuliani and others will pursue this alternate ukraine policy and this extortion if you want to call it quid pro quo without the president's knowledge freelancing in effect for an investigation. they would help a possible challenge for the president in 2020. is that something you find i am plausible? >> i think it is plausible that conversations were had about this. the white house could potentially argue that some of these people that work for the president executed in a way that was too navorro. they would say the president was more concerned of corruption and these folks took it in a wrong direction. i am asking you to run it through reality check chamber. >> well, look, it depends on what sondland says. if he walks in and says the president flat out ordered me to

do this specifically, that changes things. well, if he walks in and says well, if we had general discussions about it and maybe we misunderstood. we'll talk about the next few days but until we get to sondland, i am not sure much is going to change because everything he says may change the entire complexion of this. >> that's an amazing statement, a hotel magnet who had no experience in foreign experience in policies befriended the president and donated a million bucks and got this key post, the hearing potentially may rise up. >> in one thing that i am hearing from a lot of republicans on the hill and especially over the senate is this, even if sondland goes that far and sort of drops the president directly into this, they're still not necessarily comfortable with the binary choice. democrats seem to be arguing you either support what the president did or you should

impeach him. some dprup says it is not a problem and some group says i don't like it but it is not impeachable. republicans may have some room who may prefer to sort it out. >> it is a pa rallel to the clintons' hearing, right? . in theical in the clinton's, there was no second term. with trump, the fallout. >> can you imagine that? >> scott jennings thank you for staying up late. talk to you very soon. >> an important question in all of this is how do citizens in ukraine and russia feel as they watch these public hearings in the united states. we'll take you there? our special live coverage continues next.

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at the center of the impeachment inquiry, the war

that's going on right now between ukraine and russia. both are watching this proceeding to see what's next for president trump, how it may impact them. our correspondent is live for us in moscow, so you have been monitoring, what are you hearing, frederick pleitgen. roi right now it is 8:49 in ukraine. certainly the impeachment inquiry have been left and right and the main topic in all this. right now it is straight all news coverage. we have reached out to the president's office, zelensky's office. they did not want to comment on this matter. that's significant. zelensky has been trying to lay low in all of this. he was put in an extremely

difficult position with president trump asking h i am to take sides in the battle of president trump's political battle with the bidens. they know this topic is key to their future. you fast forward and go over here to the russians side of a different picture. we were in touch yesterday with the kremlin. i want to read you a little quote from the kremlin's spokesperson. you know all about these scandal stories where russia was mentioned and it was little substance that could have anything to do with reality and truth. of course the russians believe the puasitions of of the ukrainians have been weakened considerably and they have to ask for help from the russians

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well, the testimony today has been the first of many eproceedings. ahead law makers will hear from the aid at the center of bill taylor's revelation. he overheard the phone call between president trump and ambassador sondland. >> friday the fired ambassador to ukrain, marie yovanovitch. next week at least eight

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