tv Impeachment Inquiry Special Coverage CNN November 14, 2019 8:00am-11:00am PST
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and good afternoon. i'm anderson cooper. you are watching cnn's special coverage of the impeachment hearings into president trump. thanks for joining me. a milestone in the trump presidency. probably not one that the administration is celebrating as day one of the impeachment hearings is in the books. bill taylor and deputy state secretary george kent testifying about efforts by the white house to pressure ukraine to start investigations to dig up dirt on joe biden, nearly $400 in aid, mostly military aid, when would. acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney, rudy
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giuliani and gordon sondland were highlighted in those efforts. taylor revealed that president trump may have had a more direct role than he or his republican allies have admitted. here is what he told congress yesterday. >> in the presence of my staff at a restaurant, ambassador sondland called president trump and told him of his meetings in kyiv. a member of my staff could hear president trump on the phone asking ambassador sondland about the investigations. mbs sondland told president trump the ukraine crayons were ready to move forward. following the call with president trump, a member of my staff asked ambassador sondland what president trump thought about ukraine. ambassador sondland responded president trump cares more about the investigations of biden wirks giuliani was pressing for. >> to recap, president trump, according to sondland, what is overheard asking ambassador sondland about ukraine's investigations or the investigations he wanted ukraine
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to have into joe biden. less than a week ago this is what the president told reporters when asked about sondland. >> let me just tell you, i hardly know the gentleman. but this is the man who said there was no quid pro quo. and he still says that. >> pamela brown is at the white house right now. what's the reaction of the trump administration to this revelation? the president says himself he has no knowledge of this. >> reporter: the white house was caught off guard by this revelation and immediately put officials on the defensive, having to formulate new pushback, saying that the aide was so concerned about the call, why didn't he raise it earlier than a week ago to bill taylor and they're repeating a common talking point. that once again it's another example of hearsay. officials with firsthand knowledge are expected to testify soon, anderson. state department aide will be meeting behind closed doors tomorrow and ambassador sondland is expected to testify publicly next week.
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depending what comes out of that, the white house may need to rethink its talking points about this. the president was quick to distance himself from that call. here is what he had to say. >> i know nothing about that. first time i've heard it. one thing i've seen that sondland said was that he did speak to me for a brief moment, and i said no quid pro quo under any circumstances, and that's true. the other, i've never heard this. in any event, it's more secondhand information, but i've never heard it. >> do you recall having conversations -- >> i don't recall. no, not at all. not even a little bit. >> sondland is known for having a direct lnk to the president. during his close hnd door testimony he told lawmakers he talked to trump the day after the zelensky call, july 26th. he called it a short and nonsubstantive conversation. this new revelation about the call is certainly giving new ammunition to democrats who say this information implicates the president and shows the instructions on pressing ukraine to open up investigations into democrats were coming from the
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top. anderson? >> pamela brown, thank you very much. sondland will be testifying next week. you heard the president, doesn't recall that conversation that he allegedly had with gordon sondland on ukraine. i don't recall, or sometimes it's i don't remember. also the go-to answers for the russia investigation, far from the only time, political correspondent sarah murray took a look back to the president's responses to some of the most pressing questions. let's start with his responses to special counsel robert mueller. >> i can't recall. i don't remember. i barely knew the guy. he offered up a lawyerly "i can't recall" more than 30 times. those nondenial denials have not held up particularly well, especially when it comes to the roger stone trial that's been playing out. one of the things the president said he couldn't recall were whether there were any conversations between roger stone and wikileaks. rick gates, former trump
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campaign aide said he was present when president trump spoke to roger stone, apparently, about wikileaks during the campaign. the president then turned to rick gates and said he believed more information was coming. this is not the only time the president has drawn a blank when it comes to some uncomfortable questions. remember when the president was asked about paying off stormy daniels? >> did you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? >> no. no. >> why did michael cohen make this, if there was no truth to those allegations? >> you'll have to ask michael cohen. michael is my attorney. you'll have to ask him. >> later it would come out that president trump did, in fact, know full well about those payments. he was even implicated when michael cohen went to court and was charged with campaign finance violations in knowing about those payments. the other people that president trump says he doesn't seem to
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know about are giuliani associates lev parnas and igor fruman. here is what the president had to say about those two gentlemen. >> lev parnas and igor fruman? >> i don't know those gentlemen. it's possible i have a picture with them i have a picture with everybody. i have a picture with everybody here, but somebody said there may be a picture or something at a fund-raiser or somewhere. but i have pictures with everybody. i have -- i don't know if there's anybody i don't have pictures. i don't know them. i don't know about them. i don't know what they do. but i don't know. maybe they were clients of rudy. you would have to ask rudy. i just don't know. >> turns out they had more than just one picture together. k-file team turned out ten different instances where president trump interacted with these two folks. again the president tends to turn to this, i don't recall, i never knew them response when he gets into tight spots.
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we'll see how that holds up this time. >> sarah, thank you very much. nancy pelosi is speaking right now. let's listen in. >> the process, political process, depositions, subpoenas, perjury and so forth. this was made starting clear by chairman schiff it seemed to me, when he said he would do everything necessary to ensure the legal rights of the whistle-blower. >> that's right. >> to preserve anonymity. >> right. >> in this political setting. i wonder if you can explain to the american people why the legal rights of the whistle-blower should prevail in this political setting offer those of president trump, who should ordinarily enjoy a right to confront his accuser. >> let me just say this. i'll say to you, mr. republican talking points, what i said to the president of the united states. when you talk about the whistle-blower, you're coming into my wheelhouse. i have more experience in
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intelligence than anybody in the congress. anybody who has ever served, 25 years on the committee as top democrat, ex officio and speaker i was there when we wrote the whistle-blower laws. the whistle-blower is there to speak truth to power and have protection for doing that, and any retribution or harm coming to the whistle-blower undermines our ability to hear truth about power. i will defend the rights of the whistle-blower vehemently. does the president want to come speak? does he want to present in writing or speak to the committee about his, what might be exculpatory for him? he has that right to do. but nobody, nobody, the president -- the president is not above the law. the president will be held accountable. and nobody should have the right
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to endanger whistle-blowers. and that is the system that i will defend, and the american, the american people understand that. >> you talked about bribery a second ago. >> yes, bribery. >> that's a very serious charge. >> it's in the constitution. you know, talking latin around here, from any one. quid pro quo. bribery. bribery. and that is in the constitution attached to the impeachment proceedings. >> and what was the bribe here? >> the bribe is to grant or withhold military assistance in return for a public statement of a fake investigation into the elections. that's bribery. yes? >> are you looking at an article of impeachment? >> i don't know that. we haven't even made a decision to impeach. that's what the inquiry is about. and when the committees decide
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that, and they will decide what the articles are. but i am saying that what is -- the president has admitted to and says it's perfect. i say it's perfectly wrong. it's bribery. >> talking about the importance of the public, bringing the public along on the idea of impeachment. do you think your members' questioning was effective in convincing the public this was a worthwhile thing to pursue? >> well, it's -- look, first and foremost, we have a responsibility to honor our oath of office, to protect and defend the constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. and that is our responsibility. the clarity for the public to understand what is there wasn't as clear, in my view, when you say obstruction of justice, obstruction of justice, obstruction of justice 11 times in the mueller report. that is justification enough for
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inquirying into an impeachment. this had a story, a narrative about the president threatening to grant or withhold certain privileges and certain military assistance voted on by the congress to ukraine, which is in our national interest to do so because they were fighting the russians. they've already lost over 11,000, 12,000, 13,000 people fighting the russians. that's why i say all roads lead to putin. putin benefited from our not -- any holding up of that foreign -- that military assistance. putin benefited by the action taken by the president, vis-a-vis syria and turkey. strong hold in the middle east and the president gave them that. putin benefited from the president's comments about uncertainty about our support,
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and the list goes on. i won't even go into the elections. just those three because those are the three that i have mentioned to the president when i have said with you, mr. president, all roads lead to putin. >> you kept saying that you haven't really decided to move -- >> we haven't. that will be up to the committee's to decide. >> do you believe yesterday's testimony from george kent and bill taylor moved the needle for democrats more? >> this isn't about for democrats. this is for the american people. this is about patriotism. it's not about politics, democrats, republicans. it's not about anything political. it's about patriotism. it's about honoring our oath of office and to uphold the constitution and the constitution spells out what our responsibilities are and what our penalties are. and yesterday i think -- i do believe that the truth will set us free.
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and so the truth, coming from the president's own appointee, the president's own appointee describing bribe ry and that wa just shameful behavior on the part of the republican. >> speaker pelosi? >> yes, ma'am. >> usmca is imminent. how do you think afl-cio is poised to respond? >> we have shared values with the afl-cio and believe that the growth of our economy is blessed with more participation from collective bargaining, workplace safety, all of that. so i think we will have -- we'll see what the implementation is, what that is and the enforcement
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is. and i think it will be a value shared by our friends in labor as well as the democrats in congress. we're in a good place. as i say, i want this to be a template for future trade agreements, the work that we put in here will not only have a benefit in the u.s./mexico/canada agreement but for the globalization discussion in general. and so what we'll have to do is as soon as we come to conclusion is to have the implementing language written, and we have an idea of what that would be. so i think we are -- i would like to see us get it done this year. that would be my goal. i don't imagine that it would take much more in the senate to pass. i mean, some of our legislation won't pass this year, but in the senate i would hope that they would move quickly with this. >> do you believe that personally -- >> you say that the house has
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not decided to pursue impeachment. >> that's right. >> when we see the hearing yesterday, a lot of questions about impeachment. bribery, abuse of power and things that go into articles of impeachment. why would the public not think that the house is dead set on a course to impeach the president when all of this millieu is going on? >> it's seeking of the truth. it's called an inquiry. if the president has something that is exculpatory -- mr. president, that means you have anything that shows your innocence -- he should make that known. that's part of the inquiry. and so far, we haven't seen that. but we welcome it. >> do you think that there's a way, considering all the hearings and all the depositions that there's any way that the house could not impeach, with all of this work regardless? >> perhaps you've not heard me when i said this is something we're very -- do with a heavy
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heart. this is very prayerful, because impeaching is a divisive thing in our country. it's hard. and the place that our country is now, it's not a time where you go to 70% when people -- when president nixon walked out of the white house. it wasn't there before he left, even two weeks before he left. it wasn't there until the other shoe fell and he walked out the door. by the way, what president trump has done on the record in terms of acting to advantage his -- a foreign power to help him in his own election and obstruction of information about that, the cover-up, makes what nixon did look almost small, almost small. but, again, an inquiry is an inquiry, and people come in and you hear what they have to say.
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next week some of the republican suggestions of witnesses will come in and we'll hear what they have to say. but this is not something that you take lightly and you make a decision as you go along. one last question? >> when the hearings are still going on, negotiating a resolution, what's been the working relationship with the white house? have they been involved in this process, i guess, the adage of walking and chewing gum at the same time? >> i'm not a gum chewer, but i do eat a lot of chocolate as i walk around here. obviously, the president, appropriators, come from the
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culture of appropriations and intelligence. both places that by and large when i first started there were not particularly partisan. but left to their own devices, appropriators know how to get their job done. so without going into any detail we're moving in a direction because we do not want a shutdown of government. we prefer not to have a continuing resolution. so we have to make some decisions as we go forward. >> the white house is going to sign off. >> when you say the white -- you mean the administration? >> president trump. >> well, the administration. let's just say the administration. okay? and whoever they may designate at the table. >> madam speaker, given that republicans have been arguing that yesterday's witnesses only heard things secondhand, i'm wondering if you think it would be worth waiting for those who have heard firsthand.
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>> cheryl, cheryl, cheryl. don't fall into the secondhand stuff. really. that is such a fraudulent proposition put forth by the republicans. that is such a fraudulent proposition. and they know it. that's why they're talking about process rather than the substance of what we have heard. i just won't even dignify what they're saying in that regard. i just won't. >> if you need the courts to rule -- >> we are engaged in what the constitution charges the congress to do to make its decisi decisions. we are not here to be manipulated by the obstruction of justice of the administration. on the one hand, they say that it is secondhand. on the other hand, they obstruct all of the people who they would consider to have firsthand knowledge from testifying. obstruction of congress. obstruction of justice. i'm going to come back to hr-6.
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this is something that we're so proud of. but over 160 days ago, we said to the senate, hr-6, the american dream and promise act. this is a bill that would protect our dreamers in our country. these young people who have come to our country made such a valuable contribution. we're grateful to them. >> we'll continue to monitor speaker pelosi for her comments. we want to let you know what's going on, on the right-hand side of your screen. in santa clarita, california, reports of a shooting at a high school. latest information, let's go to nick valencia standing by. >> reporter: anderson, breaking news out of los angeles. reports of a shooting at a high school in santa clarita, the los angeles area, about 45 minutes north of downtown los angeles at a high school called sawgas high
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school. earlier this morning los angeles county sheriff's office took to their twitter page to announce a shooting at the high school. they said please avoid the area. from this tweet we gather that the suspect is a male asian in black clothing, last seen at the location. deputies are on the scene and still responding. we are continuing to get tweets from a verified account of the los angeles county sheriff's. the sheriff's office saying that this active shooter situation, it's still active. suspect described to be a male asian in black clothing is outstanding. surrounding schools as well have been put on lockdown including at least two elementary schools. at least three victims on gurneys have been taken out of the high school. we saw that with our own eyes on the affiliate video you're seeing there, aerials from ktla. we are continuing to monitor this to try to get more information. crews are en route to the scene. just to repeat here, saugus high school on lockdown, two nearby
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elementary schools also on lockdown after reports of an active shooter. >> nick, do you know what time was the first indication that something was going on, do you know? >> just within the last 30 minutes here, anderson. we got a tweet from the los angeles county sheriff's department announcing this active shooter situation. local affiliates followed up, announcing breaking news. this is still very much an active situation. that suspect is still on the loose. >> i think that's an important thing to point out. it's rare we see a situation like this where the suspect is still not accounted for some 30 minutes into it. as know, most active shooter situations, frankly, are finished within, i think according to the fbi statistics, in six minutes or so. that's where most fatalities take place. police response is usually within minutes. clearly there are police on the scene and we saw students leaving the school. it certainly looks like an active search is still under
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california, saugus high school, shooting there. at least three people have been taken out on gurneys, according to nick valencia, who has been watching this. that was seen on videotape. all schools are on lockdown in the area. at last report, the shooter was described as a male asian suspect dressed in black clothing. the police in their announcement about 30 or so minutes ago indicated that the shooter at that point had not been apprehended or located, believed to still be somewhere on the scene. we've not gotten any updates with police but want to check with our stephanie elam in los angeles. what are you hearing? >> reporter: one thing we're learning, anderson, some people reported that they did see someone fitting this description running away from saugus high school. now this is in a suburban neighborhood of los angeles. it's about a 30-minute drive north of hollywood proper, where we are right now.
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what we do know is that they're telling residents in the area to shelter in place. all the schools in the area are on lockdown as well as they're trying to identify where this person is. obviously at this point, we do know people have been shot. it's just unclear how many. there's reports of more than three people being shot. as of now we've seen three people come out on gurneys in this video. we can tell you that this -- excuse me, this area where you see up here, it's kind of up against the foothills there. you can see where the school is around it. so there is some open space that can help but there's also a lot of rough terrain around the school as well. the shelter in place coming from the lncht a. county sheriff's department as they're trying to locate where this person is. as far as we know right now, anderson, they do not know and have not apprehended the person that they believe has done this. >> we should point out, stephanie, a couple of minutes ago from this helicopter, we're looking from kabc affiliate it looked like the police were in multiple locations, not only at the school and school grounds look somewhat sprawling.
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obviously, which adds to difficulty in terms of searching, but it looked like the police were also at a location sort of farther away where some officers had cars parked, guns drawn, looking toward a field. couldn't see anything from the helicopter vantage point. i assume that is based on the idea that this person may have run away or at least the early report on that? >> right. that's what we have heard, that someone saw someone fitting this description, running away. listen, it's probably going to happen that they're going to get this person before we see it and apprehend them. we just don't know it at this point. just trying to find. as you can see, it's sprawling out there. there's a lot of terrain to get around and trying to make sure people shut down their garages, lock their doors, make it difficult for anyone to try to hide inside their homes so they can find this person and get them. if everyone is staying off the roads and doing that, they're really looking to try to get people out of the way so first responders can get in there,
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find this person and stop them. >> we should also remind our viewers that early reports on shootings are often incorrect or incomplete, or confusing. many times witnesses will say there were two shooters and usually that just ends up being people seeing the same person from different vantage points or even seeing law enforcement and getting confused. obviously it's an incredit ebly chaotic situation. there's this report that this person may have been seen escaping. again, we should take that with a grain of salt, as authorities do. it's a very fluid situation. this has just been going on within the last hour. i want to bring in james gall. ano, cnn analyst on the phone. we've seen this far too often. we've seen police responding, as we've talked about the latest tactics for police is first officers on the scene immediately move into the building to try to neutralize
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the shooter or shooters but if a situation where the shooter has left, what then happens? >> yeah. anderson, you and i have had far too many conversations like this. just going back this past summer it feels like we had a brief respite from avoid the area at all costs. stay away from it. number two, responding law enforcement. as we've learned since columbine, which is hard to believe, just over 20 years ago, law enforcement has to go to the sound of the guns. in this instance, we a report of one potentially asian male that might have been the shooter.
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as you correctly pointed out, anderson, initial reports are often inaccurate and incorrect. that's what we know right now. it's ironic. the fbi just published a report on lone shooters from 1972 to 2015 with exhaustive data on this. police respond to somebody and i'm guessing at the end of this, after it's all sorted out, it's somebody with a lot of red flags that should have been noticed, but the number one thing for law enforcement, get to the shooter or shooters as quickly as possible, neutralize that. worry about the evidence and collecting the evidence and obviously putting together -- >> james, we're seeing somebody being loaded into an ambulance from the school. earlier there had been reports that three people had been taken out on gurneys. and, james, if you will, just hold on with us i want to bring
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in former congresswoman katie hill. i understand you actually went to high school here, is that correct? >> i went to saugus. i live in saugus now. you can hear the sirens and see them from my backyard right now. >> i'm sorry, the active shooter was headed where last you heard? >> it was several minutes ago but last i heard that the active shooter was headed in the elementary school nearby, which is where i live as well. hopefully, the police have cornered him a little more before he got there but all schools are on lockdown. >> we're told specifically the two elementary schools are clearly on lockdown. talk about this high school. it looks like a pretty sprawling campus. >> yeah. i mean, it is. tess it's a very large high school, over 3,000 students. it's the people who volunteered.
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my stepsister has students there. everybody is trying to get in contact with people who are there and we're just extremely concerned and, you know, our community has been deeply affected by these shootings. so many people from our community that were at borderline shootings. people who were at the vegas shooting. to have it come to a school it's almost like students that i worked with over the course of the campaign knew that it was going to be coming, that it was a matter of time. on march for our lives activists out here are extremely engaged. you can tell this is exactly what they feared and the reason they've been putting so much prsh on lawmakers to get something done. and i hate that this is what has
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happen happened. >> congresswoman, how far are the other schools? how far is the elementary school from this high school? >> probably half a mile, if that. >> half a mile. it looks like what we're seeing, at least from one of the shots from kcbs/kcal, it looks like students, in groups, are being escorted out. it looks like they have already been searched because they don't have their hands up. they seem to be walking with an armed escort. i'm not sure at this stage how much of the actual physical structure of the school has already been gone through and cleared if authoritys are still in that process and also what is the process -- it doesn't look like there are large numbers of students streaming out of the school. it looks like it's being done in a very orderly way. >> yeah. i mean, unfortunately, it doesn't surprise me that they're doing this in an orderly way
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because they've been practicing. it's horrifying that this is what our society has come to. but the students know that this is something they should expect. i think it's completely unacceptable. i guess in these situations -- >> when you were going to school, about how many students are at the school? >> there's over 3,000. >> wow. >> and i will also say, this was -- i was there, what, 15 years ago and there was no conception of a school shooting. this has all changed in the last decade. >> we're seeing a picture now of what looks like a young woman being put into an ambulance on a gurney. she seems conscious, at least.
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i mean, when you were in the middle of this, obviously, you've seen this from washington. you've seen this -- we've all seen this on television. to hear the helicopters and know what your neighbors, friends and family members are going through, what -- >> it's the worst nightmare. every single member of congress is constantly in the back of their head as to whether something like that is going to happen in your home district because it's the worst thing that can happen. and i think one of the hardest parts about it is that, you know, what are we supposed to say at this point? we passed the background check. we passed four different pieces of legislation that would make an immediate impact on reducing gun violence and it's just s sitting. as a freshman especially coming in, you just feel this sense of powerlessness. like we've done our part. what else can we do right now? to me it just says with complete and utter clarity, we don't have
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a choice but to flip the senate and to get somebody in the white house who is going to make this a priority. regardless of your other political beliefs, if you think that the safety of our kids matter, then to me that's what needs to get you to the polls. >> and, again, we're seeing some video of paramedics and firefighters working on somebody, then loading them on to a gurney. congresswoman hill, sorry we're talking under these circumstances. i appreciate the information. thank you. i want to go back with our stephanie elam. stephanie, from your vantage point where you've been monitoring this, anything new to bring? >> well, what i can tell you, anderson, is that we do know that one hospital in valencia, california, up there in the santa clarita area, they're saying they have two patients in critical condition and have three on the way. this is the henry mayo hospital in valencia. so that would imply that maybe
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perhaps five people have been shot. but we're not exactly sure on that, if those wounds are directly related to shootings. that, we're not sure of at this point. we do know at least one hospital giving an update on patients. i can let you know, too, as far as the los angeles sheriff's department is concerned, the santa clarita station has opinion tweeting out saying if you live in this area, lock your doors and if you see a male in dark clothing in backyards call 911. that was about eight minutes ago. that would imply they're still looking to find this person right now who did do this shooting. the other thing, anderson, that you were talking about there with representative hill about the fact that the students do seem to be coming out of the campus in an orderly fashion, the santa clarita valley sheriff's department also reporting that a reunification
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point for parents, so they're already starting to work to bring parents and children back together in a very stressful time. you're looking at a video of a young person who looks like she has a leg injury, that she already had, in getting her out of the building there. making sure that people are removed safely but also making sure that the shooter is not blending back in with the students and therefore being missed as being identified. they have a lot to go through as they're processing such a large campus to make sure that the students, the teachers, the staff, everyone that was there on campus this morning, that they are as safe as they can make them at this point. >> and i want to point out you are not -- these are not live pictures on the left-hand side of your screen. these are images we have seen before. again, neither of these are live images as far as i know. we're going to take a short break and have more information when we come back. ♪
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california, a shooting at saugus high school. two people in critical condition and three others being transported to the hospital. we're going to bring in a police officer in a moment. i want to point out we are not showing you live pictures from the scene. the suspect is still not, as far as we know, accounted for, may be on the loose, on the run or hiding. we don't want to show any live images that would give any suspect a sense of where police are exactly. we're just doing that out of an abundance of caution. bob baze from the l.a. county sheriff's department. thank you for being with us. what can you tell us, first of all, about the latest on what is happening? >> well, sir, i can tell you that what the latest is is that we have approximately five victims being treated at local hospitals. unfortunately i can't give you the nature of their injuries because we're still assessing everything that's happening. we also have multiple deputy
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sheriff's from our 28 sheriff's stations responding to the scene. a lot of them are already at saugus high school. and we are conducting a systematic search of the high school to ensure that it is safe at the moment. we are also utilizing these deputy sheriff's, our helicopters and k-9 teams to start sevening the surrounding areas to ensure that the general area is safe as well. so, in a process like this, whenever we have a shooter, we conduct this search and go throughout the entire surrounding areas and start looking for the guy, looking for leads and, unfortunately because of the nature of these incidents, we have to place other schools on lockdown. current schools on lockdown are highland elementary school, rosa elementary school and santa clarita elementary school. we don't believe they are in danger. however, out of an abundance of caution, we are locking those down and we have deputies at those schools to ensure that they are safe. so we want to let parents know in these areas that we're doing
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everything we possibly can to bring this person to justice as well as ensuring that the neighboring communities and neighboring schools are safe while we conduct our search. we understand it's very traumatic for everybody and we're doing the best we can to bring this to a peaceful resolution. >> do you know anything about the suspect? there was a description early on of a male asian suspect wearing black clothing, or do you believe that the suspect is still on the campus or elsewhere? >> just for the sake of our officers, i can't tell you where we believe the suspect is. and you are correct, the information we have about the suspect, he is a male asian wearing all black clothing, seen with a weapon. right now we're just . >> can you say what kind of weapon? a long gun, a handgun? >> i can't reveal the type of weapon that he was carrying. i can tell you a weapon was
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recovered. but that's still preliminary information and we're still conducting our investigation into this incident. >> and you're still assuming he is potentially armed? >> well, we always assume our suspects are armed, even if a weapon is recovered on scene. we don't know if people are bringing in multiple weapons, we don't know what other type of resources they have, so any time an incident occurs, we consider them armed until we know that they're not, and that's usually after the arrest. >> we know that police tactics have changed and you try to go in whenever you can once there are officers on the scene to try to stop the shooter. do you ever do you have a sense of how long the shooter was inside the school or how long has this been going on? how long did it take for officers to start going inside, because it looks like a very big school. it looks very confusing to search. >> it is a really big campus and it's actually a really safe campus.
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as far as the amount of time it took our deputies to get there, within minutes, if not seconds, because we have multiple deputies in that area. i can't tell you how much time the suspect was there when the shooting actually took place, but sir, you are correct. our tactics, as soon as there is a shooter on scene, the first deputies in there are directed to go towards the gunfire and stop the threat, because our main goal is the safety of the children and the safety of everyone involved in these kinds of scenarios. once our deputies one toward the threat and try to engage that suspect, once that suspect is stopped and it's deemed safe enough, other teams start rolling in, and they assemble contact teams which in turn go in to either assist with apprehending the active shooter if he's still there, or identifying the people that are injured, establishing triage points and making it safe for our partners at the fire
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department and our paramedic partners to come in and start bringing those victims safely out. >> and we've seen video, and again, we're not showing live pictures. just to inform our audience if you're just joining us, we are not showing live pictures because the shooter may still be on the loose. we don't want to give any information to this shooter about law enforcement's locations or efforts. the video we have seen from a helicopter shows a very orderly exiting of students being escorted by law enforcement. do you know if all these students have been, you know, screened and are out of the buildings, or is that process still underway? last i heard, it's about 3,000 students there. >> what i can tell you is the school has pretty much been evacuated. we have reunification points already in place for our parents of that high school. so they are being informed through the school district.
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you can also follow the social media of our santa clarita station, and also the sheriff's department as we parse it out to make sure people are aware of this information. it's a very orderly process. i mean, the sheriff's department trains with the school district, trains with the students. we run drills so we can ensure that we can get people out to safe locations as fast as possible. so what you see is everybody working together to make sure that people are safe and it provides the sheriff's department, you know, the opportunity to clear people out and then go in to stop the threat or locate the suspect. >> sergeant basey, i appreciate all the work you and the officers are doing. it's extremely brave and risky and we'll check back in with you later. appreciate it. >> thank you. we're going to take a quick break. we'll have more about this shooting. again, the headline, five people being treated right now according to sergeant basey from
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i'm anderson cooper. we are following breaking news out of southern california, police responding to a shooting at saugus high school just east of los angeles. three in critical condition, we're told, three others transported to the hospital. they may be already at the hospital. all other students are lockdown as police are trying to find the suspect. the suspect is believed to be a student at the high school. the description was male asian suspect wearing black clothing. i want to get to cnn's stephanie elam in los angeles. stephanie? >> reporter: what we can confirm at this point is there's been five people shot. we do know those five people that have been transported to the hospital have been shot. i believe all of them should have made it to the hospital at this point. we also know, like you said, that there is belief that the person who perpetrated the student that is still
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outstanding, they're still looking for the person that did this. the other information here that we have is the l.a. county sheriff has also tweeted this is still very much an active scene, and they're asking people who live in the area to shelter in place, lock everything down in their homes, close their garages, close their cars, lock everything up so there is no place for anyone to hide and keep their students with them. from what we understand, the shooting happened about 20 minute or so before school was about to begin, so there was a lot of people on campus as this day was getting going here. they're trying to make sure they account for everyone, going through the students, reuniting them with their parents at a park nearby to get those people back where they need to, but we do know that resources with coming in from across the state. according to the sheriff, they're saying the atf is also responding to the shooting as well as they dcanvass this area.
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it's kind of a sprawling area, so they're trying to find this person but making sure the students and staff are all safe and getting them out and reunited with their loved ones, anderson. >> stephanie, we should point out video from the scene, but we're not showing you live video. we're doing that intentionally because the shooter is still on the loose. if in some way this shooter is in front of a television or has access to images, we don't want the shooter to be able to figure out where police are, and beer doi -- we're doing that, obviously, just out of abundance of caution. stephanie, we're also getting details -- there is a report from a woman whose daughter attends the school, and she says that her friends, her daughter's friends, heard five shots. this occurred early in the morning about 20 minutes before school was supposed to start. according to this person, saying her daughter's friends heard five shots.
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they were in the gym when they heard the shots. it was in the main quad on campus. her friends called her right away and said don't go to school. that's just the newest detail we had of at least five shots, and we now, as you said, five people, we know, being treated at hospitals. we also just talked to the sergeant from the los angeles county who emphasized that the suspect is an asian male wearing all black. also another police officer told a local affiliate that he believed the suspect is a student at the high school, so that's some new information. but as you can see, paramedics, police, law enforcement are all on the scene. stephanie, we're going to continue to check back in with you as you monitor -- >> actually, anderson, i have just a little bit of information here. they are looking for this person they do believe is a teenager
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that goes to the school. just narrowing the numbers down a little bit. it sounds like it might not have been a senior, it might be a younger student we're looking for but still not sure on whether or not they have this person in custody but they're still looking for them. just that little bit of information, that it sounds like it may have been a younger student at the school we're looking at. i'll keep you posted, anderson. >> we have new sound in. a producer at our cbs affiliate, there is also a parent of a student at the school. she's talking about her child being on lockdown. let's listen. >> you know, i'm not doing very well. i've been abused my whole life and i just can't stop crying. he's on lockdown. i texted him right away and i haven't heard anything back, and i just think it really is hard for the parents because the person is still at large. and this is your worst nightmare when you're a parent, and so i've just been crying.
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>> of course. >> you would think because you've been in the industry and we've been in the industry, we see it so many times over and over again that you would get used to it, but you can't. every time you see a picture like this, it's just tough. >> when you see them running with the stretchers, it's just heartbreaking. because i haven't been able to reach him, i just wanted to reassure him that it's okay, even though how can you tell your son it's okay because there's been a shooting in a high school in the same city. ask th and that whole area is just so friendly. we actually almost purchased a house in saugus. >> one mother waiting to hear from a child at the school. let's bring in josh campbell who is monitoring this as well. what we're seeing is a classic reaction, police and officers on the scene going in trying to neutralize the shooter. what's different this time, from the reports it seems as if the
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shooter hasn't been apprehended, may not even be on the campus at all. >> right. you usually have a shooter taken into custody. sometimes they're killed in an exchange of gunfire by the officers, sometimes they put the gun on themselves. we just heard the anguish in the voice of the parent there wondering what's happened to your child. this is reality in 2019. parents can children prepare for this day. also the footage you see there, every agency represented is preparing for an incident just like this from the fire department to the police. what is unusual now that you have a suspect at large is you have multiple areas where police will be looking at. you have the immediate crime scene. they'll want to go through and clear that school. this is a suburban area. this isn't one building, this is multiple buildings. but also police will be setting up a cordon probably miles around at this stage because the last thing you want is to set up a perimeter looking in and the
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suspect has already fled. this is also -- i live in los angeles. this is a suburban area, a city of about 200,000 people, so a relatively small police department. you'll have everyone in the area searching to try to find the suspect. >> i should also point out the sergeant, bob basey, they actually already uncovered a weapon already. we don't know, and law enforcement has to assume that the suspect is still armed and object kwviously dangerous. >> that's right. we've seen shootings where the shooter had more than one weapon, so officers will not let their guard down even though they've recovered a weapon. the one question i had initially is have they positively identified this person? although they haven't specifically stated that, we have reports they believe it's a student, so i think it's just a matter of time before they tell us who this person is. they'll want to crowd source with the public, too, to get as
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much information as they can to the public. we already have a description. a young asian male wearing all black. that's the information they want to get out, but the question is how far did this person get from the scene? this is going to take some time. this is a suburban area, lots of buildings, lots of houses. >> 3,000 kids at the school. >> 3,000 kids. massive work there in l.a. >> stephanie? >> what we understand is that as law enforcement is going through and talking to each one of the students -- well, anyone who was on campus, staff, teachers, everyone, they're talking to them and they're not letting the students go back to the parents until they make sure they were not a witness to anything that may transpired on campus. for parents looking to reunite with their children, it may be taking a little long, it's all because they want no stone unturned and they want to get all the information they can. the age of this shooter that
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perpetrated this, we now know they believe this young man is a 15-year-old person that also attended saugus high school. that's who they're looking for at this point. just a little more detail about going through and talking methodically to the students to make sure they didn't find anything that could help in this investigation. >> it's interesting to see, we've seen this far too many times, kids being escorted out in a line. they don't have their hands up, so they've already been searched, i assume. they're allowed to take backpacks and things out with them, but it looks like it's being done in a really orderly fashion. again, this is a school of some 3,000 students. it's going to take a long time to get them all out. >> it is, and this is symbolic of the area we're in now where students and faculty and obviously the police, they know how to methodically exit from a shooting scene. that's something that they practice. it's a sad state of affairs, but
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we've seen footage in the past, different incidents where you'll have students that march out with their hands up. police just add an abundance of caution to make sure the student didn't fold into a line of students, for example, but that's something they'll clear in short order. the fact that it looks methodical, at least the emergent part appears to be over. they don't believe there is a threat at the school, but there is a lot of work to be done in the area. >> right, and the headline is "fi five people in hospitals right now. we don't know their condition. two were said to be in critical condition after the attack. they have been brought to area hospitals. and the other headline importantly for law enforcement was, the suspect still on the loose, whereabouts unknown, possibly still armed. though they have already recovered wucone weapon. we'll have more details ahead.
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i'm anderson cooper. we're following breaking news out of southern california. police responding to a shooting at saugus high school in santa clarita, california, which is just north of los angeles. at least five victims, two critical. the search underway right now. he is believed to be a teenaged student. we have students at the high school describing what happened. >> my friends who are still stuck in school, they're hiding in closets, they're trying to
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find anything that -- >> they're scared to die and they're hiding in closets. >> they're hiding in closets right now? >> yes. they don't know if they're safe or not and they're desperate to know the situation, so we're trying to help them out as best we can. >> we were texting all our friends ask mand making sure th were safe. they said they were hiding and they were scared. it scared us because they're our friends and we didn't want anything bad to happen to them. >> you've had these types of drills. how did it help you? >> it helped us because they said if you're not in a classroom, find a classroom. we weren't by a classroom, but we couldn't run over there because we thought he was over there. we ran through the fence, luckily it was open, and we got as far away from campus as we could. we just kept running because we didn't know where he was. we learned just to run.
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>> you heard five shots, you said? >> it was one and then four quick ones, so bang, and then bang, bang, bang, bang. >> it was one pre-fire and then four shots directly after. >> were kids panicking? >> yes. >> did people help each other? what is that moment like? >> we met some young boys because we were crawling for and they were helping us get to the hill and walking through the neighborhood. i never looked back, and we all just kept running. we were all helping each other like, do you have a ride, do you have a ride? it was a big group of us just running through this neighborhood trying to get away. >> everyone helped each other. i was actually pretty surprised because i thought people would just panic and push people out of the way. but everybody was helping each other, they were helping each other stay calm. they were hugging each other and keeping them calm. everybody worked together. it was very surprising. >> now you're going to wait here until you know everybody is safe? >> yeah, we're meeting up with
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her sister who was in school when it was happening. >> i was panicking the whole time because i was like, oh, my gosh, my sister is still in her classroom, i hope she's safe. at first my parents weren't answering, so i was like, oh, my gosh and then i started worrying about my sister. everyone around me was helping me calm down and get through it. >> you've been talking to her through text so you know she's okay. is she still in hiding? >> she's out now. she was hiding and she was texting all of us that she was so scared. it was just crazy. >> mom, you're emily's mom. >> yes. >> and did you just come from work? what did you hear? >> i was getting ready to go to work, and my oldest, who is a senior, she kept texting me saying, mom, there's a shooter, there's a shooter, and i'm like, what? i couldn't believe it. it kind of hits home because we just did that whole big thing last week about the every 15 minutes that my daughter was involved in, so it's been really hard. i just immediately got in my car
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and i drove right to the school. i parked at my daughter's friend's house and i just ran to the school. i waited and waited and finally my daughter came running out to me, which was the best thing ever. she got out. she was one of the first to get out of one of the classes that was, you know, let out. she was one of the first so she was able to get out. >> and you still didn't know where emily was, if she was okay? >> no, and i finally found out she was with her girlfriend and her mom, which was a relief. >> did you get a text? was there one word that she said? i just wonder what that moment is like. >> my daughter sara told me, mom, i'm so scared, i love you guys so much. she said, please come, please come. and that just killed me. yeah. you just don't know. you don't know where they are. you don't know if they're safe. i'm so glad that they're okay. >> thank you so much for talking to us. i'm glad you guys are okay, too. i'm glad you guys are holding onto each other. >> some of the students talking about what they saw and what
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they heard. five shots, they heard one and then rapid-fire four more. lockdown has been lifted on all but two schools. we're going to take a short break. we'll have more information ahead. d... born to be wild...♪ 25 cent boneless wings at applebee's. get 'em while they're hot. itso chantix can help you quit slow turkey. along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting. chantix reduces the urge so when the day arrives, you'll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. stop chantix and get help right away if you have changes in behavior or thinking, aggression, hostility, depressed mood,
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at saugus high school just north of l.a. at least seven people we know were transported to the hospital. a search for the suspect is still underway. you're not looking at looiive pictures there. we're not showing live pictures because the suspect is still on the loose. we don't want to tip him off to what police are actually doing. we can tell you police are in a location in a residential neighborhood. the suspect is believed to be a teenage student described as an asian male wearing black clothing at the time, not believed -- or it's unclear whether the suspect is still on the campus or elsewhere. stephan stephanie elam joins us with new information. stephanie? >> we can tell you the school district where this high school is, saugus high school, that unified heart school district has taken lockdown from all the schools in the district except
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saugus and arroyo junior high. that tells us they may have narrowed out the place this suspect could be. they're going to his home to get more information on him potentially there. we know five people were shot and transported to one hospital in valencia, the henry mayo hospital. two of those patients in critical condition, we understand. but we also now understand there is another hospital in mission hills, california where two they are now in that hospital . but they are speaking, as we know now, at this time just to give you a hint of what their health condition could be. no knowledge of whether they have been shot but just getting more information. that would bring us up to seven people in hospitals in relation to this shooting at saugus high school which started at 7:20 this morning. some interesting information, coming from the santa clarita police station saying around
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7:20 this morning local time, an off-duty deputy was dropping off his child at the high school when he thought he heard gunshots, so he began to investigate to see what was happening. at the same time the school resource deputy also on campus heard the same thing and was starting to investigate. the school was put on lockdown as a precaution. so just knowing there were police officers who also were parents who happened to be there, this deputy responding as one of the first people there, as we understand, to respond to the shooting on the campus. >> stephanie, i've also just gotten an update that number 7, they actually now say it's number 6, so it's at least six known people being treated at hospitals. they had said 7 and they just corrected themselves down to 6. but the shooter believed to be a teenaged student at saugus high school. again, whereabouts unknown. they did recover one weapon, according to an l.a. county sheriff i spoke to earlier, but
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they are assuming, obviously, this teenage suspect is still armed and obviously still very dangerous. that is a live picture you're looking at from outside the high school. we've been watching over the last hour or so as in a very orderly way groups of students, about 50 or so at a time, being escorted out with their backpacks. they don't have their hands up. it looks like they've already been searched and they're being escorted, and josh campbell is joining us now. josh, they will all be interviewed, they will all be obviously searched before they are in that line moving out. >> that's right. police officers want to ensure that the shooter is not among this group of students. that's the first priority. but secondly, as we mentioned, these are all witnesses. they want to know what did they see, what was the person doing? the one question we don't have yet answered was the motivation. why was this person there? was he targeting someone? there are a lot of questions we have that we don't have answered, but they may help fill
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in those gaps if the suspect uttered something before he opened fire. that's something they would want to know. this new report, lockdown and lifted for two of the schools. we're not in the all clear yet, but it at least shows they're narrowing the field of where they're looking. it's a massive effort. this is a suburban area. we were hearing earlier one of the parents was a deputy. i can tell you having been a law enforcement officer in the los angeles area, there is a ton of officers in that neighborhood they call home, so it was a spate of luck that someone there could actually respond. >> at this point, given the fact they have an idea on the suspect, it's very likely they know who the suspect is, and therefore, they would know where the suspect lives. they would already be gathering all that information? >> that's right. they want to know where the person lives, they want to talk
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to family members alike. we talk about the social media all the time. you want to get into the mind of that person. that may tip you off where this person is. you have someone posting something, for example, that's the all-important information that officers want to know. he is believed to have been a student. we'll have more ahead as we continue to monitor the situation. the suspect in santa clarita still on the loose. about vehicle quality. and when they were done, chevy earned more j.d. power quality awards across cars, trucks and suvs than any other brand over the last four years. so on behalf of chevrolet, i want to say "thank you, real people." you're welcome. we're gonna need a bigger room.
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welcome back. we continue to cover the breaking news. as you see there, a high school gunman is dead. stephanie, what have we learned? >> reporter: what we learned from two different law enforcement officers is the gunman is in fact dead. the person they do believe committed this crime -- i don't know if they're killing, but shooting people at saugus high school in santa clarita, that that person is dead. we also know now, too, that we had this revised number you were talking about of the number of people that have been injured. we now know that the original hospital that took the majority of the patients, henry mayo
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hospital updating their numbers now to say they have four patients. they have three males and one female, and they're saying that the female and two of the males are in critical condition, one male being in good condition there. we also have the other hospital we were just talking about, holy cross, that said they have two patients that are students, but they are talking right now, to give us an idea of where they stand. but the big news here is that the threat of the shooter here in santa clarita valley has been ended because they do say now that this gunman is dead. so this can give a bit of relief for parents of students, teachers, staff as they can sort of come together and start working on making sure everyone is okay knowing that the threat is not out there. that is the big news. as we know, they searched the suspect's home. they took the lockdown off of the other schools except for
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saugus high and one other school. but it has been confirmed the suspect is dead. >> so we can't confirm how the shooter died? >> we don't know if this was self-inflicted or from an officer, but we know it was neutralized at this point. >> obviously people in this community very worried. that is certainly news that will at least allow people to resume the rest of their day and also will help accelerate the evacuation of the school and reunification of some 3,000 students in this school. stephanie, we'll continue to come back to you. we're here with josh campbell. 3,000 students in this school. we're seeing more of them now coming out. it's been kind of very controlled. it looks like it's opening up and loosening up a little bit.
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i'm not sure if that's because of the word that this suspect is accounted for and dead. but there's still a lot for investigators -- this is a crime scene now. there is a lot for them to do. >> exactly, and we heard from a young lady earlier from one of our affiliates saying they were scattering, going into closets, trying to hide. police officers will have to clear that entire school. this is multiple buildings. it does give them a greater sense of relief that there is not an emergent situation, that they have the person believed to be deceased, but they have to do that due diligence to be sure there are not innocent people hiding in place. as we get to the second part of this investigation, authorities will dig into his past. what type of weapon was used? where did he get the weapon? did someone know about this? the main thing is getting rid of the threat. that's over and now you move into the long-term investigation. >> stephanie, you have some new
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information? >> what we're getting now from three different sources, to answer your question, anderson, the alleged shooter in this is dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. so that is answering that question that this was not law enforcement engaging with this person, that this person did, in fact, take his own life. sdp >> stephanie, i appreciate that information. obviously still a lot to know about the shooter. nick watt is on the scene where there is -- well, nick, explain where you are in relation to the school and what you've been seeing. >> well, anderson, the saugus high school is right behind me just about half a block that way. you can see there parents, students who have been brought out of that school. now, obviously, real relief with that news that this shooter is no longer a threat, but the shock here still exists. and, of course, the concern also for those injured who are now in
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the hospital. a number of them, we hear, in critical condition. we've also been told on the investigation front that the police are, currently authorities are searching that suspect's home. it's interesting, pretty early on in this, they put out a description of this individual as being a 15-year-old student who was wearing a black hat, black shirt, blue jeans and was of asian descent. that went out pretty quickly. this whole thing started at 7:25 this morning. we heard the first person to raise an alarm was an off-duty sheriff's deputy who was dropping a child at the school. the concern, though, was that the shooter was at large. he fled from the high school and there are two other elementary schools in this area. so there was huge concern. those schools were put on lockdown pretty quickly. but parents couldn't get into the evacuation center because of
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traffic, because of cordons, to reach their children. as i say, it's a huge relief this shooter is no longer a threat, but the shock remains, and also still many, many unanswered questions and still the question of the condition of those people who were injured. anderson? >> yeah. and the latest information we have on that, three are in critical condition and our thoughts are with them and their families, and we'll try to get updates as soon as the hospital feels it's good to release that information. nick, i appreciate it. we're still seeing students coming out of the school. again, this is going to be a long process, some 3,000 students at this school. we're going tieo take a short break. more ahead. in. tremfya® may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms or if you had a vaccine or plan to.
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welcome back. covering the shooting. at least six people hospitalized after the high school shooting in santa clarita, california. stephanie elam has new information about the shooter. stephan stephanie? sdp >> it's a fluid situation as we get information. we just got some information from the santa clarita sheriff's department. suspect is in custody and being treated at a local hospital. this goes against what we were saying before, but this is the latest information we have here, that the suspect is in custody and is being treated and not
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dead. so we are just going to keep following up on this information here. but the other part of the story that the threat is over and that they have identified the person who has done this and that this person is no longer a threat, that part remains true. just trying to figure out whether or not this suspect is actually dead or alive. it would seem now that he is in custody and is now being treated at a local hospital. >> as we said earlier, in a fast-moving situation like this, there are so many conflicting reports, often be you hear reports of two shooters, according to eyewitnesss, and then as the fog of the moment clears and people start to kind of compare their stories, you start to realize the actual numbers. we've even seen the numbers of people hospital change from seven now to six, so that is a clarification from the sheriff's department. bottom line, the suspect is alive, is in custody and the
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threat itself no longer exists. jo josh, it is good for law enforcement that the suspect is in custody because it helps them in the investigation. >> definitely. the question is, when the sheriff says he's being treated, treated for what? was there an exchange of gunfire with law enforcement, did he try to do something to harm himself? then the question about his current state. can they interview him? can they talk to him? those answers we do not have, and there is a release to help officers in the investigation, so there is hope to figure out what type of investigation this is. to get the motivation, they'll want to ask this person, why were you here on this day, and if he's in a state that he can talk to them, that might help them out. we have seen incidents where shooters clam up, they don't
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want to talk to the police, they lawyer up, or sometimes they're actually proud of what they did. >> we're hearing more from students about what they saw, what they heard. let's listen. >> grace grabbed me and lauren, we ran to the nearest house that was open. i'm thankful they let us in. they opened the door and we ran in. everyone was terrified and shaken up. >> we knew it wasn't a drill because a drill wouldn't happen early in the morning when not everyone is at school yet. that's when we knew this isn't normal, this isn't just a drill. >> it was terrifying. >> i know a few of the girls, they saw it happened and they saw him pull it out and they said they saw two people go down. >> it took us a minute to process that we need to run. >> you never -- like they say, you never think it's going to happen to you, and then it does and you get this gut feeling and you're absolutely terrified
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because you don't know what's going to happen. just the sound of the gun is just so -- >> it was too real. >> it was too real, it was terrifying, and it was horrible. >> it was horrible. i know. [ inaudible question ] >> we saw people run. >> there was a huge wave of kids coming down to the bus. >> i saw a huge wave of kids coming. i was in the library. coming from the quad straight for the gate, and that's when we ran. >> we heard everybody else's story. >> it was just a flood of kids fearing for their lives. it was surreal. [ inaudible question ] >> i heard, like, six. i heard one, a pause, two, a pause, and then three more. >> three more when we were running out. [ inaudible question ]
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>> like loud bangs. >> it sounded like fireworks. [ inaudible question ] >> because it wasn't anything normal. it was very distinct. >> it was just that thing like your body -- it was just a thing that your body knows that there is something wrong. >> you have that gut feeling, too. >> it happened over and over again and it's not something -- >> the first one, maybe it was a balloon popping. then two in a row like that, that doesn't happen. sdp >> then three more. >> and then you see the kids running and skbrus tjust the exs on their faces were terrifying. >> i'll never forget the look on their faces. >> they were terrified. we just started running. >> i didn't know where i was going, i just knew to run. [ inaudible question ]
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>> we have contacted them on our phones and we have a plan. >> i can't imagine having a sibling, and i know some kids are -- >> it was also scary because a lot of kids wouldn't pick up their texts. >> i know some of the kids had siblings they couldn't contact with because in a lockdown they're not allowed to use their phones. >> my brother was out sick, and i actually he was, i was having a panic attack. >> not knowing all your friends' numbers, not knowing if they're at saugus or on their way or at home. not knowing where people are is terrifying. [ inaudible question ] >> we've had drills, but they're always during class. we never actually sit down and hide, it's just we lock the doors, turn off the lights and
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be quiet. >> some of the people who were in the school this morning, 7:25 a.m. local time is when this began, when the shots were first heard. police officers quickly on the scene. one police officer dropping off his child at the school heard the shots and went to investigate. some of that video was pixulated. it happens when you do a video by satellite. we have a press conference set up by law enforcement. a sheriff will bring us the latest information. we'll bring that to you very shortly. we'll get a quick break in before the press conference. we'll be back from santa clarita, california to small towns. erage from b, introducing t-mobile's 600mhz signal.
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hospital this one female patient has passed away. no information on if this was an adult or a student. we don't have that information at this time, but still knowing the they had two patients that came into the hospital in critical condition originally. that we do know. not clear if this one female is one of the ones who was critical that has now passed away. >> that is incredibly sad news. two still in critical condition. that's correct, stephanie? >> not clear if two are still in critical condition or if she was one of the patients that was in critical and has now passed away. but we'll keep trying to get that information out as we get ready for this press conference where hopefully we will learn more information about the situation and about the shooter. just sad news to pass on to the people in santa clarita who are already devastated by this happening but now knowing one life has been lost as well.
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>> there are still others in the hospital. our thoughts and players are with them and we're hoping for the best. we'll try to get you any information as warranted. california senator kamala harris is joining me on the phone. senator harris, you know this place, you know california well. your thoughts right now? >> just tragic, anderson, it's just tragic. you know, this is the fear of our children, and i say that because i was raised to believe that the children of the community are the children of the community, and our kids are living in fear. wherever they live, they are living in fear and this is yet again another reason why they are so afraid that literally they will die. i mean, it's just -- it's tragic in the most fundamental way, it is tragic. it is senseless. it is unnecessary.
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it's devastating. and that poor child and her family and the classmates and all of the kids. i mean, anderson, it's the new normal. do you know that literally our kids, american kids, and their parents are looking up how to buy bulletproof backpacks. they are going to school every day having drills where they are being taught how to hide in a closet in the event there is a mass shooter. they sit in classrooms trying to figure out, is this the safest classroom to be in if the shooter -- if there's a shooter? because i know in my humanities class, there is a bigger closet. these are the conversations i've had with our kids. they are having conversationconversations -- i've had high school age kids come up to me crying, saying, i don't want to die.
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it's devastating. >> there is a numbness to this, i think, in some orders as well. it's a horrific numbness of people looking up at a tv screen, seeing this yet again, and it just seems like it goes on and on and on. >> you're right. i love to share villanueva, the sheriff's department and the first responders. there's been an multi-agency response to this and i give them all praise for the work they've done to contain the situation, and they're now attempting to e unite the children with their families. you're right, there's been an acceptance of this tragedy. we should all agree that we will never -- we should never predict that this might happen. this should be unpredictable. this should not be normal. we should not have drills on a
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constant basis because we have good reason to believe these things might happen. we have to stop it. there has to be an end to this. >> have you heard the type of weapon involved? i understand -- i talked to the sergeant of the sheriff's office who said they actually located a weapon, but it wasn't clear at that time what kind of weapon it was and whether the shooter had a weapon on him when he was apprehended. >> i don't know the type of weapon, and you and i both know early details are often different than what we will eventually learn about the situation. i do know there is a self-inflicted wound. this is what i've heard reported in terms of the shooter himself. but other than that, i don't know yet. >> we're told, though, the shooter is in custody, as far as we know is alive at this point, and there have been conflicting reports. >> that's correct.
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>> what do you say to people who are watching this right now? >> well, to the families of the studen students, i say -- i feel awful about what has happened, and to the families, of course we want to support them in any way possible. we have to, as a society, agree this has got to stop. over 80% of the mass shootings that have occurred in the united states have occurred because of assault weapons or what is used as an assault weapon. i don't know what was used in this shooting, but as a general matter, over 80% of mass shootings involve assault weapons which are designed to kill a lot of human beings quickly. i know there was a report that was repleasleased within the we believe, where there has been an analysis of what is involved in
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these mass shootings, and as a general matter, again, tragically, as a general matter, they happen within minutes. it is because of the use of weapons of war that can kill a lot of people quickly. so the obvious point is that part of what we all have to say is enough is enough and we need reasonable gun safety laws in our country. just stop with the nonsense. stop with the nonsense. we support the second amendment, but there is no reason for weapons of war to be on the streets of a civil society. it has to be part of the response that we agree is just a reasonable, rational and humane response to these tragedies. >> senator harris, i'm sorry we're talking under these circumstances. i appreciate your time. >> thank you, anderson. thank you. i want to go with our nick watt who is standing by at the scene. nick, what do you see? >> reporter: anderson, i just want to give you an update on the condition of those victims.
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as stephanie reported, one female victim has now died, and we're told from the two hospitals where those victims were taken. two male patients remain in critical condition, another male patient in good condition. at the other hospital, two patients, one in good and one in fair. the shooter himself is injured, is in hospital being treated as this investigation continues. it's upsetting hearing senator harris say kids are debating what classes to take because of the closet space. we've heard the children were communicating with their friends by texting becau ining and we h were hiding in closets at the time. students said they heard one shot, fired by four more in the central quad of the school, after which the shooter fled.
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that is what struck even deeper fear into this community. there are other schools in the area, and the fear was he could have gone to one of those. they put them on lockdown, he was not. what you see behind me are a lot of these students being vac waited out of the area. authorities also wanting to speak to theechz potential witnesses in this shooting. it's a delicate situation to get the information they need to fully investigate this crime. again, as senator harris said, this is just too common an incident now in these schools. these kids are shocked, but i hate to say it, but at some point they could have almost suspected this to happen somewhere, if not in their own school. this campus, we are told by authorities, is what's called an open campus, so there was possibly no metal detectors for
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kids going into the school, but the investigation is still in the early stages. we are told authorities are searching that suspect's home. the suspect is in hospital, he is not dead. he is being treated in custody at the hospital. anderson? >> do we know or has the sheriff's office confirmed the circumstances of the suspect's injury? was this a self-inflicted wound that was not fatal, or was it a -- do we know? >> it appears to be that way, but there has been conflicting information floating around. there were sources rgs. that has been revised to say the suspect has just been injured. the belief at the time was this was an inflektd wounds.
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>> it's as important to point out what with do not know because there is a lot of conflicting information, a lot of different agencies working, a lot of different witnesses to account for. we'll continue it. people watching, often conspiracy theories are born r if you haven't been involved in any of these, it's just chaos with many different law enforcement agents. >> action beats reaction. the shooter gets to determine the first move. once that happens, law enforcement is then having to respond to an often chaotic situation. as you mentioned, information is flowing at a rapid pace. if you're an armed officer or member of leadership, the battle
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you're having internally is, should i release? do i need to get out there so have the public understand what's going on. a couple are compared with what you want to keep close to the vest. we will know exactly what transpired where you law enforcement. the tragic news, the one female victim, we don't know if it was a student or who. one male is in good condition, one in fair. and the shooter is also being treat treated. when you have a shooter that has left the scene, which we believe this shooter did, that adds a whole other layer of panic and
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confusion for law enforcement because you do not have a crime. >> absolutely. we know in this post-columbine era, police will not go to the sound of that gunfire. if the gunfire has stopped and a shooter is now fleeing, officersly. >> we have students who are fleeing. they're trying to figure out who mip approximate. there is a manhunt. those are often over very quick quickly. >> you also have to realize one of the shooters -- that's why i try not to use the shooter's name or their image -- they
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study other shooters and sort of try to build on what other shooters have done. for columbine, there were attempts to have explosive devices. so law enforcement has to go into this, r. ly. even going to the home, you have to be concerned about some devices devices. >> senator harris just to work. there were casualties and they don't know what's on the or side of that door, a device or something to hurt them. we do know that the methodical
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they told you to come and wait for him. >> that's him. >> answer it, please. >> sean? sean, where are you, honey? okay, just stay at the church. they moved them over to the church next door, all the kids. i am. >> is it within walking distance? >> it is. we're going to walk over to you right now, okay? they walked you to the church to put you on a bus to bring you next door? that doesn't make sense. our car is parked there. can you just stay there, sean, and we'll walk there to you. okay? okay. i'm going to walk to get you. don't move, please. you just need to be in my arms right now, okay? okay. i'll be right there, son. i love you. >> a lot of conversations like
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that happening in santa clarita this morning. joining me now is state assembly member christa smith, a resident of santa clarita and also a local school board member. i just wonder what you think of seeing this happen in your community. >> it's a devastating day, anderson. all of us locally at every school district level engaged in the process of local law enforcement and teaching teams training children for what we thought might be possible but hoped would never occur here. to see it here today is utterly did he ev devastating to all of us. sdp >> there are conflicting reports about the shooter being in custody. the l.a. county sheriff said the shooter is in custody at the hospital. earlier there were reports from some law enforcement sources saying the shooter was in fact
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dead. we don't know details. we're waiting for a press conference on that. have you heard anything from law enforcement? >> no, i've heard those conflicting reports. i just arrived on the scene for the press komconference, so i'm hoping we will get an update from law enforcement, but we do know, i think at a minimum, that the shooter is injured and possibly deceased. >> the response by law enforcement, as you have been watching it, it seems like there were police -- one police officer was said to be dropping off their own child when he or she heard shots. it seems like they were on the scene very, very quickly. >> they were. i mean, we can always count on our law enforcement for a rapid response. and today they certainly didn't let us down. the school district was very pleased at how many officers were on scene as quickly as they were, and then of course our first responders to triage those who were injured and needed medical attention.
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so, you know, never a shortage as gratitude to our first responder community here in santa clarita. >> it is extraordinary. we're seeing a helicopter shot of several hundred students in the field obviously in the process of uniting kids with their family members is ongoing. but it just gives you a sense of there are 3,000 kids at this school, give or take. the ripple effects of something like this in their lives, it's impossible to kind of calculate that. >> it is, it is. and the ripple effects for families across our community, a number of neighboring schools for good reason immediately went on lockdown and we're talking children as young as five years old. as i said, our law enforcement community and our educators have stepped up and we taught our
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units about lockdown and we told our kids we'll do our best to keep them safe. we were prepared but we hoped we would never see this day. my heart goes out to all our community members, our families. we're a very tight-knit community already coming together and supporting each other and thinking of ways to support the victims' families. this kind of tragedy is unnecessary and senseless. we need gun control regulation across the country. california has pushed the envelope in this respect, and yet there is a background check measure sitting on mitch mcconnell's desk that has gone nowhere. to those across this country who are tone deaf, it's just a matter of time before it's your community. we have all got to come together as americans and put our children first and their safety first. >> christa smith, i'm sorry we met under these circumstances.
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i was going -- coming out of my house to go get my coffee, and i saw all kinds of kids running up the street screaming, crying, yelling. really saddened my heart, you know. they were saying, can we go in your house? there must have been 20 of them went in my house. i wanted to make sure they were safe. so we got them in there and i told my wife we would watch them. my wife was watching them, and i came down here because my granddaughter goes to this school and i was really concerned about her. so there was nothing i could do because they were still in the school at that time. and then i guess i saw them being herded out down there. they took them over to central park, lots of children, and i was out here with my neighbor, and he's a police officer and lives across the street from me, and we wer directing the traffic down here so that people wouldn't -- i wanted to make sure nobody got shot or nothing.
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we had no idea where he was. and so we did that for a while, and then after that, when i saw them get herded out, he said, it would probably be good you could find your granddaughter over there now. so i walked over to central park, and the other grandma was over there in her car. she pulled up and we both got there about the same time. next thing i know, my granddaughter threw her arms around me and was hugging me. i was so happy she was still alive. >> so happy she was still alive. i'm anderson cooper. we're following breaking news out of southern california. there has been a shooting at saugus high school in santa clarita just north of los angeles. at least six people were transported pho tto the hospita. the suspect reportedly in custody, no longer a threat. some conflicts on the suspect. some law enforcement sources had indicated that he had died of a
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self-inflicted wound, but the sheriff's department has put out a statement saying the suspect is in custody at the hospital being treated. so we're waiting for details of that. a news conference is expected at any time. i want to go to our stephanie elam for the very latest. stephanie? >> i imagine some of that conflict in information is maybe why this news press has been pushed back a little bit, anderson. i do want to get some clarity on what we know about the patients in that we do know one female has passed away according to hen ro ma-- henry mayo hospital. they have two males and one is in good condition. an email went out from saugus high school, and in that email they have a report that several students were transported to local area hospitals. we didn't know if this was perhaps all students, maybe some teachers or staff at saugus high
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school, but according to this email here, it would appear that what we're looking at is this may have been fellow students, and the suspect may have been targeting other students at the school. law enforcement wants to be sure these kids aren't witnesses to anything that can help them. along with that, while this is happening, the governor of california, gavin newsom coming out with a statement saying, quote, i am closely monitoring the incident at saugus high school in santa clarita this morning, and my organization is working closely with local law enforcement. he goes on to extend thoughts and prayers from his wife and him to the parents, family and friends of the students and faculty and the santa clarita community. the threat has been neutralized, but the wounds in this community
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about 30 minutes north of l.a. proper, they're going to be there lifelong for so many of these people that were there for this as people are just now getting back to their loved ones and realizing they made through this, but there is so much emotional damage they're dealing with. >> one family's life will never be the same, the family of one young woman we know has died. i want to go to nick watt who is at the scene. nick, from this overhead as we await this press conference, you're seeing the podium set up by the l.a. county sheriffs. as we await that press conference, we're also seeing scenes of -- this school has 3,000 kids in it or so. it is a long process getting them cleared and then getting them reunited. >> reporter: yeah, it absolutely is, anderson. of course, that's just extra anxiety for those kids that want to see their parents and those parents who desperately want to see their kids. now, this was a scene behind us where they were evacuating those kids on buses. that has now been completed.
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and i just want to update you that the lockdowns on all of these schools have now been lifted, and just on the condition of those victims, as stephanie mentioned, one confirmed dead. we are hearing from providence holy cross hospital that the two victims there, one in good, one in fair condition, both of those people are now talking. now, as stephanie mentioned as well, we are hoping to get more details from this press conference which they have been pushing back and pushing back perhaps as they clarify what details they have. that is expected to start any second, and we will get some more information. in the meantime, i've been speaking to some students, some of whom were on their way to school when they got a call from friends who were at school saying, don't come. turn around, there is a shooter, there is a shooter. one young woman said to me, who is a sophomore, she said, yes, this does happen at schools around the country, but it's
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never happened here in our valley. it is just shock, shock. that is what she said, anderson. >> yeah. hopefully more information coming soon from this news conference. we'll take a quick break and be right back. significantly clearer skin. tremfya® may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms or if you had a vaccine or plan to. serious allergic reactions may occur. tremfya®. uncover clearer skin that can last. janssen can help you explore cost support options.
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we continue to follow the breaking news. we are still awaiting a press kom conference. we're told it's moments away. this is a press conference from law enforcement with the latest on the investigation. we know one person has died, a female, one of six who was taken to area hospitals, two others are said to be in critical condition at this point. i want to play some sound just in. the mother who you heard from a little bit earlier if you were listening talk to her son on the phone, right now there are thousands of students waiting to be reunited with their parents. part of the problem is, and the holdup is, all the students at the school, some 3,000, have to be interviewed by police just to see if they witnessed anything, if they saw anything that might be important for an investigation later on. it's a laborious process. it's going to take time.
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this is one mom who has just been reunited. >> reporter: so you heard the shotsment did you know they were shots? >> yeah, because it was really loud. i didn't know if it was anything else, i thought they were shots so i just went to the classroom. >> reporter: so you were in -- what area and where do you think the shots were coming from? >> i was walking towards the quad, which i guess is where it happened. that's where i normally hang out and i was just going in there. i heard the shots so i ran back to the room that i was. >> reporter: you've been on lockdown for a long time this morning. what was going on there? what were the kids saying and doing? >> we were just all texting our parents and calling thecm, telling them we were in a room and we were fine. we were just trying to keep quiet and not make noise. >> reporter: because you weren't sure if you were safe yet? >> yeah. we weren't sure until our coach got a call that the gunman left campus and they're just trying to clear the buildings out, and they cleared our building out. after that i felt safe, you
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know, just knowing we were around all the cops, so it was good. >> you're still shaking and it's not cold out here. you're still shaking. why? >> i don't know. i think it's just relief. like i said earlier, there is no real sense of knowing that your child is safe until you have your child in your arms and know that they're safe. i think i was just trying to calm down now. >> reporter: do you feel like you have comprehended what happened here? we don't know who has been hurt or what exactly happened, but it's still kind of hard to even make sense of, isn't it? >> yeah, i don't know what happened. i don't know why these things happen, they just do. it was just the comfort of having my teammates and my coach around us. we ended up all joining hands and praying in the room with our coach. he led us in a prayer to just calm us down and have the comfort of just knowing we were okay. >> reporter: there was a little bit of confusion to get to your mom. your mom and i walked back and
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forth trying find you. what happened with all that? >> well, they took us to the gym, then they said we're going to the church, then they said we're going to central park. it was just all confusion until they let us on the bus and we ended up getting dropped off here. so yeah. >> reporter: when you saw your mom, tell us what that was like. >> i felt happy to see my mom knowing i was safe. i didn't know what to do. honestly, i was a little scared at first, but just having the comfort of teammates calmed me down. we settled down -- we went through it together. >> reporter: you have your tough 16-year-old son. they're always your baby, aren't they? >> yes. he'll be my baby forever. >> reporter: i'm glad you're okay. thank you for talking to us. we'll be thinking about you guys, okay? >> thank you. >> take care, sean. >> one family reunion that is happening and thousands of
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moments like that, josh campbell. at this point, we don't -- there is conflicting information about the shooter, the condition of the shooter. there were earlier reports several scene reporters got from several sources that the shooter had died of a self-inflicted scene. the police put out a report saying the shooter was in custody in the hospital. we're waiting for the latest information. regardless of that, the investigation is already well underway and will continue regardless of the condition of the shooter. >> that's right. they presumably positively identified this person. they started that investgation into him. if the person is alive, then it gives him the potential opportunity to question the motive. there are questions i have which mayor may not be at this press conference, the first being were there any witnesses that provided information to officers about what the person may have said in the moments before the shooting? was he there to target a
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particular shooting, just random, or was he there to cause massive loss of life? then the type of weapon that was used, that's something we need to know. we've seen types of high-powered weapons used in others, and we don't know what was used here, but i think it's incumbent to get that information. >> the sheriff i talked to said that they had recovered a weapon at the scene and at that point the shooter was still unaccounted for. so if there was some sort of injury or wound, it wasn't clear if the shooter had another weapon on him. at this point, the people who are in the hospital, will they have already positive identifications on them so their parents can be notified? i hate for these kids to be in the hospital and their parents don't know.
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>> that's the problem, we don't know. and all those people have to be interviewed and we don't know who all the victims are. we don't know their current statement if they're lucid and can provide their names and information. if they're in a different state, it's harder for officers to identify them. a lot of questions that relate to what's occurred. presumably officers know right now what the status of this person is, and i expect we'll hear that when we hear from the press conference. >> we're still waiting for the press conference. we'll take another quick break and be right back. at bayer, we're more than a healthcare company.
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as we await the news conference about this deadly school shooting in california, we're also following developments in the historical impeachment hearings of president donald trump. those depositions started off with william taylor, taylor telling congress that the president put pressure on ukraine to dig up dirt on his rivals before getting military
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aid. that may have been bigger than previously known. >> in the presence of my staff in a restaurant, ambassador sondland called the president and told him of his meetings in kiev. a member of my staff could hear the president on the phone asking ambassador sondland about the investigations. mr. sondland told president trump the ukranians were ready to move forward. following the call with president trump, the member of my staff asked ambassador sondland what president trump thought about ukraine. mr. sondland responded that president trump cares more about the investigations of biden, which giuliani was pressing for. >> the impeachment schedule is packed with 11 witnesses set to testify this and next week. for tomorrow, though, all eyes will be on a single witness, the only person who was fired in the entire saga. marie yovanovitch at the time was known to fight corruption in
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investigating the bidens, and appoint and remove as he wishes. senior congressional correspondent manu raju is on capitol hill. nancy pelosi gave a press conference earlier. what are people saying today? >> reporter: democrats believe that they have got more evidence to back up the notion that the president may have abused his power in office. nancy pelosi using the words "bribery" today to explain exactly her view of what the president did as it came to holding up military aid to ukraine demanding these investigations and democrats raising new questions today about gordon sondland's testimony, revealing that conversation overheard but one of his aides and trump asking for investigations into the bidens in that conversation that apparently occurred with gordon sondland. i talked to a number of democrats who listened to this behind closed doors a number said he misled the committee
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about his interactions with trump. >> do you think that gordon sondland was truthful to your committee? >> not completely. he certainly had gaps in either his memory or in his testimony. >> i think it's fair to say that that testimony wasn't fully candid and left out very important parts of what we now know to be true. >> reporter: misled the committee? >> i think he misled the committee. >> reporter: do you believe gordon sondland was truthful? >> he was not truthful. it's pretty obvious. i think he shades a lot of truth from his answers and i think he's going to have to paper for it. >> reporter: so anderson, tomorrow is a significant day not just marie yovanovitch testifies in open session, but in the afternoon, closed door session, the aide who overheard the conversation testifying behind closed doors with three
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committees investigating the president's conduct. we'll see what he ultimately tells lawmakers and what new questions for gordon sondland when he testifies next week. >> and manu, when nancy pelosi spoke, asked a question, talking about republicans which is that all of these witnesses, it's all just hearsay, she would not respond to that? >> reporter: yes. she said i'm not goieven going deg in dignify that question. whether she would pursue these firsthand witnesses, john bolton, mick mulvaney, would they fight to get their testimony before moving forward on impeachment. the message sent clearly, that is not the route democrats want to go. they feel they have more than enough evidence to point the finger to the president going down a road for a court fight is not what democrats have in mind
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right now. >> thank you. this idea, this timeline is for the democrats, it's essential they don't want this pushing into the elections. >> it's essential, because they decided it's essential. there is nothing legal or constitutional that says you have to wrap this up by end of the year, but that's what nancy pelosi and her team has decided they want this, they want next year to talk about substantive issues. a lot of people think that's not the right think. think it's worth it to spend more time -- >> to hear from a john bolten and do a more extensive investigation, but that's the choice they've made and that is -- that looks like how they're proceeding. >> nancy pelosi seemed to be kind of opening the door or at least discussing other charges from the mueller report? >> right. she did. she seemed to be today, curious to me. she seemed to be broadening her reach a little bit, and she also
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seemed to be broadening her messaging, which was, it's not quid pro quo complicated for people to understand much more simple, it's bribery. this is clearly what year heal from democrats over and over again now. it's bribery. we know because adam schiff said it over and over again. every time you have somebody refusing to testify for us we're going to add it to obstruction charges believing it's obstructive and she made the case every democrat has said, talking hearsay guys and say the whistle-blower is hearsay, you not getting the whistle-blower but be you want firsthand knowledge what the president said bring those people up before us to testify anytime. we'll take them. >> departure from quid pro quo is is a welcome development not just for those of us having trouble pronouncing it, because in my experience more americans speak english than latin and it's better to say bribery or
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california. i'm jake tapper in washington. that tragic school shooting just north of los angeles in santa clarita has turned deadly. a female victim has been killed according to a hospital spokesperson. she was among six victims taken to the hospital after the school shooting. her identity has not yet been released. the gunman is believed to be a 15-year-old male student. the l.a. county sheriff's office se says the student is in custody and also in the hospital. a lockdown at all surrounding schools was just lifted a short time ago. we expect an update from authorities any moment now on the latest. the shooting happened at saugus high school just before classes were supposed to start. students inside described the moments they heard gunfire. >> we were waiting outside of the locker room because it wasn't open yet, and all of a sudden, like, we were with all of
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