and the others. didn't they lie? i'll be back at 1 11 p.m. i'll hand it over to chris cuomo for "prime time." >> have a great weekend, well deserved. the first weekend of public impeachment brings major new evidence just today. tonight we have our best investigative and legal minds to test all the different angles that arose including a cnn exclusive that will be first here on primetime, new reporting on rudy giuliani's associates in a never-before-known connection to president trump, putting them at the heart of this ukraine scheme. why did an indicted man with a james bond-style mission for our president? what do you say? let's get after it.

>> look, it happened just this weekend. it's been so long. just this evening we got firsthand testimony showing president trump knew about the push for investigations and was monitoring the pressure campaign on ukraine. how do we know? a state department aide who says he and two others, okay, that's called corroboration, that they heard president trump on a call with ambassador sondland the day after the july 25th call between the two presidents. i then heard president trump ask "so he's going to do the investigation?" ambassador sondland implied that he's gonna do it, adding that president zelensky will do anything you ask him to. after the call ended, david holmes, asked is it true the president doesn't give a [ bleep ] about ukraine?

ambassador sondland agreed that the president did not, saying the president only cared about big stuff. what was big stuff? good question. sondland replies by big stuff he means what benefits, the president, like the biden investigation that mr. giuliani was pushing. so we've now heard from three respected officials who were all deeply concerned about how this president was pinching ukraine for what they all saw as campaign assistance. however, testimony aside, the worst move of the week for the president's defense came from the man himself. while former ambassador yovanovitch told her story of being smeared by giuliani, trump proved why she was concerned by trashing her on twitter in realtime. chairman schiff hears about the tweet, shows it to yovanovitch

while she's still under oath and she calls the president's tactic very intimidating. republicans tried to taint people of integrity as deep state sneaks, yet another assets went down. who? roger stone. he became a convicted felon today. a jury convicted the president's long-time political adviser on all counts, mainly lying to and obstructing congress. if the charges withstand any appeals, that would make mr. stone the seventh trump person convicted of or admitting to lying to investigators. so all this is swirling in the air. it's all very troubling to the president, so much that he tweets an attack in realtime during testimony. but then what happens? mr. trump ignores advice from the pentagon and just tonight pardons two officers and restored the rank of a third, all facing war crime

allegations. the leadership of the defense department reportedly made every effort to convince him not to do this. so why did he do it, especially tonight? another distraction? maybe. but we have our eye on what matters. let's bring in our investigators, mr. mccabe and mr. bacon. i know i didn't get anything grossly wrong because i saw heads nodding when we look at this week overall, we have this dovetailing of law and facts. the political part, not your bailiwick. but in terms of what came out and what it manifests in the case going forward, big spots for you. >> the big spot was what you just talked about, what does the big stuff mean in that conversation that mr. holmes testified about this evening. >> the conversation with the ambassador. they heard it because the

president was speaking so loudly, the ambassador had the phone away from his head, they heard the president, very identifiable voice, they said the big stuff is ukraine, he's asking about the investigation. so what? >> it means stuff that benefits the president personally. that's what this is all about. this is about the president abusing his authority. he has authority to do lots of things with respect to the foreign relations of the united states, but he doesn't get to benefit himself personally over the interests of the united states. that's the problem. that's what the abuse is. he's doing it for himself, to keep himself in power, to help himself politically. that's one of the things that really jumped out to me. >> sondland's a bum. i don't know him. i don't know what he's talking about. even if all of that stuff is true from his perspective, what's wrong with going after the bidens? yovanovitch, kent, taylor all said biden being on that board

was a potential concern for us. so it was for the president. >> here's the problem. presidents doesn't get after american citizens overseas by casting them on to the mercy of a federal government. if the president thought he had done something illegal, the way to handle it was to make the rf referral to the department of justice. to shows us he was doing it to collect opposition evidence on the bidens. >> so it's not the what, it's the how. if you want to go after the biden, fine, you've got a specific treaty with ukraine, you got your man there at the d.o.j., mr. barr, burr you dot want your hands on it. is that what you think this comes down to? >> it's clear that they wanted the president and his -- mr. giuliani and others wanted the ukrainian president just to go and say something on cnn.

>> an announcement the. >> and announce it. that was the key thing they were after. no matter what happened with the investigation, if it took two years and they never found anything, that would be irrelevant. it's the fact that the existence of it during the election period. >> i think yovanovitch is a bum, she stunk in somalia, she stunk everywhere. how isintimidati intimidation. >> she was number three of american patriots who sat in that hearing room over the last couple of days and showed what true sacrifice and commitment to this government means. the big takeaway for me was i kick myself for not having built my cases in the fbi with witnesses who were from the state department because they were incredible. great recollection, backed up with contemporaneous notes, incredible detail, things you could corroborate in their stories if you were going to go deeper and more expansive in the investigation. all three did really well. the key with yovanovitch, she is

essentially the victim in this case. when you put a criminal case on trial, if possible you always want to have the victim testify, even if the victim doesn't have direct evidence of the guilt, you want them to testify because it personalizes the crime. that's what yovanovitch did today in this hearing. >> they say maybe witness intimidation is another article of impeach. everybody says he can do it any way he wants. we did veeresearch. mal-administration, if you do it in a way that alies your abuse of power as president, you could be impeached for that as well. >> they talked about that when they were framing the stus and decided to not clou clu that phrase and came up with treason, bribery, high crimes and

misdemeanors instead. >> it's intended to cover a range of abuses of office. that's what it's about, abusing your office for bad reasons to be determined by congress. the house and the senate need to figure it out as time evolves. >> it's interesting. >> but he just doesn't get to do whatever he wants with the office, use that power any way he wants to. >> it was interesting to see the republicans shift from nothing happened because everything turned out okay to this is okay because of who biden is. they haven't even gotten the heavy artillery next. i will rely on you both, rest up this weekend. >> we do have some breaking additional ukraine news on our watch. sources are telling our vicky ward about a secret meeting

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he later bragged about his secret mission for the president in ukraine. how did he get that idea, is it a legitimate idea? cnn's vicky ward is breaking this news. thank you, especially on a friday night, for being with us. let's start with the assumption. the president says i don't know him. i don't know what rudy was doing with this guy, ask rudy. you say? >> i say my reporting shows that last december hanukkah party at the white house, over 500 republican donors, lev parnas, igor fruman, the two gentlemen trump claims not to know went with rudy giuliani into a room with the president where they strategized about shadow foreign policy in ukraine. this is the first time that we know of that the president directly talked to lev parnas. this is according to lev parnas, according to what he told two

sources contemporaneously, that lev parnas who speaks fluent russian, chris, would be tasked with going to ukraine where he and i gore fruman have contacts high up in the government to give them the president's message. lev parnas talked about this as a secret mission, a crusade. he said i'm working for the big guy in ukraine, in government circles it was widely known he had had this white house meeting, that he was backed by the president. >> so rudy's lawyer comes back and says this guy's delusional, this meeting never happened. why should we believe it did? >> well, as i said to rudy's lawyer, how come rudy giuliani spent so much time with mr. parnas and mr. fruman and not only that was tied in with them financially? furthermore, you do see this

secret mission take start. and in its early stages it's quite successful. lev parnas and igor fruman about and meet with parashenco you need to announce the investigation and in turn p return there will be a state visit. he gets an interview in which he says we're going to start investigations in april. but it all goes wrong when the woman of the moment, maria yovanovitch, who testified today, is fired. she is fired, as we know, because lev parnas and igor fruman and rudy giuliani pushed for her to be fired. they had financial interests they perceived her to be an

obstacle to. once she's fired, it's like everybody finally woke up. >> what does that tell you in the new reporting? >> what does the new reporting tell us about what we should believe at this point? >> i think it's what's concerning about the new reporting is that it puts the president firmly in the lev parnas/igor fruman camp much earlier than the july 25th phone call when he gets on the phone and there's talk of a quid pro quo. there was this idea of a quid pro quo, what are we going to do in ukraine back in december? >> parnas wants to speak. he has new representation. there's a whole story that you and earthed about why he and fruman don't have the same counsel anymore. they can read it online if they want. but he says he wants to talk to regularors. they are going to need to destroy parnas, which this president seems to like to do

very much, waeshd or not. the problem is if they go after parnas too hard, do they risk throwing rudy under the bus with him? >> well, you're entirely right. lev parnas really wants to talk to investigators and, you know, what -- >> he was very insulted that the president said he didn't know him. and that when he got indicted the president went bad on him. >> what's so interesting is at the eastbound of the day he's a very emotion alg man. if the president hadn't said he didn't know him, he might not now have turned. lef barn as worshiped the big guy. >> a very charismatic man being that close to someone that powerful with make you have strong feelings for people and make you do just about everything. >> until the president doesn't really know you, has got nothing to do with you.

the president turned on lev parnas and now lev parnas wants to stand up and tell his story. rather like michael cohen, he's a flawed person. he's not got a perfect track record but his counsel will argue it doesn't mean they don't have a true story to tell. >> one person who will have to read it very closely, which many of you may not think, ambassador sondland because this could be his future. if he has one understanding of what and what he did. helping us understand what's in the morias a little bit better. there's an exclusive. you'll see it on cnn.com. did republicans just risk losing their biggest line of attack on the open impeachment hearings. i'm going to bring back in a gop lawmaker who says there's reason

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. so one week in, congress has heard from three people saying they were concerned by how the president's lawyer and others went about trying to get investigates into the bidens. we just heard from a fourth tonight behind closed doors but the reporting is and statement they put out said that the president's pal said that trump only cares about the bidens. the republican was in the hearing room today.

any new concerns? congressman, welcome back to "prime time." may i salute you and by extension all those republicans in the hearings today how you treated profession treated maria yovanovitch today. what did you make of what came out today if. >> you know, what i saw was something, maria yovanovitch, and the democrats are trying to make it all about her being a victim. she got removed from office from her position. as we all know, that's at the discretion of any president and president obama's done that in the past. all presidents remove people for whatever reason. they don't have to have just cause. and so i thought it was not a lot came out of that hearing is what i took out of that. >> so you're right that of course a president can -- people serve at the pleasure of the president in that capacity that we're talking about as an

ambassador. however, if it is true that the reason yovanovitch was speared by giuliani and his two associates and she was in the way of getting what they wanted in ukraine, does that concern you as an abuse of office? >> no because if you read further and you read other testimonies, she was a friend of president poroshenko and president zelensky felt her loyalty was to him -- >> do we know she was actually a friend of poroshenko? i do not remember her -- we don't think she's a plant, right? >> well, she was born in canada -- >> ut oh. >> with ukrainian and russian parents. we've seen many a stories and read many reports on that. >> but, congressman, do you in any way believe she may not be loyal to this country? are we doing another vindman here? >> i did not say that.

you brought that up. >> you brought up that she was born in canada and she's got ukraine parents. >> you brought up she may not be loyal to this president. there's reports that president poroshenko wrote her letters saying how he supports her. those are facts that are out there. so again it goes back to does president trump or any president have root right to remove somebody and the answer is yes. >> but there is such a thing as malle administration and we went through this once before. >> if there's maladministration, all of congress is guilty. >> i'll take that as an admission of guilt. dual live noted. just to be clear about this because this does matter, you do not think that former ambassador yovanovitch has any marks on her character or her loyalty to this country in. >> that's a tough question. i mean -- >> really? >> i can go back to when she got

approved by the senate under the obamas who groomed her and fold what to say or vice president biden and his son. was she withholding information? i don't know. what does she know at that time. >> why was she good enough for reagan and bush? >> times change. that was presidents ago. and new information came out. yp. you'd have to ask her and that would start a whole new investigation. >> she was confirmed under bush, she started under reagan and now you have questions about her loyalty. >> i'm not questioning her loyalty. i'm just telling you that president poroshenko, he wrote the letter saying how he really liked her and he approved of her. president zelensky didn't feel comfortable with that kind of loyalty to poroshenko. so that's what goes thoo this factor today. and i think that got back to president trump. president trump may have had

other reasons, it sounded like he did so he removed her. that's really -- how does that factor into what the democrats are trying to do, impeach a legitimate president and we're a year away from it. let the american people decide in the next election instead of sucking all the oxygen out of the room and we're not getting done what we need to for our nation. >> you're not getting what you're done what you need to pause you're playing to the fringe on each side. i think that i hear your argument and i did. the concern, it seems, is that this president wond stopped abusing his power this way. if he had come out and said i think what biden is and i'm doing that right now. you guys would be in a very different position. but he would not say that so it puts the onus on you. why was it okay to do it this

way? >> you're implying he did this to investigate biden. the way i see it, he was and putin even said that his people and the ukrainian -- >> i've heard this three times in the hearings and you seem to accept it as well. you really think there's a chance that russia -- you really think there's a chance that russia didn't interfere in the election, like the intelligence communities tell you, including trump's old appointees but that it was ukraine in. >> >> named russians. there are a somebody interfered in the elections -- >> not someone.

russians did it. that's why you guys put on the sanctions that you voted for in such unanimous fashion. that's why it was so insulting when the president stood next to putin, the man responsible compute tifl and said i don't believe them. i don't think they would do this. that's why it was so insulting to so many people. yes? >> you don't know context the president was in when he said that. it's like i don't want to get into this right now, we're dealing with these other issues. . >> let's go back to the impeachment. >> if you're going to question yovanovitch's loyalty, that didn't bother you when the president stood next to the man responsible for interfering in our election come, congressman, wrong. >> you said a few things about her. >> president zelensky said he didn't feel comfortable with >> zez thanked the president for selling him about the problem

right, but he also knows that jove vich had gotten letters from shore shen co saying how much he liked her and he felt h her. >> but what do we care what they say about the relative lef religion of the and work with them and have a good relation? >> absolutely. but we don't believe that's why trump said bad things about us. >> chris, country -- >> go ahead, sir. >> if president obviously he didn't feel comfortable with her

and president trump had other rinning, so he rebut none of this is impeachable. >> pell, it would be ebb but if you abuse your office for your own personal gain, that falls right into the category of malle administration many doing was aid withheld? >> to got paged of a you started is itting a the question is why?

>> i know, i'm talking about ukraine. >> because of the amount of corruption and there still is corruption in there and why should we give the americans hard-earned taxpayers to countries. i think if we send a strong signal say, you guys need to tighten up your act over there or we're not going to give you the 8. >> you should think that people who have corruption in your t d tlnd. >> absolutely. >> in the facts show this was done for political advantage and figure out what thee. >> chris, you take care. >> so let's bring in two top journalists on the impeachment

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. so president trump and his allies insist their dealings with ukraine were only about battling corruption so that everything they did was okay. today's witness dismantled that argument, one even drawing a

direct line to the president himself. and it's somewhat damning but where does it lead us? all-stars elena plot, phillip bump are here, thank you both, especially on a friday. >> ted is a good reflection of the state of play of how republicans want her. she was born in canada and you add it up, one and one and one is seven. what do you do with that in terms of what it tells us about where we are? >> obviously impeachment is inhere inherently a political issue. for all of the concerns about how much we focus on what the politics of this are, we need to pay attention to that. what we're seeing is something we've already known about trump is that he's given the presumption innocence by default. but whatever is thrown at donald

trump as seen as invalid, inapparently by his base. all thee needs to be able to do is come up with with a um could of talking points to diffuse what's out there and moving forward. they're quickly dismissed as inauthentic. >> what do you do with the sondland testimony, that the president was speaking so loudly that he had the phone away from his face and several of them heard the president say what's going to happen with the investigations and then sondland said to them afterwards, he only cares about the big stuff like the bidens. >> what you have to remember is that a key underpinning of the republican talking point defense right now is that nobody who has testified thus far has any

firsthand knowledge of the vaebts in question, particularly ironic of course because they have blocked. >> ak j who was actually there and listen to this call, which makes sondland's commonwealth next week, which will be will he confirm what he said in his opening statement? >> what if he doesn't? i mean, that is -- >> i'm sorry. can he keep himself safe and not do damage to the president? >> rchlts right. he told reporters i don't actually know sondland that well. he gave $1 million to his inauguration. >> and did he have this phone call with him? >> phone calls. terrorists in italy, pretty personal linkage there, creating

distance i think is a go-to trump move in moments like this. >> every time it happens, if it gets uncovered, like, he's in a picture, in a meeting. why was he so close to rudy? what does it do. >> all of us sitting here are very aware of what the evidence is that, donald trump acted in a way that is not typical for a president. we know that he had these conversations. we know that rooud rooud julie wanted to get in true be true? your conversation was very representative, as you said, of the fact that it's not as if there's new evidence that's going to come out, we just have to change his mind.

>> all of a sudden he remembered that i'm the guy who delivered -- this is the deal. . what does that change? what does that mean for this process civil? it just hard to say where any who don't want this to be an abuse of power that. you talk to republicans right now and they still feel quite confidentably the own thaubs. >> you're not going to get the

raiding, you're not going to get the bielding because this is the fire power next week. at the end of the next week they feel or they say i'm not impressed by any of this. some of the best minds in the business, appreciate you for my audien audience. >> phillip bump, and plewes owe stopped but then they were undercut in two big ways are by the president himself. that's the closing argument, the state of play next. relief s you powerfl for your worst cold and flu symptoms, on sunday night and every night. nyquil severe. the nightime, sniffling, sneezing, coughing, aching, stuffy head, best sleep with a cold, medicine. at verizon, we're building the most powerful 5g experience for america.

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sondland saying trump only cares about the biden investigation, and trump being caught on a call proving that, and the bully in chief proving himself why the former ambassador was worried about rudy giuliani's smear campaign. all came in real time. here's the tweet. she started off in somalia. how did that go? then fast forward to ukraine, where the new president spoke unfavorably about her in my second phone call with him. point of order -- zelensky thanked the president for giving him the information about yovanovitch. so he must have been smearing his own. so for all the efforts of his defenders to tamp down potential charges, he may have added one with that tweet. listen to schiff. >> it's very intimidating. i mean, i can't speak to what the president is trying to do, but i think the effect is to be intimidating. >> i want to let you know if

that's true, that some of us take witness intimidation very, very seriously. >> witness intimidation could be the basis for an article of impeachment in and of itself, as could something called mal-administration, mean the president has the right to remove yovanovitch. she serves at his pleasure. however, if the reasons for the removal betray an abuse of power, it could be impeachable. the president's disrespect trampled defenders' efforts to lay off the deep state b.s., unlike with taylor and kent, the republicans show the respect for yovanovitch. and in that way, they made some progress. they moved away from the absurd nothing happened here approach, to the nothing that yovanovitch and mr. kent both saw potential issues with biden's son being on the board of a ukraine company, thus there was a legitimate corruption concern for the

president to raise it. listen. >> they are blind to tblaring s of corruption, surrounding biden's position on the board while his fare served as vice president and point man for ukraine. >> side point. if it was that obvious, the republicans were in power in congress at that time. they were not exactly shy about investigating things, but here ago the big problem with the argument. it ignores how trump went about this legit question of corruption in such a non-legit way. if you think that biden was dirty, you go to bill barr, the attorney general and say, take a look. okay, you don't want to do it that overtly. the u.s. and ukraine actually have a specific treaty for investigations just like this, with setup protocols. no, you didn't do that. what the president did is insert

hi lawyer in a sneaky way, who worked with these indictment dieted people, who get more shady by the day, now saying the president tasked him in some james bond deal. the president says he doesn't know him. we have yet to hear testimony from anyone who is not troubled by how this was done and to what end. for all the griping by the right, it is their side, the white house, who is keeping mulvaney, bolton, maybe even documents from the president, away from these hearings. if it's so clear, put them in the chair, tell us what happened and why, so this can have some clarity for the country. but you did this for just an announcement, you're so worried about these guys that you don't want to give them money, but you trust them to investigate on just an announcement? it doesn't make sense. the big takeaway is obvious. maybe it's the president's

nonstop attacks on the people and the process. here's why. it could be a potential problem in the senate. why? the rules for the senate trial on any articles of impeachment are done by simple majority vote. that means if three of the republican senators -- and there are four that aren't running against or retiring, if i'm not going with your rules, i'm for the giving you a simple majority unless we get a secret ballot. what would that mean? the senate would act more like a jury in a criminal case. ballots are obviously cast in secret, right? that's the norm. if that were the case, former gop senator jeff flake says he thinking like 35 republicans would vote for removal. let's say it's not even close to that, but it might create jeopardy for this president and get you close to a two thirds majority. i know what you're thinking. i'm thinking it, too. these guys aren't going to stand behind their own votes?

they're not accountable? more poor transparency? i don't like it. i've got on you that, but here's the problem. here's the counter-argument. what about what the president is doing? he's intimidating everybody. we have to do it. this president's tactics he put on display today may be the reason for the biggsest risk in this process. what do you think? let me know on social media. two wig stories that may not seem related, but they are, that's the bolo, next. about vag for months. the roomba i7+ with clean base automatic dirt disposal and allergenlock™ bags that trap 99% of allergens, so they don't escape back into the air. if it's not from irobot, it's not a roomba™

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bolo means be on the lookout. remember this? i don't expect to be convicted. he was wrong. mr. stone found lying to and obstructing congress. that makes six trump folk

convicted for pleading guilty to essential lying, convicted or pleading guilty. we still have a long way to go in this indiana query, but some of the closest to the president, they have haven't offered answers about what they knew a what actually went down. be on the lookout. it searches as a clear warning, starting with ambassador sondland next week. if you like, you'll likely get caught. this president has saved no one to day. thanks for watching. with the man d-lemon. >> be on the lookout for all the best people. >> drain the swamp, and by drain, i mean put the biggest nastiest alligator that even you down the bayou way has