four firsthand witnesses means they saw, they heard, that's how they know. they've just raised the impeachment stakes. republicans may now be starting to regret calling two of them, particularly the former u.s. envoy to ukraine kurt volker. here's a taste of why. >> but the accusation that vice president biden acted inappropriately did not seem at all credible to me. i rejected the conspiracy theory that variety biden would have been influenced in his duties by vice president by money paid to his son. he's han honorable man that i hold in the highest regard. >> when he was talking about burisma, the company that had hunter biden on its board, which is no question a controversial decision, he said, oh, i didn't know that burisma meant biden. if i did, i would have said something at the time. we'll see how people take that. all eyes were also on a purple heart recipient this morning,

who was forced to fight back against republican smears on his loyalty. lieutenant colonel alexander vindman. in his opening he thanked his father for moving his family here from the soviet union when he was just a child and reassured his father, don't worry, i'll be fine, i'm telling the truth in america. and then this powerful follow. >> and why do you have confidence that you can do that and tell your dad not to worry? >> congressman, because this is america. this is the country i have served and defended, that all my >> thank you, sir. i yield back. >> not a lot of applause in that room today. it was something left, right and reasonable could all hold on to with meaning. congressman sean patrick maloney was questioning vindman there.

the intel member's with us now. thank you for doing this after a day of that kind of battle. appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> so going after witness credibility is always an aspect of any confrontational setting, but to go after a guy wearing a purple heart and then to bring in his superior morrison to suggest he went outside the chain of command, what did that mean to you as a tactic, that vindman isn't just the uniform, he may have ulterior motives. >> republicans didn't lay a glove on him about any of the substantive testimony he gave. he knew it was wrong and reported it. instead they come up with maybe you're not loyal to the united states because he emigrated here as a 3-year-old and his dad learned english and put three kids in the military. maybe you're not loyal even they you won't to iraq and end a purple heart in combat. one of my colleagues says what

you are doing wearing your uniform here today as if there's something inappropriate today. this is what republicans are left with when they can't talk about the facts. >> 3 years old he was here, three brothers in the military. they asked this guy three times to be the defense minister of ukraine. who does that? the president retweeted that from somebody's account. he wasn't tweeting himself this morning. hopefully everything's good with him but he just decided to stay quiet. what did you take from that? three times they asked. >> of course it was a half-baked joking offer we now know from the ukrainians because he has a connection to the country and they were so impressed with him they made this joking offer that he become the defense minister of ukraine. it's a way to insinuate he's not loyal. that's an old one in american politics. you heard the applause when he talked about his dad. you couldn't look at this guy

and not say thank god for guys like lieutenant colonel vindman who know right from wrong and when they see wrong have a larger loyalty to the country, not cover up for president trump. >> why did you think this is a big day? >> these are witnesses they asked for and they got hill. here's volker, who previously said i always just thought these were general corruption investigations. he comes in today and says in hindsig hindsight, i was wrong. burisma meant biden and if i had known it meant biden -- >> how could he not know? >> that's a great question. >> at the end of the day i asked him, gee, you missed it on about a half what dozen different occasions but we appreciate him coming in now saying in hindsight having heard all the testimony -- look, it was

giuliani feeding these things to him to change the statement that the ukrainian president was supposed to say. point being we appreciate that ambassador volker came forward and made clear what he knows it's wrong to ask for an investigation of the bidens. >> big member with volker from the other side, congressman stefanik. here's a little bit of their exchange. >> was there any reference to withholding aid? >> no. >> to bribery? >> no, to quid pro quo in. >> no, there was not. >> any reference to exextortion no, there was not. >> did your ukrainian counterparts mention the withholding of aid? >> no, they did not. >> any quid pro quo. >> no, they did not. >> did they mention bribery. >> no, they did not. >> the day after the call you met with president zelensky on july 26. in that meeting he made no mention of quid pro quo. >> no. >> he made no mention of

withholding the aid. >> no. >> of bribery. >> no. >> the ukrainians were not aware of this hold on aid. is that correct? >> that is correct. >> do you accept that in. >> they try to get these fact witnesses to jump to these legal conclusions. the witness's testimony, the factual testimony, which is all they can do, paints a very serious picture of president trump using taxpayer-funded military assistance to pressure a foreign leader to get help in his reelection. that's soliciting a bribe. they're not supposed to make those conclusions but their testimony is clear about burisma and the investigations, you heard mr. morrison talk about, hey, i ran to nsc legal when i heard the call, in his own word, the president, you saw vindman talking about i knew it was improper and the fact is the republicans are trying to jump

to the end and get these guys to make a legal conclusion they can't make because they can't talk about the facts. they can't talk about the devastating evidence that the president abused his office. >> the idea that the president honestly believes that ukraine had something to do with 2016, if that's true, that he honestly believes that the bidens were dird dirty, if that's true, does that remove the wrong doing? >> you heard them all say they would consider it inappropriate, president to pressure a foreign leader to investigate a political rival. you can just stop right there. the president can want help in his campaign all he wants but he can't use taxpayer dollars in a corrupt scheme to get a foreign leader to help him in that campaign. we got laws against that. it's a felony to seek foreign help in an american election and you can't go out and exchange an official act for a thing of

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it's our job to keep count, not yours, but more than a dozen witnesses have now testified as part of this impeachment investigation. there are people from across different government agency, stationed on different continents yet there is a lot of similarities among their stories. we're trying to help with all these names and different things being thrown at us in this. if you look along the left-hand columns. i'm not giving you all their titles. it's not relevant t. they're all in the mix. despite all the histrionics in the room today, look at the last column, clears trump. nobody has come in and said i heard the call, i knew what was going on and i was with the president and he did nothing wrong and nobody has come in in

that way. one big reason for that is this president won't let any of the people who can come into that room and say it with the most clear voice do it. for all the calls that we need firsthand experience from those on the right, the people who have it, they haven't asked for it once because they're going with the president, keeping pompeo, mulvaney and keeping who else do they want, mr. bolton and eisenberg keeping them quiet. let's bring in andrew mccabe and jim baker. andrew mccabe former deputy director of the fbi, jim baker former general counsel of the fbi, director of national security and cyber security of the r. street institute. gentlemen, appreciate it. i put up the chart because i'm trying to simplify that a lot of people say there's something that happened here that shouldn't have happened this way and, yes, it became aware they were asking me for the biden

stuff. volker says he didn't know burisma meant biden. i don't know. that's what he said. what's missing? >> what's missing, as you said before, a single witness to step forward and say i was aware of what happened, i heard what the president said, i understood what he meant by it and i think it was totally fine. >> what's missing on the side that says this is clearly impeachable? >> the witnesses they put forth aren't in a position to say that. these are fact witnesses. they are people who will say where they were, what they heard and what they got out of it. you got that today. very simple stories, they talked about beingin -- being on the phone call, both thought it was objectionable and vindman went and reported it to counsel right away. >> that's an interesting point. jim, let me tee up some sound

for you that seemed to play pretty relevant today with mr. morrison. so here is morrison talking about a call or an experience with ambassador sondland who is testifying tomorrow and it shows why there is so much heat on ambassador sondland. >> did you tell ambassador bolton about this conversation as well in. >> i've reached out to him as well and requested him availability for a secure phone call. >> and what was his response when you explained to him what ambassador sondland had said? >> tell the lawyers. >> did you go tell the lawyers? >> when i returned to the states, yes. >> did he explain to you why he wanted you to tell the lawyers? >> he did not. >> now, this shows one thing right away, jim, boy, do we need bolton. i don't want to hear what this guy was told. i want to know why bolton felt it that way, why he felt the need that this needed to be reported. sondland on a phone call saying if you want this aid, you want to get the meeting, you need to

give us the announcement on the investigations significance? >> ambassador bolton knew it was inappropriate. i think that's why he told everybody around to go see the lawyers. and the lawyers then had an obligation to figure out what to do. honestly, as a lawyer, i think it ibt upon us in those kind of situations to try to stop this. stop what is obviously inappropriate, in an effort to protect the president. i mean, if they are there presumably they agree with the president's agenda and they want him to succeed. and so they need to help him by saying, mr. president, no, you are can't do this, this goes too far. policy makers, people like mr. bolton or ambassador bolton in those kinds of situations are looking for the lawyers to help them steer the client, in this case the president, in the right direction. that's what we're supposed to do. that's what i did at the fbi to try to help people like andy make tough decisions because they need assistance. those are very, very hard and

demanding jobs and the lawyers need to step up. i have to say i don't think that this whole event has been a red letter day for the legal profession in terms of the lawyers who have touched this problem and house of representatives it's turned out. >> let me get your take on this from both of you here. let's say you're right, jim. let's say it wasn't a red letter day for the legal community and let's say the president says, you know what, that jim baker, he's a genius, i was not well advised, i'm new to all this and i think biden was dirty and they told me ukraine helped him out so i didn't want to give money to a corrupt place so that's the only reason i asked. nobody told me it was wrong. what becomes the bar between inappropriate and impeachable? >> well, the house has to decide that. the house ultimately is the one that decide based on all these facts, as andy was saying, all these fact witnesses can't be expected to make the ultimate determination. they're saying what happened, their assessment that it was

improper, that it was hurting the national security of the united states because it was interfering with an ally getting military aid promptly. so the president actually if he were to say something along the lines of what you described, that's not a terrible defense. like i thought i was doing okay, i thought it was the right thing to do, these people around me didn't say no, nobody had the courage to tell me -- >> andy, mccabe likes what you're saying so little, he's literally moving in and out of the frame -- >> falling out of my chair. >> it not the first time we've disagreed. >> it's absolutely not the first time we've disagreed. i don't think trump can make that defense. he can't walk in and say i was pushing the ukrainians to investigate my political rival but i didn't know this was wrong. in criminal law, ignorance of the law is no defense. >> but he swears i don't care that he's my political opponent, i'll kill joe biden, i don't need any help beating him, i'm

going to beat him all day, lazy joe, 15 different adjectives for joe. >> if that were the reason behind his appeals to the ukrainians, they should have been appeals to the department of justice. >> that's how you think gets him? >> that's absolutely right. >> then don't you need, if you're on the side of making the case that this is impeachable, you need to prove the reason the aid got removed is not just coincidental to when the house started to ask questions but you have to get someone to prove that that's why they released the aid and that the president knew damn well that not a dollar would be released until he got the bidens. >> somebody gave the order. somebody told omb the aid goes no further. so that line of direction we know goes back to mulvaney and it ultimately lands on the president's desk. they need a witness to come in

and establish that. >> tomorrow they have sondland. >> chris -- >> go ahead, you get the final word because andrew was so rude with the shaking of the head. >> i disagree back with andy on this one. i agree, that would really be strong evidence and i agree completely on that point. but i think in the absence of that, in the face of the refusal of the president to allow these key witnesses to come forward, the house of representatives is allowed to draw reasonable inferences from the testimony that they do have. and given the number of people that knew exact sli whly what wg on and that the aid was being held and there was a connection to the bidens and burisma, the house is able to, i think, in a criminal case and impeachment setting, they can draw inference from the facts. they can decide whether it's strong enough. it not necessary absolutely from a legal perspective in my view to have the smoking gun witness

like ambassador bolton come in and put the nail in the coffin. >> no, it would just be nice if you want firsthand information. but synthesis is sondland tomorrow. when he explains why he thought this is what you needed to tell ukraine and why it was such a priority, that's going to give a very different picture of the complexion of why this happened the way it did. andrew mccabe, jim baker, thank you for bringing your expertise for the benefit of the audience. appreciate it as always. >> look, one interesting way to mark this is about whether it gets you closer to impeachment or not. that's what this is all about, right? so we have a congress member here who is in no hurry to see this president get impeached and he was surprised by volker's testimony or not? we're going to get gop perspective next.

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all right, you had four witnesses today but the last two, ambassador volker and mr. morrison were ones republicans asked for. and we were talking before we started this segment, trying to simplify where we are in the state of play. we have two visual aids. here are all the people on the left who have testified so far. i don't have their titles because no disrespect, they're not relevant the title. we're getting lost in alphabet

soup. across the columns, you have knowledge of alleged bribe, that's what the democrats are calling it instead of the latin phrase, they were on the july 25th call, they heard the trump sondland call, that's huge for tomorrow for ambassador sondland, concerned about giuliani, raised red flags, clears trump. to be fair clears trump is empty not because all these witnesses have been killing them, it's because the people who can do it at the top of the food chain are being kept from testifying. you can't complain about not getting firsthand information from the republican if you're not fighting back against the president keeping the big shots from you. now we narrow it to two column, they knew about rudy and what is going on with this and raised red flags. that's seems to be the biggest problems for the president to explain or his defenders, which is half that room, why was rudy doing all this stuff and why was he so in the mix creating a situation that made so many people uncomfortable?

>> you know, chris, and i think i'm a voice that's coming at this not on the committees that are hearing this testimony 24/7, have been at this for months, i'm more like the american people, iand your point about te chart is very well taken in the sense of the american people have to digest in at some point in time and the information coming out, people are raising concerns about activity of the president, about but i think the fundamental question is where the american people will come down. this is impeachable and does it require the removal of a duly elected president of the united states. i just don't see that here. you can criticize the president, can you disagree with what he did but when we're talking about impeach, the history of our country should teach us, impeachment is something reserved for those extreme situations. what rudy did or what this individual did, i think impeachment is such a high level offense that you better have clear evidence to overturn the

duly election of the american people. >> you got two obstacles to people buying into your argument, one's from the past, one's from the president -- that was uncontinintentional pun -- president. it was not such an extreme high crime and misdemeanor and all the republicans are making the opposite argument that they made then -- lindsey gramm, you are don't even need a crime. it just about morality. why should people accept your argument? >> the lessons of history should teach us and looking back at the clinton historically, that should teach us a lesson. we put the country through hell

during the clinton impeopachmen. we should learn a lesson, even with nixon and prior to that and the jackson years, the use of impeachment is such a limited tool that the founders were so sensitive that they put the standard so high to remove an election. >> this situation shows the best and the worst of their intentions, as written in federalist paper 65 alexander hamilton. this is a political crime where someone in a position of trust may have done something for their own benefit instead of for the national interests. i think it is the definition of what was supposed to be investigated, though what they're worried about, if it's just about numbers, then impeachment is not the right vehicle. in that room today, there is not clinton, you're not getting 31 republicans to go against this president. it then raises the question for you guys, if this isn't wrong,

if this isn't something that is worthy of being called out in presidential action and saying you're not supposed to use what we in congress authorize you to give to somebody and hold it up until you get something on an opponent, then what is worth calling out? >> so i think your point is well taken. if you're talking about oversight and calling out the president in regards to congressional oversight powers versus impeachment, that something -- >> no republican in the room said he has done anything wrong. >> we're talking in that room about impeachment and that's such a drastic tool. >> can't you just say it's wrong. he shouldn't have done it like this, shouldn't have mentioned biden, it was wrong. >> that's where i think the founding fathers had the wisdom of trusting the american people. >> no, you have to make the determination. you have to vote. your constituents are saying i wish you were doing other

things, congressman reed, not just this. >> i see he had a legitimate basis for an inquiry about the burisma, about the whole investigation into regards to corruption in ukraine. and that to me gives the credibility to what is being argued here about the basis for the phone call and information. >> if you wanted biden, go to the d.o.j. that's your path, not to get an announcement of an investigation from a foreign power. you wouldn't do that. >> i understand what your concern is. obviously what i do and what the president do are completely separate things. >> but that's how you go the to judge it. you're a public servant. >> i understand that. i believe in the american people. i believe the american people are the ones who make this judgment. >> you have to make the judgment. >> but you vote. the senate votes, they vote for you on the basis of what you do. >> what i see here is a legitimate basis of executive power in order to investigate corruption. >> so you don't think he did anything wrong. >> i see what he has done as a

legitimate exercise of -- >> calling for a foreign power to investigate his political opponent. investigation for corrupt n - activity in a -- that's my interpretation. others will disagree with that. will new evidence come out and will there be other information? >> maybe not. but only 23% of this country thinks he did nothing wrong. >> half the country didn't vote for this president. so we're not locking at votes, we're not looking at polls, we're looking at let's leave it to the american people. >> as a rethere thank you, congressman. appreciate it. congressman tom reed, western new york. did we learn anything from today's hearings that puts the president in a different state of jeopardy than before?

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♪ chase. make more of what's yours®. lots to unpack. this was definitely a big day whether you're left, right or just plain reasonable. the president just tweeted "a great day for republicans, a great day for our country." but witness after witness

expressed concerns about how the president's point men, name live sondland and giuliani handled things. most of them raised red flags about the same. let's bring in top political minds, susan glasser and michael smerconish. i wish it were a great day for the country. it's hard to see it that way. michael, where do you think we are on how compelling a case for impeachment is there? >> too confusing. the only way that the senate will be swayed is if there is some brushfire out in the country. and i'm not saying that the underlying facts and allegations, you've done a nice job in a sound bite form and so did colonel vindman in laying it out in nine words or less, but the presentation of this case, adam schiff needs the trial lawyer technique, a timeline. give me a blowup, lay it out and

routinely go back to that diagram and remind people that, yes, there are a lot of players and confusing names but here are the very five or so critical items on the timeline. they're not doing that. i think it's a wash. i spent the whole day today watching and/or listening and i get confused as who who said what. how in the world can people out there in real jobs putting food on their table worried about their kids and so forth keep track of all this? >> less than 25% of people say he did no wrong and then you're about 50/50. >> i think there's a consensus he did something wrong. whether it rises to the level of a high crime or misdemeanor, totally different. >> let's take that as the segue because sondland, this is all on his shoulders tomorrow. he's the deepest one in the soup because of this piece of sound that we heard today. >> what did ambassador sondland

tell you that he told mr mr. yermak? >> that the ukrainians would have to have the prosecutor general make a statement with respect to the investigations as a condition of having the aid lifted. >> now, mr. but before he rev e revised his testimony, no one has this had the words put in their mou the way sondland has. >> he was the key liaison between trump and the other officials of the u.s. government who were trying to figure out what to do about this. it was the sinking feeling, that was another line from morrison's testimony when he heard about this and understood that there was this linkage, that he hadn't

realized there was this linkage between $400 million of military aid. sondland has changed his testimony already and has been contradicted further of the revelation of the phone call. he's talking on a cell phone in a restaurant unsecured in the middle of kiev and the president of the united states -- >> and so we've never heard he is in some seg legal jeopardy. for that reason he's a crucial witness but but because who dug himself a hole in his peeve testimony, is he going to be focused on geing but to meek el's point, it's an important point. i am exhausted at the end of this day and, it's not the senate trial, right? that's when you would have a

prosecutor play out a case in the way that you're suggesting adam schiff should do. >> how big is sondland tomorrow? >> huge! this far we've m a null of spoke but no one axle, no one who brings it all home together, who has a zero degree of separation and connection to all these different parts. now, when he first testified, i would have said he's going to take a dive on all of this. then he filed the addendum. if you're ambassador sondland, i got to go to and arguably, they found him guilty on all counts. arguably he knew they were going to find he is and he wasn't going to have that come out of

his mouth. republican, he's in the problem solvers caucus. i was chasing hill. it's now for the person people this is a republic, a democratically elected republic. you vote your conscience. you were put here to do that. done fot it's whatever the senators choose it should be. >> president ford said that. what's an impeachable offense? whatever congress says it is. >> what's most objectionable to me is it looks like this thing could run its course without hearing from the most krit and

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well you remember what happened last year. you can't bring a backup thanksgiving to my sister's house. it's not like we're going to walk in with it. we'll bring it in as we need it. ...phase it in. phase it in? yeah, phase it in. we now know that the ukrainians eventually became aware that they would not get what they wanted from the u.s. if they did not announce investigations into the bidens. the witnesses today and last week ping pong between getting that right away or at some point or not really or not at all. and while on some level every witness has testified that investigating the bidens was not typical policy objective or just outright dangerous, there will

never be any such consensus in this congress. every single republican in that room is there for one reason -- defend the president, period. every democrat is trying to elicit damaging testimony about the president, period. for something that this president has described as perfect, the ability to understand what was up with ukraine and this president has proven to be anything but, and now we know why. >> i did not know about the strong concerns expressed by then-national security adviser john bolton to members of his nsc staff regarding the discussion of investigations. >> ambassador bolton recommended that i send a first-person cable to secretary pompeo directly, relaying my concerns. i wrote and transmitted such a cable on august 29th, describing the folly i saw in withholding military aid to ukraine.

>> ambassador sondland made clear that he was requesting an investigation of vice president joe biden's son, isn't that correct, sir? >> that is correct. >> and he stated that he was asking these requests in coordination with chief of staff -- white house chief of staff mick mulvaney, correct, sir? >> that is what i heard him say. >> everybody heard it, thought it, was told it because they all work for somebody else. you know, and while all these men and women are significant and honorable and certainly patriotic no matter what the republicans say, they're not calling the shots. they're there to implement decisions made by people who won't make the same choice that they did, to ignore the president telling them not to speak and do their duty. if everything is so perfect, then why hide the key players? if the republicans are so desperate for firsthand knowledge, so frustrated that people can't give them the straight truth, then why don't they ask for the main players? you're so desperate that you would like to expose the whistle-blower, someone whose identity is protected by law

even though you know they have no firsthand information, but you don't call for the people at the top of the food chain. you want firsthand info, but you don't want to question bolton. you don't want pompeo. you don't want mulvaney. bolton called it a drug deal. that's not firsthand information. you say nothing. whose lawyer said he had personal knowledge about many relevant meetings and conversations? bolton's lawyer did. you don't want the secretary of state mike pompeo? you don't want the energy secretary rick perry, the chief of staff mick mulvaney, and of course the man in the middle, the man everybody talks about but you won't talk to, rudy giuliani. do you understand the hypocrisy at play here? all of them are defying subpoenas for either documents or testimony at the white house's direction. why? why would this president keep his inner circle from testifying robustly in his defense?

this is all just a witch hunt. if it was all perfect, they should be able to come in and convincingly just dispose of all of this. let me cover something else. anyone beneath them who says otherwise could, absent hard corroboration of their contradiction, be dismissed. vindman didn't know. he was wrong. volker's wrong. sondland's wrong. they got it wrong. i'm in charge. this is what i wanted them to do. the president was fine. this odd disconnect becomes obvious when they discuss the decision to basically hide the call, right? they hid this phone call. morrison helped hide this phone call by going to the lawyers. representative jordan, presidential defender number one in this hearing, says it's prophetic. listen. >> you were prophetic, mr. morrison, because you said in your statement today, as i stated during my deposition, i feared at the time of the call on july 25th how the disclosure of the contents of the call would play in washington's

political climate. my fears have been realized. >> really? it didn't leak by the way, and jordan knows that. but he's in the business of coloring reality these days, isn't he? was it prophetic or pathetic? he can rely on psychic ability -- congressman jordan -- or a divine hand. i argue for facts. and the people who have them, who guided the decisions, who dealt with the aid, who decided to hide that call with an ask by mr. trump for the bidens and giuliani's desires, they're not here. it's as ugly as it is obvious. why they're not screaming about that as they are everything else on the right. they would rather deceive you about this process being unfair and incomplete. think about how pathetic it is to watch these men and women pick apart the inches of insight that these men and women who have testified so far have about the decisions that others of made, instructions other gave

them, and yet leave yards of truth untouched. jordan sees the decision to hide the call because of how it played prophetic. well, that's a fool's guess compared to the cassandraesque prescience to limit a hearing like this, of this importance, to the people who know the least. you cannot complain a process is unfair. you can't insist, as ranking member nunes did today, that people must answer because they're under subpoena like he did with lieutenant colonel vindman. you must tell me what i want you to say. you're under subpoena, or plead the fifth, when you're complicit in the decision that necessarily makes it unfair, and you say nothing about the big shots that you're too afraid to go against. the men and women on the right say nothing about the most important players being kept from this consequence, and until they change that, no matter how righteous they sound, they are part of the problem. now, that's the argument. what's umming up tomorrow could blow everything else away.

why? this is the guy, ambassador sondland. he's the only one they look to and say, he's the one who told them. i heard him say it. he told me he told them. you're not going to get the money if you don't get the bidens. that's our bolo next. up too early... or too late. or make me feel like i'm not really "there." talk to your doctor, and call 844-234-2424. itintroducing the new braava jet m6 robot mop. with an adjustable precision jet spray and advanced pad system braava jet breaks up messes and gets deep in corners. braava jet. only from irobot. a wealth of information.

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"cnn tonight with don lemon" starts right now, and that bolo is gordon sondland, don. >> i was going to say, what happened to the bolo? >> that's where it is. that's the bolo. >> he's on the hot seat tomorrow. i think with all the witnesses and out of everyone here -- well, besides rudy giuliani and the president, he's the one that's most in peril because either he gets perjury, you know, if he doesn't change and then there is evidence to the contrary, or if he changes, he's going to get attacked by republicans. and if he doesn't, he may get attacked by democrats. so he's damned if he does, damned if he n'