>> just remember, what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening. >> all the president's lies airs at 9:00 p.m. eastern only on cnn. fareed zakaria starts right now. have a great thanksgiving. this is fareed zakaria. welcome to gps to our viewers in the united states and around the world, i'm fareed zakaria coming to you live from new york. today on the show vindland, volker, sondland and hill. this week's star witnesses in the impeachment inquiry. >> we followed the president's orders. >> what did he learn from them about how america conducts its foreign policy? and to president? also iran's protest, the

netanyahu's indictment, and more. i will talk to tom friedman and bremmer. also russia's response to the impeachment inquiry. president putin said this week he was happy to see blame for the 2016 election interference shifting to another nation, ukraine. fiona hill's testimony. >> i'll ask one of moscow's top foreign policy analysts. then in germany you can't publish hate speech on the internet. in america you can. but does america need to become more like germany? while impeachment has been dominating the headlines, we're missing a set of stories about american foreign policy that might prove equally

consequential. the trump administration has been doubling down on a policy of unilateralism and isolationism. a combination that is furthering the abdication of american leadership and the creation of a more unable world. this week talks between the united states and seoul talks broke down. the annual operating cost of the u.s. military presence there is approximately 2 billion. seoul pays a little less than half. trump is asking for $4.7 billion. the frictions with south korea will likely be replicated with the staunchest ally in the pacific, japan. according to foreign policy magazine, trump has also asked japan for a significant hike in its payments to the u.s. these demands are not simply damaging to the ties between key allies. they are also based on bad economics. if american troops were

withdrawn from south korea and japan, they would have to be housed somewhere in the united states where there would be no burden sharing and no contributions from seoul and tokyo. the trump administration has also given up on support for broad-based norms and values. it withdraw from the human rights council ceding the field to others. trump's tariffs have rocked the free trade system. this week the administration reversed the long-standing u.s. position that israeli settlements in the west bank violate international law. french president macron was criticized for his statement that nato is experianing brain death. he pointed out trump's policy on syria was undertaken with no coordination with the nato members. europe's interest in the middle east are potentially greater than washington's, refugees

flood into europe, not america, and yet the trump administration blind sided the allies across the atlantic. macron believes there's an unprecedented challenge in trump. we find ourselves for the first time with an american president who does not share our idea of the european project. he notes that trump often distances himself from europe's defense even against islamic terror. when he says it's their problem, not mine, we must hear what he's saying. i am no longer prepared to pay for and guarantee a security system for them, and so just wake up. it's ironic and tragic that europeans now believe they're alone in their fight against islamic terrorism given that the only time in history that nato invoked article 5, an attack on one is an attack on all, was in response to the 9/11 attacks on new york and washington. it's often said that iran, russia, and china are rogue

regimes whose actions are destroying the rules-based international system that the u.s. built and maintained over the last 75 years. those countries have certainly engaged in actions that are ill liberal ain and irresponsible. but the greatest threat to the liberal international order right now is surely the trump administration. which is systemically weakening the alliances that have maintained peace and stability and rejecting the rules and norms that have helped set some standards in international life. for more go to cnn.com/fareed and read my washington post column this week. and let's get started. all right. we now know that the 2020 presidential race officially has a new wild card. former new york city mayor michael bloomberg announced his candidacy for the president on

his website. so let's bring in the panel to discuss that and more. ann marie slaughter is the former director of policy planning at the state department. tom friedman is the foreign affairs columnist for the new york times and author of "thank you for being late". and ian bremmer, a firm that specializes in geopolitical risk and consultanting. tom, you wrote a column, an echo of i like like, 1950s modern. why i like mike. you say, and i assume you've talked to bloomberg, that he knows it's a lock shot. why is mike bloomberg running? >> i think first and foremost because the mayor understands that four more years of donald trump will be a disaster for the country. when you see how trump has behaved when he's restrained by the need to get reelected, imagine how he would behave if he didn't have to get reelected

again. that has led him to conclude, i believe that the only way to defeat trump is to be able to appeal to the moderate republicans, the independents, and suburban women who actually flipped into the democratic camp in the last -- the 2018 elections for congress and the senate. i think he believes the best way to appeal to them is with a broad centrist democratic agenda that appeals not just to redividing the pie but also growing the pie. it's pro business. it's strong on climate. it's strong on gun control. and that he can really put together the kind of package of issues that will appeal to the broadest constituency to defeat donald trump. i think he knows it's a long shot, but if biden were to stumble or buttigieg or if the democrats couldn't coalesce around a candidate at the center who could deliver the agenda, i think he feels it's such an important moment, it's worth it to try to put himself forward.

>> ann marie, there are a lot of people including myself who say whether or not he could get elected, he'd probably be the best president. if you could wave a wand yarks he's sort of the anti-trump. he's disciplined. he is a results and facts oriented. but is that going to excite passion in the democratic base? what does he need to do to excite passion? >> so i think his best bet by a mile would be to line up stacey abrams as his vice president now and say this is an unconventional candidacy. i'm going to unite old and new america. he's -- we now have a sort of debate between which of the 70-year-olds can line up the youth, and the best thing he could do is to do something dramatic that would say i'm not just your grandparent's candidate or parent's candidate. i want a new america. >> very briefly, bloomberg could spend money on a scale nobody else has. presidential candidates

basically spend a billion dollars. mike bloomberg could spend $10 billion and still be one of the ten richest men in the world. does that make a difference? >> it matters in terms of picking up delegates. he'll be relevant. if it's a democratic process that's state to state, the four of us clearly would vote for him in a hot second. over trump. we also reflect one of the narrowest demographics in the united states. i don't think this is emblematic of where the united states is going. >> when we come back, we'll talk about the foreign policy fallout of impeachment and the plitization of the state department. stores everywhere. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.

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we all want what's best for our parents, so call today. what did the impeachment hearings tell us about america's relations in the world and things like that? the panel is back with me. ann marie, you were at the state department. what strikes me is mike pompeo comes across as not just at the center of this whole strategy to persuade or pressure ukraine, a chief enabler of trump in this political agenda, but also somebody who ran rough shot over the state department in order to do it. >> it's really amazing. he came in after tillerson who was no unpopular saying i'm going to restore the swagger of the state department, and he's

thrown everybody under the bus, essentially, so that he could stay close to trump. the other thing, though, he is deeply political and planning a run for the sthaenate in kansas. now the conservative news outlets are saying he's looking for a way out sooner than thought. which tells us he thinks being caught up in the people stuff is actually going to hurt him with the republican voters of kansas. >> fascinating. >> tom, you wrote a terrific column on mike pompeo. talk about that, but broaden it out to tell me what is the effect of all this, you know, in the world? what is this doing to america's standing in the world? how should we think about this kind of at the level of the big picture? >> i was talking to bill burns, the former deputy director of the state. he's not worried about the deep state. he's worry tabtd weak state. what happens when our institutions are hallowed out, namely the state department? fareed, about a decade ago you

wrote "the post american". we'd have to live in a balanced powered world. i'm worried about a different post american world. a world where american is no longer the arbiter of truth and trust. basically the world has looked to us as the arbiter of what is right and scientific and just. and at the same time we've always been the generator of trust around the world. building alliances and inclusion, knitting the world together. over the last 70 years, that's worked out well for us. what happens if we have a post american world where america is no longer that generator of the arbiter of truth or the generator of trust? >> ian, you gave a speech at a big china conference sponsored by bloomberg the company, not mike personally. you said something similar. you said welcome to the end of the american order. >> that's right. i recognized that a piece of that is because trump is withdrawing from so many of

these international agreements. some of which we cobble together ourselves. a lot more, it's because xi president xi is -- it's the decision to decouple from u.s. technology and data and 5 g, and that moves us. as kissinger said at the conference to the foothills of a cold war, and that's -- if we look at the last 70 years, it's not just an american order. it's globalization. we've has goods and services and thoughts moving faster and faster across boards. now when you take data echo systems around people and say that's not globalized, it's split into two, that tells us something negative about the way humanity is heading and the geopolitical order is going to be more dangerous. >> do you think that's true. a bipolar world, a particularly bipolar in technology, every country having to choose, do we go huawei or with cisco and

erickson? >> i think with technology, yes, there are two different visions of open versus closed, but i think that order was not just an american order. it's a rule-based order. it's a multilateral order. in your column you point out trump and his allies around the world are actively pursuing unilateralism, tear down anything that smacks of constraining sovereignty with rules. that to me is just as big a danger. >> tom, i noticed the new national security adviser gave a talk i think in halifax in which he said he compared -- sort of compared china's internment of a group, gave a dark compareson. did this signal the trump administration has decided that it is in a sense prosecuting a cold war against china? >> you know, fareed, the words decided and the trump administration have become an oxymoron.

what one guy says can be overtaken bay tweet the next day. it's one of the most confusing things we have. think of this as normal people, administration, consider policies and then articulate them and follow up on them. that said, i'm glad he spoke out against what the chinese are doing, against the weegers there. this is horrendous what's going on there. and a senior official leaked a huge trove of documents showing the debate inside china about this. at the same time, this relationship we have with china is complicated. they're rivals, partners, a source of intellectual capital. we have to find a way to manage these at the same time. that's the real challenge. that's what worries you about these people. trump may have had o'brien do it to get leverage in the trade talks and if they're trying to decide to buy more soybeans from us, then he might say oh, no

problem what you're doing with the weegers. >> yeah. in fact, the point is right. trump, i think a couple days ago tweeted i'm not going to pressure them on hong kong, and by the way, president xi is a great man and great friend of mine. one part of the administration compares to the nazis. the other -- is there going to be a trade deal? >> i think there will be this phase one trade deal. i think it's going to matter not a whit. it's only because trump is looking in deal mode whether it's with the taliban, inviting them to camp david or north koreans begging them for a third summit or the iranians saying take my phone call. they've gone nowhere. so he is prepared to give away the store for anything that looks like a deal with the chinese. but president xi made clear at the meeting in beijing that he is not in the mood to take lessons from the americans. that if anyone should be giving lessons on economic development, he said it should be the chinese. that's not a message that either trump or anyone in foreign

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bribery, fraud, and breach of trust. those are the charges announced on thursday levelled against benjamin netanyahu. the israeli prime minister said he was the victim of a witch hunt and called on israel to investigate the investigators. sounds familiar. let me bring in the panel. do you think it parallels between netanyahu and trump? >> it's remarkable just how parallel it is. in the first place, bribery, fraud, these are like the articles of impeachment. but equally, the tactics.

right? deny, attack, pretend you're the victim. say it's a witch hunt. even more, there's this choice in both places between going the legal route or political route. netanyahu's best hope effe effectively is to get a resolution for what maintains his immunity while he's the prime minister. the people against him are thinking act going through the courts. similarly here, trump is playing a political strategy and the democrats are trying to uphold the law. >> tom, it seems the defenses at core, the same as the trump defense which is an attack on elites. an attack on the establishment saying you know, these guys have always hated me. and they found some maneuver with their fancy lawyers and media allies to bring me down. in trump's case, it seems to be working. right? the hatred of the establishment is greater than the concern about corruption. >> well, you know, fareed, you

allude to it. i believe the what off broadway is to broadway. i follow it closely. if you look there, i think trump should be concerned. one, netanyahu ran an openly racist campaign against israeli arabs and they all turned out and voted the next time and created the third largest party in israel. netanyahu was all over twitter and facebook. his opponent was not. turns out israels got sick of it. and at the same time gants was not just an opponent to netanyahu. he was actually an anti-dote in the eyes of a lot of israelis. they understood netanyahu was putting toxins into the veins of society. there's one big difference between israel and america. you see now demands for a primary happening this morning to return against netanyahu.

it turns out the ministers at least a few of them seem to have a little more spine, self-respect, and integrity than the entire republican caucus in the house and the senate where other than one exception basically are not ready to challenge trump. so that may be a diversion in israel, but that itself, might be a warning sign to trump as well. >> ian, do you think that -- as long as benjamin netanyahu's prime minister, he can't be indicted. even if he were to go into a coalition, his ins sentive is to string this out, maybe have a third election. can he -- if that happens, could he somehow overcome all these problems? >> he's holding on by his fingernails, but they're really long. we're potentially heading into a third election, and they're even talking about a potential where there would be a unity coalition where gants and netanyahu would switch off.

that would give netanyahu another year. i mean, he's playing kick the can. this is a day by day scenario for him. but while it's happen, let's keep in mind gants has the same policies on things that matter to the united states, the region and the world, as netanyahu does. so at some point he's going to be gone and at some point that indictment is going to stick in my view. but israel's governance isn't going to change. from a regional perspective, actually, that's probably more important. >> very quickly, do you think that the american recognition of israeli settlements or the recognition of the golan heights, has this helped netanyahu? trump is doing well, this favors to bb hoping to get him more votes. >> i think, actually, it doesn't make a difference at this point. it is so clear that he is 100% behind benjamin netanyahu that that -- i can't say that the additional recognition of these things would make a difference

to the israeli public. what it is doing, though, is announcing to the rest of the world that we -- that the united states will have no role going forward in any israeli, palestinian negotiation. we whehave now take an position that says we are completely, m firmly on the hard right israeli side. >> tom, final thoughts on you mentioned the republican party just completely a-wall on this impeachment issue. is that a response to where they see their voters? how should we think about this in terms of why is the republican party so bereft of the howard bakers, people saying look, this is a real problem? >> well, you have entire eco system of fox news basically constantly arousing the base, sometimes with real news. sometimes with fake news. that, then, creates a disciplining force that trump

can activate to use against republican legislators. that said, you'd think that my god, just one. maybe if i really dream just two might actually say, you know what? i'm going to stand up for truth and the right thing here. and our enlisting of foreign leader to intervene in our elections and effectively using american aide appropriated by the congress as a bribe, that's just not -- you'd think you'd find just one or two. and the fact that you don't says to me our conservative party is sick here. and that's why you're not going to persuade these people or change them. you could only defeat these people. and it seems to me defeating this version of the republican party is the necessary but not sufficient thing to produce what the country needs which is a healthy, conservative movement that can balance the liberal movement and give us the right kind of governance we need. right now we have a sick, i would say conservative movement in this country. that's not good for our future. >> all right.

we got to wrap it up. fascinating conversation. thank you all. last week we brought you ukraine's response to the impeachment inquiry. this week we will bring you russia.

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it made me wonder. i wanted to bring in the director general of the russian international affair council. a top think tank based in moscow. andre, what is your sense of how russians are reacting to what they are watching or witnessing or hearing about in washington? >> i think if you take the ukrainian dimension, some might be happy finally the u.s. attention has turned away from russia. it does mean it has turned away forever, but for the time being, it might be a break. on the other hand, i don't think that many in moscow are happy about the impeachment procedure in washington, because they understand perfectly well only a strong u.s. president can fix problems with moscow.

president is not in a position to mobilize presidential support in his own country to deal with moscow successfully. >> to what extent is the feeling that ukraine is now properly being accused by some republicans of disliking the president, the president says it himself, is there a certain kind of flee in that? is there a kind of happiness in moscow that the ukrainians are under attack in some sense? >> well, the russian ukrainian relations are very emotional. and of course, there is a lot of animosity toward the former ukrainian elite. the perception, the predominant perception in moscow is that these people are not honest. that they already use various schemes. and i think in this story they see a confirmation of how they

saw the former ukrainian leadership. it is not necessarily related to zelensky but definitely to his predecessor. >> hill says the idea that ukraine was involved in the hacking of the 2016 election is fiction and a disinformation that's being propagated by russia and the russian government. what's your response? >> well, i know fiona hill. i have a lot of respect toward fiona hill, but i'm not sure that the russian government has been directly engaged in this ukrainian story. i don't think it has the capacity or the interest, actually. however, definitely the russian propaganda will make and is already making full use of this story, and definitely it tries to turn the public attention

away from the alleged russian interference into elections of 2016 in the united states. >> you say alleged. do you feel that in russia people think there was no russian information campaign, information war in 2016? because, you know, most -- it's not just the united states. most western intelligence agencies believe it happened. most independent observers believe it happened. >> well, you know, i think that there is the official narrative in moscow. we never interfered. we never do -- we will never do. but there is a footnote to that. and in small print you can read that basically everybody interferes. everybody uses information wars in this world of post truth, everybody distorts facts or at

least puts accents in a certain way. so basically, if everybody is guilty, then no one is guilty. i think this is the hidden narrative that you can find here in moscow. >> in his annual press conference, president putin was asked what would he do to try to fix relations with the united states. and he sounded pretty pessimistic. he didn't think much could be done. >> i agree. i heard mr. putin making his speech at the club, annual meeting. he said that. he said the election campaign in the united states is not the best time to try fixing the relationship, and essentially everything that we could have proposed, we already proposed. all our ideas, all our proposals on the table. so it's now up to americans to decide whether they are ready to go for any of them. i think that basically in russia

they are so used to symmetry as the only mechanism that can fix this relationship. it has always been this way since the early days of the cold war, the two leaders had the chance to get together. they were able to agree on something, and then they set into motion this big bureaucratic mechanisms on both sides. but it didn't work with trump. putin met trump in helsinki, and after the summit, really, the summit meeting, the relationship didn't get any better. it got really worse. so i think that right now there is a kind of confusion. moscow, what we can do on top of what we have already done in order to fix this relationship. >> i think there are a lot of the world is confused about how to deal with president trump, and it's fascinating to hear that the feeling is true even in moscow. >> i would say so. i think that they might like

president trump, but they understand that he is very constrained in what we have -- he can do toward moscow. moscow remains a toxic asset for trump. this situation isn't likely to change, even if trump gets r reele reelected. >> pleasure to have you on and always a pleasure to hear your perspective. >> thank you. up next, in america you can wave a nazi flag or post a picture of one on the internet. in germany, you can't. it's illegal. does america need laws like germany? when we come back.

hate speech. there's a lot of it in america today on the streets, on the air waves, on the internet. should it be policed? should, for instance, walking around charlottesville, carrying a nazi flag, or chanting jews will not replace it be in some way illegal? my next dwes says the first amendment should not stop us from asking that question. and rick stengl was the editor and chief of time magazine and. his new book is "information wars:how we lost the global battle about disinformation and what we can do about it". pleasure to have you.

>> great to be with you. >> you're one of the most storied journalists in america. you had one of the great positions, the editor of time magazine. you always talked about the oliver wendell holmes line that we protect speech, not just the speech that we love, but the speech that we hate. but you've sort of changed your mind now? >> i was a free speech absolutist. i was on the front lines of it. you know what the phone calls are like when the white house calls and says we don't want you to publish something. you have to make the decisions. it's about government interfering in speech, but as i traveled around the world in the state department and saw the sense that the first amendment was an outlier, that they couldn't understand that we would protect the thought and speech that we hate, it made me rethink it. >> and what do you -- give an example of something you just found difficult to defend. >> well, i found it difficult to

defend muslims around the world why we would allow a pastor in florida to build a koran. i find it difficult why we would protect hate speech, speech that accuses somebody on the base of religion or sex or gender of something that's awful. i mean, what is the -- the framers really want to protect that? i've started to rethink it. >> europe has some laws like that. do you think we should go in that direction? >> i think we should explore that direction. they're more stringent than i would be. i'm suggesting we have this debate. you'd be surprised at all the protectors of the first amendment who don't think we should debate about the first amendment, but i think we should look at some hate speech laws and look at the state level at laws that penalize it. not putting people into jail but fine it, and also giving the platform companies more liability. right now they have complete um munty for publishing hate

speech. let them have some liability. i think it would change the nature of the debate. >> let me ask you about something fiona hill said during her testimony. she talked about how the idea that ukraine was actually the country that had hacked the 2016 election was part of a kind of russian disinformation campaign. it was fiction, and yet, it has taken hold in a large part of the american public, you know, a lot of people in -- on the hill, the republicans believe it. a lot of people who watch fox news believe it. what does one do about that kind of disinformation? >> there are decades of russian disinformation. the cia caused aids. the cia shot john f kennedy. these things get embedded in our psyches. it's hard to rebut it. it gets stuck in our brains. and the russians are very good at it. i think the other reason that disinformation works is people want to believe it.

right? it's confirmation bias. if the republicans are looking for a conspiracy theory to help donald trump, of course they're going to be more receptive to it. that's why disinformation works. it's not just a supply problem. it's a demand problem. >> right. it seems to me the demand problem is almost at the heart of it. as you said, there were conspiracy theories in the past, but you didn't have a third of sometimes half sometimes more of republicans believing it. i mean, if you have a desire to want to believe this, it becomes -- >> yes. i mean, we may have something in our dna to believe conspiracy theories. maybe it's evolutionary, effective behavior, but i mean, a third of voters during the last campaign believed hillary clinton was running a child sex trafficking ring out of a pizza parlor in washington d.c. that's part of the problem. you can't disabuse people of that. another cognitive bias is the backfire effect. when you try to disabuse someone of a strongly held belief, it makes them double town in that

belief. that's a problem. >> what's the solution? >> human beings evolving faster, maybe as fast as technology. i do think education. i mean, one of the things i've said for a long time, we don't have a fake news problem. we have a media literacy problem. we have to help people find out fact fiction. people have to be taught to do that. we need to teach it in the schools. and the platform companies should pay for the programs in schools. >> do you think that part of the problem is that there's so much media narrow casting? people choose -- >> yes. >> the place they want to hear from, in a sense, they want to go to church. they don't want to be educated. they want to reaffirm their beliefs rather than exposing themselves to contrary views? >> yes. and of course, in our era in journalism, it was pushed journalism. now people can pull what they want. it's one reason conspiracy theories and disinformation have so much power, is because people

are pulling them in to confirm what they already believe. that's also a design problem. >> all right. this is a terrific book even if you haven't solved the every problem. >> i haven't. >> rick, pleasure to have you on. >> thank you. we will be back. and i'm parm building the most powerful 5g experience for america. it's 5g ultra wideband-- --for massive capacity-- --and ultra-fast speeds. almost 2 gigs here in minneapolis. that's 25 times faster than today's network in new york city. so people from midtown manhattan-- --to downtown denver-- --can experience what our 5g can deliver. (woman) and if verizon 5g can deliver performance like this in these places... it's pretty crazy. ...just imagine what it can do for you. ♪

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