me neither. so take out your pens and pencils. so make a picture of the president and it might get you a cameo on the ridiculist. that's it for us. i turn it over to chris for primetime. >> thank you, anderson. i am chris cuomo and this is "prime time." we have two new pieces of reporting that reveal that republicans were well aware of this ukraine nonsense and they looked into it in their senate intel committee. what were the results? we have them. and we're going to dig into a troubling question tonight. did this call that the president claims vindicates him with eu ambassador sondland, did it ever happen? why that's a real question. and a democratic senator with a state of play in the senate.

we have a republican members of congress to ask if he okay with what the president selling to this country? it's a big week. what do you say, let's get after it. one side note, the house intel impeachment report is complete. how can that be a side note? it all about a the state of play for the president. that's being ahead of tomorrow's big vote and we'll start going to the judiciary committee and see what happens there. the gop version is out as well. the two reports literally bear no resemblance to each other one set of facts, two realities. first we have breaking news that will help understand the facts in this situation just dropping on our watch. it takes us into the past of the senate intel committee. as you may know, run by republicans. here what's cnn's jake tapper can confirm for us. that panel, again, led by republicans, looked into allegations that ukraine interfered in the 2016 election. wait, they did?

because they're saying it just happened. i know. that's why in matters. they looked at it way back in 2017, in 2017. what did they find? no evidence to support the claims. well, the dnc lady that's got the same name as the taco bell -- yes, chalupa. yes, they looked into it. the black book that's fake -- yes, they looked into it. and that name brought up again and again by nunez and all those other clowns and defenders during the hearings, they looked into it. they found nothing. that is known by the same people who are pretending they're real questions now. why? now that's a question worth getting after right now.

let's put it to gop congressman randy weber. i hope you had a good thanksgiving. >> thank you, chris. we did. i hope you did, too. >> now, i am not blaming you for this. i asked senator kennedy to come on the show. he came on last week to clarify his comments, he then seemed to walk backwards. he's invited whenever. however, you do not believe the comments by senator burr are wrong, right? >> now, you're saying russia or ukraine, chris? >> i'm saying russia because i'm speaking about fact here. russia did it. burr said it in his committee, the intel committee said it. everyone who has looked at it has said it. do you agree with that?

>> of course that's what they say they found. that's a point of contention. >> it's not a point of contention. >> the fact that there is leftover interest in what happened on how the russians and ukrainians did it. >> no, no ukraine. >> i get that. >> you just added them. don't add them. because they have nothing to do with it. >> what i'm saying is the president thinks that they did. he doesn't trust the government of ukraine and that's part and parcel to everything he's been doing. >> does he trust republicans? >> i'm sorry? >> does he trust republicans? >> does the president trust republicans? >> yeah. >> he's going to trust republicans for the most part, absolutely he's going to, those who stand by his side and aren't afraid of all the vitriol aimed at him. >> do you think he -- >> you said in your opening statement the republican committee run by some of those clowns. that's kind of degrading. >> they acted like clowns, congressman.

i'd never call you that, but when you are there as a member of congress and you're supposed to have oversight over the executive and you act like defense counsel. it's not your job. it like when nunes ran to the white house, his job was oversight. that's what i'm point being out as an objective matter of fact. they weren't supposed to be doing that. they chose to do it. >> chris, we had this conversation last time. mark meadows, nunes, anybody else that wanted to go to the white house is not precluded from doing that. if you assume they're guilty of sharing information they shouldn't, which is quite frankly what's wrong with this impeachment process, democrats assume that the president is guilty. here's an interesting analogy. nancy pelosi said about obama care, we have to pass to to find out what's in it. >> this president said i'm going to make health care better than

ever. i'll tell what you my plan is after the election, but vote for me now. that's politics. politics isn't on trial. maybe it should be. i'm not accusing mr. meadows or mr. jordan of anything. they're welcome on the show whenever they want to come on. i'd like mr. nunes to come on and explain why it was okay for him to go to the white house and share information that was part of his oversight hearing. if they want to come on about that, beautiful. but i have you and what i'm asking is you don't believe that there's a question as to whether or not russia or ukraine interfered in our election, right? >> russia interfered in the election, they tried to. secretary jay johnson said there was no votes changed. russia interfered in the election. >> never said anything about votes. they hacked the dnc server. nobody has ever suggested as a matter of fact that ukraine had anything to do with that. the only person who has suggested it in the ugliest of ironies is the vladimir putin. he made up a story about ukraine wanting to go after trump and now members of your own party are parroting it.

>> was crowdstrike involved in the d triple c hacking? >> yes. >> is crowdstrike in part owned by ukrainian? >> no. >> really? >> yes. >> yes really? that's not the information that we have. >> you have bad information. the man is american born of russian descent. he's not ukrainian. even if he were, that's what you're going to hang it on? your head of national security tom bossert said that was a joke. you heard testimony from experts saying it was a joke. mueller said it's not true. burr said it's not true. >> what trump is saying is go back and let's look at all the was in on on the dccc server and -- >> there was no server. they operated in a cloud system. there is no server to steal.

>> no server but they were hacked into and the president wanted in a investigated. it's one of the things that he gave to president he went to zelensky with a conspiracy theory that's some missing server when there is no miss server. crowd strike and the dnc said it. >> true or false that the president believed that there was corruption in the ukraine government before president zelensky? true or false? >> i don't know. he gave them funds both times. he never mentioned corruption until biden decided to run. where's my evidence that he cared about corruption? >> well, giuliani met with the former prosecutor that was let go back in january lied been. >> well, here's what we know. mr. giuliani said on this program that he went to ukraine to ask about the bidens. he asked them to reopen

investigations into the bidens. they did. and then closed them subsequently saying they found no reason. so i have to reason to believe that mr. giuliani ever had anything that didn't include the bds. >> antonio: i go back to my previous question. did the president believe there was corruption in the ukrainian government? >> i do not know. why would he give them money in the last two budget cycles? >> that's a great question. president zelensky, the new kid on the block, said that he's going to clean up the corruption. president trump wants to make sure that he's serious about it after years of being put off by the former administration in ukraine.

so of course he doesn't trust them. of course he wants them looked into. this is our foreign policy, hour -- >> i have no problem with the president running foreign policy but just simple logic, like 9-year-old logic. you don't care about corruption and now a change agent comes in and now you don't trust him and ask him to vet corruption and the only corruption you ask for to be investigated are two items that help you politically. congressman, isn't that a little convenient? >> no, i'll tell you as i said last it's not that fact in a redo. >> instead of having him investigated in the right way, he did it in a way to have his hand off of it. i don't want you to get caught where senator kennedy is right now, that you believe there is likely a chance that ukraine was

equally responsible or more responsible for what happened in 2016 than russia was. can i put you on record right now about who you think did it? >> i haven't seen the report you're talking about coming from the senate so i have to admit that i'm a little blind on that one. >> you saw the mueller report, right? >> i saw the mueller report. >> you know what the intel committees concluded, right? >> the intel committee report. >> no, forget about the politicians. the intelligence community put out a report about who did this, why and went? >> you're talking about the old report, not the one that's due out wednesday. you're not talking about the one that is coming out -- >> i'm not talking about the political trial of the president. i'm talking about just a matter of fact.

here's my concern. i think this president did it the wrong way. but that's not where my head is. if you were going to try to defend the president by running a conspiracy theory, now you are undermining american institutions, do you think that's why i'm asking do you think russia was behind 2016 interference? >> russia was behind 2016 interference, yes. >> god bless. it's good to have somebody saying it? it wasn't the quickest route to that answer that i would have liked. it's important to have facts. >> that doesn't leave out the fact that the president does not trust ukraine and the corruption in ukraine. it doesn't rule out the fact that it exists and the president is cautious with our -- >> maybe he does, maybe he doesn't.

all i know is if i were worried about corruption in ukraine, the only things i would ask them to investigate would not be things that matter to me. i would go after the corruption that is endemic there that's been stealing money and losing life and costing thousands in ukraine, not the bidens. >> chris, those two things are endemic to the american public money the the president doesn't trust the ukrainians. >> he should have gone back to congress and told them that instead of creating a solicitation for something he wanted in exchange for congressionally approved money. >> he's got four i know that there's ambassadors, there's bureaucrats, there's political pundits that don't believe it but that he was concerned about that, he's looking out for the american public, he's draining the swamp, he's going to help president z drain the swamp over there. people don't like it.

>> we'll talk about draining the swam many another time. i've never seen more people go down in an administration for corruption than i have in this one. congressman, you're always welcome here to make the case and i appreciate you are coming here tonight. >> thank you, chris. good to hear your opinion again. >> wasn't an opinion. it was a set of facts. it's not an opinion. okay? russia by all indications of discernible facts was responsible for this. ukraine was not. anybody who has looked at the question has said they didn't, including the republicans. there's only one reason they're changing the story for you are right now and it's to confuse you, to distract you and make you not care about it. it doesn't seem to make sense anymore. nothing is true unless you want it to be and that's not reality. that takes us to another matter of fact. there one phone call other than

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all right. feel what you want to feel but have it be based on facts. latest example, this picture. the president says the only call other than his perfect one with the president of ukraine was the one on september 9th. that's the one to look at with his attorney turned ambassador buddy where he said all the right things. >> i want nothing. i want nothing. i want no quid pro quo. >> okay, problems. first, we don't know that that call even happened. "the washington post" reports that the white house hasn't found a record of trump and sondland talking on september 9th. even sondland himself was not

sure it happened on that day. >>i still cannot find a record of that call because the state department and the white house cannot locate it. i believe it was on the 9th of september. i can't find the records and they won't provide them to me. >> i have a suggestion he was referring to a different call. i'll get to that in a second. however, he said he needed guidance, didn't know what to do. but timing, all very curious, september 9th is the same day congress started its investigation into ukraine. and it came after the whistle-blower complaint had been taken to the white house and shown to the president. he hadn't been on it like a trumpy is because every other time there's been evidence about what he actually said, it's hurt

him. and he was overheard shouting about the investigations would they really make up a phone call to hick, and to he's gladly giving life to conspiracy theories. now he's got gop'ers taking up that evidence. their own, if one more point. remember that other call i told you about? fact versus full crazy. sondland is not the best recollections. remember that? he forgot another call. came in early september, one where the president may have turned a latin phrase, even if

it is not clear he knew the meaning. in this case, unlike the call of september 9th. other people heard the call. >> ambassador sondland related that there was no quid pro quo. president zelensky had to make the statement and he had to want to do it. >> that call was a couple days before this magical september 9th call. is it possible sondland got the case dates mixed up? these other two people saw it completely differently. the president wanted ukraine to do it. give me cover on the quid pro quo. no, that's not what it is but they have to do it. what's the difference? we have a senate judiciary committee member here to weigh the evidence, tell us what the state of play is in the senate, which will likely be the home for a trial in this,

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so house republicans are pushing back. it is staggering how two reports supposedly based on one set of facts could be so different. like what? the july 25th call shows no quid pro quo or indications of personality threats or much less bribe >> reporter: or, bribery or extortion.

senator booker is on the senate judiciary and foreign relations committees. he joins us now. i hope you had a good thanksgiving. >> i did. i hope you did as well. you will probably if things continue on this course wind up being the court of first impression for this. you will be a juror there but really the senate runs it. based on what you've seen so far and how you're seeing it defended, what are your thoughts? >> well, in general you still just have to take it on a very objective standpoint. you have a president of the united states who by his observe admission has been courting interference in the election in the united states. in that conversation that they released, he was making the aid conditional on what they were

doing. this is just bad. you and i were talking off racks. i've sat with soldiers who talked to me about it, what they lost. i sat with already -- >> they need us. >> that is legitimate. that's why i was so surprised by this quote of his recently that basically just suggested if america is such a great partner for us. why would they hold up anything? >> but the important point is, ukraine is not isolated. we've seen from "the new york times," madagascar, ukraine, latvia, lithuania. you can go through the countries where russia has a play book. they won't beat america tank for tank, battleship for battleship. >> you've heard me. you do not need to embrace russian propaganda to defend the president on the facts we he can but they are selling stuff that they know it's not true. they it in the in they're ignoring that.

>> right. that's what really is problematic to me is they are falling into what i consider to be russian traps, doing their work for them, undermining facts, undermining our ability and or trust in our intelligence community, so many things they're doing now are like -- and so why are you doing things to warp a short-term battle, who are unhooks, in every way possible. this is to me a moment when we need patriotism and not such rank partisanship. >> i've never seen that with their own bunked and you know, he's a rhodes scholar, he's

this. i saw at this time other day. he's this, he's that. they have a picture of buttigieg. no, not that guy. cory booker. it is an interesting comparison. what do you think it is that buttigieg does that allows him to get more attention -- >> i've been asked this already, you were mayor of your state's largest city during a recession, jobs, transformed the school system and then you went on to the senate. a lot of this to us when we get into town halls, we're having missive conversions, we're seeing us gaining ground. we're now number three. we're leading the whole field in iowa, new hampshire and local endorsers. in fact, nobody ever leading in

the polls this far out -- >> you got to start to get to the votes. that's true. >> carter, clinton, obama were all way behind at this point. >> so what keeps your confidence up? is it the history has shown that you don't know until the votes start? does that mean that iowa is make or break or the second or third state? >> i think it's what a lot of the national media is missing. it's not polling numbers. when you see local mayors and state reps coming out and supporting us more than a lot more of these established candidates, that gives me

encouragement. and just the message i think our country needs to heal hand come together. the wait we fight and win comes from reestablishing community and connection. having that more specific in the organizing. this country right now is so fragmented and being torn apart. you see it in this partisanship, which is being like but fail to do the bigger challenge. the ceiling is climate change, big issues. the way we've done big things in the past, going to the moon to beating the nazis. when leaders bring us together in common cause. that's why i'm running. that message on the ground is persuasive and we believe ultimately as we saw with everybody, john kerry postgame at 4% and then goes on to win iowa. >> so you don't think the polls of being definitive but you do

use to it raise money. >> we have this artificial thing we've never seen before >> this litmus test. >> to make the debate stage. >> 4% in two national polls or one at 6% -- >> the fact they're using polling is a new challenge for us. please go to cory booker.com. what tom steyer is doing. pete buttigieg did it in iowa. we have to have the resources we need. >> we're putting out invitations in the field to give you equal time. thank you. >> thank you for being tough on an issue that i think, forget the partisanship. this go to the heart of what the really threat will be. russia wants us to attack the media. russia wants to us hate each other. to make us doubt truthful it's from their play book from documents that have been

released. we can't play into their hands. >> now it's, you can't play into their hands anymore. i never thought i would see anything like this, where i would have to beg a republican congressman to admit that russia played in the election senator cory booker, new jersey, running for president. lisa page coming forward and giving a very long, in-depth interview, why she's sickened by all of this president's tactics, especially ones like this. >> lisa, lisa, lisa, oh, god i love you, lisa! >> once again something that came out of this president's mouth brought out a real enemy. >> jim baker knew her, knew what happened then. we'll talk about it next. let's be honest, every insurance company says

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>> i wonder if it's the same insurance broker that rudy giuliani has. ladies and gentlemen, the president of the united states talking about lisa page, the former fbi lawyer who the president was mocking. and when she heard that, she said enough. it's been two years since we first learned her name. she's now breaking her silence saying that the president's attacks are like being punched in the gut. the president of the united states is calling me names to the entire world. he's demeaning me and my career. it's sickening. page worked for jim baker. jim baker, friend of show, cnn family now, was the general counsel of the fbi. he's here now. i hope thanksgiving was good. appreciate you are on the show. >> thank you, chris. >> the main allegation that requires attention is the texts between page and strzok betrayed an animus that infiltrated the

investigation into then-candidate and later president trump. have you ever believed that? >> i've never believed that because i worked very closely with lisa and pete, and i saw on a regular basis what it was that they were doing and what they were not doing. and i didn't see any evidence that any of their actions or failure to take logical actions were the result of any type of political bias. they were taking actions that made sense as investigators, that made sense as lawyers and, you know, they were not in charge of the fbi. jim comey was in charge of the fbi. the actions that they were

taking did not appear to be driven by political considerations. it just wasn't the case. >> now, there is an inspector general report that's going to come out about just this, and i know that you haven't looked at it but even if you have looked at it, can't talk to you about it. that's not my question. the idea is going to be if it comes out in that report that page was not found to have political animus influencing her actions, what do you think of the damage done by what this president continues -- doesn't matter what's in the i.g.'s report. we both know the president is going to keep saying they were out to get him. >> the human suffering the president has caused these people who made mistakes, pete and lisa made mistakes and those mistakes hurt the bureau, hurt the investigations, hurt their own careers, themselves and their families. they know that. they know they exercised poor judgment and made mistakes and they regret it, they're sorry about it. as human beings who make his takes, stop the presses, human beings make mistakes and exercise poor judgment, that happens. what happens on a day-to-day basis in public is they're both subjected to this kind of

language from the president -- >> he made their affair, which is obviously a personal matter and had nothing to do with the fbi into it being about him. it was like a love triangle as far as he's concerned except it was about hating him. >> it's so demeaning to me to hear the laughter to people hear the laughter people expressed during his statement. i just don't think it is the right thing to do. i think it's really quite reprehensible. >> she's out now, people can read the piece for themselves. she left in may of 2018. she's still very young and a talented attorney. it's an interesting window when this president decides you need to go. let me ask you something else, jim. how do we deal with these ukraine b.s. conspiracy theories? senate looked at it, run by republicans. mueller, the intel community released a report about it.

everybody who looked at it says it's b. is. >> and i have to pull out of them that it was russia in 2016. what is the play here and how do you deal with it? >> you fight corruption and lies with the truth and integrity and the facts. you continue to call out folks who, for whatever reason, decide they want to promulgate this type of narrative. it's done for political motive, as we all know. it's done to make the case for the american people so that the senate doesn't waffle in its support for the president, the republican members of the senate. i think you just have to keep at it and keep pushing back against the various defenses and defense after defense that's made by the president and his supporter just collapses in the face of the facts. that's how you have to do it. it may not result in the president being removed from office but hopefully it will have some effect on how americans any about their choices when they go to the polls in november 2020.

>> removing the stain of creating basically an orwellian culture of double speak, it was always ukraine, never anybody else but ukraine until we changed the story was literally right out of what we thought was a novel. that would be a much bigger prize for this country than even the removal of a president. it all goes together, jim. that little act about lisa page he puts out helps him make a mockery of an institution he need people not to trust if they're going to liberty to him about something like ukraine. thank you for helping us make sense of the senseless. >> thank you. >> all right, i was wrong. there's something you rarely hear. a top senate republican admitted right here on this show a week ago that he was wrong to push a 2016 ukraine conspiracy theory. i actually felt good about that. it was like a moment of clarity. but now senator kennedy is back pedaling and he represents a

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defend potus at all costs, even if it costs you your very soul. that's the gop approach to this impeachment. congressmen acting as potus' counsel when they're members of congress and supposedly investigating this president, ignoring testimony and now even peddling putin's propaganda that it was ukraine, not russia in 2016. when senator john kennedy became trump's beast of burden, carrying this b.s., we gave him a chance on this show to own reality, and he took it. >> i was wrong. the only evidence i have -- and i think it's overwhelming -- is

that it was russia who tried to hack the dnc computer. >> there you have it. the senator knows what is fact. every intel agency we have found conclusively russia hacked the 2016 election. the question isn't who. the question is how to do something about it. it's not about ukraine. but in trump land, all that matters is what helps him. that put kennedy in a bad position, and he, like the rest of his party, chose trump over the truth. >> do you think that the ukrainians interfered in the 2016 election? >> i do. i do. it is clear to me that ukraine did meddle in the u.s. election. >> it's clear to the senator even though he says he's never gotten an intel brief to back up any of what is clear to him. he doesn't need to, he says. he's read a couple of articles that suggest ukraine may have had something to do with it. that thinking has a "washington post" opinion piece labeling

senator kennedy as a useful idiot. now, i don't like the insult. we don't need that. we need a reckoning of this irony to undermine reality that russia interfered with our election, and remember why. because trump thinks that russia doing it because they wanted him to win hurts him. so he's trying to erase it. so he and his loyalists are trying to frame ukraine based on an idea cooked up by russia. >> translator: do you know, for example, that in ukraine following the elections, some people -- and these were public officials -- sent congratulatory telegrams to clinton even though trump had won? look, what do we have to do with this? >> that's not true. now this president is selling you the same tripe, and having the gop do it also. case in point, this 123-page blueprint of the case they'll be making in the house. none of the democrats' witnesses testified to having bribery evidence, extortion, or any high crime or misdemeanor. another thing you're going to

hear a lot in the coming weeks, you don't need proof of a crime to be impeached. this is about abuse of power, especially if it involved working with a foreign power. right, lindsey graham? 1998. >> you don't even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic. >> as for the facts, everyone offered proof of the exact same understanding. this president wanted to know if this b.s. about the dnc server in ukraine was true, and assuming he actually believes that, that could be a basis for impeachment right there on the level of gross incompetence. but the worst part is trying to sell you this b.s. about ukraine, not only shielding russia but literally selling russia's own excuse, which a star witness dismissed with a wave of her hand. >> this is a fictional narrative that has been perpetrated and propagated by the russian security services themselves. >> yeah, and now by our president and members of

congress. look, you can argue that what hunter biden did was wrong. if the president believes that or something about vice president biden, have them investigated by your buddy, lindsey graham, like he's doing right now in the senate. go to the doj. why did you go through the ukraine? you did it for cover, and you know it. and so do the people giving you cover right now. what happened here is obvious. the only thing that's not obvious is the right consequence. but in trump land, there is no moving back. only attacking whatever and whoever tries to stop you. and he's willing to peddle russian propaganda, destroy your confidence in our institutions, and threaten people personally just to get what he wants. remember this.

what he says nor any of his deputies can't be taken by themselves. why? if he has nothing to hide, if his top deputies never said anything like what was testified to, why won't he sit under oath? why won't he let them? imagine being in his position and knowing you did nothing wrong and that you had people who could prove it, and you wouldn't let them testify. he says he doesn't get the same rights clinton had when he was impeached, and he's right. he has more, yet he won't even have a lawyer show up. does any of this sound perfect to you? that's the argument. now, there's news tonight about one of rudy giuliani's indicted associates that could shake up the coming impeachment probe. that's our bolo, next. [sneeze and sniffles]

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bolo. be on the lookout. one of rudy giuliani's indicted associates just got a step closer to testifying. federal prosecutors told the judge today in new york that more charges may be coming for lev parnas, a man already accused of funneling money into gop campaigns illegally.

but parnas' attorney told the court that mr. parnas wants to comply with a subpoena from house intel committee and asked therefore for copies of materials that have been seized so that they can turn them over to congress. both the judge and prosecutor said, okay. you should expect to get it. in other words, if the feds aren't going to stand in the way, that becomes really interesting. could parnas or anything that he has become a last-minute piece of evidence in the impeachment proceedings? be on the lookout. thank you for watching. "cnn tonight" with the man, don lemon, right now. >> hey, how are you doing? >> hey, happy thanksgiving again. >> you as well. you ever notice something? here's what i've noticed. >> that you're tan and i look like a chicken leg before it's cooked? >> it looks good, doesn't it.