and all of our top ten cnn heros will be honored at the 13th annual cnn heroes tributes. i want to hand it offer to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> thank you. i am chris cuomo. welcome to "primetime." phone logs are in here. look how thick this thing is, 300 pages. they show major players making calls to people that are hard to explain away, often at key times. the most important question in any investigation will drive us tonight -- why? you have to look at all the people around the president and all the way to him contacting players and places that were key to pressuring ukraine and what does it all mean going forward? let's get after it.

now, the intel committee vote was predictable, party line, 13-9. this report cites overwhelming misconduct and obstruction by president donald j. trump. these are 300 damning pages of the house intel committee led by adam schiff. >> this report chronicles a scheme by the president of the united states coerce an ally, ukraine, that is at wa are with an adversary, russia, into doing the president's political dirty work. >> now specifically the report accuses of president of abusing his power. specifically the power of his office to solicit foreign election interference for his on political gain. quote, president trump's scheme subverted u.s. foreign policy,

undermined our national security. then they say it wasn't about just one call. it was a kabal. senior u.s. officials including the v.p., acting chief of staff and secretary of energy and others were active participants in or had knowledge of the personal political benefits sought by the president. this report makes the case that the president engaged in unprecedented obstruction. how? ordering witnesses and agencies to defy subpoenas, not to give documents, to be quiet on testimony. quote, donald trump is the first president in the history of the united states to seek to completely obstruct an impeachment inquiry. now, even the three other presidents who went through this process one way or another, johnson, nixon, not really because he resigned and of course present, they all complied at least somewhat with most of the requests.

and even then nixon and clinton were still looking at obstruction counts so despite trump's alleged efforts to obstruct, investigators gave us the biggest surprise in these 300 pages. these phone records. over the course of four days in april, the phone logs show -- this is not speculation, these are the calls, when, how long, from who and who whom, all right? rudy giuliani, his indicted associate lev parnas, the ranking member of the house intelligence committee devin nunes and a conservative columnist john solomon. they're all in communication with each other during key niems and during this story. the report details a coordinated effort to peddle false narratives about the 2016 election and about the bidens. and at least four phone calls or attempted calls fbetween parnas and nunes and including one call

on november 12 that lasted more than eight minutes. let's take a look at it with our in-house investigator andrew mccabe. thank you for being with us tonight, very important. the first question, i'm going to ask it to a member of the committee later in the show, these phone logs never came up during the testimony. do you think that couldn't be an oversight. was there some kind of rule about what could be asked about and what couldn't in that testimony? >> i doubt it, chris. i don't think so. as we said many times before, this is an impeachment, it's not a criminal proceeding, not a r grand jury proceeding. if the phone records were obtained through a grand jury subpoena, there would be some restriction. none of that really applies here. i think other factors may have led the committee to stay away from the phone records in those public hearings.

first and foremost many of the folks that are captured on the phone records didn't actually appear in front of the committee, which we know why that is. and so you didn't have someone there that could you ask on this day when you made this call, what did you say, what did the other person say? that's the sort of evidence you really need to peel down behind the phone records and we didn't have a lot of opportunity to do that. >> it's interesting of course, it's going to be interesting for nunes, he's one of the president's chief defenders, he thinks this impeachment is totally a miscarriage of justice. he had know or mash he didn't know but how could he not know that they have him in these call logs with parnas. he a guy that he vilifies every chance he gets, why is he on the phone with him? >> i to think about some of the

comments that nunes made and calling them a hoax and a sham and all that stuff and then he sits and listens to thele -- by the president and his allies in this smear campaign knowing he may have been a player in that very smear campaign. you're right, there's nothing prohibiting nunes for having contacts with the president's lawyer and the president's now-indicted friend and a very conservative journalist john tollman but it sure does raise a lot of ethical questions about whether or not he should have disclosed that to the committee. >> sometimes people can play it cheap. mr. nunes is more than welcome to come on the you have rudy giuliani communicating with the white house and omb, the acronym

for the government agency that was in charge of controlling this aid. now, one step backwards. this guy mark sandy came forward. he testified. he left over this this to his superiors, to his counsel and saying i don't know we're holding this, it may be illegal. the decision was taken from him. duffy takes him out of the loop and then rudy giuliani is making phone calls to omb at about the same time that these conversations are those about the need for deliverables before they get the aid. look, it can be a coincidence but the question is why, andrew? >> that is the question, chris. and the fochlt -- let's remember, he's the president's personal lawyer. he is representing the interests

of donald trump in the interests and i would say the electoral interests of the president, the fact that he now is contacting omb, it really raises the specter that there is not a single shred of credibility to the claim that the holding back of that aid had anything to do with fighting corruption in ukraine, which has been the president and his defenders' kind of last line of defense saying well, yes, he did all these things but bu he really did it because he's so concerned about corruption in ukraine. giuliani's involvement with omb and likely involvement with the holding up of that varietial aid cuts the legs out from under that defense. >> and how it ties to the with mark sandy. when sandy got pulled off of it was right around the same time that thee in a court of law you're just trying to prove

imtent, the thing happened. you didn't really get into motive, why it happen and if the president had the right intentions, that's effective. if he's using his power to fliens and pressure the government of ukraine and take specific action that he thinks is in lead with u.s. interest, that's called diplomacy. if he's doing it to collect dirt on his political rival, that's called an abuse of his office and that is impeachable. >> and one of the or remember, e narrative from the defense side, the white house side, is this is about one phone call between two presidents, that's the end of it. these phone log andrew mccabe,

thank you very much for helping us understand it through the eyes of an investigator. >> thanks, chris. >> great, helps us deal with why. but now you have to look at it in terms of, all right, well, what this means in this process how will this be handled politically? because that's what we're in so we're going to turn to someone who has a big say in all of this. an inten member who just voted to turn this over to the judiciary. what does she make of the phone lag, she can help us when and where this goes, next. [sneeze and sniffles] are you ok? yah, it's just a cold. it's not just a cold if you have high blood pressure.

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a lot of this stuff we process at the same time that we're talking to you about it. these phone logs make a lot of the questioning that happened during the testimony, some of it makes more sense now, why the democrats seemed to be assuming certain things were connected and certain people were connected, but on another level, i don't understand why they were working so hard. especially when it comes to congressman devin nunes. he was killing them during the proceedings, very raichous, they have is all bunk, this former ambassador, nobody was out tho get anybody, theirs no could ball, a foot. he had to know this. >> the allegations are great. him it is i think deeply concerning that at a time when the prz of the to dig up dirt on

a political rival, that there may be evidence that they were members of congress complicit in that activity. >> okay. democratic congresswoman jackie spear has called for the republican congressman to be investigated. she joins me now. so happy to have you tonight. >> thank you, chris. >> joel: all of these questions are actually really. i don't know the answer to any of them tonight first of all, these phone logs, why didn't you ask about them did the testimony. i don't understand because they're so useful. >> because the persons that were in the phone logs weren't being viewed act finding that we were doi doing. what's interesting about this, i mean, you can't make this kind of stuff up. you had devin nunes actually

cite sizing adam shif because he said he knew the whistle-blower, had met with the whistle-blowerer. all and les parnas is now an indicted individual because he gave morning money to president trump's political action committee, some 35,000. >> barnest has, in at pr i hope that's where it fechlt that he was on call logs with parn as, are you now not allowed to ask questions of the other members? >> no. it's absolutely not appropriate. they're not being sworn in to testify. >> so you knew this was out there. >> actually, i didn't personally know this was out there. there was what they call a dump of phone record that was made to both the democrats and the

republican. and it was a from of what is a fairly lengthy, i've been told, of sfrrld this is just the fact that an individual what had for -- >> it's what we used to look at at heta lf data. >> exactly. >> there doing is sfrk especially wb yun be. five second isn't a real phone call. maybe there are efforts to call somebody. >> for mr. nunez, how did the hole rules work in terms of policing the dip from the trosch

fwrsht -- so the phone call attracts nunez by virtue of the fact that it was attracting lef parnas's phone call. he just accident this parnas. my concern with mr. nunn else was if in fact who made that thirt last vienna or to europe. we do know he went to europe, had 65,000 dollars, sfri sfwrm. >> that's the allegation from ban fwrsh i've invited him on to the show to give his side of the story. but is thering in wrob, from but many person if he was using his

frufrs and spending that much p money to big up biden in ssh sfrurt and in the activity that you're looking at with the president for impeachmentment because the president's stort is this was really just phone call between two twrem flsh and this is in my view a potential criminal enterprise that went on for many months. i don't think it went on from july bawl through september. i think it fws back to 2018 when

then-president trump had a fund-raiser, which lef parnas came to it yk frsh and three weeks later parnas gives $325,000 to donald trump's political action committee. so this has been in the works for i'd say over a year. and bringing the sol ou that rashd the ap we still don't know really where it all is going to lead us. but it there as nar and this is just the end of the beginning in my view of this investigation. >> so let play on that. the end of the beginning or the beginning of the end.

there in terms of the reckoning of the two totally tinch sets of points of view on it. the party line vote was today, 13-9. there's no anticipation of any movement by republican in the house in terms of moving across the line and a from this president. what does that mean about the efficacy, the worthiness of this process? >> el washthe process is clear. there was bribery that took place by this president. in his commissionity, he used his office to gain an investigation into one of his own opponents. he withheld money for an ally that was fighting one of our adversaries. so pulling that aside, though, you really have a beginning still because we haven't been able to get any information out

of the administration. why is it 12 present and past why is there not one document from the state department, there the are so if you nothing to hide, why are you preventing people from talking to us? >> if there's one thing the president would want for them to give to, it's whatever the state department has the sfrb from having not said the wrong everything. he said i don't want a quid pro quo. in know he in i'd have to

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the impeachment report has a welcomed surprise, new proof in the form of phone records. they raise some questions but more importantly, they answer others. go what? knowledge, involvement of people around this president and trump himself and his chief defender, the ranking member of the very committee doing the investigation, republican devin nunes. now, in the $435 million suit that mr. nunes filed against cnn today, he attacks us on anything that could come from lev parnas. he calls him a fraud and a hustler. if it's not okay to get information from parnas, how does mr. nunes explain this, four separate phone calls with parnas with his name on them? why didn't he mention them when

he kept arguing there was nothing about all of this talk about parnas and giuliani's efforts? two rounds of phone calls, april 10, april 12. why? same time trump mouth piece and fox employees john solomon starts publishing stories hyping the russian-backed fiction. ukraine messed with the election, not russia. and parnas, as well as the folks in the white house and the omb. mick mulvaney still runs it. he's the acting chief of staff. they're in control of when the aid goes. that's early april. after the mueller final went to the d.o.j. but before the final report came out. were they hustling to create a distraction from the mueller report? ukraine is behind this election

int interferen interference, forget the russia report. and on april 23rd and april 24th, another series of calls between giuliani, parnas and white house officials. this parnas is not just a guy on the outside who doesn't know anything. now we know -- the next day joe biden officially announced he was running for the white house. that's all before you get to the president's self-proclaimed perfect phone call with his ukrainian counterpart. we now know for sure what the president wanted. the question for the democrats is can you show that's why aid was withheld? now, that takes us to august 8th. mark sandy at omb, the agency that controlled the aid, remember, he testified. he says at about that time trump's political appointee at omb took control of the money supposed to be going to ukraine. why? sandy complained that the hold

on that aid may be illegal. august 8th giuliani made some 19 calls or texted with either the white house or omb. around the same time sondland, volker, giuliani are talking deliverables with ukrainians. same time he's with omb about who controls the money and talking to ukraine about what they have to do to get the money. the only piece of evidence that muddies what seems to be a clear effort to pressure the ukraines to get after the bidens and conspiracy theory is one phone call, this mysterious september 9th phone call where the president said all the right things to sondland. remember, he made those notes, checked every box. he even used the latin phrase the whistle-blower did in the complaint that wouldn't come out until later but was already known about by the president. the intel report points this out. a call on september 9th, which would have occurred in the middle of the night is at odds

with the weight of the evidence but, more importantly, not backed up by any record the white house was willing to provide ambassador sondland. if that call didn't exist or is confused with another call, what proof is there that this president wasn't doing exactly what it looks like? if mueller had phone records like this, who knows what else he would have brought to beare n that probe. they once again inform the obvious. this wasn't one perfect call. it was a highly imperfect alliance of lots of pieces, players, all in the service of a potus with a poison pursuit, one that appears to have started as a cover for the mueller report and culminated with a president abusing his power by pressuring a foreign policy to help him politically. now, if there are other explanations for the calls and the testimony, we welcome it. this is about the truth.

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all right. so the democrats have laid out their road map to impeachment called the evidence of misconduct and obstruction, overwhelming in their report. potus, however, wasn't the only one accused of wrongdoing. who else might have exposure here? in what we learned today with the phone calls and the report in general, how tangled is the web that has been weaved with first the practice to deceive? >> mighty tangled, chris. i have prosecuted and tried bribery cases, and i would have zero hesitation in charging this against donald trump if he was chargeable, rudy giuliani and others. i think there's two things that cannot be reasonably disputed here. number one, donald trump and his administration held back vital foreign aid to ukraine and, number two, donald trump asked donald trump to investigate his political rivals.

were those two things connected? when you look at the evidence and bring common sense to bear, we're allowed to use common sense, no question. we can see it on the july 25th call between trump and zelensky. >> what's the basic defense, jimmy? >> there's just no valid basis for bribe rry or treason or anyf the things that would reach the level of impeachment. >> why isn't it a bribe? >> it's very easy to say in the context of a hearing where hearsay evidence is let in, anything they want to throw against the wall is let in. the rules of evidence don't apply. >> that's a process your party had no problems with under clinton. why isn't it a bribe? >> there hasn't been a secret grand jury. >> why isn't it a bribe? >> it's not a bribe because look at the end of the day, let's think about what was asked for here, an investigation of hunter

biden, not to convict him without a trial, not to go out and say he's a criminal, but to go and investigate hunter biden for something a lot of folks are scratching their heads saying why is this guy getting paid all this money to sit on a board he wasn't qualified -- if that happened with -- >> jimmy, you're making your own point. >> people here would be going crazy. >> you're making the opposite side's point. >> it didn't. >> if it happened here -- jimmy, look, if you want to filibuster, filibuster. e elie is to you. if you wanted to go after hunter biden or former v.p. joe biden, fine. have your pal lindsey graham do it, go to the d.o.j. and say it, say it to all of us on tv, but he went to ukraine and asked them to do it, why? >> and one other telling detail

is what did they really want, the deliverable? and the deliverable was not an actual investigation but an announcement of an investigation. this came up time and again. what they wanted was president zelensky to go to a microphone to do the cnn interview and announce he was investigating joe biden and hunter biden. i think mr. schultz a former prosecutor. if you wanted to do a corruption investigator and make a dent against corruption, would you ever get behind a microphone and announce, hey, we're investigating so and so for corruption. that's the last thing you would do if you were serious about rooting out corruption but the first thing you would do if you wanted a political benefit. >> if congress was really interested in conducting a true investigation here, they would have actually conducted an investigation in a way that a grand jury would take it, not leak, leak, leak, not turning over transcripts, not just setting the table for this political stage -- >> what does that have to do with the subsubstance?

>> it all matters, chris. all of the facts, all of the testimony has to be admissible in a court of law if you were there. >> no, it doesn't. >> you're not there. >> we're not there. >> in isthis is a political pro at its core. >> that's what it is. it's created as that. >> it's what 218 congressmen say it is. >> that's always what it's been. you guys started with a land deal against clinton and wound up with a sex act -- >> you can't have it both ways. >> you're the one asking to are it both ways. >> you can't have it both ways. >> jim, are those two things connected? is the foreign aid connected to the ask for investigations? yes or no? >> here's the thing, you know what, the evidence at this point in time, there's no direct evidence that shows that. it's a bunch of hearsay testimony. i don't think anybody's come to a conclusion on that at the end of the day that's valid.

>> well, mick mulvaney told us they were connected. >> what about what mulvaney said? >> it's not up to you, it's not up to me, it's up to the senate. it's clear that the house -- that the democrats in the house have made up their minds and made up their mind six months ago. >> the reason i'm shutting you down is because i must reject in cuomo's court any assertion that the process here is unfair. >> if we were in a real court of law, you'd be rejecting everything the democrats did. >> that's not true, though. >> it's a red herring, as we call in the law. it's a bogus point. you guys with clinton, you did a completely secret investigation that nobody could touch until you wanted them to. the president had more limited access at the judiciary level than you you were asked to have here that you rejected and you know it. so forget the process. you can't argue process here. i won't allow it because it's irrelevant. >> because you had a legitimate investigation back then.

>> ken starr started out looking at real estate and he wound up with a sex act. that's legitimate? that was the worst. let's never compare anything to that if you want any leverage. >> you're the one that raised it. >> i'm raising it that you guys are living that hypocrisy. elie says you don't see any connection between the aid and the deliverables. you said it's all hearsay, all hearsay, even though it's b.s. because we're in a place where hearsay is okay. why was rudy giuliani talking to omb -- >> because the process is flawed. >> why was rudy giuliani talking to omb at around the same time that mark sandy says who was at omb he was worried about the aid being held up and mick mulvaney who was running omb says there was a quid pro quo. how do you explain all that away?

>> at the end of the day, all of this testimony time and time again is all going to come down to, you know, there was no legitimate investigation, there was no testimony -- >> forget about it. that's process. how do you explain what i just said? >> process matters here, chris? >> no, the process has been fine. you guys had half the room -- you had half the room working as counsel for the president in that intel committee hearings. we've never seen anything like it. >> half a room with an arm tied behind its back. >> i have to leave it there. we'll see what happens with the judiciary tomorrow. once it starts to move, i love having you guys in to explain it and make the case to everybody else. you will not argue process here no matter how handsome you are. a whole lot of people are caught up in the president's messed. it's not one phone call. there are a lot of people with a lot to explain. it may never happen, though. what's it going to mean to

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all right. so here's where we are. if you want to ignore the obvious, then you need to explain it away. if the president isn't obstructing as it says in this big report from the democrats on the intel committee, why aren't the democrats that he and you say on the republican side will make all this go away -- why aren't they being released? if it was really just about one phone call, why are so many people including your ranking member on the committee making calls to people that you say are irrelevant and to places that you say had nothing to do with this? why are there so many calls to those people and places? if it's just about foreign policy and not about the president's political fortunes, why is rudy all over the place talking to everyone at key times and apparently driving the agenda of exposing ukraine and not russia as the 2016 bad guy

and going for the bidens? how about the vice president? why won't he produce a single document about his call with zelensky? the veep has called the report either knowledgeable of or an active participant in an effort to extract from a foreign nation the personal political benefits sought by the president. same goes for the secretary of state who said, if they're legitimate questions about the ukraine, we have to ask those questions. you know there's no legitimate questions about ukraine. where did you get that? the secretary of energy, the acting chief of staff, what do these people all know about this because they won't come forward and testify. and i've never heard of a situation where someone says, i did nothing wrong, and i can prove it, but then refuses to put up any of the proof. secretary pompeo, did you know anything about this campaign to get one of your diplomats? were you okay with it? who was telling giuliani and company that it was okay to get

her out? where is the evidence of the september 9th phone call? did it really ever happen? certainly you want to provide that. it is the only thing that has this president saying things that are not damning. so where is it? rick perry, one of the so-called three amigos, the energy secretary who just left. what did the president tell you he wanted in ukraine? mick mulvaney, double duty as the head of omb. boy, isn't that convenient? why did this political appointee hijack the money, take the ability to do the job from mark sandy and others, who were appointed to do it, who did that and started to overtake the process of when it would go to ukraine. why? and what in the world was the president's personal lawyer doing with that office on speed dial? why would giuliani be talking to omb? devin nunes, why are you on call logs with lev parnas?

you say the man can't be relied on. why? why did you call him so many times? why did you sit there and say everything is wrong? remember this? >> what was the full extent of the whistle-blower's prior coordination with chairman schiff, his staff, and any other people he cooperated with while preparing the complaint? >> i have no problem with those questions. however, what about your prior knowledge of and your prior contact with allegedly, on this phone log, to the extent it's true? you won't talk to us about it. isn't that something you have have brought up? there's a lot in this 300-page rrt. you've got credible testimony. this is not a course of law. it's a political process. that's all it's ever been against any president or anyone else who's ever gone through it, ever. so don't compare it to one and say this isn't as fair. it's never been anything but this. you don't get to ignore that. that's a fact. it matters. don't undermine the process. beat the process.

raises the question, if this is what we know, what are we missing? all along we've been asking, if the president did nothing wrong, why isn't he demanding that these people with the information come up and clear him? we've heard him say before he'd love to testify. no, he wouldn't. he doesn't even trust himself to tell the truth. but if they don't put up people who they say explain it away, how long can his party ignore the obvious? that's the argument. all right. coming up, understandably this would be a time for the president to be somber, reflective. you've got tomorrow's new phase of the impeachment hearings. instead, well, watch for yourself.

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the president is in london for nato meetings and it's going as expected. there was a weird moment with the french president, macron, when he joked about turning over isis fighters. president trump later offered, you know, something that is just -- you're going to have to judge for yourself about the next phase of impeachment. >> what advice are you -- >> we are winning so big. hopefully in a very long distant future you'll have a democrat president, you'll have a republican house, and they'll do the same thing because somebody picked an orange out of the refrigerator, and you don't like it. i learned nothing from that -- i think he's a maniac. i think adam schiff is a deranged human being. i think he grew up with a complex for lots of reasons that are obvious. >> the president of the united states, ladies and gentlemen. that's where we are tonight. let's bring in "cnn tonight's" d. lemon for a look at the state

of play. i thought it was a little odd that he picked an orange of all things. that might be taken out of a refrigerator. you know, i did a little quick looking here -- >> if the fruit fits. >> good one. i can't find the leader of any nation ever talking about their own nation like this. >> no. >> and i even looked at nations that were under siege at the time. >> yeah. >> like where there were real coups going on. they still talk about the prevailing wisdom of their constitution or whatever they're holding in high regard. and i got to tell you, if people listen to his words, don, i think that his party saves him. i don't think there's any real doubt about that at this point. they're going to choose trump over the truth when i think the only real discussion to have is consequence, not the facts. ity i don't think it will ever get to that. but what he just said, basically hoping that when the parties