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send over the articles of impeachment. we cannot manage it until we see what the process is on the senate side. and i would hope that will be soon as our resolution sixz 50 to describe what the process would be. so far we haven't seen anything that looks fair to us. so hopefully it will be fair and when we see what that is, we'll -- >> now, anderson, let me explain to the extent that i can, what is going on here. she is going to hold the articles of impeachment until she decides to send them over until they appoint managers to the senate, nothing can be transmitted. but there are a couple of other issues important to focus on. democrats have been outraged over the course of the last week over the comments of mitch mcconnell.
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the idea he says he's not an impartial juror, the idea that he's working hand in glucove wi the white house. they want to underscore they don't do believe what mcconnell has put on the table will lead to a fair trial. they know the united states senate is not on track to remove the president but they at least want to have the discussion about whether or not trial is going to pea fair. and by withholding these articles she believes, a, she has leverage and b, democrats can hammer home mccage won't lead a fair process. >> and what are republicans saying about this? do they think the speaker has much leverage? >> reporter: they were stunned. no republican had any idea this was about to happen.
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there-been rumors. and the second one is most republicans are chuckling about. the idea mcconnell would give up any leverage based on pautsz rr happen. i quote f the speaker thinks this magically gives democrats len leverage in the senate, she hasn't been paying close attention to how mcconnell operates. he's not going to move off his position that he doesn't believe witnesses should come forwrtd and doesn't believe current or former administration officials should come testify. however, i think everybody's wondering what's going to happen next. >> it is fascinating. and n tally and kristen powers. tim, letsz rr start out with you. i mean, it's historic what
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happened and fascinating what speaker pelosi >> we've had a few weeks to prosesh this. but one of the elements i wassent thinking closely about is this is the first time we've-an impeachment when the two houses of congress are not controlled boy the same party. and that's what makes what happened tonight so interesting. before the same party controlled both houses. so it was a procedural matter. it's now a political matter. this is the first time one of the houses has decided to test whether or not it has any leverage. and i don't know if there is, because as far as i'm concerned,
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mcconnell has every reason to play chicken. perhaps pelosi believes trump is so eager for a trial that's some leverage she can taked advantag of? i don't know. today we saw something that was rare. the impeachment of a president. forty-four individuals have been president. only three impeached. tonight we saw something unprecedented. >> what do you make of today from a political standpoint and historic as well? >> i don't think anyone saw this coming. there are a number of people making the argument they don't need be impartial in a trial. that they've already made up their minds. lindsey graham represents that school. under senate rules you're supposed to be impartial, taken a oelgt of immarshalty.
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and a law scholar suggesting you can do something like this when it appears the trial is going to be partial. now, i think it's tough -- nancy pelosi has-a remarkable record so far this year. in fact the past two years working with donald trump. and he's out smarted him on many occasions. but for weeks the democrats have argued leltsds rr get this over with. now they're going to hold it up for some indefinite period of time? wait a minute. let's go back to where you started. >> do you think ritser possible they would decide not to forward at all to the senate? history has been removed, the president has been impeached, regardless of what the senate decides to do. >> tatsds rr right.
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speaker pelosi has the option to withholds it. this is the first time a president has been impeached and there is ant set way this has to proceed. i think she has flexibility. both she and mccage are hardball politicians. i think we're going to see a clash of titans in terms of politics. but today, overall, was a win for the constitution. because what we saw is in terms of the process that the founding faithers laid out, they laid out a way to deal with a president that abuses the power of office. whether or not this goes to the senate. and even if is it did would be unlikely the senate would remove him, it's now in the hiszry
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books that donald trump was impeached. the house of representatives had enough voets to say his actions were an abuse of his offices. this is a process that has been since the founding of the country. and we really saw it play out today. i think it's worth pausing and acknowledging how remarkable that sfr our democracy. >> i couldn't agree more. i think in terms of what pelosi is going to do, i don't know enough about the houses procedures and how it works. but if mcconnell wanted to, he could probably say leave them there and we'll pass a resolution and say he's innocent. what donald trump wunts is to be able to say i was acquitted. the i was acquit fwhited by the
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senate. mcconnell can find another way to do that skb democrats wanted a trial. >> i've been through one of them and in both of the two bee we've-there were witnesses. schumer said we want four. there were four in the clinton case and they're mulvaney, and michael duffy, running the budget office -- thooez are people who would know first hand did the physical improperly stop this aid for political reasons? i know mr. trump has gone to the wall but mcconnell says i'm going to defend the president and i'm sure he will.
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his higher priority is to dchd peoplen and there's four off the top of my head and voters are going to come to them and say don't you think they ought to have a couple of witnesses who know first hand whether the president commitsed bribery? pelosi knows power and much does too. >> i think it's a mistake to take on mitch mcconnell on a procedural thing. i think his tea team is laughing. i think he'll confer 10 to 20 judge as week. innocency peleasy is base clay saying it's fair. so she just drew a line in the
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sand and the last thing is chuck schumer said i'm impartial. and this is what is wrong with politics and washington d.c. this is a solemn day, the constitution won. and year into talking fabs and -- now it's back the pall pkstp -- politics. >> if mcconnell says you don't send it within a week, we're done. is that good for either one? >> for the democrats, trump has a permanent stein of being impeached. and the courts at somepoint aren't go having to to rule.
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and go to the courts. now she can go there twoud believing. the president's rearksz his attack on a kbreeving widow and also law makers vote sood impeemp talks about her decision. >> sorry, i'm late. never been to this poort of brooklyn. >> it's new year's eve 2020. clear set and action. >> new year's eve live wp anderson cooper and andy cohen. >> there's no we i'm doing this. >> coverage starts at 8:00 on
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while the houses is voting to impeach, the president was at a rally in michigan. >> with today's illegal, unkaurngu unconstitutional, impart zn impeachment, the do-nothing democrats and they are do nothing. what they could be doing are declaring their depatriot and disdain for the american voter. this lawless impart zn impeachment is a suicide march for the democratic party. but thaey've been trying to impeachment from before i ran. >> and he took time to attack a grieving widow on the longest serving congressman in the seat thoef houses.
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talk about what the president said tonight. >> reporter: this is the longest campaign rally speech of president trump's presidency. often rambugging and teething. he startds by sieg it doesn't feel lining -- and the president tried to counter program here. he talked about the strength of the economy. but it didn't take long to focus his ire on democrats, telling them theyhead vote nancy pelosi out of office and nimmicing this crude interaction between bill and hillary clinton. perhachg the statement, following the death of her
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husband, he's paking her voef vote pretty. you know dingo from michigan? debbie dingal, that's a real beauty. so she calls me up eight month ago. but i didn't give them v-treatment or the c or the "d." i gave them the a-plus treatment. take down the flags? do this do, that. i gave everything. that's okay. i don't need anything for anything. she calls me up and said the nicest thing that's ever happened. thank you so much.
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thank you so much, sir. i said that's okay. don't worry about it. >> reporter: and you're going to mare there were audible drones in the crowd. they didn't receive that statement very well. the president saying the democrats should apologize for what they've done to his family and even thee he ez >> cogresswoman dingal quote let's put politics aside. my husband earned all of his acilates and you've brought me down ien we you can never madge and your hurtful words is that much thinger --
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>> what he did is absolult lae repulsive. and they think it crossed a line for him to attack her they that way. and the kkds he skbrusz did what you do. >> she gave me the hoora-plus treatment. >> his faulgter was a congressman for 22 years. skijt? >> 59 years. he served in world war ii before that to. by the way plrks president, you do make the call of who lies in stated in the rotunda. he was krulks to passing the civil rights act to creating
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medicare, the clean air act, the authoritiable care about. act. flrs and was widely admired on both sides. i think mr. boehner was sworn in, he asked mr. dingle to swear him in. and donald trump, not worthy to carry that man's boots. >> today he was impeached for his condulkt as a president. what that shows was his farkt as a man. and on that he could have been impeached a long time go. >> no one defended the president's karkts. >> right. no one said there's no way.
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>> right. john single is one dhf larsz people and she came after hip and she hea lot of friends in kungress. i think they'll find the as disgusting. but what it also tell uz is impeachment, nixon and clinton in the moudern times. >> and both cases resolved the issues. nixon resigned. and went back to work. this psz is so impateortant. what kind of presidency is this going to be.
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nixon was good enough to leave. but clinton wuvrlged for the good of the country. not for carrying out vendettas. >> i mean, is it -- >> no. it's not. her words are powerful this evening. the best thing i can say is the president is an entertainer and if you get on the stage and tack for two hours, you're going to regret it. >> he may not say he does. he doesn't talk to his own wife? >> i think anyone who said that in public forum -- look, i'm not defending it at all. no defense. >> i mean he-his rally and then
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he does his stick and now we're talking about it instid of the fact he was impeached for abuse of power. this is who he is but not what he's going to be impeached for. i think there's potentially historical pressdant for a president's character and conduct and the democrats considered a bhoel host of facts throughout this term he could have been impeached for. whether it's obstruction, whether it's his constant and incessant line that american people. and none of that is aim peach nl. and that is why the
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democrats- -- and won independents-to act today. >> i was working for newt gingrich when bill clinton was impeached. there were criminal referrals in the star report. it would always dismiss over to who actually liked him. what president does is trigger people on the left with things like this to the point they get so angry we'll move off of what we talk about. and he responds personally back. it's the same mistake we made. >> it's got to by weird for all these republicans. interesting for all these republicans who spent today
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defending the president, though not to on his character and process. standish up for the president. to, as soon as it's done, hear him attack a widow and her dead husband. that's the guy they're defending. it is his party and that is who they are planting nair flag on and going to the -- >> jesus christ more than once in a debate compared our president to our savior. >> i don't know why they do that? >> why do they compare him to jesus? >> no. >> i have just think it's got to hurt if they have an ounce of decency. it's got to at least hurt that i just spent this coop it'll and this is who he is.
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>> i'm sure it hurt democrats. the lowest unemployment since 1969. the lowest pay gap between blacks and whites in recorded history. manufacturing jobs are up. and that's why republicans are supporting the president. >> just because you have things you like the president does, doesn't justify this behavior. >> just because someone is a big and they smell good on a particular day, you don't forget they're a pig. >> he wasn't impeached because people didn't like him. it's not true and we know there are were many times indemocrats voted against impeaching him. >> fred upton tweeting quote, i always looked up to john dingal.
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in the lead up to the president's impeachment, his republican defenders stuck to familiar, not always correct, territory. when someone compared it to trial of jesus christ. >> 1941 a horrific act. and today is another day that will live in infamy. >> senator joe mrgt carthy's of our time. >> they afforded more rights to jesus than the democrats have this president. >> forgive them, father frrks they know not what they do. >> and having some perspective.
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how do you feel about what happened? >> is it was surreal, painful to wauchb the republicans, some of whom i know quite well, mock, laugh, make comments that were completely ridiculous. of the comparisons you showed. and a great affront to what the framers-in mind. from our side i was so proud of our democratic party. and people in tough districts who-to think about how they're going to deal with this whole situation. at the end of the day they swore that oath to the constitution and felt they-what they needed to uphold that oelgt. >> one of the things david pointed out earlier is we did not to mare congressman's
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murder. >> and that was true throughout. i sat through the impeachment markup when we were looking at the mueller report. and you never saw the republicans give a talking point. they would pull a few thangs out from defending the president,dersing kpae of the arg kbrmts they were thinking. >> nancy pelosi, her decision or at this point, not moving the articles or sending them to senate. >> you know, we have a righting to do that. i think her belief and many feel
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this way, that the senate has failed to pit if i am rp with those nose. they want a fair trial. they believe that we need to be able to call thesequence p witnesses. so pelosi is saying don't ask me to send over impeachment managers if it's not what this is go tag be like. >> wuyou support the house not sending the articles of impeachment? >> no, but i think it's hard to madge we wouldn't send them from the very beginning. i was in the jude igsziary committee room when mitch mcconnell announced he was kroo
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cortinating with the bhiesz. the same purse who sets the rules for the trial. and this is where sometimes i have seen the lim lgts of our constitution in the imagine nation of a the moundors. i don't think they anticipated a family. the argument for the democrats is we want to move this past f if that was the motivation on the timeline so far, isn't holding up sending the arg articles over for a trial in the senate? isn't that running counter to 2k78s have been sayic kbrour rr not talking about the rules of
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the trial turbed out quickly. hopeinally they get the trial tarted skb when they take that oelgt of impartiality, i hope they're brrmger remembering what that means. just ahead more on whether speaker pelosi can ♪ do you recall, not long ago ♪ we would walk on the sidewalk ♪ ♪ all around the wind blows ♪ we would only hold on to let go ♪ ♪ blow a kiss into the sun ♪ we need someone to lean on ♪ blow a kiss into the sun ♪ we needed somebody to lean on ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ all we need is someone to lean on ♪
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. more now on house speaker pelosi's delay on sending to the senate. mitch mcconnell is set to speak on the matter. >> the senate is meant to act as judge and jury to hear trials, not to redo the entire investigations because angry partisans russianed slopally through it. >> and back with our team. what do you expect mcconnell's move is here? >> does that sound like someone
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intimidated by what's going on? i saw someone on his team say pelosi pulled the pin out of the grenade and decided to hold on to it. so he's got this in her lap. her left wing may be doing this because they want to pick this fight. the left wing wants to fight. they think they can win a fight. so let's stalk about witnesses and keep this going. the moderates are saying let's get this over with. similar to 1998. the right wing was like we're going to get bill clintb no matter what. >> she's like macgyver. if she has a paper clip, chewing gum, she's going to make one. >> and air force 1 arriving back.
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>> we have, as democrats, a political gain if the trial is soon to be a sham. there will be a reaction to that. just like we'll have a quick vote and clear the guy. i think people are going to say wait a minute. once the house has the seoul power to impeach and they can do it any way republican voters are trying to do. >> get done dealing with this. >> it's not good for democrats. >> listen, i think it goes back to one fundamental and that is this president did not send a single document and blocked a key witness from coming to testify. >> which is unprecedented. >> it is.
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looking at live pictures of president trump arriving here in the joint base antd rues. it's been a day of consequence and history, of course. >> reporter: so we were talking before the break about the speaker pelosi possibly holding up the articles of impeachment in some of negotiation. and what i'm wondering is this argument that it's over witnesses. because i'm perplexed why they would pick a fight over witnesses. it might by mick mulvaney. it might be john bolton. >> hunten biden? >> i have low hope fat even if they were hauled in the senate and put in a chair that they would really answer questions.
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i think if they get there, they would ashrt executive privilege and nothing comes of it. so i'm a little securious why they think this is the fight to pick. >> i'm just trying to wrap my head around the circumstances in which mccage would cave. we saw him in the case of merrick garland and he went eye ball to eye ball with the constitution and he didn't gleeng. j i doebtd see what incentive he has to cave at this point. which means the speaker might have to and it wouldn't look good for her. perhaps there is a sense on her part that the president is so keen to have a show trial, because he loves tv, that might be reason for mcmunl mcconnell
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been quite a day and quite a night. the news continues. >> thank you, coop. welcome to a special midnight edition of "primetime." we've never-one looik pis friendship -- history has been maid and still being written. speaker of the house dropped a big cliff hanger after the votes. she isn't indicating when she will snd two articles of impeachment to the senate mp first of all, can she delay it, what does it sneen all we know for sure is it's time to get after it. you know part of the task, especially on an historic occasion is to figure out what matters.
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the absolute is the 45th president of the united states, donald j. trump, has been impeached. that word will follow his legacy no matter what else it involves, just like with bill clinton. now we're in the world of uncertainty. we know there's suppose ood be a senate trial but when? speaker peleasy says she won't sns them to the republican-kuj tro -- >> we have legislation approved by the rules committee that will enable us to decide how we'll send over the articals of impeachment. hopefully it will be fair and when we see what hat is, we'll sends our managers.
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