the absolute is the 45th president of the united states, donald j. trump, has been impeached. that word will follow his legacy no matter what else it involves, just like with bill clinton. now we're in the world of uncertainty. we know there's suppose ood be a senate trial but when? speaker peleasy says she won't sns them to the republican-kuj tro -- >> we have legislation approved by the rules committee that will enable us to decide how we'll send over the articals of impeachment. hopefully it will be fair and when we see what hat is, we'll sends our managers.

>> could you presume for weeks until you get what a fair trial is? >> we'll decide what that dynamic is and we morp the -- this is not something we have done raerb hoffen. and they get reres nl each time. and on how it has to happen. we're going to talk about this and it's debated over the nexed couple of days. what is for certain is this president has the fight grip of his party than i have seen in my lifetime. and that was about lying about sex.

this is serious allegations and you-zero defections. juns amash but he's not really in the republican party. that is historic. and this president knows it. >> i'm the first person to ever get impeached and there's no crime. i'm having a good time. it's crazy. . >>ier not worried because it's always good when you don't do anything wrong, you get impeached. they've chapenned the imfeemg process. >> he's right about the avlg nissing of the party. and in the is senate, could be a different story. we'll get into that as well. it haz binl an extraordinary day

and requires passionate mom, ashwa, all here globally mp. >> so let's leave some of the denser what ifs for a moment. what is it saying this far? >> thusz far is as you said, was there not a single republican to break against the president, there wasn't a single brun to tune stheed in his phone calls. i foind that announcing in terms of maegszerring the tribal zaelgz in this country and it is of korcourse the first in -- we

i guess johnson is the first term but he decided not to run again. >> they decided not to nominate him. >> so how this plays out with trump actively desiding to run for the election remines to be seen. >> we'll the first to run with the impeachment on the tours. >> the idea of what we know, the last couple of rounds, we've seen softening in the numbers of impeachment.

however, is your read on that a reflection on how the president feels about this. the. thes. say this. and the approval was 19%. fast forward after the 13 months. 57% without fox news. now fast forward to faentd nene hays a height hfr ring pecko system. about 50%, half the country wants this president impeached and removed. someone% of women, look at that number, women. and 71% of americans think the aid should testify. about 65 plus%.

so, you atsds up i think this is bad for president trump. because democracy works, i get to see rule in law. >> such a serious remedy for a parnlt like this to abush his power and mouping forward in the election. impeached. >> i think all we have to agree it's never good to be impeached, any way you slice it. >> we got to figure out what her play is. but what is -- how strong, plisically, is the he did this, he the coming argument coming? >> they're dueling narratives.

you creaked every maids the cases. >> and i think the fact that, at least the way it sands right now, very little chance reez rr going to be convixed and removed, showed the conviction as this memori'll that can be accepted to ocue aing nufs affpresidency. why doc said, this imp llkts our core demmen process. so, now we have to get to what matters. this is all about the people he cares about being vilktsmized. pelosi says i don't know when we're going to mand these over.

now, first, on there pltical side? my sense is it is like a gift. i have to get up on the senate site and the fact that they and democrats that donald trump is a national emergency. and yet she is holding off on the hosesthad could remuchbl hisoy foreign minister fr yarau. and glg are saying this a skbr to and be and the courts kierszs to place. . they're telling me they're roary

tee pea andem and pushback on the seconds point is we were just supposed to give you accusations. that's been somewhat lost in the dialogue. that's a good hind set >> i disagree. >> of course. >> a long, strategic move for the democrat. andrs and we're going to be impartial. we have taken fame partial going if the first typetop and the tr 38 to testifytop trgs and you need kbnss. so she can heeled on to this. she he's we've done our jube. you do your job.

you conduct a fair trial. i have some leverage and y long term. play for 2020. go after the vulnerable republican senators running. hang hank kunl and trump. and the same one repluved. hey, guys. they want all in, defend the constitution sfw foil and why with mccarthy? >> you're saved by the watch right there. when we come back, we'll be in heated arguments. transmittal of the parsicals of impeachment will be umfor them.

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the artdles get sent over physically to the kbruns senate floor and that's historically what triggered the senate trial. and until then they can say we can hold on to them and the big question is one, how long is the speaker willing to do this? and two, what will she get out

of this? there's talk of maybe this will give leverage to schumer in the senate and maybe give them an opportunity to hammer home the message that based on what mcconnell has said about his relationship to the white house, about the fact that he's not, quote impartial when it comes to this trial, that this isn't going to be a fair process. a process that you and i know is going to lead to the acquittal of the senate. we're in uncharted territory. >> i mean, look, the one weird thing that's going to happen is when mcconnell has to rise his right hand before god and on about the constitution that he will be impartial when he said he isn't. that's weird double speak, even for washington. what do you think hof appetite for sthenned?

>> the most interesting things -- there's been a lot of questions about what it will look like. there's one thing everybody agrees on and that is everybody was going to get the holidays. they were going to get agreement to break until some time the first week of january. when you talk to democrats, they have been so keyed on the idea that it only takes four republican senators to guarantee the procedures they got. >> a simple majority for those votes. >> on a resolution vote. and the idea with holding the articles helps them get the four republicans or more to come to their side is tenuous at best. the republicans somewhat on the fence, not necessarily moving the president but at least the process, want this to move in a traditional historically precedented fashion and this is not that.

tomorrow mitch mcconnell speaks at 9:30 a.m. he is supposed to lay out, in his view, what comes next. then speaker pelosi will have her press conference. however, shortly after that, pelosi and schumer, i'm told, are expected to meet behind closed doors to plot their process. and throughout all of this, we're go # going to talk to every member of the senate and get a sense of is this something you want to change? so tomorrow is going to be a huge day in terms of what comes next. right now we don't have a simple answer. this was a remarkable moment that the speaker would not commit to sending. >> it would have been a real -- what we call, bomb shell if she said we're not going to. but it's not just the latest, it's the greatest understanding we could have.

thank you very much. so interesting. what do we know? pelosi can buy some time. peloeschy can buy time because the senate is no treech shove this and they can't do it until they start doing their job. thens the then there's the biggest factser, the president.

our president's been

impeached. that's history. republicans are not just standing in lock step with president trump, they're arguing he has it worse than jesus did. and comparing his impeachment to pearl harbor. >> when jesus was falsely accused of treason, pilot gave jesus the opportunity to face his accusers. during that sham trial, pilot afford said more rights to jesus than the democrats have afforded this president in this process. on december 7th, 1941, roosevelt said this is date that will live in infamy. today is another day that will live in infamy. >> i'm joined by alaina, arksha. the reckoning of how upset they must be to make references to

the second deadliest attack on american ground ever and the cru cruseification of jesus. >> it tells me they've made deal with somebody nunwho for the fi time in life is being held accountable and is rage shouting victim hood. instead of saying moeaki we shouldn't compare president trump to, i don't know, jesus. or being staked or burned or literally boulders for being an innocent young woman in salem. he walk out perfectly fine. he-a rally. the victim hood and the wining

emanates from trump and has infected the republican party. the best gift for democrats is trump. he's going to self destruct. and why do you believe what he's doing is perceptable of his weakness and not strengths? this galvanizes people. don't underestimate the power of a demagogue. >> it galvanizes his basis. however, if i'm wrong i will eat crow. hollow crow. women, people in the country have underestimated women. the republican party have undermined women. we78 women will be the force,

republican independent women who probably voted for him. the last three or four years, especially as he attacked greta thunberg and nancy pelosi and her teeth, his wuforse impulses will come out. >> to add to raj's disposition, and a tweet out. this hurt her. the president knew it would hurt her. he wanted it to her hurt. he's okay saying maybe your husband is in hell. he didn't laugh, he doesn't care. hoi however, for the republicans to compare him to jesus and pearl

harbor and nobody steps out and says that's too much. nobody says whoa, don't say that about the 16-year-old with asperger's. nobody says don't talk about the deds man that way. >> chris, i cannot get into his crazy. honestly. i think what it demonstrates is cowardess on the part of the people that believe they eegtit have to get in line or they're going to be thrown out of the tribe. i do think what they're essentially trying to do is continue to pliticize this impeachment. and say it's a tribal thing. so going back on whether pelosi should move the impeachment

articles over -- >> not inresolution. >> i think this idea they can hold it in order to -- as leverage to get the senate to change its rules i don't think is -- they can to that indefinitely. and i don't think it's the right thing to do democratically. when someone is charged they have the right to a speedy trial. professor tribe argued, what would you do if you have an indictment and on your way knew the president was not going to do my job? >> in that case you could get the jurors kicked off. because the republicans have

been so brazen in their willingness to say that they're not going to be impartial, let them own the shame of not holding a fair trial. being impeached and then aquitted by a rigged jury is nothing to brag about. the presidential equivalent of o.j. simpson and he can hangout with that for the rest of his term. >> one of my loose rules is if something happens in rapid succession, it's probably something to pie attention to. the president, in his letter to pelosi, said you're insulting people of faith by saying you pray for me. earlier wide rr heard members of the gop side of congress saying, from a religious bent that the president was being treated as

badly as jesus -- its tlr third time we've heard them go to that. that means it's not a mistake anymore. >> house democrats launching impeachment proceedings is nothing like the cruseification of jesus christ for our sins of this entire world. wants to make that really clear. the seconds thing is from a historical stand pointed, it's interesting. because during johnson's img peachment, you-them argue that piled afforded you more rights in his trial than were given to andrew johnson. so that, along with pearl harbor shows we need to refresh our higs oracle analogies and not everything rises to those levels.

it just shows how much norms have broken down that for republicans, that wasn't even something to tweet on behalf of any member. it was just another day in trump's america. >> they said that also and this is what god want said was for him to be president. >> the language they would denounce barack obama. this is no longer overtones, it's quite explicit comparison. >> this is the talk. thank you very much each and all for making us better on such an important night.

so nexed guest has just gone down in history with his vote to impeach. congressman cicilline has been at the forefront of the fight. what.

it is done and things have changed. how a psz is living a new reality and so are we all. our 45th president is now also the number three with a giant mark of impeachment that will be an asterisk next to it forever. congressman cicilline, thank you for joining us. how do you feel? >> it was a very sad day for the country. i think we demonstrated throughout the koors of the day

we had no choice but to move f r forward with articles of impeachment. we heard a lot about america is based on free and fair elections. we promote that around the world. and the president of the united states nds mined the national security of our country, betrayed his oelgt of office and tried to cover up the conduct. we were left with no choice but to go forward with impeachment. we did taken a oath whether we began our service to protect and defend the constitution. >> if it's so clear, why not a single republican vote? in 1998, five democrats voted to impeach himt. he was saved in the senate by republicans. here, no cross overs. >> i think you have to ask the republicans that. i asked that question during the hearings. do you think it's okay too for a

president to coerse a foreign power? i said raise your hand if you would ask a foreign power to help you in your reelection and the question is why are they more loyal to the party than their country? why are fwha traying the national interests of our country by detrying it mockeracy. and this shouldn't be oo republican or democratic issue. we have a respuns a blrks ility that people look up to because of our respengt for human roigs and fair elections. it's never okay for any president to pick up a phone and get a foreign power to intervene.

this is a president who welcomed the foreign interference in the 2016 campaign. and then the day after robert mueller testified, when president trump thought he was free and clear of the first offense, he gets on the phone and starts to to coerse the president of ukraine to launch a phonee investigation of his two political rivals. this is shocking tv. this should have-brought bipartisan support. >> in term 06sz the support for the move, there's been a softening of americans believing in impeachment. and inpresident chsz aprump is up . >> right. none automr. none at all. this is about honoring the oath

we take and what i was so struck by was the extraordinary courage of so many of our colleague whooz ran in districts donald trump roon and in sdisricates where donald trump is still popular, that's irrelevant. this is about whether we're going to hold the president of the united states accountable and weather he can abuse the power of his offices. this is what the framers were talking about. and not advancing the public but his own personal good and that's why they developed article ofrz impeachment. we have no other choice but to do what we did. we took an oath, we need honor the oath and whatever it politics are, we need work that out. we need be able to look the next generation in the eye to say we

did everything we could to frotemgs fis p. and you think the partee would have gone along with it? >> absolutely. we have to do what the constitution and the evidence requires. there's overwhelming evidence of the president's abuse of power and effort to obstruct. they never once tried to justify the psz's corrupt behavior. we-no choigs and we have a responsibility to go back the districts and explain why we have to take them inside and choice and process. the speemer of the house ds we

want to see bhault shape that takes. i know there's a suggestion it's not now the senates r's trial frer for it's okpa and when i'm going to bring a movie. she wants to have a sense of what if procedures will be like because that will inform her decision of who to appoint for impeachment manager. frfrts if it has witnesses, that may require a certain skill set. >> where does she get the power to hold back the process? >> she has the responsibility to transmit it at her discretion. and i think it's perfect lee reasonable to insist we have

some understanding that this will be imparlgsz and saying i'm coordinating drejtly with the president. if the poor person of the jury announced i'm going with the defense. >> you're also arguing this is an ongoing crime and the president is a continuing threat. >> look, i don't think anyone's suggesting unnecessary delay but she waujts to see what the process is so she can make an imn formed judgment. i think it's sensesable and reasonable. look, this is a serious action by the house. we have accused the president of two very serious crimes. the senate has a responsesability to try to

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donald john trump, 45th president of the united states impeached.

there's no denying it, no eraseing it. and yet we're not done. there's a senate trial to come but when? in a surprise move speaker said she wanted to look at what the rules look like. the reason is to allow her to pick the right managers who will make the case. there's no hard rule or prosieger for the timing of transmission of articles of impeachment from the senate. so technically, if you don't have managers, you can't deliver them. >> that sounds silly but the house does have the power over impeachment. so one more vote and arguably they have time. but if the senate kim plained, they can argue once impeached, thigh get the ball

automatically. add a minimum any dishpute dd lay will cut the notion. thurjancy argument. so asiming you could delay a little, the question 1 why? these people all want to go home for christmas. the president. so there's twood chop and what toor carry and no reason to rush. so pelosi would have to identify going so fast until now only to holds up the horses. what ispo lohsy's dutee in the event she as riden to know the nemgted fies fawn-- honor the

constitution. g i'm not impartial about this at all. mcconnell, graham, they're all ha-ha. they're supposed to raise a hand to their god and swear to be impartial. are they lying then or now? profegser larry, helping the democrats deal with their strategy. he's the author for a trial. it means our tribe looks to the outside. as in ukraine. he built a fake village to try to impress catherine the grade bhoorks was then part of the rugds ruling foomally. trump's guides was computer. and that was the year or so

after it was written. and she's going to hand over and won't be fire. can she wait? can the senate makes the rules before the they get the argument? does stretchy pelosi stretch on this or moved miles away from hoegsing them want it. and now they're in violation of the constitution. there's having a strong hand and there's over playing the hand. the country has been through a lot. this impeachment has just made a crash in a turbulent city. there's a way to make haves that will raugsz on the shores. we want to avoid a trump tsunami

of rage, revolt, and revenge. the democrats say their oaths left them bound to impeach by dutdy. well, they did and there was no clearer valley and that's what it is a nightmare. he will make his pain felt by all. the constitutional imperative, now, is to get away from the politics as fast as we can and back to the words that argue most in the constitution, the first three. we, the people. that's is all for us tonight. thanks for watching. the news continues on cnn.

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