>> nobody came after him tonight. >> the reason biden is front runner and the reason people see the in him,er question he brought it back to jobs. the climate piece. i work with him on the climate in the white house. he spoke about it from working folks. that for a lot of people they want to hear that. we have beat the crap out of biden after every debate. he deserves credit tonight. >> you mention the moment which was really extraordinary. towards the beginning he talked about the fact he had incoming from the president against him and his son. as proof that he can go head to head with the president. he has to win the nomination first. and towards the end that moment with sanders was not just telling him let me interrupt. it was on the substance of one of the most important questions. which is how are you going to

pay for everything and is it realistic? which is the argument that klobuchar makes. that buttigieg makes in the very big divide that is this field. he did it more clearly with more strength. and in that moment. >> first of all it should be known that klobuchar is getting more attention from the media than i have seen in debates past. she's not the only candidate in the room. obviously her performance tonight is resonating. two, i asked this question for a reason. i'm not disrespecting democrats with the comparing -- you're not having this debate with the president of the united states. it's not going to go this way. at some point you have to -- start seeing the kinds of things that will allow you to win on the stage. >> you have a lot of smart

people around the candidates they do research. and they really probe to see what kinds of messages will resonate with voters. and if they thought that the way forward here to distinguish themselves was to go sort of scorched earth against the president, they would have done it. i think they were reading the elect or the. and it's baked in the cake the democrats deeply dislike donald trump and want to beat him. they need to distinguish themselves from each other. >> and have a message that touches the disaffection that dismisses everything he does because they are worried about something bigger than his behavior. >> they did. they did at the beginning. when they were talking about impeachment and given an opportunity to do that. essentially get it out of the way. before they started

discussing -- but they want to get that out of the way. discuss their and go into differences. i want to if you want to add to that. i want to switch to sanders. >> the thing about joe biden and the reason there's a sense that maybe he could be the guy who beats trump and the reason trump feels that way. he bought an impeachment trying to retard his progress. is he is culturally akin to many of the disaffected voters. he's an establishment figure and comes from a different place. and can speak to the voters. in the -- >> he's talking about spending less money. i know we all hear it all the time. everything costs money. is that what's going to resonate with people? >> the dignity -- a lot of democrats are insensitive to the sense of estrangement and

disdain the voters feel. >> sanders had been that candidate up until about three months ago. where he gets the anger. >> he still does. the medicare for all which has become the talking point of every moderate. you can't pay for it. i still think it's a real problem for him. i want to say about sanders who always by the way shows up and he's sanders. he is. the first thing you expect him to be. we learned more. it was his autobiography. he announced he was proudly ju jewish. and lived in israel. before he said you must be pro-palestinian. this was i sat there and thought wow, sanders. >> we never talk about bernie sanders. he's doing well in the poll. he's picked up and the fact is

sanders is as consistent as consistent can be. you know what he's going to say. you hear the hits from the 80s, 90s. everybody knows the words they sing along. and they love it. >> there was something that's new. that is the asen dense. enough to get him on the stage. of yang. yang has similar messaging. not entirely. very similar messaging on the forgotten man and woman to sanders. he does it in such a different -- >> we experienced it firsthand. we was talking about the biggest industrial revolution right now the fourth industrial revolution. what it means for young people. the cheap seats. up top where the younger people were a lot of the students were

loving it. bernie breaks in he realizes this my lane. says i want to talk about the environment for a second. and they didn't like it. there were moans and groans. >> third place among young votes. he competing with sanders for the vote. and the way he talks about the economy is actually different because of what you said. his explanation for what's going on is a very contemporary. and a private sector one. >> he has a real of what works in the economy. >> he is a threat to pete in ways that i don't think we understand. he shows when people is telling. in other words pete tonight he got a little bit rattled. he was punching bag pete for a while. he fought back. he wasn't that optimistic happy warrior he started. he was grim and determined. show the backbone. yang brought the light. he brought the the joy and

funny. and fresh ideas. watch what happens with them. people under estimate him from the beginning. he's doing something extraordinary. >> he's not talking from talking points. this is somebody who is clearly thought about things. digested things. written a book. it will be in our mailboxes. he's somebody who didn't just run for president because he wanted to be famous. he had ideas. and belief. and decided i'll give it a shot and he's one that seems to be surprised and a joyful warrior. >> he speaks so i think authentically and moveingly about the special needs child. i have a special needs child myself and i deeply appreciate it. >> that was a huge point. when he said today talk about sometimes things hit you. we have been through it so many times. where it hits you with your own personal experience. he said i don't know how many

are in schools out there, having special needs is the new normal in the country. if you have a kid in public or private school, do you know that is the truth. there's such an expanded understanding. it hasn't been met by the cultural understanding and how we deal with education. the point that everybody seemed strong the mayor from south bend had people coming at anymore two directions. women candidates and test ov how he deals with it. it's good to know. sure enough here he is. mayor pete buttigieg. tonight on the stage, we have been saying we think you guys were at your best tonight. is that about less seats? you knowing who mayor pete the candidate is? to what do you ascribe great performance tonight. >> our campaign and message continues to get stronger as we go. the contrasts are coming into focus. what you have up there is a good

faith contest among different ideas and world views. difference experiences. each making the case for why what we bring is the best. my case is beating donald trump. putting an end to his white house and trumpism. and realizing this is by definition a contest for the nomination and to be the president for the day after trump. focusing on policies that will solve the big problems. and do it in a way to unify a divided and polarized american people. >> let's shadow the swings taken at you. klobuchar, fair criticism that part of the downside of your im not part of this washington insider game is the criticism she made you don't respect the collective experience enough. you haven't been here to do it you don't understand it. fair? >> the suggestion is i don't understand washington. i understand them i don't accept them. the american people are fed up with the way things are going in

washington. we need to bring change. it might be a good idea to come from outside. >> follow was he's smart and good. he doesn't win big enough. he tried to be head oert part and didn't make it. >> here's the beauty of caucus, primary and election. the best way to settle the question is can you win is win. >> wine cave pete. not the catchiest. but it's on twitter right now. >> the mayor just recently had a fundraiser held in a wine cave full of crystals and served $900 a bottle wine. >> i'm the only person on the stage who is not a millionaire or billionaire. senator your net worth is 100 times mine. supposing that you went home feeling the holiday spirit. this isn't likely. and decided to go onto pete for

america.com and give the max by law. $2,000 would that pollute my campaign because it's from a wealthy person? i'm glad to have the support. >> i do not sell access to my time. >> senator, your presidential campaign right noi as we speak is funded in part by money you transferred having raised it at the exact same big ticket fundraisers you denounce. >> now, you did your home work. on this. you knew the record. it came tonight. it's not good enough to be in a who's worse situation. what's your take about money in the campaign how you get it and what the truth is about the reality of politics? >> first of all i'm the mayor of south bend. that's not a power house. i wornt be here if i hadn't worked a way to build grass roots support.

we have a million individuals who have given to the campaign. the average contribution is $32. i won't define the campaign about who we exclude or reject. we have to bring together all the resources we can. over on the other side trump will not tie one hand behind their back. that he put together $300 million in order to keep the grip on power. they're getting warmed up. we have to go to this with everything we have. the purity tests distract from the effort to make sure we bring everything we can to the ultimate goal which is sde feet trump and set up the era next. >> to the pros. >> i'm curious about your prep for this. you knew you had the incoming. you knew you were going to get attacked from all of the opponents. i think you thought it was going happen the last debate. this time it happened. and you were ready to go.

did it feel different? are we right about the fact you prepped in a big way? it's not just attack. it's specifics from the fundraiser from senator warren to the fact your experience is very limited from senator klobuchar. >> i think the bottom line is when you're doing well, folks might take you. you have to be ready to respond. i want to make sure when my campaign or my ideas are attacked i defend them. and i think it's a honest debate up there. about different ideas, different approaches. it was important that we move past the purity test. especially coming from folks who can't pass them themselves. >> it was honest debate. at one point you said you're a million to warren. and so is she a hypocrite? >> my point is demonizing donors

because they're millionaires. you can't say that. and contend that your campaign is somehow corrupted if you get support from wealthy democrats. >> the interest thing is we get the debate. i asked the same question. when you were up there listening to it, do you think that you have your head on the fight that you're about to have when you get out of this. of course every party has purity tests we have seen it. you come to the convention. there's a move back to the center. you have to be competitive. this race will be different. this man is the most judgment proof politician within his own party we have ever seen. he can say and do whatever he hpts. he will lose no one. you will not have that advantage. you don't have democrats behind you that way. are democrats ready for the fight you or someone will be in? >> we know what we're up against. we cannot only rally democrats

together. i'm meeting so many independents and folks who are future former republicans. they come up to me who ordinary lu vote republican. i'm not tricking they will. we disagree on things. the biggest thing is bring an end to the trump presidency. and restore decently to the white house. >> disagreement with decency was d display can you do that opposite trump? >> you can't deal with him having equal and opposite energy. you have to absorb and redirect. if you're playing his game. even when you're winning you're losing. when he lies we have to call it out. we have to confront it. >> when he bullies you. >> you have to stand up for yourself. deny him the signature quality. the ability to change the subject. i believe every election is about this question. from a voters perspective how is my life going to be different if you are president instead of

you. we have the better answer on issue after issue. defense in the past on guns and immigration. the american people are with us. he needs us talking about not their lives but him. >> we're pointing out of course the men were oblivious to it. you were asked would you give a gift or ask for forgiveness. the women said forgiveness. the rest of you were about gifts. >> obviously we can each have our part in the debate. defend ourselves. but no woman should have to apologize. for being fired up. for being angry. especially about what's going on now. and or for getting hot under the collar. we do. it's jendered. it's expected of men. it's probably the case the male candidate that you be viewed as

having something wrong with you if you don't get hot under the collar. sexism in politics a is different set of expectations for female candidates and leaders. >> you saw two great females up there tonight. holding their own. setting pace. thank you very much. best for the holy days. you, your husband and family. >> let's take a break. we have been lucky here. we had two people who made strong cases. klobuchar and mayor buttigieg. when we come back we'll have more coverage live from los angeles. figure out what resonated tonight so stay with us. maria ramirez?

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all right. we're back here in l.a. with the continuing coverage of the sixth democratic debate. it was strong tonight. there was disagreement with decency. is that the winning message for democrats? one of the people who made gain today. he wants to give himself credit

for knowing that yang would make a move. he joins us. thank you. your analysis. fewer people up there is that the end of the analysis of why people seemed on their game tonight? do you think it's finding your footing? >> it was a different dynamic. i have to say. seven is more compact than ten. so you felt like the ball was coming to you quickly. i enjoyed this much more. >> forget about better worse, smarter or less. why do you think you speak about economics and movement of the industry and evolution of the industry in a different way than other people up there? >> i spend seven years running a national non-profit that helped create thousands of jobs in primarily the midwest and south. so doing that work led me so see firsthand the impact of the automation in the communities. it's like if you want to

convince somebody climate change. bring them to a glacier. and automation bring them to detroit or cleveland. i did that work for seven years and i'm a numbers guy. they are staggering. i understand technology much better than the other candidates. in technology is 2340u transforming the economy in more and more powerful ways. >> the reality of the tech sector of the private sector is often ahead of government? >> oh my gosh. >> you have to speak their language. and you have to understand. schwarzeneggar has a great quote. he was used to geting things done in the private sector. not just movies. government he learned i have to speak their language and build a coalition. or there's no progress. how do you do that? >> we know that dc is 25 years behind on technology. we got rid of the office of technology assessment in 1995.

we have to play catch up as quickly as possible. with the rate of o change you can't afford to be decades behind the curve. you might have been able to get away with it in history. it's gone from being dangerous to disasterous quickly. i can help us play catch up and when i sat with the technology in silicon valley. somebody said something you would not expect. we need government regulation and government input on this. because we're making decisions that we should not be making. one of them said that all of the incentive on artificial intelligence are going as fast as possible and they'll do something deeply problematic if that's the incentive. >> i want to open it up to the floor of the better mind here. two things i thought stood out. one is that you said something that is so true for parents. you have a kid on the autism spectrum. that's the new normal. everybody seems to need something. that resonated with the room and

me. with kids in school. you were the only minority group represented. you could add women in that. you were ready for the question. you immediately turned it away from yourself in a way that was very non-normal for a politician. and you had statistics ready to telescope the issue into an argument about african-american, latin and emerging. you knew it was coming. why go that way? let me play it. here's what i'm talking about. >> it's both an honor and disappointment to be the lone candidate of color on the stage tonight. i grew up the son of immigrants and i had many racial against me. used against me as a kid. black and latins have numbers working against them. the net worth is 10% of a white

household. these are the numbers that define race. why am i the lone candidate of collar on this stage? disposable income. you need that to donate. the way we fix it is we take martin luther king, jr. message of a dividend of $1,000 a month for all americans i guarantee if we had a freedom dividend. i would not be the only candidate of color on the stage tonight. >> the yang gang. in full effect in the cheap seats. the students. you were mathing it up. make america think harder. why did you instead of milk it. about what it means about me and me. i'm an asian america and you telescoped it. why? >> i would never put my experience growing up as an

american and somehow frame that as representative of the experience of over 120 million americans of color. particularly because the asian american experience is distinct from the black experience. and it was 100% natural to give that perspective. no one wants to hear a sob story about a asian kid getting picked on for being scrawny. no one cares. they shouldn't. maybe a tyiny bit. i have kids that are scrawny. >> what's the rest of the floor have? >> i have a question. at the beginning of the debate, the questions were about impeachment. and i spent time with you in iowa. you mention this to me there. and said it again. that is the democrats are spending too much time on impeachment. now that the president has been impeached and heading to the senate for trial. do you feel that way?

>> i have been campaigning non-stop since iowa. i cannot even remember anyone asking me a question about impeachment. americans are not focussed on this in the same way the net works are. and to me there's a crucial number of zero. the number of republicans that signalled they'll cross party lines you need 20 in the senate. until that becomes greater than zero. it seems like a foregone conclusion. >> do you think it's hurting your party and whomever the candidate against trump will be? >> i was disappointed i seem to have the lone difference of opinion up there. everyone else was impeachment impeachment. americans are saying i don't care as much as i'm choosing between drugs or heating oil. or my kid is depressed. those are the issues voters are focussed on. >> you say you have to stop

being obsessed. obsessed over impeachment. is that the media? this is the president of the united states who was impeached yesterday. by the house. >> they can take it. >> you can't blame a tv net work for saying impeachment is like the news of the day. it is historic. as a candidate running for president, i need to be talking about things that are different from impeachment. >> will it effect votes? of moderates who might vote republican or democrat. do you see it affecting the election? >> what i see is reenforcing polarization. and it's also a missed opportunity for candidates to present a unifying vision of the country that can peel off people who are independent or

disaffected trump voters. >> you're making a marketing argument. and it's sensible. what do you do -- there's a constitutional argument as well. do you not pursue blatant violations of the constitution and the oath of office if you there's not an interest among the market for it? where do you draw the line how do you make a judgment? >> i'm proimpeachment. nancy pelosi did the right thing moving it forward. i will say i would be much more excited about it if they wrangle a republican or two. it is a very poor message to the country where you have all the democrats on one side and all the republicans on the other. but -- i agree democrats did the right thing moving forward. >> people are talking about impeachment. nobody is talking about

artificial intelligence and the national security threat china poses. and real cash in peoples pockets. people have jobs and no money. you were somebody who brought completely fresh thinking. you are so future focussed. but you have this grip on american mystery. and y history. and you're starting to move. you have out lasted governors, senators. billionaires. people in the house in representatives. household names are not on the stage. you are. why? >> we're having a conversation that americans recognize. as a the truth of what's happening in their community. we blasted away 40,000 manufacturing jobs in iowa alone. and iowa went to trump by eight points. this is playing out on main street around the country. amazon is closing 30% of stores and malls and being retail clerk sa common job. i have had the same message the entire time.

it's broken through to the american people. these are the real problems. and we have solutions. >> you have support from somebody i didn't think you would. donald glover. a hip hop legend. he comes out and doesn't come out for booker or harris. or obama. biden. he comes out for you. and more are coming. how did you get him on the yang gang? >> you stole my question. >> go ahead. this is a thrill for me. i'm a huge fan. someone on the team reached out to an agent that we knew in common and said next time you're in l.a. he wants to sit with you. we talk about the concerns and vision for the future. and we found that we were very aligned. and then from there we talk about different ways to

collaborate. i'm thrilled to be working with someone who sees the future as clearly as donald does. >> you're starting to steal sfr different parts of the democratic party coalition. moderate, young blacks and others. i think i'm proud to see that you're starting to prove a smaller stage you can get your argument across. >> the best to you for the holiday. >> you too. >> huge fan of the people. real pros. >> not a little guy. 6'2". 200 pounds. >> we'll take a break. after we take the break we'll come back. another candidate who made a lot of head way on the stage. senator warren. next. [farmers bell]

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all right. a very strong night here at the sixth democratic debate here at lmu in l.a. we're joined by senator warren. thank you. in advance merry christmas for you and the family. it was an interesting night. one of the skills a great debater must have is change a

perceived negative into a positive. you did that several times. one that stood out was this. >> senator warren, you would be the oldest president ever inaugurated. weigh in as well. >> and the youngest woman ever inaugurated. >> always good when the candidate is pleased with their own answer. >> i was enjoying the laughter. >> the meaning of age, viability, strength. what have you learned about what it takes to win and lead. >> i think of this in the context of this historic moment. the president of the united states was just impeached yesterday. because of corruption. it's been going on throughout his administration. he's had ambassador ships for sale. his wealthy buddies.

everyone's interest is ahead of the people of the united states of america. the way democrats will be able to beat trump is to draw a sharp contrast on that as possible. so he's the corrupt one, we have to be able to say credibly we're out there fighting for the american people. we're fighting for folks struggling to pay student loans. fighting for the folks who can't rustle up child care. the folks who can't pay medical bills. that's the distinguish. >> one policy point. you were talking about to buttigieg tonight -- i use the verb talking. there was disa greemt on decency. the idea of how he gets his money. he was ready for you and came back about you in the past. and no different than he is. why ignore the reality of the system. were you ready for the response?

>> i just disagree. when i made the decision to get into this race, it was because i see a government that for decades has worked a little better and a little better for those with money. and worked worse and worse for everyone else. look at one of the economy questions we got i was waving my hand on. and didn't get to talk about. gdp going up in the country. record corporate profit. it didn't happen because of gravity. it happened because government just piece at a time made the a little nicer. >> so did you. he transferred that money the same way i did. >> why did rules just keep working better and better for those folks in a democracy? money wins in washington. we have to be ready and willing to credibly make the case that's not who we are. >> are you better than pete when

it comes to money in the campaign? >> i have made it clear my time is not for sale. >> is his? >> i don't hold close door fundraisers. >> that was wasn't close door. >> not at the dinner. >> i don't think that's right. there weren't people in the dinner. >> the pool there was a pool there to cover it. >> the dinner. $900 wine. they were at a reception not the dirn. when the 50 donors who got the wine in the wine cave -- >> having media in the front part is not enough? >> it means nobody knows what was said behind closed doors. >> he's opened the fundraisers right? >> he said he opened them before that. look, this is about how we're going to behave as democrats. and whether we're going to say credibly to the american people i'm not here to fight for the billionaires. i'm not here fighting for the

big corporations. i'm here to fight for a family like yours. for your family. >> how do you respond when he says you're a millionaire. you are a millionaire. are you saying if i take money from you i'm corrupt? i didn't hear a response. if i run for office and took money from you would i be corrupt? >> i don't sell access to my time. whether you give me $5 or whatever is the max. i'm not spending my time doing call time. i'm not spending my time having private conversations with you. >> are you worried about the idea -- >> a photograph for $5,000. >> well said. when he says purity test. that resonates with me. there's something in the party where you have to be pure on every issue and above and people start feeling left out and excluded by your populism. which can sound elitist?

>> i don't see it like that. the american people aren't looking for purity. someone who is trying. and that's what i'm doing. i'm out there trying. i said i'll run a campaign from grass roots donation. i suppose that point i say go to elizabeth warren.com and pitch in 5 bucks if that's how a campaign should run. i call time. a couple people gave 5 bucks each. 20 bucks. because -- >> senator, you didn't answer the question. which is for six years you did raise money that way. did you feel corrupted by the money you were raising? >> i saw what it is that people expect. in return. i also understand -- >> you didn't give it. >> i understand that the american people who watch this government worked better and better and better.

for giant corporations and rich people. want to hear someone who credibly can say i will take on the billionaires. i will fight to beat back the influence of money in washington. i'm building a grass roots movement and the number one thing we start with is anticorruption. i'm the biggest ain't corruption plan since water gate. it's about campaign contribution and so much more. >> he made the point was the amount of money that will be thrust behind the trump campaign. and the republican campaign. it's probably historic. and is it responsible to disarm in the face of that and limit the amount of money that you can raise and spend? >> buttigieg said the democrats will tie one hand behind their back if they continue on your road. >> i have never asked other democrats who are running against a republican to disarm.

i don't believe in doing that. i'm telling you how i run my campaign. i'm running it with grass roots movement. here's the thing, you can only spend so much money on tv ads. so much money on internet ad vs. interin the ad. do you know what our advantage will be at democrats? the grass roots movement we build. the one thing that beats out the fake stuff that comes in over the internet or the air waves. it's face to face. hearing from the neighbor. somebody who knocks on your door. somebody making a phone call. reaching out at church or waiting at the bus stop for the kids to get picked up for school. we have to to do this by grass roots. if we take this country back and make it work for the people. build this from the bottom up. here's why i'm so joyous at this moment. we have an opportunity in 2020 that's not like an opportunity

we have seen in a long time. donald trump has taken a corrupt system and made it so much more corrupt. that millions of people are now off the sideline. millions of people are saying i'm in the fight and the door has opened a crack. when the door opens a crack, put your shoulder down and run hard. >> you have another question? >> big picture, the fight the debate over who the nominee is going to be is still very much a philosophical one. is it you or somebody like you who talks about revolutionary ideas and making sweeping change? or somebody who says that's not realistic, we will not win because the republicans the president will destroy us. with ideas like that. do you feel now that the debate sta stage was smaller. we're getting closer to the

actual vote. how do you think that that debate is playing out right now? >> so, i think what's unrealistic is to offer more of the same businesses as usual. and think you're going to inspire people to get out and vote. >> some people are scared. if they're not hard core democrat. i might be interested in a democrat. and what warren is saying scares me. >> i'm thinking of democrats, independents and republicans. who are ready for an anticorruption bill. i'm not talking about folks in washington. folks across the nation. democrats independents and republicans. who support a two cent wealth tax. democrats, independents and republicans who want to see us increase social security payment. i have that $200 a month for everybody on social security and disability. start with the things that we agree on. that's how we can win. we can win the democrats.

we can win the independents and we'll scratch off the republicans. >> how about the democrats who don't want to give up the healthcare? for a medicare for all plan. which would make them change. aren't they scared that maybe what she's referring to. >> 36 million americans didn't have a prescription filled last year. because they can't afford it. the people have health insurance. people are just getting crushed by the deductibles and copay. fees are going up. expenses that are not covered. here's my plan, as president, i will do as much as i can as quickly as i can for as many people as i can. i'll start with standing up to the big drug companies and bring down the cost of epi pins and insulin. >> what if i don't want to change my plan. >> that's where we'll start. that will save peoples hundreds

of millions across the country. >> you changed on this, do you acknowledge that? you have changed the sell on your plan to meet concerns that are expressed about price tag and musts. the most recent was we'll try this if people want to try they can. optionalty opposed to you have to give up insurance. >> i support medicare for all. this has been my transition plan. it's to gif the maximum amount of help to the max number of people as quickly as we can. and to do that without raising taxes on middle class families. by one penny. >> listen, i do think that i like that sales pitch better. it's under lying thing. it sound better. you keep talking about corruption, corruption. do you think joe biden now is wounded by this the whole thing.

they seem to be tagging biden as corrupt. do you think because of the fire he's taking he is now incapable of leading this anticorruption effort the way you are? >> what the president tried to do to joe biden is despicable. and i think most americans agree with that. >> has it wounded him? >> i don't think so. i think joe is strong on this pount. but understand this. when we talk about corruption in the system, we have to talk about whether or not someone is going to be willing to stand up to the big drug companies, to stand up to big ag. >> but not just willing in fact, willing in terms of peoples' understanding. so, joe biden has a son that did take a job that seems kind of weird, and does that make him less -- is he now incapable of carrying the argument to the american people, i'm against corruption because of his son?

>> look, as i've said from the beginning, we're going to have to make a credible argument that we are willing to stand up to giant corporations -- >> can biden do it? >> i think that i am the best person to do this. this is why i'm running for president. and remember this because you and i know this. this is what i talked about on the first day i ran for president. >> and before that. >> and before that. i put out the biggest anticorruption plan since watergate. it's about lobbying and pr firms and bought and paid for experts and so-called think tanks that just keep pushing congress in exactly one direction. and that is just a little something for the rich. just a little exception for the well-to-do, just a little nibble, a few word changes for the giant banks, for big ag, for

big tech. and understand this. people talk about gridlock in washington. there's no gridlock in washington. keep in mind that when they wanted to pass a tax break of a trillion and a half dollars, got it done in no time at all. five weeks? six weeks? but here's the deal. they don't pass anything else. why? because not passing anything helps them even though we see climate change bearing down on us. not passing anything helps big pharma because they just keep charging prices through the roof. not passing anything helps the gun industry because that means we're not fighting back. all of it, over and over and over is about an unwillingness to confront money and power in washington. it's time to make this government work not for those at the top but everyone else. >> can i just ask one thing? >> sure. >> just about this biden thing,

why do you think the president went to such extraordinary lengths to sully joe biden, the lengths that have landed him now in front of you as a juror under impeachment. why did he feel biden was such a threatening candidate? >> i can't get into the head of donald trump. that's just -- that's a really horrible place to go. i think that donald trump looks out for donald trump. and he looks out for donald trump's closest buddies who give him total loyalty, and he looks out for the other billionaires because he thinks they've got a whole bro thing going on. that's what donald trump does. and if he had to step on a cute little kitten to get something done that would help himself -- >> he saw him as a candidate. >> he saw an opportunity and took it. >> senator warren, let me take this opportunity, i know time is short. thank you for being with us. advanced merry christmas to you

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all right. thank you for following our continuing coverage of what happened out here in los angeles tonight, the sixth democratic debate. it was very interesting. seven tonight made a difference. there was a lot more exchange. it helped people to know they didn't have to fight for time the same way and points were made. joining us now, tom steyer. good to have you. >> chris, good to see you. >> best to you and your family, merry christmas. you made the important point of saying christmas. i like christmas. very good. the president thinks he brought it back, but it's always been here. it's good to hear that. we thought this was your christmas tie but you wear it all the time. it's become a little bit of your signature. your other signature on the stage is i know the economy better than these people with all due respect, so to win on the economy you can't do it from the washington perspective.

that's how trump beat you. i'm the only one that can go toe for toe. you get eye rolls across the board from your fellow competitors from the party. why are you right and they're wrong? >> look, i think we know how mr. trump is going to run for president because he said it last week. he was talking to, i think, the israeli american conference of americans and he said, you don't like me and i don't like you, but you're all going to vote for me because if the democrats get in control they're going to destroy the economy in 15 minutes. that's how he's going to run for president. so, whoever is going to be the democratic nominee, he's going to be on stage saying that and we're going to have to be able to take him out because he's a fake. he hasn't been good for the american economy. he wasn't a successful business person. he's a fake. he's been terrible for the american people on the economy and we have to talk about what it would look like to have true prosperity for americans, not fake prosperity. >> here's the rebound. you say fake prosperity.

55% of people, his highest positive rating on the economy. >> right. >> you ask americans are you better off than four years ago, the numbers are high on the positive side. they see him in a way that he has a grip on his party that no democrat in my lifetime has even approached. what are you missing about his strength? >> look, i'm not missing anything about his strength. i know he's a talent. that's what i'm saying. >> what is his talent. >> he went up against the most prepaured candidate in american history, someone i really respect. >> hillary clinton. >> and won. >> why? >> because he was able to make the claim that he was going to run the economy differently, that he was going to protect jobs, that he was going to reduce the trade deficit, and create prosperity. and that's just not been true, chris. >> he did something else that's important for democrats to figure out in the own way which is the anger is real, the disaffection is real. it's not just culture but part of it is culture push back is real. how do you reach those people

who are forgiving everything about this president because something matters more to them? >> let me say a couple points. one is i'm really running because this government is broken. okay. it has been bought by corporations. it isn't serving the american people. so, of course people are angry. but i think for democrats we're going to have to get over the idea that his base is not going to turn out. his base is going to turn out. i had this argument in 2018 where people were saying if we talk about impeachment it's going to inflame republicans. i was going relax, they're going to vote. the question is are we going to vote. and that's going to be the question in 2020. we need democrats to understand this is a generational election. we all have to show up. we have to turn the page on this cruel administration and this corrupt president. we have to have a different way of thinking about the future. and it's critical that everybody understand it and participate. and it's going to happen. >> one more question. then we go to the floor. did you create what could be the biggest problem for your party in this election which is as you

always like to say you were on the impeachment train long ago. we keep hearing in local elections, kentucky most recently, they didn't campaign on it. they didn't talk about it. each of you guys say people ask me about impeachment least. is that possibly the biggest problem for democrats to sell this principle of action on the constitution versus what a lot of people see as delay, politics as usual, the party with more numbers taking out the president? >> look, it's the exact same argument we had in 2018, chris. if you take a look at what happened between 2014 and 2018, in 2014, democrats showed up at a very low rate and we got killed. in 2018, the increase went from 35 million people voting democratic to 59. so, that was with impeachment on the table. the truth is going to be this. are we telling the american people twhaer different and we're going to have a different

offering for them. everybody understands what's at stake. i bet you right now a buck that the turnout in the 2020 election is the highest in anyone's life. we are on a generational election because there's so much at stake and americans know it. so, this fear that the republicans are going to turn out is not a fear. it's a fact. >> but in the short term, on impeachment, we just flew in from washington. >> d.c. >> d. kr. i w i was on capitol hill when the house voted to impeachment the president. all day long and for past many, many weeks, one of the main republican talking points that seems to be resonating even with possible republicans who were maybe waivering on whether to support impeachment is democrats have been wanting to do this since day one. that's in large part because of you and people knew your name because you spent a lot of money on ads calling for impeachment before we saw the mueller report, definitely before ukraine happened. so, what do you say to people

who say you gave the republicans a very, very big talking point and it's led to a partisan impeachment or contributed to it and maybe even the same -- >> this is the most corrupt president in american history. he started his corruption on his first day of presidency and started obstruction of justice on his first day of presidency. so, in fact they came in with a very limited grounds for impeachment charges. but in fact this guy's been breaking the law and breaking his oath to the constitution since the very first day. do i believe that telling the truth about him, that this is a situation where the republicans have been not partisan? they have been nothing but partisan about it. we're watching them absolutely deny evidence and break their oath to the constitution of the american people. so, does that bother me? of course i think it's terribly wrong. but what i know is this. they're going to turn out. the question is not are they going to turn out because we know they are. the question is are we going to give democratic voters a reason to turn out?

in 2018, as i said, the turn out went up 75%. in 2020, ten of millions more of us than there are of them. if we show up, we win. >> so, look, i agree with you that our turnout is key. you make two arguments that don't usually go together because your biography is so weird. on one hand you say america deserves the better billionaire. i'm the better billionaire. >> i've never used those words. those are your words. i've never used those words and i never would. >> okay. i will say it. you can make that case r if yourself. you make the business argument. but you also make the argument about the grass roots. and you make the argument about the importance of turnout. i don't think people understand how credible you are on that. in other words, you actually spent a -- as long as i've known you, you spent more time on the grass roots stuff than the business stuff. why do you think you can lead a grass roots movement and not just a billionaire advertising movement. >> as you know, i started one of the biggest grass roots

movements in the united states. we did the largest youth mobilization in american history last year. in the places where we're organizing, we more than doubled youth turnout. >> the reason i say this, we've got to leave the grass roots movement. most people would not think a white dude who's a billionaire is credible to lead a grass roots movement. you say i've done it. >> i've done it for ten years. it wasn't just 2018. look, i've been putting together coalitions of americans to take on unchecked corporate power for a decade and we've been winning. if you want to know who's beaten oil companies, me. if you want to know who's taken on the tobacco companies and beaten them, me. doing grass roots and winning. >> but you haven't won an election yourself. and let me play amy klobuchar for you for a moment. she was saying this to pete buttigieg earlier this evening. we need to -- we need to have a nominee who's actually won won a large scale. and she pointed to the electoral

prowess of the other people on the stage. you maybe have taken on lobbies, et cetera, et cetera, but yourself have not won an election. so, why should democrats say oh, okay, i'm going to nominate somebody who's never won before? >> actually i have won a lot. i just haven't won as a nominee. i've won propositions all over this country. >> i'm saying as a nominee. >> i'm saying -- >> what's the difference in your mind? >> as a nominee. >> i'm saying there's a difference, that's trust. people whoever is going to be the democratic nominee, americans need to look at and think this man or woman is someone who understand bs these issues, is credible, but also i trust him or her to do the right thing. >> and can beat donald trump. that's the point though. >> i used to think you were a wealthy man and then this guy mike bloomberg came along and

decided he was going to run for president. now you're middle class. >> i appreciate that. we can very well anticipate he's going to make the exact same argument you're making, i can go toe to toe with donald trump on the economy. and he's going to have -- i estimate he'll probably spend half a billion dollars between now and super tuesday on tv to carry that message. isn't that impediment for you if that's the lane you're trying to occupy? what's the difference? >> i'm a very different person from mike bloomberg. he's a business person. i'm a business person. but for one thing i've said i don't think mike bloomberg is an appropriate leader of the democratic party unless he's willing to accept and embrace a wealth tax because i think it's absolutely important for anyone who wants to be a democrat to accept the idea that the profound income inequality is unjust and critical to change and that the wealth inequality

is much worse and absolutely has been a redistribution from everybody else to the richest americans. and they're including him and including me. and unless you're willing to accept that, i don't think it's appropriate. but he's a completely different guy from me. >> how so? >> i've spent ten years on the grass roots putting together coalitions to take on corporations and beating them. you know, i've never been a republican. i've never made a speech for george w. bush. he has a different history. i respect mike. if he were to accept a wealth tax, my attitude is bring it on. let democrats hear your message -- >> if he says i'm good with the wealth tax, does the race still need you? >> definitely. i'm completely different from this guy. my point on this whole thing is we have a broken government. there's a reason that we don't have medicare for all or a public option. there's a reason we have this gross gun violence across the country. there's a reason we pay twice as

much for health care, a reason congress has never passed legislation on climate change and on and on. we have a broken government. i'm saying in order to change that as an outsider i'll put in term limits. i'll put in direct democracy. the american people are not being served by the government. >> how do you do that when you need a constitutional amendment. >> as far as i'm concerned, the actual leverage is direct democracy. what we see in 26 states is that when you collect signatures, when you can put something on the ballot and the people can pass a law, everything changes. t. >> it's just not in the constitution. >> i know. >> something easy to say as a talking point but hard to deliver. >> the point of a presidential election is to determine what matters. if you go back to 2008 people talked about health care all the time. lo and behold when barack obama became president, the first order of business was what he had been talking about. >> it wasn't easy. a mandate may be

unconstitutional. can you go back to it. >> the point is that is the example. the american people, when you run, you say this is what we're dealing with. this is the problem. this is the framework for my election. and then you say when people say oh no it's like no that's what the presidential election was about. >> i have another question on the impeachment question. without litigating whether those ads were helpful or not helpful to the cause, right now republicans are raining ads down on these members who were elected in 2018 about impeachment in those districts that trump won. do you have any money left to support those candidates now who have stood up? >> david, look, all the grass roots things that i've been doing in terms of the youth voter mobilization, next gen america, i'm continuing to support. i'm just not legally allowed to run it. the deal we had, the organization we set up with national labor unions for our future which knocked on 24

million doors is ongoing. i'm allowed to support it but not run it. all the grass roots things i'm still doing, just not running. >> and the ads. >> we're still supporting the need to impeach. but people are saying it's either or. i'm still doing those things. >> you're kind of the last big green standing. you're the last person standing saying climate change is a crisis. with had we try to do it under the obama administration, with e got hit. o are green ideas going to hurt people. they're going to hurt poor people. you probably care more about poverty and done more about poverty than anybody in the race. how are you going to stand up to people who say your green agenda hurts poor people. >> van, i've run multiple propositions around this country starting with environmental justice. my whole point that i said tonight -- what did i say every single time? if you want the right policy, start in the black and brown

communities where it's unsafe to breathe or drink the water that comes out of the tap. if you have leadership from those communities, you'll get the right policy. if you have leadership from those communities, you have the moral high ground. you'll win. so, take a look at every single prop we've ever run. we don't fit that in. we start with that. that's where we go. >> long way to go though, tom, because flint, michigan still has a problem and there are flints all over the country. i'm not saying you're wrong -- >> completely wrong. that's my point. >> it's hard for those communities to believe in any of this coming from government because they deal with the government. i know you've got to go. thank you very much. >> what a treat. >> in advance, best of holy days for you and your family. we see your wife over there. she looks better in the plaid than you. >> ophthalmology in your future. >> you've got a mic on. >> we're going to go to break so we can de-mic mr. steyer

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that we can never ever get to a place where we have cooperation again. if anyone has reason to be angry with the republicans, it's me the way they've attacked me, my son, my family. >> this was a strong moment for joe biden. welcome back to cnn's continuing coverage. we're out here in los angeles. we've been talking to candidates who made a difference there. we haven't spoken with the vp but he did speak for himself tonight. as we've been following, the president has savaged joe biden and his son, what he wants to project as the reality of wrong doing. we accepted biden to return the assault. he doesn't. how did that resonate? what did it mean to the panel. we're joined by the man i call the professor because of his deep knowledge. great to have you. so, the residents tonight are in agreement if on only this that joe biden had a good night tonight and seemed to be projecting more of what would warrant him being a front runner than he has in any of the

previous debates. do you agree? >> i agree. that may have been one of his best moments in any of the debates. it was articulated well. it seemed genuine. when you think about the voters he's targeting, his coalition and a lot of liberal democrats will hear that and go what world are you living in, buddy. but when you think about his audience which is primarily voters over 45 whether they're white, african-american, or hispanic, they believe in -- they remember a time when there was somewhat more comedy and accommodation and agreement and i think he spoke directly to his audience with that answer and many others in that moment. >> tom steyer just sat where you are and he was making a point that -- >> so, we average about half a billion dollars. >> you missed one of the best moments i've ever seen in one of these debates. van jones, tom steyer, said you

have consistently said that i am the better billionaire. we don't need bloomberg. and steyer says i would just like to say, van, i've never said that. i would never say that. van without skipping a beat goes okay, i'm saying it. that was van jones taking full graduation from unity organizer to pundit. so, steyer made a point which is the following: we know the republicans are going to come out. the question is will we? now, the reason i didn't quite understand his rationale is is the reason they're going to come out, is the reason they have unfathom able forgiveness for anything this president does or says because of a larger disaffection they believe he is the agent of because of impeachment which tom steyer helped ask. did he give the best kind lg to the flames of their furry at the polls impeachment? >> well, look, this is one of if

not the fundamental divides in the democratic field. what is the theory in the case of how you beat donald trump? there's one theory that says you have to find the nominee who will max out turn outin minorities and young people, especially younger minorities. there's one that says under donald trump there are younger pieces of the republican coalition that have been loosened. there are voters, even some blue collar white women who ordinarily vote republican who are open to voting democrat if you don't skacare them away. certainly biden, buttigieg, klobuchar represent the latter. bernie sanders, warren are in the former camp. as david knows very well you always have to do some of both. obama did quite a bit of both in '08 when he won. but not every candidate is equally skilled. democrats will be making a genuine choice because if you

pick joe biden you probably don't have someone as well suited as some of the others to turn out some of the younger voters but who may be better suited to win back pieces of the previous republican coalition that are uneasy about the way trump comports himself. >> we should be clear this is a function of the electoral college and the way we elect presidents. voters are older, whiter. they're less college educated. and biden has a better reach into those voters than some of the others. but elizabeth warren -- >> just for people watching, i hear it said a lot, but how do we know? we know trump's strength. he's 90 plus percent in that party. even impeachment. >> ryan lives with data more than any of us. if you look at the trials that have been run, i look a lot at the non-educated white women and joe biden does pretty well. hillary clinton lost them by 27

points. >> yeah. >> and joe biden runs roughly even with those voters. >> still? >> yeah. i mean, depends on the state and dend approximates on the poll. but the principle reason donald trump is president is so many blue collar white women in the midwest picked him rather than the first white woman nominee. there's another way to win. you can -- there's a path through arizona rather than wisconsin and that would be kind of more the argument of kind of mobilization side. but there's no path without michigan and pennsylvania. and that does require you to do some of both but to win back others. this is the big debate. i mean, you hear from the voters on the left and from the advocates on the left that we need a big bold agenda to turn out, you know, this new coalition. that's a big bet. that is placing a big bet at a time when maybe you're just asking the 53 or 54% of americans who consistently say in polls they disapprove of

trump to take you. >> when you hear biden tonight i think what he is saying is i represent stability. not a return to the past necessarily at all. he doesn't want to be that. but he wants to represent stability. and we talk about this all the time about a public that is exhausted by donald trump so that he can appeal to those exhausted or disaffected republicans. >> right. >> and you know, his problem, however, is with young voters because he doesn't have young voters. they're not interested in joe biden. but would young voters vote for him if he were the nominee? >> that's the question. >> that's the question. >> or turn out. >> or turn out. or turn out. >> they would vote for him -- the percentages would be good. the question is just whether they'll be excited enough in the right places. in the right places. >> would he motivate them enough to get thome the polls. >> that is the question. >> one of the things that i think is a big myth that we've got to live inside of during the primaries is if people vote on

the policies versus people. the people who care about policies no different between the public option or whatever. when you get in the long lines, that's about 20% of the people. 80% of the people are voting because they like somebody. >> who runs the beer test on that stage? >> i was looking at that tonight -- >> i'm sorry to interrupt you, but do you think that's the case for a general election? >> yes. >> do you think that's really the case for a democratic primary in this day and age? >> no d-- >> he was moving forward. >> you're talking about general election. >> yes. >> well, i always in my head on that note, i always have memories of brad who is the president's campaign manager. back then he was the digital guy -- saying that they did not care that then candidate donald trump didn't have the 17-point plan of health care or anything else -- >> exactly. >> -- because it was about how he made people feel. >> it was the same people.

>> they looked at it like steve jobs did with the ipod ad with the guidancing around with ear buds. nobody knew what it was. it was just how you i don't felt. >> that is true. and it's also true having been involved in the obama campaign. yes, he had distinct positions, but he was not -- this debate about how left we should go, that was raging then. and he was not at the left end of the party, remember? john edwards ran a populist left campaign. even hillary on some issues was to the left of obama. and it wasn't at the end of the day a specific issue although the war was motivational. but a sense of the kind of leadership that he would bring. and was the a broending kind of message that allowed him to win in the states that democrats had. >> who wins the beer question on that stage tonight? >> i think biden and i'm going to say it.

i think andrew yang. probably biden. but i would say that i think that people right now are looking for somebody that they feel can, as i said before, bring the country back together. but the trap the democrats keep falling into is that donald trump is embodying a particular archetype and the archetype is the rebel who gets things done. every time we say you're breaking the rules, you're reinforcing the archetype of the rebel who gets things done. and we invite the archetype of the scold. you are not following the rules. you are breaking the rules. so, the rebel versus the scold, the rebel will always win. >> just to add to your point, the people who vote for him -- >> they don't believe in it anyway. >> -- they believe it's rigged anyway. >> they were 45% in 2018. to gloria's point, it is worth about stability, it is worth noting that after the last two impeachments in modern times,

nixon and clinton, the other party won the white house and won it with a candidate that ran as an anecdote to the president. bush ran on restoring honor and decency to the office. it is possible there will be an audience -- >> let's hold the conversation so i can get in a break. you've got to listen to van, if that's the choice, biden or yang, you couldn't have more polar opposition in those two people. don't ask it in the break because we'll hear the answer when we come back. as we go to break, one of the most notable moments in the night, the subject of age. our post-game coverage continues next because it may shift tonight this topic. we'll show you how after this. (music)

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they didn't make that the issue of the night on stage. what is the reaction of trump and co? look at this tweet from sarah huckabee sanders. okay. no. this is the wrong order. so, sarah huckabee sanders, we need the first tweet from her. >> on the bottom on the left. >> there it is. i have -- i -- i -- have -- have -- have no idea what biden is talking about. he's making fun of his stutter. okay. he has one. everyone in politics knows or has damn good reason to know he has a stutter. he responds i've worked a whole life to overcome a stutter. it's called empathy. look it up. she says i actually didn't know that about you and that is commendable. i apologize and should have made my point respectfully. >> how do you ma how do you make a point about a

stutter? >> what he's referring to is an answer in which he was talking about young children who stutter approach him and he was talking through their voice. so, it wasn't even his -- >> he wasn't stuttering, showing that they stutter. >> making fun of stutters. >> it was the opposite. here's the question. as we saw with john dingell which is still -- i know we've said this several times. i have never heard a person in elected office let alone a president of the united states speak with such naked disregard for basic decency for humanity. i've never heard it. it didn't matter once again. dana says maybe we'll see this, it was pretty ugly what he said. but sarah huckabee sanders whether she knew or didn't know -- she's one of the most inept press secretaries of all time if she had no idea joe biden has a stutter. it still shows their inclination. they go ugly early, go mean

first, and it works. >> let me say she did apologize. i just want to point out we've got to the point now where people don't even apologize. i think sarah should have known. >> i'm fine with the apology. it's a good thing to do. it's better than what her boss does. i also have to be suspicious because what we've seen, what we saw with him, they go mean for the affect. they apologize. it doesn't mean the same thing as the initial attack did. >> couple points. my colleague john hendricks about biden and his stutter, it's a reminder, when you're on the stage with elizabeth warren and pete buttigieg, you see a deficit of fluency. you put him on a stage with trump and against that backdrop you get a surplus of empathy and decency. the match up is very different. here it's that he's not as hyperarticulate as these other candidates. against trump, it's a human

dimension of the way he interacts with people. i would point out that in 2004 bush won 90% of the people who said the economy was excellent or good. in 2012, obama won 90% of the people who said the economy was excellent or good. 40% of the people who say the economy is excellent or good say they disapprove of donald trump. there is a cost to his behavior. >> that's a good counterfactual. >> the behavior is reinforcing because he has driven away so many of the people he should have on the economy i believe by the way he's behaved. he has no choice but to gin up for turnout. >> that's why he wants to sully -- this is why, you know, to bring up ukraine. this is why sullying joe biden and his family is so important to him because if you put them together when you -- when maybe voters will vote on character which is something we talked about. >> you lose character vote to donald trump you've got bigger

problems. >> so, we always talked about with bill clinton with the character issue, would that count. >> right. >> and it never does. people say they're going to vote on character and don't vote on character. now, maybe they will. >> my point is in addition to the division between base versus reaching out to disaffected trump voters is the thing that buttigieg brought up before. do you beat trump by meeting ugliness with ugliness, provocation with provocation? do you play his game? i think he's right that if you do that you're always going to lose. he's going to be better at ugly than you. the game has to be -- i refer to it as a game. it's deadly serious. it has to be jujitsu. you have to take his negative energy and use it against him. there are people uncomfortable including the women we were talking about before. and so, you know, there's a different view of.

that you heard elizabeth warren, her language is very pugilistic. the question is what is the best approach to deal with donald trump. the concern about biden is ecohad be easily provoked particularly when his family is evoked. maybe that creates sympathy for him. >> on the campaign trail. >> one of the best things was tone. that answer he gave -- >> it was perfect. >> that is how you have to run against donald trump. >> exposing what trump is. >> also the way yourcarry yourself. >> my concern, and ron, please, check it with the facts like you just did with the counterfactuals about the economy. but i don't see somebody losing a character contest with donald trump. the point of it is that the people who support trump aren't assessing him the way democrats are assessing their candidates. they are forgiving of him in a way that democrats aren't. >> they believe, well, because by and large the coalition of voters who are uneasy about the way america is changing. >> right. >> demographically, culturally, and economically.

and they believe he -- i alone can stop these changes or at least save their position as the country. he presents himself in effect as a human wall against all the changes. they forgive an awful lot given that dynamic. >> so, can i ask my question. >> yes. >> the question i have is that these democratic or republican, will these voters -- now i forgot my question. go on, and then i'll remember. >> he's also the avenger of cultural avenger. >> i got it. wait, i got it. >> i just amped it for you. >> thank you for vamping. will these voters who may have questions about joe biden, will they see him as a band aid and say okay, i'm going to do -- i'll vote for him. he's not perfect. i'm not ready for the revolution of elizabeth warren or whatever. but i'll vote for him as a band aid candidate because i just have to get away from the exhaustion and i want some stability and -- so, he's sort

of my guy but he's not the future. he's just kind of right now. >> that is the underlying theory. >> but that's what he's running on. >> exactly. >> i'm here right now. >> if donald trump was not the president, it is very hard to imagine joe biden being the front runner. >> exactly, exactly. joe biden has said explicitly i would not be doing this right now. >> right. >> biden feels like he has to come save america from -- >> four years. >> be the bridge to the next democratic party. >> that's the word, the bridge. >> we talk about biden as a bridge to the white working class but he's got a lot of african-american support. his main support is the african-american community. i think something interesting is going on with the black vote and biden. i think the black vote and biden is the opposite of the black vote for obama. the black vote for obama was a hopeful vote. it was a vote for hopeful

change. this is a post-hope vote. this is a black community saying we just don't think that white american, main stream american is ready for socialist and women and all this other stuff. we are exhausted and we are -- it's almost a -- it's a post-hope vote. and yet it's a steady vote. when you talk to older african-american voters, they say biden. are you excited about biden? i just think he's what america will accept from this party. so, it's a very sophisticated black vote. >> that's exactly right. >> is it post-hope or practical? >> i'm saying the same thing. >> hope, you see somebody, you fall in love, you get hopeful. you might try something you wouldn't do before. this is the settling vote. i don't think it's the worst thing in the world. let me say one more thing about the base of this party, african-americans, latinos, the people we talk about. this stage has fewer people of

color up there. i had a fear race wasn't going to be discussed well. let me say something, this party and these candidates who are almost all white spoke beautifully and well about race, about immigration, and about other issues. and pete buttigieg who has got beat up a lot with regard to black focus relationship, he spoke very beautifully tonight. he got no credit for fistfight and food fight. he spoke beautifully. he even asked about reparations which biden ducked. he ducked from reparations. pete didn't duck it. he said you know the value of a dollar saved, what's the value of a dollar stolen. now, listen. that's barack obama level poetry on an issue obama wouldn't have touched ten years ago. i just want to say that something has happened in this party. i know it's scary to people in the republican party fearing it's being taken over, but there's something happening even with the white candidates,

anything that was off putting, they're able to address the fullness of the party and that was beautiful tonight especially given the color of the stage didn't match the color of the party and yet the politics did. >> i think robin would say -- ron has written a lot about the emerging american majority. you can't be the nominee of the democratic party unless you can speak to that. >> exactly. >> over 40% of the voter in this primary in 2020 will be people of color. and it may be as high as 45. states like california, texas, once you get past iowa and new hampshire, the next month is nevada, south carolina, the south, texas. the diversity of the democratic party is going to be on full display at the moment someone is going to take the lead in this race. >> same three words at the same time. very good. >> i bet we're going to say the same thing. >> i don't know, man. >> this is scary. >> the joe biden campaign spin

has a lot of truth to it. the spin is -- >> yes. >> -- he could lose iowa big time. >> yeah. >> he could lose new hampshire big time and still be okay. >> we were the only ones who lost both and won the nomination. >> i think that they have done a brilliant job of lowering expectations for iowa and new hampshire. give them that. as a result i think even if they finish close to the top in those -- if they finish fourth or fifth, they're in danger of the whole thing unraveling because it's hard to be the front runner when you're in fourth or fifth place. >> he could be fourth in iowa. >> he could. but now it's set up in such a way if he could pull off a surprise in iowa, he could be on the road to the nomination. >> what's difficult for him, a bronze in iowa is a gold medal. >> one curveball in this as the diversity comes into play, joe biden commanding position among african-american. bernie sanders is running well

among hispanics. latinos are polling the best democratic firm, polling in nevada where he's leading, polling in texas where he's leading. he got 46% of the vote in california. >> why hasn't there been more talk about him? >> i think people view bernie as operating in a narrow framework. the floor is strong and the ceiling is strong. we'll see. it is possible that as the diversity kind of emerges you could see a split between the states with a large african-american population. and if sanders can continue to be strong, he may do well. >> one of the things with elizabeth warren, but bernie's resurgence and he has had resurgence in recent months, it's a real problem for her. her bet was that she could consolidate the left. what's very clear now is that bernie sanders isn't going anywhere. >> it's the worst possible situation for the left wing of this party. his ceiling, bernie's ceiling, is too high for him to be the

nominee but his floor is too low for him to walk away. >> you heard what buttigieg said. he said whenever one of these people, one of us wins, the rest of us have to get on it. it can't be slow. that was a message that should resonate with bernie. sri to take break. we want to do final thoughts on the back side of the break ft it's good to have the professor for that. less than seven weeks away until the first votes are cast in iowa. and then everything starts to count. each result sets a new narrative. so, final thoughts on the road ahead next. seful music ] you have a brother in the second battalion? yes sir. they're walking into a trap. your orders are to deliver a message calling off tomorrow's attack. if you fail we will lose sixteen hundred men. your brother among them. we need to keep moving. come on! there's only one way this war ends. last man standing.

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all right. welcome back to our coverage. here time for final thoughts. it's always easy to look and make sense of what's happened. what does it mean going forward? that takes us into the final thoughts prochlt fess s thoughts professor. >> i thought biden had a good night. but the candidates were three, four, five, buttigieg, warren, klobuchar went after each other and ignored the two people at the top of the polls. ultimately warren is going to have to take votes in bernie

sanders if she's going to get to the top and buttigieg and klobuchar have to take votes from biden. they have to engage with the front runners even though now they seem content to elbow each other out. >> i think not only did biden do better than we've ever seen him before, what's also striking is that he probably had his best moment, maybe second best moment, at the end of the night at 10:30 eastern at night talking about the main difference in philosophy between him and bernie sanders and the fact that you can't just have a lot of stuff that you can't pay for. you have to be realistic. and also just kind of big picture, the fact that it was a smaller stage and it was more manageable and you've got as a viewer and for voters out there, you got to hear and understand what the candidates felt. >> gloria berjer. >> i felt the stakes cannot be higher. we are seven weeks before iowa which is why you saw klobuchar

attacking buttigieg and warren attacking buttigieg. what i'm waiting for and we haven't seen we've been talking about it for so long is warren and sanders. you were saying they need to get votes from each other and they still have not really fully engaged on that debate stage. and they could be disagreeg about medicare for all right now but they're not touching each other. >> van jones. >> yeah, you've got to give biden his credit. >> absolutely. >> he did it tonight. you know, those of us like myself are waiting for him to collapse, he's not collapsing. klobuchar in full flower. i mean she's really struggling. almost every debate, if she would do as well after the debate as on the stage. i think she challenged pete. when she says no woman with your record would be up here or implies that, i think she's hitting him on his weakest spot. he's got to deal with that better than saying i was in the military. and andrew yang.

>> you said buttigieg and klobuchar have to go after biden because he's the front runner. in iowa buttigieg is the front runner. his theory is if he does well there in and new hampshire, biden starts to unravel. in terms of biden and sanders, the hope was she would outperform bernie sanders and consolidate the left. she hasn't been able to do it. it's one of the reasons she had to stumble over medicare for all. the reason she doesn't want to do it and he doesn't want to do it, if they're going to get to where they want to go, they need the other supporters and bernie sanders supporters in particular would not deal well with a tax on him from elizabeth warren. so, they're both -- she in particular is in a bind right now because she's the one -- >> it's the first thing to be on a seesaw. >> yes, they are. >> and everything is going to change after you start having the votes. and you know, my quick final

thought would be be careful about your coverage because the media is going to be drawn to the top finishers and you've got to say discerning and let the information be empowering for you. some people are going to be talked about more but that can change. you have to stay open as well. one of our colleagues josh campbell -- jason campbell for a football player. he gave us a great idea to end on. it was used in the debate tonight about what gifts you would give to the other people on here. >> or -- >> or would you ask forgiveness. >> i would give them all a week off. >> very nice. dana. >> don't apologize. >> are you kidding? when gloria and i write our book about what it's really like, we'll give it all to you. >> what she said. >> i want to apologize for all the men on stage when it's time to apologize or give a gift only talked about biden or vote for me. >> well played. >> i care too much.

>> i offer my forgiveness for all of you for interrupting as i do to try to get into the mix. and for you my friend, my gift is endless, bottomless data. >> can i do an apology. in 2016, van jones and car nell bettcher both said to me that the perception of trump as awe racist would not be as disqualifying and that he could win. and he was right. >> why did it take so long? >> we all know that i need forgiveness and you guys show me forgiveness all the time with how you elevate what i'm trying to convey to the audience. my gift is gratitude. you guys are the best team in the business. i don't often get to work with all i don't have you this way. it is a privilege. you make it better for the audience, make it better for real people. and to watch it in person is tremendous as a journalist who's

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good evening and welcome to the pbs news hour politico presidenti presidential debate from los angeles, california. i'm judy woodruff and i'm joined tonight -- thank you -- i'm joined tonight by my fellow moderators, tim alberta. pbs news hour senior national correspondent. and pbs news hour white house correspondent. and now please greet tonight's candidates. they are businessman andrew yang. south bend, i