i'm brian stelter and this is a special edition of "reliable sources." looking ahead to 2020 and beyond. how will we all be consuming the news, shows, stories in 2030? here with the forecast of the decade to come is futurist amy webb plus the outspoken billionaire mark benioff has a prediction for tech as well and i asked him why he decided to buy "time magazine" and i'll speak with "usa today" editor

nicole carol about what we need to preserve and protect while so much of media is changing. let's take a big picture view as we begin this hour. this was the decade of streams and screams and the shared notion of truth. to see what has changed, look at some of the words that have been added to the merriam webster dictionary in the past ten years. there is bingable. that's a new one. screen time. cyber safety. also airplane mode. plus click bait, emoji, meme. that's a new one in the past ten years. and deep state, truther, alt right, idiocracy. think back to 2010 before any of those words hit our lexicon. it was the year the ipad launched and the year instagram started. in 201135% of adults owned a smartphone now that number is up

to 81% and still rising. you wake up and if you're anything like me, you wake up and we start scrolling. all day long our phone addictions have taken hold. these addictions start at a young age. new platforms keep popping up changing the way we communicate and changing our sense of community from kick starter in 2010, twitch in 2011, apple news in 2015, tiktok in 2016. this decade was shaped and reshaped by big tech. amazon, apple, google, facebook. they're not big tech, they are man mouth, gargantuan technology companies. they sit between news outlets and you the viewer. that has caused tremendous kiss rupgs to the media business. as digital took hold, magazines went out of print. more and more newspapers closed up shop. thousands of beat reporters have lost their jobs but at the same

time many new brands have been born from buzz feed news in 2011 to bot in 2014 and axios in 2017. there's been destruction, rebirth and many of the companies have made content to catch your attention in the stream because what really -- this decade has really been about is the social media revolution. facebook had just a measly 400 million users in 2010. now it's approached 2.5 billion. look at this. this is 1.2 billion daily active users on facebook. every single day logging in to facebook. and just in the u.s. 69% of american adults say they use facebook. that's 22% for twitter. facebook much bigger than twitter. we are in a world where algorithms, basically robots, are picking and serving the news served to us. it's served up with hyper

partisan news. it wasn't always like this. it doesn't always have to be like this. digital eco chambers don't have physical locks on the doors, but this is really the dissidence at the heart of the digital social media age. these tools can empower, connect us. news can spread at the speed of light but so can nonsense and lies. the same software that can make us feel safer and stronger can make us feel angry, alienated and bamboozled. we're all learning how to live digital lives. how to use technology instead of being used by it. how to stay informed instead of being misinformed. that is the biggest media story of the past decade. so now let's hear from our first two experts on this special hour-long look back because we're also going to look forward. nicole carol is the editor and chief of "usa today."

one of america's biggest newspapers and david zurich is with "the "baltimore sun."" what's been most unexpected about this decade? >> you're absolutely right that it's social media. it's the impact it's had on every aspect of our business. in a good sense, you're right. people can get information. i'm all about spreading truth. i love we can get it to them quicker. there's been two pretty catastrophic results as well. the brands are disembodied from the news. people are reading something and they don't know who is the source of this information. they don't know is this truth, is this opinion, is this a fact, is this misinformation? that's a huge problem and it has eroded trust in the media. the second issue is speed. in the rush to speed people will put misinformation out and you can't pull it back because it's already out there.

>> information is increasingly being weaponized and being used as misinformation. these are terms we didn't use a decade ago. what has changed the most? >> the rise of organized right wing media. we had this back with joe mccarthy in the '40s, '50s, herst was an excellent practitioner of it. this decade, brian, we saw it rise up sort of -- not sort of, in a very organized way and align itself with an etiology and candidate and weaponize information in that way. look, i think all of this about the revolutionary impact of social media and technology is true. but here's the battle for us in the media. do we embrace it, which we have to, which we love, but do we hold on to legacy standards? >> we have to. >> well, not a lot of people are doing that.

you cited the new outlets. not all of them hold on to them. that's one of the things that cheers me about this decade. major, the giant sort of brands in news, washington post, "new york times," cnn have found financial models in this decade that will keep them going. those are the people who will keep legacy values alive, but when you let social media drive your coverage totally. >> when you're covering what's trending. >> i'm working on a big piece. >> no, no, we've got to chase this because it's trending. that's the danger we have. that will steal our soul and lose our identity. we will be little rats chasing trending things. what's different from your brand? that's the thing. it's a struggle for our values, our soul, our identity and what we're going to be. i think it is, do legacy values get shredded by this or do we

find a way to blend them in. >> nicole, how do you avoid that from happening? there's less reporting, more aggregating. a lot of blurring the lines between opinion and news. all of these issues eating away. >> you have to hold the line. that's every single day we are holding the line. people don't trust the media. here's the source, here's the document, here's the video to see for yourself to regain that trust. you talked about the social media impact on trending news. also, it's on polarizing news. >> yes. yes. >> we have a lot of data on our users. we know how long they're spending, we know where they came from, we know where they're going. publishers know that polarizing headlines get news. they're creating a narrative that's not exactly true out there. we did a survey with public agenda where we surveyed all of america and they're quite upset about the divide and they think the news media has a big part to

play in it. 59% of them said the news media is pushing polarization for their own benefit. that's a problem. >> that's absolutely true. there are a lot of examples of that. a more positive trend has been the news outlets. the texas tribunes have been able to gain donations and revenue from subscribers and from readers. >> it's been wonderful to see, especially in communities that have been underserved. i think another positive thing are foundations giving to traditional news media. we have received grants from many of them and there's no strings attached. no influence on the content but they're funding coverage, education coverage, health coverage and that's a big trend that we're happy to see. >> what's the biggest trend you see? >> you know for the decade, brian, the most positive thing i saw was the take down of the pay the try a. >> the me too movement?

>> yes. les moonves, harvey weinstein, roger ales, these were the giants of media. all three of them, with a host of others, are gone from that landscape. that is a huge accomplishment in this decade. the women who stood up, spoke up are heroes. there are journalists like ronan farrell and others who helped further that. that's a huge difference. back before the old testament. you're not going to get rid of patriarchy overnight, it takes a revolution, but to get those people at the top of the media culture out of there and to send a warning. you saw how cbs changed in the wake of this. that's a huge change for us. >> so the patriarchy is the loser. what's the biggest winner of the decade, nicole? >> i think investigative reporting. >> right. including the me too movement? >> the me too movement. when we talk about me too, let's talk about the local journalism.

indy star, u.s.a. gymnastics. the media titans in that has been important and so has the local reporting on sexual harassment and abuse. that's been a big theme. as our resources get tighter, focusing more on what matters most. so i think you're seeing some of the best work we've had in the past decade. >> beyond the news media, what's been the biggest entertainer in the past decade? >> i think the premium services and netflixs. >> taking over the world. >> the winners are the viewers. you're getting great drama, great documentaries. the networks always wanted to save money. 30 years covering tv. i never saw more junk on network television. they deserve to be losing. >> a decade ago netflix wasn't making tv shows. "house of cards" didn't come along until 2013. this is a new phenomenon. >> yes. yes. it's unbelievable the myriad of choices they're giving you. brian, you know how hard it is

to make a document triz. you know how little bit of money is out there to make documentary makers make them. the fact that you can go to netflix, hbo or one of these and get money to do a proper documentary, that makes all the difference in the world. look at the netflix documentary on the catholic church in baltimore, "the keepers." brilliant documentary. those come so fast and furious now we almost can't keep up with them. >> the connective tissue between entertainment and news is the subscriber revenue. having that skin in the name, subscribers. >> stand by. after the break, some unexpected good news about trust in leaders.

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sources. i'm brian stelter. you can draw a line down the middle of the decade. there was the pre-trump age and the trump age. the president's hate movement against the media has worsened over time. he has inspired lead joeers of r countries to crack down on the media by calling it fake. when we take the long view we can see most americans see through trump's attacks. let me show you a gallup poll going back to 1997 showing you that the trust in the media has been relatively stable regardless of political party for many years. you can see what happens in 2016. the trump age causes a clear divergence. suddenly they express trust in the media while trust among republicans fell sharply. many of those republicans do trust some forms of media like fox news and radio. what we have seen is the polarization of trust. it is one of the key themes of the past decade. let's continue with david zuroic

and what needs to change in the 2020s? is that what we're going to call it, 2020s? what needs to change in the decade ahead? >> what i think we need to see changed and this is a moral sense, maybe we don't talk much about morality, but the kind of race baiting we heard with immigrants make us a dirtier nation on cable tv, on a mainstream cable television outlet with millions of viewers. we need to stop that because that has real world consequences, i believe. you know? and there's too much of it. there's too much of it all over the media really nasty rhetoric. people saying things without thinking of the impact of those words. it really reminds me of the mccarthy era, but the journalists need to step back. even if they're not journalists. even if they've sworn allegiance to a political operation, they don't need to take it to this

extreme because there are vulnerable populations in this country who are hurt by it. when you think of the -- you mentioned pro publica, that videotape they got of the 16-year-old dying alone in the detention center, those are people who are affected by these kinds of words. some hot dog cable host throws out there's somebody on a late night show -- primetime show thinking they're going to get more viewers with that. we need to stop that. i don't care if advertisers boycott, i don't care how we do it, it needs to stop. >> nicole, what needs to change in the years ahead? >> super easy, fake news. i celebrate a diversity of opinion. it's wonderful what makes us diverse. >> actually fake stories? >> actually fake stories. >> stories actually made up. it has to become socially unacceptable to spread those stories. we have to call it out. i ka tull out all the time. not true, here's the truth. we've got to make it -- it's got

to be unacceptable to make it. >> what about threats to journalists? we all agree there's been a rise of threats against journalists partly because of the president's rhetoric. got to change. got to stop. some things that don't need to change, some things we need to hold on to. >> number one, support of the fishs first amendment. we can't take our freedoms for granted. we have to choose them and defend them. defending the first amendment is the most important thing we can do for the health of journalism moving forward. >> david, what about you? >> we have to hang on to legacy values. we can't say we can compromise on this one, we can compromise on that one but we'll keep that one. that's the difference. that's what earns us the guarantees we have under the constitution. we have a public obligation to serve those values of truth, of giving citizens information they can trust. if we don't have a verifiable,

reliable stream of information in the society, we don't have a democracy. then you couple that with consolidation and news rooms getting hollowed out and nobody covering the state legislatures or the city halls and we're in big trouble on democracy. that's what i think really, really worries me right now. >> another thing i hope we don't lose is this renewed sense of purpose that many journalists feel. yes, it is partly related to trump. any time you have a politician misleading the republic, there will be a renewed sense of needing to fact check or verify or debunk. you must feel that in your newsroom, nicole? >> right. i love how people are rallying to the call of local news. >> right. you're a national paper. >> right. >> your company has a lot of local papers across the country. >> 260 across the country. we're seeing people get behind their local news outlet. we talk about news, voice, ai, ar, of course the platforms will continue to change. here's what's not going to change. the need in a community for

independent professional local news. local news strengthens communities and that's not going to change. >> david and nicole, thank you both. we are just getting started this hour talking about gathering and producing the news. it costs a fortune so who's paying? two billionaire families have two very different ideas about the direction forward. paul huntsman is the publisher of the salt lake tribune and mark benioff, the owner of "time magazine", hear his prediction about the future of media next. s hundreds of travel sites and filters by cabin class, wi-fi and more. so you can be confident you're getting the right flight at the best price. kayak. search one and done.

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"the atlantic." "time magazine" is a part of this trend as well. mark benioff and his wife lynn acquired "time" in late 2019. with me is the afore mentioned mark benioff. author of the new book "trail blazer, the power of business as the greatest platform for change." thank foyou for coming on. >> what's it like being the magazine owner hat? >> well, i'm thrilled to, you know, be a steward of this historic brand. just being associated with this 95-year history of "time magazine" and the ability to give it the fuel to keep going forward, that's what really excites us every day. >> i noticed recently person of the year of course you had on the cover there the famous gr a

greta. i think people wondered given how outspoken you've been on climate change if you're influencing the decisions of the magazine. >> one of the decisions we made is we wouldn't get involved in editorial decisions. we also made a decision that we wouldn't get involved in operational decisions. like you said, we have our hands full already with lots of other exciting things that we do every single day, but we want to be able to be the stewards of the historic brand and give them this ability to move forward and give them the fuel to move forward and that's really our correlationship with "time". >> does that mean you're willing to lose money? you put one of the headlines on the screen. i want "time magazine" to be unshackled. what does that mean? >> i do want "time magazine" to be unshackled and what that means is that our world today needs more trust.

we are in a crisis of trust. when you look at what's happening with social media, decisions made with artificial intelligence, next generation of technologies especially in regards to media, we're finding ourselves quite vested in a crisis of trust. >> yes. >> "time magazine" can be a steward of trust as we move through this. it's one of the core values of time, trust, impact the core magazine itself and that it's about equality.t-i-m-e, that's called it "time." we so strongly believe that that has to drive us forward and that's really why we're so deeply involved. >> you've been talking about the next ten years this hour. in ten years will there be a print edition of "time" still? >> oh, absolutely. you can see the print edition is probably more popular than ever. if you've seen the last issue which just came out, the person of the year issue, i think it's probably the most successful issue of "time magazine" of all

time. you can see there's a resurgence of consumers who are excited to receive the magazine at their home every week. the team at "time" is incredible and the work they've done over the last few weeks to deliver this issue is probably some of the best work of their lives. >> thinking beyond "time magazine." you've been outspoken about where the tech industry needs to be. where do you see big tech, including facebook which you've been critical of, where do you see them moving in the coming years? >> you can see facebook is the new cigarettes for our society. it's something that badly needs to be regulated. it's something that is not good for us. it's something that the company is out for our kids and they're certainly not exactly about truth in advertising. even they have said that. that's why we're really in squarely a crisis of trust when the core vendor themselves cannot say that trust is our most important value. look, we're in a moment in time when each one of us at every company has to ask a question,

what is our highest value? what is the most important thing to us? and you asked why we got involved at "time magazine." because that value of trust, that's been associated with them from the very first day of their founding. >> i know facebook has been under a lot of scrutiny. you and others have said it should be broken up. do you expect that to should happen? >> i do. i expect a fundamental reconceptualization of what facebook's role is in the world and what facebook's role is in regards to the word not just trust but truth and when you have an entity that large and that much fund a.m.al impact and not doing much to improve the world, you have it in the cross hairs. since i first made that statement which was in january of 2018, at the time i don't think people really understood what i was saying. today i think it's crystal clear

that our fundamental role and relationship with facebook needs to change. >> what about your own media consumption patterns? how do you consume news media these days? >> well, i consume media in a lot of different ways and, of course, one of my favorite ways to consume media is "time magazine." >> plug. >> the second -- the second part of consuming media for me is, you know, i'm an avid user of one of the social networks, twitter. you and i are both on there. that's been important to me. also, i have subscriptions, physical and digital subscriptions and i spend a lot of time with that every single d day. you mentioned facebook and cigarettes. what is twitter is that heroin? >> twitter is different. there's no finish line when it comes to building trust. they've gone through their set of challenges but for sure

facebook has been the biggest offender. as an example, you know, you can see both organizations made very different positions in regards to political advertising. >> that's true. that's a good point. >> let me wrap up with you. a big prediction in the next 10 years. where will we be? no big pressure. >> artificial intelligence is the biggest driver of change in media and all of our lives. you can see that. i'm sure you have voice-based ambient computing. talking to alexa, google home, apple pod at home to get some of our news, to get entertainment, to get information. our software and systems that are around us, our phones, our cars, our homes, they're paying attention to us. they're listening to us and we're talking back to them. and that is going to become a huge, major change in terms of media over the next ten years because as those systems know more about you and understand

what you want, if you opt into that, it is going to start to give you feedback and you're going to start to see things that look a lot more like a scene out of the minority report than out of a page of "time magazine" ten years ago. >> marc benioff, thank you for the prediction. >> good to see you, brian. >> you, too. earlier "the new york times" asked can paul huntsman save the salt lake tribune by pulling it off in a nonprofit? can he? the answer is coming up. robinhood believes now is the time to do money.

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it was a matter of finding a sustainable pathway. >> you decided this paper effectively is a nonprofit because it's losing money so it should being a nonprofit. >> quite frankly i didn't realize how poorly the condition of the news media was in today. if you look at the migration going from print to digital, you're replacing print dollars with digital. some people like to say digital

dimes, i like to refer to it as digital pennies. as part of that transformation over 2,000 local newspapers have shut down and i see that trend only continuing as less people access their news from the printed product, you will see dailies here in the next few years transition from a print product to a digital product. "the salt lake tribune" is the firsts nonprofit route, to make this transformation. do you see what you transition ? >> yes. yes. i would say there's probably been a couple dozen publishers that have already reached out as well as a number of different law firms who are representing other publishers asking what the playbook looks like as they are

looking to go down a very similar pathway with their old newspapers. >> i wonder in ten years are we going to have big, national brands like "the new york times" and the washington post and mostly nonprofit papers everywhere else? is that possible? >> look, as i really look at the landscape of historic and legacy newspapers and markets of our size, as you transition from a print product to a digital product, again, i really don't see how you can look at any other pathway and still have good watchdog and impactful journalism. you can continue to cut your way back and perhaps be a glorified blog and still have resources, but for communities of half million to 2 to 3 million people, you know, you need a strong base of journalists. >> yes, you do.

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social media seems fun and even frif voe lass at the start of the decade but the 2000 teens endsed with a widespread criticism of twitter and facebook for enabling and worsening a world of alternative realities. i often hear people say we live in a post truth world. i reject that. we are not post truth as long as some of us are fighting for facts, data and reality. this decade was marked by something best described as truth decay. the term was coined by the rand corporation. it is decay, indeed. we are way past cavities at this

point. we're talking about root canals. i even thought about booking my dentist for this. let me bring in jennifer cavanaugh along with oliver darcy and amy webb. webb is the author of "the big nine, how the tech titans and their thinking machines could warp humanity." we're going to talk about the thinking machines. first to you, jennifer, on truth decay. what are the main drivers of truth decay? >> it starts with cognitive bias. we're predisposed to believe false information and to really cling that information once we believe it the first time. that's always been around. that's not really the main driver. the main driver that we point to in our book is changes in the media landscape. this would include the rise of social media which makes it really easy to spread disinformation as well as the diversity of sources that are available. it's really easy for people to find information that confirms what they believe regardless of what they believe. >> and this book "truth decay"

came out a year ago? >> 2018. >> it crystallizes the idea of what we're living through. the political, social polar ryization. oliver, to what do you put most of the blame on this snnchts you reject -- >> no, we do not live in post truth world. >> that's because we live in multiple worlds. some worlds do happen to be post truth. the media has been fragmentized. if you are liberal you can watch msnbc. the media is very fragmentized. some of these worlds happen to be post truth. i think what's going to be interesting moving forward, in the next decade, how can media organizations puncture, pierce these other alternate universes to disseminate information for those who are stuck in the alternate universes.

that will be interesting. >> alex jones got one thing right and that is that we are living in the age of information wars. it's become obvious in the past couple of years that information is being weaponized. >> without making a giant confusing reference, i would argue that we're living in multi versus. we are on the cusp of what's called synthetic content. >> deep fakes, dumb fakes. >> kind of like deep fakes but intended for good purpose. anybody who used to watch soap operas, imagine characters that look or feel real but were created using all different types of ai technologies. they're great. they show up on set when they're supposed to. they don't act bad and do all kinds of terrible things and they can be programming and they can be personalized. this is really interesting except that recently there's a company called d.i.d. that started generating beginning

tall copies of real famous people and you can think of this as sort of analogous to escaping copyright infringement. they very, very gently tweak your features just enough so that they can't be sued. >> wow. >> you can unleash these sort of digital twins out now all over the place which is going to make the problems that you're talking about all the more complicated as we start a new decade. >> sometimes these analogies are being used for good, they can be turned against people. >> that's right. there are plenty of circumstances if you were able to modulate and dub somebody else's voice, it makes it easier if you are producing movies for international audiences or imagine a soap opera tailored to your particular tastes. the challenge for this technology is it can be used for evil versus good. >> it will be more difficult to track because we're moving towards private messages. >> right.

>> private groups on facebook, et cetera. >> right. right. we're moving away from the broad media and everything being very fragmentized. much more difficult to keep track of misinformation, disinformation when there are 1,000 different places where things are spreading. >> to be fair, zuckerberg did pivot to privacy earlier in the year. a lot of people have forgotten that was their initial position. >> this is getting much more personaliz personalized. there's so much more data available to us either to a tech company or an actor with nefarious intent. imagine getting messages that there are threats to your family members, threats to your house, specific threat to your region intended to really cause a panic or undermine trust in institutions. that i think is a real threat that we haven't thought about. >> this is getting scarier, scarier, i have to be honest. how does this relate to the news media, jennifer? how do you see the news media reacting to these threats and

resolutions? >> the first story pushes news outlets whether we're talking television, print, social media to get things out fast and to not necessarily verify them first. that can be to these viral trends that end up being hoaxes or false information. so i think thinking about what we do when there seems to be some kind of panic or crisis and we don't have the full facts, what do we do in that first hour? that's something the news media can think about and should be thinking about how you report and think about profits and balance that with public safety and the greater good. >> let's take a quick break. more with the panel in just a moment here on reliab"reliable sources." arily smooth. dewar's. double aged for extra smoothness.

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think of the devices you accumulated in the past ten years. a voice-activated assistance like alexa.

there are new gadgets in your cars like spotify's car smart assistant. there's all these devices. we are really living in the smart phone age. so what can we expect from media and tech in the next ten years? the panel is back with me to discussion that. will the smart phone be attached to the hands? >> the 2010s introduced us to the smart phone and 2020s will be the beginning of the end of this product that with all hold so dear. and there's many reasons why. we have gotten to the point where there's not a lot of additional features that you can embed into it. it will start to recede into the background. what reare places that is is smart glasses, accompanied by rings and very likely bracelets. and if you stop and think maybe that sounds crazy, we have everything we could possibly want to do in one device, if you were to go back to the '90s, a

lot of people were carrying around portable cd players i had a a portable is the is the lite pro that doubled as a self-defense weapon it was so thick. we were carrying all these devices that converged into a single smart phone and we are at the beginning of another divergence. we'll have all kinds of peripherals ask devices that help us get there our everyday lives that we wear rather than hold. >> for your future today study, another forecast in the letter to put those on screen. any others that are relevant to media? >> i would say that there are several. i mentioned earlier synthetic con tnt. this sounds hokey and busineiza but there's another aspect to deep fakes that's not just about intention untilly trying to mislead people. we're going to start to engage with all different types of content that's been generated for us. we're at the beginning of augmented audio reality.

so at the beginning we'll have glasses on that you won't necessarily see an overlay with, but rather you'll have digital assistance leathered to your ears. >> interesting. >> there's those kinds of things happening as well as scoring. everybody alive is being scored this one way or another. that has serious implications, both good and bad for the content that you see. the prices that you pay and generally how you perceive the world around you. >> it makes me think about media literacy and tech literacy. that's something that just can't be stressed enough. the need to be literate a about these devices and the platforms and this content being piped to us. >> the challenge is is that technology changes quickly, but institutions like schools change really slowly. so right now, what we see a gap between the skills people need to use smart phones to navigate a complex media landscape ask the skills they have and the skills they are getting in schools. there's a the lot of energy and interest, but we don't know all that much about what an

effective media curriculum looks like. that's a real priority area for educators, researchers to figure out. if wement people to be prepared to navigate this space, what do we need to do? what training? but also r for adults. which are harder to capture because they are out of school. >> you a pessimist or optimist about the future of media and tech? >> i'm probably on the pessimist side right now. there aren't where many signs that things are going to get better before they get even worse. and particularly with things being frag metized, people stuck in their bubbling, getting r more and more tuck in their bubbles and seeing the dishonest individual who is will capitalize for profit it doesn't leave much hope to see anything brt in the next few years. maybe in 10 or 20 years, but right now with new technology, and the companies who are

facebook and google, all these companies don't seem to yet understand how to grapple with their power. >> us they say they do. they say they are trying to take a step in the right direction. >> at the end of the day if you look at the results, they are very slow to move things. they still allow facebook this year to partner with breitbart. they are still making odd decisions like that. so it doesn't leave much room for hope. at least from my perspective. >> that's in the news business. on the entertainment side, we're seem seething the streaming wars. i think they are the streaming olympics. my cloeg used that. because there's not a seetzero game. there's multiple winners in the streaming wars. but netflix is the king. do you think ten years from now it's all streaming. will cable news still exist in ten years? >> i think we should approach the 20s as anner ene era of tra.

the average american would pay for all of their different streaming services. and the amount that we center issed on was $38. if you stop and think about it for a moment, the streaming services aren't just competing against each other, but there are games in the mix. there's electric and digital exercise programs. there are connected mirrors that you can buy and exercise with in your home. so there's a lot happening. that ecosystem and at some point, all of these organizations and companies need to empathize with the consumer and think through the imaccomplice my indications of asking them to pay for so many things. what's the value proposition? >> that's going to be a giant question. but also in the years ahead. to the panel, thank you for being here. great to see you all. it's cnn's 40th birthday in 2020. i think we'll still be around in 2030. that's a a wrap. make sure to visit reliablesources.com for our brnd

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