watching. buttigieg and biden both closed really strong. if they brought that energy at the beginning of the debate all the way through we'd have a very different conversation. only one person kept up the optimistic, positive, excited to be here energy, frankly through the whole campaign, that was warren. >> it is essentially he said -- she said. >> it started with reporters citing other sources. >> from what i understand, four sources, two of them had been spoken to about it by warren. only the two in the room know. >> that's true, entirely. >> governor? >> i'm surprised. i thought it would be a much more aggressive debate tonight. this is the last shot you've got until the iowa caucus in three weeks. the four front runners, nobody went after each other. i was really surprised at that. joe biden has been leading the race since he got into it, nobody touched him tonight, choking to me this is your last shot to make an impression. i thought pete was strong

tonight. i was very impressed with steyer. there was something for everybody here tonight. what you walk away does this change the dynamic of the caucus in three weeks? >> no, not at all. >> if i'm joe biden and bernie sanders, good night tonight. warren should have come back on the issue did he say it or didn't say it, this is an opportunity for her to hit it hard and she missed that opportunity. >> check in with chris cuomo, standing by, chris? >> all right, of course we're listening to you all here, anderson, it's so interesting to get all of these different perspectives on what happened. i think the consensus, though, is that this was not the type of night of ambition we expected. then the big question becomes, well, why? you have two possibilities. one is the scared never wins, hold your fire, everybody up there is popular and you don't

want to hurt yourself this close before the caucuses. okay. but the second perspective is you have to go for it at a certain point to distinguish yourself from your competitors and remember what every democrat is looking for and why you see this bottleneck at the top and people moving back and forth, three, four people within the margin of error, who is the right one to beat trump? that speaks to a big ambition. to a boldness. someone who can take on, arguably, the most fierce campaigner we've seen in a generation. the question becomes why did they play it this way tonight? i have dana bash and david chalian, can't get better minds than this. first of all, am i totally off? >> loaded question. >> i know. the idea that this was a chance, this was your last fling before the caucus, wu saw no one swing big. >> absolutely. i do think you were dead on about the stakes being so high

but i actually -- was it fiery? could you feel the crackling in here? no. but if you are a caucus goer thinking who do i like, i'm a little torn, i just want to hear what they believe on the issues i care about, you've got that tonight, particularly on an issue that we have heard almost nothing about until tonight and that is foreign policy, given the fact that things are so different now with what happened in iran than they were just a couple of weeks ago. >> and that's the beauty of having you here, david, is that you can help us weave in the what people want to hear at this stage, what they heard tonight, what did you see? >> i agree. i don't think anything really changed tonight in this race and i agree that caution was the most active participant on the stage and i think there's a reason why. it is those rules that are particular here in iowa, where that second choice can really matter and so it's a calculation, if you go after

somebody you may be rolling out their supporters. >> what's the difference between the straight vote gnat caucus? >> you gather for a meeting in your community at a local school or library and you have to get 15% of the participants in that caucus to earn delegates. if you do not get 15% in that precinct, and there are over, you know, a thousand precincts in the state, more than that, you -- your supporters then have the opportunity in a second round of alignment and preference to go to someone else. it's a very careful consideration about sort of going after an opponent whose supporters you very well may need to woo if they fall short. that has something to do with it, the specificity of iowa. but also there is a concern that, as you noted, the party is looking for a trump defeater at all costs. and so they're not all that eager in seeing these folks try to take each other's face off.

>> although i think only senator klobuchar spoke very directly to the task of the president and what he presents. sure, everybody touches on it tangentially with some now kind of canned lines they have, stock and trade lines, but the moment of the night had nothing to do with that, elizabeth warren anticipating how to deal with sanders and their wires crossed. she took the moment, how and what did it mean for her? >> it was -- look, it was an out of the park moment. she clearly had it planned, probably almost to the word. and she delivered it. she executed it. and the it is what they clearly inside the warren campaign had in mind for the past probably 24 or 48 hours, which is the fact that she is the most viable woman in that list of the top four, particularly here in iowa. she's the most viable, the only

woman in the top four. and so she is trying to use that moment and explain why, not just a woman, but her as the woman in that position should be really seriously considered and it was a clever way of doing it because she also brought in the other woman on the stage, almost -- a sister in solidarity. >> klobuchar thanked her. >> saying people in the last 30 years have beaten an incumbent republican. >> she said none of these guys -- >> he didn't let it go. >> right after it was her way of saying i'm moving past bernie onto the main proposition here, politically whether people think it was a setup from the warren up organically, kind of weird, it happened a while ago. but she does it a

bernie gets in there and says i did beat an incumbent republican in 1990. and warren says, yeah, that was 30 years ago. and he goes right. so then i'm right. and it was kind of weird, david. he did not need to say that. >> it was weird. i didn't catch it. we made some video of it. but i see twitter commentary, that they exchanged words at the end of the debate, sanders and warren. >> nice words or not nice? >> we'll take a closer look at the video put it looked like they had some exchange once the debate was over. interesting to learn what that is. i'm curious to see if they're ready to move on. they clearly didn't want to battle tonight. >> no handshake. >> look, that is an interesting thing because, again, anderson, they're in the same lane. so what was the nature of that discussion? does it good natured and let's move forward, or is it what dana tends to see, if you get in my

key light, i'll throw you over the railing, if that was that kind of discussion at the end of the debate. it's a very different meaning. >> i think i also may have told you that a couple times. chris, we'll come back to you shortly. back with the folks here. david, interesting to see that exchange at the end. >> well, you know, one thing that was left unresolved in their exchange was this what actually happened and i actually thought -- i thought in the debate she handled it well because there was nothing to be gained by saying no, you're lying, you did say it and she turned it to her advantage. i thought that was fine. but clearly -- >> let's play that video. >> very, very hard feelings about the whole thing.

>> this is not warm and cuddly. >> poor tom steyer. >> look, it seems to me that first of all they didn't shake hands. she clearly had a point she wanted to make. she had a point she wanted to make tonight, which was about gender and people in iowa, all around the state, and of course all around the country are saying can a woman beat donald trump? but it seems to me that they didn't resolve what was said at their meeting. and she wasn't happy about it. >> yeah. >> and you can see that and clearly she wanted to do it during the debate but after the debate. >> she should have done it during the debate. you are running for president of the united states of america. this is the last shot you have. you take every opportunity to fire everything you have. people are paying attention. they're not following this day-to-day. many -- >> she says they tuned into this debate this might have been the first time they heard about it and i also disagree that, well,

people didn't go after each other because, oh, they wanted the people to move over for second place. come on. people have to win this caucus because if you don't win then you may not be going on. >> are they afraid of joe biden? what is it? they didn't attack joe biden. >> i think the top four were only a point apart, biden didn't want to get into it, bernie was fine with it. amy klobuchar, she did, tom steyer is not going to do it. i think the top four felt they were very close and we don't need to get into it and come out with a draw on the top four, see how our field operation works. >> warren has been careful in the way she's emphasized gender, she tends to couch it in terms of other women in american history who have broken through against challenges rather than talking about herself. in this case, i don't think that the appeal to women is bernie sanders said a bad thing. i think the appeal to women is, women win elections, despite

this widespread idea we somehow can't win elections. >> don't forget sanders was criticized how we treated hillary clinton. >> that was the whole point. elizabeth warren hurled a grenade into bernie sanders when that story leaked and she confirmed it. it stirred the embers of what happened four years ago, still bitter feelings about whether he was adequately supportive of hillary clinton and all the damage he had done to her leading into the election. and this brought all that back and let's not kid ourselves. you're talking about how people should play hardball, that was a hardball move. >> and also women get punished if they play hardball all the way. >> really? >> so i think that what she did was extraordinary. but what i love about elizabeth warren in those moments, she never stopped being the educator in chief. she didn't just say, listen, i'm a woman, i can do it, she made the case that women have been

winning in the trump era. she used the moment well. but that was progressive to see those two have that level of vitriol was very disspiriting. tonight for me was disspiriting. democrats have to do better. nothing i saw tonight that would be able to take donald trump out. if you're looking at this thing, did any of these people, prepared for what donald trump is going to do for us? >> i want to go chris cuomo, standing by with pete buttigieg. >> a lot of intrigue. we're with one of the participants up there, mayor pete buttigieg. good to see you, happy new year. what did you think of the stage tonight? >> it was an opportunity to get our message out with three weeks to go. my focus was not relitigating debates from the past, but talking about the future, how do we turn the page in order to win

and beat donald trump and in order to govern? those two go hand in hand. what lights up rooms when i'm talking to voters across iowa and everywhere we go and asking them to envision that first day after we send donald trump into history and actually have to bring this country together to get big things done. this is a chance to talk about that for a lot of issues, i wish we could have gotten to that hopefully we'll touch in other debates but i really valued the opportunity to get out there and share thfuture oriented vision. >> i expected more points of comparison, 20 days until go time at the caucus. what was the calculation in terms of now's my movement, i have to make a move on her or him or both of them now? >> my focus was to make sure that my message was coming through. ours is a winning message. it's clearly res natding with voters, improbable campaign over the course of the last year

would never have been able to get here. this was an opportunity, especially in contrast that anybody who felt pressure to refight old battles from washington to talk about where we're headed going forward. >> two quick points. iran is a new variable. we did not see this coming in. you have a perceived strength and weakness. the strength is, you're the only veteran up there, you worked in intelligence, you understand the region. how do you sell people on the idea that your strength outweighs your weakness, which is you're young, you haven't been in the position of whether or not to pull that type of mission that we just saw with soleimani. how do you sell that? >> when it comes to national security the next president is going to face completely new challenges from the kinds of proxy wars, to cybersecurity threats and climate security

threats, yes, i bring a perspective from having served in uniform and that will never leave me in the situation room and i also bring a focus on what lies ahead. i'm ready to engage our partners. we need to form new connections with leaders in order to move past this moment that donald trump has brought us to, restore american credibility and keep this country safe. >> a theory about why you see so much changing at the top now, you've entered in, which is very ambitious for you and your campaign, wasn't expected obviously, but the reason you see the movement is that no one is sold on which one of you beats trump. and i know that starts to sound like a tired question, but obviously nobody's answered it to the satisfaction of the party. what is the answer to that question and why do you think it hasn't been a satisfactory answer thus far? >> part of what i had the opportunity to discuss tonight, the economy.

i actually belong to the middle class and from the communities he talks about and then lets down again and again. >> when he says something to you that rhymes with pete, i don't know what he'll come up with, that is a relevant thing. i get i'm not going to be like him, the only guy i've ever seen that makes bernie sanders laugh. when bernie hears what the president has said about him, there's a charisma that gets conveyed when it's crass and crude and ugly and something that has to be combatted so that you are more persuasive than he to this same group of people. >> the key is to realize that we can't meet him on equal and opposite terms. i think his power -- not sure i'd call it charisma, but the power he has to change the subject by doing something outrageous or disgusting. we have to be ready to confront is behavior and correct his lies

but always come back to the question that every election is about, the voter's question, how is my life going to be different if it's you, president, instead of you. we have the better answers on those questions, making sure people get paid more, long-term care, making sure we get paid family leave to keeping this country safe. we have to make sure the president doesn't deny us the opportunity to speak to that. >> you told chris that you were happy to be able to talk about things on foreign policy, in particular that weren't fighting the battles of the past but considering the fact that you and joe biden are likely going after similar kinds of voters here in iowa, do you think it's okay how he voted on the iraq war, and more importantly how he explained it tonight? >> i disagreed with the iraq war and i think that that vote was a mistake. i've been clear on that. >> does it disqualify him?

>> it's an example of a difference between experience and judgment. voters have to decide. if you're looking for the candidate with the most years in washington, the most time spent on capitol hill, you've got a clear choice and i'm not going to be your candidate. i also think we are where we are partly because of a sense of frustration with the inability of washington to solve our problems and that's where i'm offering a different perspective, whether that's national security, partly because i was sent to war by one of those decisions made in the white house, or the perspective of the kind of community i belong to. >> ask you one question on the woman issue that came up with elizabeth warren. because i remember after the last debate you were kind of the guy who understood that the two women said when they were asked about would you give a gift or what did you do wrong, what do you apologize for, the women said they'd apologize. you have a good sensibility of that. given that, what was your take on what happened with elizabeth warren and how she kind of tried

to take the conversation that she says she had with bernie sanders and take it to another level? >> i think the right point to make, and many candidates made it tonight, is that a woman should be president of the united states right now and got far more votes than donald trump. of course a woman can win the president and i of course it's also true that sexism has been a force in our politics that needs to be fought. >> mayor buttigieg, you may disagree with me, but it seems to me you need iowa perhaps more than anyone else and i'm wondering, just because of what you're saying, the proof point that chris is asking about, about telling democratic voters, showing them i can win and be the trump defeater, one way to do that is to actually win in iowa because you are lesser known, that truth may not be for biden or sanders. do you feel you have to come in first place to catapult your candidacy forward.

>> we have to do well in iowa. the best way to demonstrate you can win is to do well, to win. and what we see here in iowa is the opportunity to do that. look, this election is just different from every other election so of course each of us will point to our records for evidence that we can win but we've also got to look forward and think about the unique, i mean, historically unique, first ever, kind of president that we're dealing with now. think about what it's going to take to compete with him and we need to demonstrate and iowa is our first chance to do it, that we can pull together enough voters to come along with us who share that vision of a better day, turning the page and not getting stuck into that endless loop that has so many people, watching this exhausting process in washington, switching it all off, taking it into our own hands and the iowa caucuses are the first moment on the calendar when we get to do that. >> does doing well mean coming in first?

>> we need to do very well and that's what we're working toward doing. >> if coming in first isn't doing very well i don't know what is, maybe second depending who's around you, you want to do well, but you don't want to set up a bar that you don't make. that's reflective of what we saw tonight. everybody knows they have to make a move but it's close enough where there's such an interesting calculus going on of i don't want to offend, her people or his people upset at me, because they may wind up being my people. interesting contrast from our president. our president has never done that, never chosen nice as a way to win. mr. mayor, that's why it's interesting to watch you and talk to you about what's going through your mind as you're making the positions you are. thank you for joining us tonight. happy new year to you and your husband. good luck going forward. a lot more to talk about. anderson is going to have senator amy klobuchar next and we'll go through all the players and all the implications. stay with cnn.

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we are back, just after cnn's democratic debate, the last one before the iowa caucuses begin 20 days from now. we're joined by senator amy klobuchar, how did you feel about how you did, and how the whole debate went? >> it was good. i got to talk about issues we haven't talked about, haven't had much discussion about things like soybeans and trade and i thought that was really good. i also had that chance to explain why i think there's a problem with the free college for wealthy kids, which is what bernie and elizabeth are putting forward i don't think is a good idea we're much better off to help people with the dignity of work so they get the benefits they need and look bigger at our whole economy and i would like to make the electability argument more. >> this is the last debate

before iowa goes to caucus. did you feel the pressure of that? did you feel that -- did you go into this wanting to engage more? a lot of people were expecting more -- >> yes, i wanted to engage more, absolutely. one of the things i didn't get to talk about was the fact that while a lot of people have talking points how they can win, i have the receipt. i have done it time and time again with highest voter turnout in the country when i lead the ticket, including in the cities, plus winning the counties that are just like these 31 counties in iowa that barack obama won and then donald trump turned out to win. i think we need a candidate that actually can bring in independents, moderate republicans as well as the fired up democratic base. i didn't get the chance to debate that with mayor pete or anyone else but i think it's not just talking points. you should be able to show your receipts. >> the question between senator

warren and senator sanders about what occurred in the room. >> they didn't invite me. >> you weren't in the room but did you -- did you want to challenge -- did you think about challenging senator sanders at all? i think you were -- >> i don't know what happened in that room. and they are disputing it and i'm not going to get involved in that fight but i'm got my own to wage. but i have made this point before, is that a woman can win the white house. a woman can beat donald trump. and i think that's the fundamental issue that i was -- that we should talk about and the fact that i have won overwhelmingly with men in my own state. will these guys that voted for donald trump vote for a woman? i've got the receipts, i've done it. they want to know, well, is a woman tough enough to take on donald trump on the debate stage? they always have that image in their heads. they've told me of that moment in the debate with hillary clinton, and by the way in my mind she won every one of those debates, but when he was hulking

over her. they think about that all the time. so i think it is the fact that we have two women on the stage, both of us showing that we can debate, that we're strong, that we're not going to take any grief from these guys. i think that's really important. and if anything we accomplished that. >> senator warren has backed away from her i'm with bernie on medicare for all. >> yes, well i pointed that out, yes. >> yes. >> she has, she's on the bill and as i pointed out it kicks 1 149 million people off their current insurance. she's on the bill but now she says she doesn't want to do it in four years, wants to wait longer than that and i would have loved to have gone back and forth. we didn't have that opportunity. maybe we will at the next debate. >> do you think it's hurt democrats at all to be focused so much during this campaign so far on this medicare for all issue, rather than talking about donald trump and preexisting conditions.

>> i agree, yes. >> why didn't anybody talk about that tonight? >> no, no, no, i actually said this isn't real. you have to point it out. they won't stop asking about it. it's not real when two-thirds of the democrats in the senate are not on his bill. it's not real when you have a bunch of those new congressional members that put nancy pelosi and the speaker not for medicare for all. what we should be talking about is the damage donald trump is doing to our country's health care, yes, and that was pointed out by a number of people but also people, what they're really interested in, mental health care, addiction, long-term care that i brought up at length, i'm telling you they want to build on the affordable care act, don't want to tear it down. >> in the last bit you went after pete buttigieg, a pretty effective attack. you have not gone after biden. you and biden are occupying the same space with centrist voters. >> i have made it clear that he and i are not the same, he and i

differed on the iraq war, i was against it and also i'm from the midwest, the vice president is not from the midwest. that's where we need to win in states like wisconsin, ohio, and minnesota that was close last time. i'm a new generation, not as young as mayor pete, 59 is the new 37, something i wanted to say on the debate stage but i'm a new generation of leaders and i think that that's important as well because people are tired of this guy in the white house and they want something new, a fresh face, a new leader. >> some would argue he is the guy running strongest in these midwestern states. but getting back to your point before -- >> in the one state where they know me, and i will acknowledge they don't know like they know joe biden, when they do know me i beat donald trump more in my own state. >> for the senate. >> no, i beat him in a poll a

month ago, more than joe biden, and i do better with men against donald trump. >> that maybe goes to my question. but do you not believe -- first of all, is it different when someone who's running for president and running for the senate and do you not believe that there is a problem with gender bias in this country? >> i think that it has changed over time. you've had women governors in texas, like ann richards. women governors in michigan, as i pointed out and governor kelly in kansas. you've had women -- mayors, police chiefs and i think it's changed. there is something about the presidency, i keep pointing out the height issue. i don't know what it is. but there's something about it where people have to step back and realize that around the world women have legs and women can do this and, in fact, if you want to think about donald trump who beats him every day, nancy pelosi? i just think that a woman is actually the best candidate to

run. >> hillary clinton lost to donald trump among noncollege educated white women by 27 points in 2016. why do you think that is? >> i think a lot of it had to do with campaign that at the end he literally, and i don't hold her responsible for this at all, he literally dominated everything. he distracted people with his tweeted, went after people and everyone kept going down the rabbit hole with him. i want to stay on an optimistic agenda for this country and we've learned that and i also think you have to ignore him at times, can't be distracted by him and you have to use humor, you have to make fun of him because he makes fun of everyone around him. >> you've got 20 days left. you've got jury duty now. >> yeah, jury duty, that's the next thing. >> >> and you're going to be in washington quite a bit over the next 20 days. you're obviously not in the top tier yet.

do you think -- >> i'm strongly number five, as everyone has left the race, not in there.

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i can worry about it, or doe. something about it. garlique helps maintain healthy cholesterol naturally, and it's odor-free, and pharmacist recommended. garlique the democratic candidates for president of the united states had their last moment together on the stage. 20 days out from the first voting. the official start of the 2020 election with the iowa caucus. david, the quantifiable thing here is when you do the polling next, did anything change because what was said in contrast on the stage tonight? >> i think we'll see polling change. i don't think it will be necessarily because of the debate. in our last poll before this debate, 60% of the democratic

caucus electorate said they could change their mind or haven't decided. ha is the largest share of movable voters at this stage in many cycles. the fluidity is there. i would imagine we'll see it change. i just don't think anything that occurred tonight is going to move the needle. it raised the bar to be a bit more aggressive in the final few weeks to really make a closing sales pitch to voters. i don't think they seized the opportunity to do that tonight. >> tip of the hat to david axelrod. with impeachment. calling it jury duty. how big a deal is jury duty for klobuchar, sanders and warren. which will obviously leave buttigieg and mr. steyer. yang and who else wasn't on the stage and joe biden. is it a bigger opportunity for them because the others will be sequestered? or is it more chance to screw

up. or both. >> it could be both. no matter how you spin it, i heard senator klobuchar say my husband will be on the trail. my daughter. i have all the people who endorsed me. maybe. maybe that's true. it's not the same as having the candidate. especially someone like her. who you talk about the mayor about how important iowa is to him. it's really important to her to stay in the race. she's the senator next door. she is somebody who has made up some ground here from being really low in the poll. >> i'm a solid fifth. >> by being here and really making personal connections the old fashion way. for senator sanders and senator warren, it might be a bit different because they have such huge campaigns. they are such national figures. it might not hurt them as much.

on the flip side it could help buttigieg. who is going to be here. never mind the former vice president. >> one of the interesting things that we're seeing happen in in democratic primary. this kind of tension not so much among the candidates or not enough. in terp terms of distinguishing themselves. what do you want out of this process? earlier it was the purity test. healthcare and a president who said gifl you the plan after the plex. who is saying he's saved preexisting conditions. he seeps to get it. >> which is not true. >> they're suing right now to get rid of the aca and preexisting conditions. and the gop asked that court not to try the case until after the vote. it's so obvious what they want to do. they know they have to conceal the true intention. truth aside, people think it's

too crass to say this is about beating trump. but it is. having grown up in politics and seeing so much campaigns. a lot unsuccessful. that's the question. at the end of the day for the policy and the message, the metric has to be this will win. has to be. tonight joe biden's best moment according to to hearing the people that i respect here, was his closing. here's some of it. >> character is on the ballot. this time around. the american character is on the ballot. not what donald trump is spewing out. the hate. the racism. that's not who we are as a nation. everyone in the country is entitled to be treated with respect and dignity. every solitary person has to have in a position that we treat them with decency. it's about fundamental basic decency.

we in the united states of america can put up with over come four years of donald trump. eight years of trump will be an absolute disaster and change the nation. we have to restore america's soul. it is in jeopardy under this president of the united states. we lead the world when we lead by example. not by our power. we have to regain the respect of the world in order to be able to change things. ladies and gentlemen, we are in a position we have to remember who we are. this is the united states of america. there's not a single they think beyond our capacity to do if we do it together. let's go do it. >> now. why play bidens. he's the front runner most of the time. not in iowa. but overwhelmingly. they say this is his best moment. does that win? >> potentially because this is why joe biden has been steadily

at the top. nationally it's gone there are other people have gone in and out. he's been there. top democrat said to me that joe biden has the chicken soup appeal. he has what's going to make everybody feel sick feel better. that was the chicken soup speech. and that is really what he is banking on. if he can do that and people listen to that and take that in, that's what he's going for. electability and beating trump and feeling better about the country is what democrats want. that's it. >> one of the big surprises about the biden is the resiliency. this is why. you understand this better than most. the most successful candidates are the ones that are closing their campaign with the same message they opened it with.

consistently. a closing statement that eight months ago he launched with. it has been consistent through. which is why he's proven to be resilient. in this campaign. because had gets to the key core fundamental desire among democrats. having assurance the person they choose has the best shot at defeating trump. >> that's the only one that matters. which man or woman gives this party the best chance of getting out this president who they describe as a threat. >> 20 days before the caucus. we'll come back to you shortly. i'm joined by tom steyer. consistency. you have been consistent in your message throughout the entire time you have been running. first of all, how did you feel tonight went for you and for the democrats? >> i thought it was a good debate. i thought i got a chance to actually answer the question that chris cuomo just posed. which is who can beat donald

trump. i think you all know mr. trump is running on the economy, he has nothing else. and he said last week i'm sure everybody here knows that he said the american israel conference, amazingly, you don't like me, and i don't like you. you're all going fo vote for me because you know if the democrats get control they'll destroy the economy in 15 minutes. whoever is going to be the democratic nominee and going to beat trump is going to have to go after him on the economy. he's fake. he was a fake business person, he was a business person on a reality tv show. >> that argument aren't you making an argument for mayor bloomberg? >> i'm very different from mike bloomberg. i really am. i'm a progressive. i have said if mike wants to represent the democratic party, he's got to embrace a wealth tax. there's something really unequal that is happened in this country that is unacceptable.

if you want to lead the democrat party the party of the people. you have to address that inequality. particularly if you're really rich. so my point is i built a business from scratch. mr. trump beat 16 conventional republican candidates in the primary. easily. and then beat the best prepared democrat in history who had been first lady. u.s. senator. and secretary of state. >> he has been tweeting about you tonight. he said that you can run out of money. steyer is running loan cash. he made his money on coal. so funny. i don't know if it's a genius or the president is zero in on perceived weaknesses of candidates. i don't think weakness is your money. you're okay with that. you did make money in fossil fuel. and that is the base of the

money you made. >> that's not true. we invested in every part of the economy. including fossil fuel. >> you made money in fossil fuel. >> and i divested from those a decade ago. i took the giving pledge. >> essentially what he's saying, you made money in fossil fuel. and cashed out. and you're -- >> look. everybody in the united states has to move away from a fossil fuel based economy. that's what we're talking about. i did it a decade ago. i'm asking everybody -- >> you moved away after making a butt load of money. it's hypocritical. >> i divested. i took the giving pledge. every single person in the country grew up in a fossil fuel economy. including me. >> not everybody invested in it and promoted it. and reap the benefits of it.

>> every person did and every person needs to move away. i have spent a decade fighting climate. it's amazing trump would go after me. this is the fourth time. he doesn't know me. i actually view that as -- >> i don't take it seriously. if he's paying attention he's scared. he should be scared. >> i want to show the video at the end of the debate. you were in the middle of this. by chance or what. what was that like? what occurred there. >> it's already being talked about a lot. >> i was just going up to say good night. senators. i felt like okay, there's something going on. good night. i'm out of here. >> what they were arguing about? >> i really wasn't listening. >> what? how can you not hear bernie

sanders? >> getting together or something. i didn't listen. >> last year? >> they looked like they were getting together. >> i really. it was one of the awkward moments. i need to move on. >> i felt that for you. >> you could see it's awkward moment. so my goal was to say good night to two people who i respect. the last thing is get in between the two and listen in. that was not the goal, i didn't do it. >> a lot can happen in 20 days. here in iowa you have made great progress according to some polls in nevada and south carolina. not so much here in iowa. where you're in the single digits. is there any point at which you will get out of the race if you're not successful in suck siding races or are you in this to the end?

>> i think i can win this. i think -- >> in iowa? >> i can win this race. my goal is simply to get in front of as many people and tell them i'm different from everybody else. i have a different message. i can take on mr. trump and beat him on the economy. he's a fake. these polls you know from history they can really move. 60% of early primary voters don't know who they're voting for. it will move away. >> you're expecting to do well in iowa? >> i expect the polls to move a lot. if you look at today or yesterday. it moved a lot. in my favor. >> i'm curious, why do you think you're doing well in south carolina? you're in double digits and rising. what do you think you have as a business guy or whatever it is doing so well in south carolina? >> i'm giving the exact same message where ever i go.

in south carolina we have a will the of people on the ground. i'm a grass roots person. we have the most people on the ground in south carolina. my message of broken government bought by corporations that i have been fighting for ten years. climate is my number one priority. and i have the economic experience and expertise to beat trump and talk about growth. the same message everywhere i go. it resonates everywhere. >> i thought you had a great debate. congratulations. you have been out on climate change for a long time. full disclosure. you were helpful to me when i ran for governor. in virginia. people say he came in late and wants to buy this thing. how do you answer the question about a billionaire coming in late in the race like bloomberg, what do yo say to the democratic activists. he's coming in trying to buy the

race? >> i think this comes down to message. i think everybody is sitting here listening to see who is going to tell the truth about what's going on. who is credible. who can win. and who is trustworthy. to me it's a question of the anyone who can do that, that is the hurdle to jump over. i'm not a famous person. i don't have a famous name. i think when people hear what i have to say and who i am, they can see i really am different from every single other person on the stage. >> you are infamous. you ran ads on impeachment in fairness. trump knows who you are. tv every night whacking him. >> listen, i wasn't whacking him. i was getting 8 and a half million americans to whack him. >> can i ask you about the core message. you're saying i'll take on trump on the economy. every poll you look at it's the

one area where trump actually does well overwhelmly. it's the one area in which polls show he has a lot of credibility. not on foreign policy. so people say the economy is going great. we're doing well. you're saying to them no it's not? >> actually if you -- the old saying lies and statistics. >> if they feel good -- >> that's not true. i look at this economy. statistics. gdp growth. is it a successful economy if the grows but the increase income goes to a slim sliver of the richest americans? that snts success. employment. we have very low employment. is it a success if you have a job but you can't afford to live on the job? which is actually what's going on sno. >> why are people saying they

feel okay? >> the last is this. is it a success we have a booming stock market because he cut taxes -- i saw the numbers. big corporations pay 11%. that's a ridiculous number. low number. the top ten percent of americans own 85% of stocks. it does help 10% of americans a lot. really there's been 90% of americans left behind for 40 years. it's time for us. i go around america and door to door. i have been doing this full-time for seven years. this is not complicated. this is cruel till for money. >> he's fraud. >> what is the path way for you, you expect to win. how do you see a win coming? >> it's going to have to be -- i keep telling people this is not a national election. david knows this. it's a series of state

elections. how you do in every state impacts the next state. there's a huge factor about momentum. a lot will change. the one thing i'm sure is a lot will change between now and february. and -- now kp march. >> i know the process. generally if you get in the single digits and no delegates in iowa and new hampshire. you spin off the track. you're different because you are a billionaire. you can see fund. how long are you willing to do that? >> i'm going stay in this as long as i think i can win. i really think i can. there's something wrong here. i'm not in this race because it's a career move. i'm in this because there's something terribly wrong in the united states. we need to take back the government. i'm talking about term limits. take back the government and

rest the climate crisis. we'll get the policies that people are talking about. we have to do them and people aren't talking about how to do that. >> if you don't win, how do you imagine you'll play in the general election? are you going to spend money to elect senate democrats? run ads against trump? >> i have started one of the largest grass roots organizations in the united states. next general america. it did the largest youth voter mobilization in american history. it's out there now working. i'm not running it because that would be illegal while i'm running for president. i have committed to that kind of grass roots support. which i have done for years. including going door to door with seven national union partners. knocking on 25 million doors. i'm saying this isn't a career move. i think we're in a crisis. i'm doing everything i can to do

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want to talk about it. i'd never tell you. >> i wouldn't either. >> it was a private conversation. >> it's on the stage. >> private conversation. go backstage. >> i would not have lied. if i heard what they said. >> a reporter wants to know. in terms of what the moment meant. i thought the genius was senator warren saying i know what you want me to talk about. i'll turn it into way bigger point. that speaks to the truth of the proposition. about women in politics. and distinguished her and klobuchar. >> best moment of the night. clearly. >> it was. i think that it gave for women watching it was this big moment of feeling of pride. that that's right, these two women are winners. and the other guys have been losers. so it made us feel as women feel

like yeah, that was great. brilliant move. i knew there would be a question about it. i was surprised she went as far as she did. and on twitter the bernie folks are just like really, really not happy. >> if you think about it she was so smart with how to happenedle it. she didn't woman back agrigresse and say you're a liar. she was gracious. but the talking point that i think you'll see all day tomorrow. >> let's talk about it. also let's speak to it. here's the moment that we're talking about. >> anybody knows me. knows it's incomprehensible that i think a woman cannot be president of the united states. if any of the women on this stage or the men on this stage win the nomination, i hope that's not the case, i hope it's me. i will do everything in my power to make sure that they are elected in order to defeat the most dangerous president in the history of the country.

look at the men on the stage. collectively they have lost ten elections. the only people on the stage who have won every single election they have been in are the women. amy and me. >> all right. small problem, big problem. small problem somebody is not telling the truth. because either warren misheard or misremembers what's the chance of that. or senator sanders said something in different context and doesn't want to own. >> the senator is right. to the governors point. they don't have any huge winner up on the stage. and the guy who has been at the head of the poll the longest has run for the president unsuccessfully multiple times. the main metric.

we have someone to beat the president. >> they have to figure out what was truth and what wasn't. >> or leave it a alone. >> the exchange at the end will cause us to wonder what is still lingering. the good thing is she leapfrogged the small part. and said i know this is an ether. people say and make the argument it'sth big e argument against her. whether or not this country will elect a woman president. and she went straight to the point. use the facts as is often her rift to rely on the facts and history to make a case. it was persuasive. this evening if you were a viewer and iowa or undecided, you probably are going to resort back to the question of who is best position and aligned to beat trump. electability. the problem with the question for a woman is electability relies on what happened before.

always before we have elected a white male with one exception. that means it closes down the opportunity for klobuchar and warren. >> popular win for clinton doesn't matter? >> it didn't result in an electoral win. he's not president of the united states. >> the bigger point of electability. do you check enough boxes to be president? you can say at least three of the five up there do. most people will be looking for. it's can you beat this specific opponent? where do you think the democrats are in terms of having found their warrior to go against maybe the most fierce sm campaigner in a generation? >> first of all a question of who won the debate. and does that make a difference. did anything tonight move the numbers? >> who won? >> elizabeth warren won the night. she was calm and in command. she did better than anybody else. at the same time nobody put a hand on biden. he was ahead when he went in.

did it change the numbers? i don't know it did. the issue continues to be because the clear average in all the polls is biden seems to be the one on the stage that seems like no matter how well or poor the debate performance is. numbers continue to do well. much to the surprise of people three months ago thought he was going to be gone. warren kind of lifted her game toont and will get the biggest bump. >> if you think about this, you want a president who is going to -- you want a candidate to make you feel. you need to walk away from the debate going i feel like i like this person. he understands or she understands me. there were three moments tonight i thought that really went there. one was the elizabeth warren for women. and allied men. it was strong. joe biden when he talked about child care. and talked about being a single

parent after his wife and daughter were lost. that caused people to feel something. and klobuchar had a good moment talking about the story where the worker in the trade discussion showed the uniforms and she listed the names of the people who lost jobs. those moments are moments that is iowaens and everybody can walk away remembering. joe biden despite the fact maybe he didn't soar to the top. he had a lot of those little moments like that. that make people realize he gets me. he is solid. and he has experienced more pain in his life than almost anybody on stage for sure and certainly donald trump. that empathy will be a winner. >> doesn't it frustrate you when they talk about healthcare they get into the weeds and don't personalize it.

they forget to make the case trump is trying to take away healthcare and don't use personal stories. everybody has a story. they missed that opportunity. >> preexisting conditions alone. the president has the opposite strategy of the people in the party. in all due respect. what do i need to do to win or say. how many times and to whom. healthcare he said i'm the who you know kept preexisting conditions. that's a big fat lie. >> completely. >> they're suing in federal court. the gop asked the court to not hear the case until after the election. to conceal the true intentions. you do not hear democrats saying that. when one of them gives a so the question is an intelligence question, what's your price tag. here's why it's worth it over time. i think that you should have heard someone say it's a great

answer. doesn't baeeat the put. you're not getting that plan done. we don't know. anybody who asks the question hasn't been in the process. this is what beats the president. he's a liar. they're not fighting the fight. >> they have to win the race they're in first. amongst the democrats we do a lot of us want to know the answers to the questions. you're getting to, a lot of us are thinking about it. what does it look like to have a democratic candidate on the stage as trump. and the truth is it is asymmetrical warfare. he will not play by any rules. you don't answer that by in the playing by rules. you have to the american people are sick of the chaos. and we have to have someone who will offer an answer.

that gives us more calm. less stress. from the moments that we get every time we hear the president. >> you talk to different constituents. i bet you all the question you get asked most is governor, do you think they can beat trump? >> sure. absolutely. >> 100%. >> you have to win the race you're in first. that is the race. >> when they're on the stage, which will pop off and flip off and the next one -- >> the winner of the debate tonight. here's how to beat trump. >> they're doing this on the campaign trail. calling him out. >> this is the biggest stage. >> maybe six of them mised an opportunity. they are doing it in iowa. his two tweets yesterday about i'm protecting preexisting conditions. they were tweeting about that. they should have said it on the

stage. if buts were candy we would have a merry christmas. >> the debate didn't meet the moment. this didn't feel like we only got 20 days left for the first election in this. which may windhittle it down. i feel like warren performed well. like most out there we're waiting for who is going to be the one to show up on the stage and say that's the person that can take him. >> analysis doesn't do anybody a favor by miss lg the true expectation. we were together the night the poll came out. everybody beats trump. and the state by state came out. he was dead even or up in the big states. you said i told you.

this was going to be a race. >> i give the president a 5050 chance. today. of getting reelected. incumbent and the economy is good. >> russians were in for him. >> having said that, there's a reason why the numbers are at 42. the american public has his number. >> they can't stand him. >> if we show up we'll beat him. >> you are much smarter than i am. i appreciate it. we'll take a quick break. everything that happens tonight fits in to this puzzle about whaps in the next 20 days and why. we'll help you figure it out. alm i would i'd do it all ♪ ♪ because i love you, ♪ i love you unconditional,

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we are back here in des moines, iowa. talking about the debate that was. was it different -- it was much different. >> i have to say i came away feeling worried for the democratic party. i felt like tonight was the night they were going to all put the fire works out there and see the best of the best. it felt like a big bowl of cold

oatmeal. i missed yang tonight. i missed booker. and i missed harris and castro. i miss the voices and the issues. immigration and criminal justice. something tla party has to figure out. how to light the fire again. it felt drudgery. that said, there were beautiful moments. i have to say for a joe biden who i thought had a mostly a rough night. he did at moments remind you of why so many people including black voters love him. he has to be a good joe biden. not a good debater. i miss the other voices. >> from your vantage point watching that, no one on the stage -- in your mind walked away as that's the person who can -- >> i think about it every day.

can any of the people get excited about what i saw tonight? i don't see it. we have to do better. >> i think warren had an exciting night. a really good energy. i thought joe biden was very shaky throughout the debate. in the end he came in with -- he had a couple moments where i was like yes that's the joe biden i love. he's back. keep that energy. when he talked about child care. and his caring for his son as a senator. it was a great moment for him and important moment for the issue. we talk about the issue as a woman's issue. it's not. it's a family issue. families are men and women and all kind of folks. joe biden gets that. i think we put too much emphasis on who can go toe to toe on the stage with trump. it's very unlikely trump makes a debate stage with any of these folks. who is making the case to the american public that will fit next to his case. made from rallies.

>> we have to ask the question, you are unhappy you missed all the voices. the fact is that we have had multiple debates now. people had a chance to look them over and over. so maybe people don't share your excitement about it. >> here's the deal. we have a party 25% african-american. if any of those candidates that i mention were riding a big wave of people of support they would have been on the stage. i'm not blaming anybody. there was somebody missing tonight. i don't think it's unrelated to the fact the voices were not there. >> you said warren had a great night. it's interesting. it's a different elizabeth warren. the warren at the beginning of the campaign was somebody who was details, these are policies. this is what i'll talk. and she got challenged on medicare for all. how to pay for it. and she backed off. she is backing away from bernie.

what was her closing argument? it wasn't about her policy proposal. it was i'm electable please like me. look at what happened to jack kennedy. people didn't like him. because he was a catholic. so it's been a transformation of warren. i don't know whether you like her more now or then. or when she began. it's totally different. >> she's definitely been through a ringer. that i think probably only kamala harris could have stood on stage and said yeah i experienced the same. >> she didn't just get challenged on medicare for all. whether or not she got fired because she was pregnant. as she said she did. she's challenged on every faction of the plan. and you have sanders campaign going really negative in several ways. >> that is actually -- i'm not endorsing any of those things.

the fact is it's always fun to have the ride up to the top. that's the kpraexhilarating par. staying there is tough. once you get there you're a target. she learned that. buttigieg has learned that. my feeling is i really do think this race is going to be defined by what happens in iowa. if joe biden wins the caucus he's in a good position to win the nomination. if buttigieg -- >> you think game over? >> if he wins iowa? >> if buttigieg finishes ahead. it's a different race. if warren beats sanders, she's very much in the race. if she dint and doesn't finish close to the top. if she's down the line. she and buttigieg have a will the on the line. the question is did this debate change anything. i'm not sure it did.

>> biden keep going back to the same argument. he is the one with the coalition. he's got african-american voters. he has latin o voters. so we'll see. it's not clear any of the candidates even if they win in the white states they can grow and get -- >> isn't that the argument a sanders and warren are making which we talked about earlier. which sh you need a movement in order to battle a movement. >> the danger with joe biden for all the beautiful moments, he is not building the kind of machine and movement that you see a warren building. or a sanders building. he's going op who he is. that's not enough. the other thing is he, everybody is scared of the guy. everybody who attacks him disappears like a bug zapper. he hasn't been vetted on the question. his stuff on the iraq war is

terrible. trade stuff is terrible. he has real weaknesses where he says he's strong. i don't think nafta makes you strong. there's a biden bubble. you can't take it. you get bug zapped out of the race. he's weak in some places he hasn't been tested. >> give him credit on the healthcare. most don't want to lose private insurance. it relates to national security. most democrats agree we ought to keep a small force to fight terrorism. they don't believe we ought to take everybody out. we have 50,000 troops in japan. 26,000 in korea. since 1957. he hit the button he needed to hit. for a lot of the majority of the democrats. i don't think the debate changed anyone's mind. i'm shocked -- >> to win a caucus, particularly the prediction is the turn out will be quite large. you have to excite people. you have to excite people and encourage them to come out.

you have to have a good organization. the question here in iowa and it will be answered in 20 days. i don't know the answer. can he excite enough people to win a high turn out caucus. and does he have the organization necessary to help in that. and warren has a great organization. buttigieg built a strong organization. people seem to agree. sanders has a cult like following. and. >> strong organization. >> it is an organization. no question. sanders has a good a chance as anyone to win the caucus. for biden the question is -- it's related to bha you're saying. can he generate enthusiasm. i think he did okay tonight. >> he never thought he was going to win iowa. >> he has been down playing expectation. >> same for new hampshire. the strategy. nevada, south carolina. >> the key issue i think is coming out of the first four

contests. heading into march 3. there is bloomberg sitting there with 16 contests and a billion if biden wins on the think the bloomberg experiment is not in good shape. if he finishes fourth it's a whole different -- >> the big question for democrats is if you want a revolution, movement, then you're not voting for joe biden. he won't give you that. if you want relief. >> tums. >> from donald trump. and think he can beat him and he's a band aid. or a bridge to get you over the next four years or whatever. then you'll go for him if you think he can win. i don't know if that's what voters in iowa are thinking. because they are motivated,

committed. >> i wouldn't under estimate. >> people have the view are betting a will the on the mythology of joe biden being strong in the industrial heart land. that hasn't been tested. i get the hillary clinton jitters here. they told us how electable she was and you have a lot of working class people who look at the record. and he is not as tough there possibly as we think. >> culturely akin to the voters in a way clinton was not. >> he provides the comfort. >> has he been challenged on the debate stage by other candidates? that is what trump expertise is. >> my concern about biden and trump is he seems to want to meet him on his level. biden is a decent human being. he is a good guy. he's never going to make it to

trumps level. when he says the push up contest and behind the bleachers. he wants to have a tough guy match up. >> decency. >> last time clinton probably did better in most of the debates than trump. people didn't really care. >> when he talks about restoring america's soul. that speaks to me. >> no one will go as low as trump. low as low can be. we better be prepared to get in that arena. >> biden sticks to time. he stops himself. >> quit talking about the time. >> all the time. >> talk and finish. >> he's reaching for the rope. >> the round is over. >> when he said you have to fight but you have to heal. that's joe biden. he's a fighter but he wants to heal. a big part of the country will resonate with that. >> half the people on the stage tonight have impeachment trial

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all right. we're 20 days out until the first votes are cast in iowa. what is the state of play? very hard to read. but there have been two recent samples. one poll has biden at the top. but the margin of error, about five points. that means your top three, four people could all have a real shot. it was a straw poll, which some like better, in iowa. let's put that up. wait for it. this was a cnn straw poll that had come out. you have bernie there. this time, biden is back five. but the m.o.e., about four points this time. it's anybody's race. what is the read, gov, on why

it's anybody's race when these people are all different candidates. >> it speaks to what is happening in the democratic party. people want a revolution, people are more modmoderate. older folks on the biden side, younger folks with bernie and elizabe elizabeth. it will be interesting to see which of the polls actually shows up. we know young people often don't show up, but these are caucuses, and they're organized. that's what is going on. >> and it will be interesting to see the level of intensity behind the polls. it's not a process of going in and choosing your guy and walking back out. you need to be in there, go over to the next group, negotiate for second position, third position. your guy didn't get there, your

candidate didn't make it. come over to our side. the numbers tell us something, but not everything. i will be interested in knowing who you feel most passionate about it. my guess would be bernie, followed by elizabeth's folks. >> now you have a rift. it's really interesting. so who are the second choice voters going to go to? >> what rift? >> the rift between bernie and elizabeth. the bernie folks were really angry on twitter. it was a risk for her to raise this issue in the way it was raised. it got people angry, the suggestion that he was a sexist in some way. >> i think the voters are smart. especially the voters in iowa, they take their job seriously, thinking about who can win. about a month ago, everybody was

counting out joe biden in iowa. now he's looking a little bit better than in the past. and i think david is right. if joe biden somehow wins in iowa, it changes the calculus. he will do really well in south carolina. then super tuesday comes around. if biden comes out of the first four contests as a winner, or three of them, it could change it. and it could force the bloomberg folks to change their calculus. >> and i expect super tuesday, which will tend to go towards biden. >> and if he doesn't perform the way people expect, the media narratives start mattering a lot with the votes. low moment of the night? >> this is for me, i come from michigan, we've seen a lot of

job losses in the automotive sector. when bernie sanders was asked about des moines being an insurance city. what are you going to do for the people whose jobs are lost? it's a really hard question to answer. and i don't know that he answered it in a way that would satisfy those whose jobs will be lost. >> how about you? >> i felt there were some issues that could have been of importance to black and brown voters that were not addressed. especially given the absence of diversity on the stage, to say we see you, we hear you, and we have a plan to speak to those issues as well. and it didn't happen during the debate, but the after footage that we've seen. we don't know what was said between sanders and warren, but as a progressive, i felt a little deflated to see some

crack there. i realize they're opponents in the race, and aspirants to the same office, but most of them want to see them come out of this thing whole. >> i completely agree with andrew on this, diversity is a great plus for our country. and i thought every candidate missed a wonderful opportunity to speak to the african-american and latinx community. if you were listening with the other ears, we were teasing a little bit about what bernie and elizabeth spoke about, you take that off the stage. everybody is listening on a hot mic. but you guys are thirsty to know what was said. >> i can't believe this was not asked. there has been a lot of discussion about the fact that the debate is so white.

we lost all the diversity. why not put them on the spot. say, what would you do about it for next time? because i think it's a moment to say, we can't have just iowa and new hampshire. >> the next 20 days, i got to leave it there. >> all four states should be on one date. >> thank you very much for watching. stay tuned, an encore presentation of the cnn democratic presidential debate is next. leave them hanging. dana-farber cancer institute discovered the pd-l1 pathway.

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