tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN January 15, 2020 4:00pm-5:00pm PST
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>> dramatic developments unfolding in russia as well. brian todd reporting for us, thanks very much. to our viewers thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room. "erin burnett out front" starts right now. up front next, breaking news, historic handover, the house delivering the articles of impeachment against president donald trump to the senate. one of the newly named impeachment managers, chairman jerry nadler is out front. plus new details about john bolton and what he is preparing to share with the public tonight. and the fbi looking into a trump donor found himself in the center of the ukraine quid pro quo scandal. who is he? let's go out front. good evening, i'm erin burnett. out front, breaking news, speaker pelosi sending the articles of impeachment to the senate. tonight house speaker nancy pelosi signing the two articles of impeachment against president trump, one for abuse of power,
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the other for obstruction. the newly appointed house impeachment managers then walking those articles formally over to the senate. >> make it be very clear that this president will be held accountable, that no one is above the law, and that no future president should ever entertain the idea that article one -- excuse me, article two -- says that he can do whatever he wants. >> history being made tonight. and tomorrow the senators will be sworn in by the chief justice of the united states. and from there anything can happen. will there be witnesses? is there more evidence about to be revealed? tonight that question is even more pressing after the chairman of the house intelligence committee adam schiff, one of the impeachment managers going to be prosecuting the case, told cnn that at any minute new potentially damning evidence could be released. schiff and his team are going through these documents,
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handwritten notes, text messages that they received from rudy giuliani's former associate, the now criminally indicted lev parnas. >> there's a tremendous volume of documents and materials that mr. parnas has turned over to us. we are still going through them, wolf, because there's such a great volume. many of them are in russian and they had to be translated. fortunately we have member of our staff that can help do that. but there is still a great many other documents to go through. >> and i want to be clear. this isn't evidence they had and withheld. this is brand-new. we know the information they received is significant in english where they didn't have to wait for translation. giuliani had the letter he sent to the ukrainian president and he said he was requesting a meeting with him with the, quote, knowledge and consent of president donald j. trump put in black and white which completely
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contradicts what trump said when he said he never did such a thing. it is a historic day in washington. manu raju is live out front on capitol hill to begin our coverage. what are you learning tonight about this crucial question of whether new evidence which is just now being produced and could be extremely significant will be revealed at the senate trial? >> well, the open question about whether senators, particularly republican senators, would be open to hearing some of the new evidence that could be presented, first the evidence that came out yesterday showing that effort that rudy giuliani, the president's personal attorney, was involved with in trying to push ukrainian government to open those investigations into the bidens and those text messages that came from the giuliani associate. that information that came out yesterday is likely to be considered admissible as part of the senate trial. but democrats were involved in this case tell me they expect potentially even more information to come out in the days ahead because not only parnas providing information. there are separate lawsuits that are also pending that also could
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lead to more information coming out. now, if information does come out, erin, at that point, senators would have to vote in order to allow that evidence to be admitted during the trial, and that would require 51 senators to vote. republican senators i talk to are not saying that they would be open to that, in fact saying that they are just simply going to be non-committal, some point in cold water allowing the democrats the idea of bringing forward new evidence. that's going to be a big question in the days and weeks ahead as this trial unfolds. this will start tomorrow in the ceremonial aspects when the impeachment managers go back to the senate, read aloud those articles of impeachment on the floor of the senate, then the chief justice will be sworn in, all hundred senators will take their oaths. then next tuesday is when the arguments will occur. democrats are expected to go first. they will make the substance of their arguments known.
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the white house will provide its defense to the arguments. and then that ultimate question, will the senators, namely republicans, agree to witnesses as democrats have called for like john bolton, mick mulvaney, and others. will they continue to push for the hunter bidens or even the whistleblower to testify? those are questions that will still emerge in the days ahead and will that new evidence also be present? another key question as the twists and turns occur in this historic and unpredictable trial. >> thank you very much. i want to go out front to one of the newly named impeachment managers who will make this case to the senate, chairman of the house, jerry nadler. you saw him front and center in the house impeachment proceedings. chairman, so, here you are, obviously formally now named as an impeachment manager. how are you and the other managers preparing for the trial now? >> well, we are preparing for the trial by going over all the evidence, the overwhelming evidence that was presented in the house. the more evidence that is just
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coming out in the next few days. we are noting the fact that the president in an unprecedented in american history has tried to stonewall and block all evidence. that's the second article of impeachment. but this abundant evidence of the president's detrabetrayal o country. will the senate be complicit in the president's crimes? will the senate hold a real trial or will they deny witnesses and evidence? every impeachment in the history of the country, every trial in the history of the country, you have witnesses. the american people know that if sbun is accused of something, witnesses are brought to testify pro and con. the idea that the senate would say that you can't have witnesses is just meaning that they want to participate in the cover up by the president. >> and i want to ask you about that, but first have you decided what role you're specifically going to play? >> obviously you're going to have -- there's going to be
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various roles to play. but that would be making the opening arguments and dividing that up and if there are witnesses, who does the cross examining. i'm sorry, go ahead. >> we'll divide the work as it seems fit. but the -- how we divide the work is hardly the issue. the issue is the fact that we have a serious threat to the constitution of the republic by the president of the united states, that he violated -- not only violated his oath of office, but that he tried to get a foreign government to join in rigging our next election, and he used hundreds of millions of dollars in federal money voted by congress to do this for his own personal gain. and the question before us now is will the senate be complicit in this by refusing to conduct a trial? and if you don't have witnesses, you don't have a trial. >> so, there are witnesses and information. now we understand from what manu was reporting that the information we have -- for
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example the letter rudy giuliani sent to the president of ukraine in which he requested a meeting for a specific request at the -- with the consent and knowledge of the president, that manu is saying would be admissible as the text messages regarding the surveillance of then ambassador yovanovitch. do you have additional information beyond that? >> there is plenty of evidence. there is evidence that we're still going over. it was just received that has not been translated from the russian yet that is in our possession. but the fact again remains, all evidence, all relevant evidence, is admissible in any trial whether it's a trial for a local bank robbery or a trial for treason against the united states, all evidence is admissible unless -- i mean the idea that you don't invent evidence is unheard of. and the fact that the republicans in the senate are considering that is saying that
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they're considering making the impeachment trial not a trial as the constitution demands but a cover up of the president. >> so, there is of course the question -- and i know it's the whole back and forth on what witnesses you could have waited for in the house, how long you would have waited to get them. and that plays into what some republicans in the senate see as whether they should accept new evidence but also waitnesses. >> all evidence should be accepted. in any trial, all evidence, including evidence that came in after the start of the trial is acceptable if it's relevant. that's the only question, is it relevant. >> right. okay. >> the fact is that we waited for a year in trying to get evidence because the president blocked access in an unprecedented move in american history, blocked access and is still blocking access to the best of his ability to the relevant evidence. >> republican senator lamar alexander was asked about new
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evidence today. i wanted to read the quote to you how he responded. he said the question would be why did they bring the articles of impeachment if they didn't hear from the witnesses they wanted to hear and hadn't considered the evidence they want to consider? >> we brought the articles of impeachment because despite the fact that we didn't hear from any witnesses we should have heard from, we heard from enough witnesses to prove the case beyond any doubt at all. but we still -- but now the senate or some of the senators are saying, senator mcconnell is saying there shouldn't be any witnesses at all and that's just travesty. >> one person not on the independent managers team, justin amash, he got a lot of discussion as to whether he wanted to be, told me last week he would be honored to be asked. but today speaker pelosi said there was no consideration of naming amash and dean phillips told cnn today he's disappointed about amash not being chosen. his quote -- i'm quoting congressman phillips -- was as
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an attorney, former republican, and the only independent member of the house of representatives, he has articulated the constitutional rationale forrism impeachment as well as anyone in congress. do you think this was a missed opportunity? >> i think justin amash showed a lot of courage in doing what he did. i think there are a lot members of the house, mr. amash and many, many others who would make fine managers and the speaker chose seven. that's her choice. i think the seven she chose are very good people. >> and finally are you preparing to deal with hunter biden as a witness? >> no, hunter biden should not be a witness because you only have witnesses who are relevant. that is to say the president is accused of certain crimes, high crimes and misdemeanors. if someone has evidence pro or con as to whether he committed
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those crimes, high crimes and misdemeanors, he's relevant. hunter biden has no way of knowing anything about the allegations against the president. some of the republicans urging that he be called are simply trying to confuse the issue and to throw a red herring in it. if someone is accused of a bank robbery, the relevant witnesses are people who know, who can say he did or didn't rob the bank, not someone who knows nothing about that. >> thank you very much chairman nadler. a appreciate your time tonight. next our breaking news continues. rudy giuliani's former associate lev parnas at the center of the ukraine scandal speaking out tonight, what he is saying is damning to president trump's defense. plus a major set back for the white house. we are learning new details about what the trial will look like. and is joe biden prepared for hunter biden to be called as a witness in trump's impeachment trial? wow!
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president trump knew exactly what was going on. he was aware of all my movements. he -- i wouldn't do anything without the consent of rudy giuliani or the president. >> in terms of the president and what he has said about you, he said about you and mr. fru man i don't know those gentleman, i don't know about them, i don't know what they do. you're saying that's not a true statement from the president. >> heaian collins is out front at the white house. kaitlan, this goes directly against any of this yet? this is obviously just coming out? >> no, nothing from the white house yet on this. they're still going through all those materials that were released overnight, those messages implying that the ambassador yovanovitch was surveilled when she was in ukraine. and of course as you heard there, the president when we first asked about his relation with these two men because of course there are photos of the president with them after they were indicted and they are known
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rudy giuliani associates, he tried to distance himself from them, saying he didn't know them, taking a picture but he was not familiar with them at all. so, the white house is dealing with this as they are still trying to cobble together their defense team for the senate impeachment trial. one of the main points of contention is whether the president is going to include those republican house members on the defense team. that's something they've gone back and forth with over several people, john ratcliffe, jim jordan, mark meadows included in that of whether or not they're going to include them, something that mitch mcconnell has advised the president's against. the president's own instincts tell him he wants to have his fierce defenders on the floor. mark meadows says there is still a debate going on over that. what is more firm is the legal team, the attorneys who are going to be presenting this. that is the white house counsel, two more deputies in the white house counsel's office. but the question is are they
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going to add any more attorneys as this process going on. our sources are telling us in the coming days they may decide to add as they go along saying it wouldn't be unusual because they think bill clinton did something similar. that's a big question, are they going to add another attorney to the mix. >> all right. thank you very much kaitlan from the white house tonight. out front now maggie haberman, tim, director of the nixon library, and john dean. you heard lev parnas, he says the biggest thing that's inaccurate is that the president didn't know what was going on. president trump knew exactly what was going on, he was aware of all my movements. how significant is this? he directly, by the way, says president trump lied when he says he did not know lev parnas. >> it's very significant if he can prove it. if it becomes his word against rudy giuliani and the president, he's going to lose.
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his statements will have no sway in the trial. he's got to have some proof of this. if there's corroboration, say contemporaneous statements to others, that could help. but he really needs good evidence to make this important information. >> i mean, tim, because here's the thing, we just played what mr. parnas said, right? mr. trump was aware of all my movements. and rachel maddow said about you i don't know those gentleman, i don't know about them, i don't know what they do. and lev parnas said he lied. let me just remind everybody about what the president said about lev parnas. here he is. >> i don't know those gentlemen. it's possible i have a picture with them because i have a picture with everybody. i have a picture with everybody here. i don't know them. i don't know about them. i don't know what they do.
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but i don't know, maybe they were clients of rudy. you would have to ask rudy. i just don't know. >> okay. so, lev parnas is saying that's a blatant lie. i mean, as john dean said, it's whether he can prove it. but it is a huge accusation with very significant implications. >> very significant. this is one of the problems when you're trying to assess a criminal conspiracy, that the participants in the conspiracy are not terribly credible. >> lev parnas is being criminally charged. >> that's right. so, they have interests in protecting themselves. so, as john dean said, you're going to need some third party information, as john well knows, there's nothing better than tapes or a document. so, what the house managers will be looking for and i suspect some senators will want to see is some kind of corroboration of what parnas said. but the fact that parnas has said it is important because he is part of that special corrupt group that giuliani put together
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to put pressure on the ukrainians. >> it does fit, of course, maggie, with what others have set and fits with rudy giuliani's letter to ukraine saying he's acting with the knowledge of and consent of the president of the united states. you're reporting rand paul is saying president trump is two minds of witnesses, saying he's hoping he wouldn't have any of them, like someone like lev parnas or someone else like john bolton. but you are hearing new reporting on john bolton. what are you learning? >> john bolton is almost done with the book he is working on it. it will come out, i think, well before if not somewhat before the nominating conventions this summer. and he is going to talk about his time in the trump white house according to people who are familiar with what he's going to do in this book. that is going to include the ukraine scandal. how much depth he's going to get into on it, how much he's going to reveal. i think that remains to be seen. as far as i understand it there's a bunch of people not going to come out looking great.
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one is mick mulvaney. one is mike pompeo, the secretary of state, and one is nikki haley who had john bolton's old job as un ambassador. it's interesting because it's coming at a moment when bolton is playing a bit of game. >> i don't want to talk. >> i don't want to talk to one house led by democrats, but i will talk to one led by republicans. i think he's trying to have it all ways, looking as if he complied with legal onbligation, as if he's open to telling the truth about history. but he also wants to preserve his republican alliances frankly and i think that's going to be an interesting push-pull as we go forward. >> does the president from what you understand and your sources expect that john bolton will testify at this point? >> he's still hopeful that doesn't happen and he still expects it doesn't happen based on everything i've heard. but you have these conversations taking place among republicans about maybe we can do a tit for
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tat if we have a john bolton testify then possibly we have a hunter biden testify. and i've heard from several people close to the president that is what they're going to push for if this ends up being them calling witnesses. i'm also -- i just want to be clear on this. we have been led to believe that bolton knows a lot. we have seen overyears of this white house there are a lot of people who know things and a lot of people who say they know things and they don't. >> we just don't know. do you have an o.j. glove moment? >> right. i would argue mulvaney's testimony is equally if not more important because he was having conversations. and john bolton's relationship with the president was pretty bad at the time this was all going on. i'm not saying he doesn't have an enormous story to tell. but if it would change the arc of what we know in the impeachment, i don't know. >> it's crucial because it's mick mulvaney who gave the order for the aid and the people who said that came from the president. john dean as maggie is talking about trump hoping there will be
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no witnesses, he is extremely focused on who is going to represent him. and he wants as we all know some of his most loyal defenders in the house to be under consideration even though mitch mcconnell said i do not want those guys, this will make this seem unserious. here just so everyone may remember, here are what these guys are like. >> gentleman is not recognized. >> i have a port of order. >> gentleman is not recognized. >> there are four transcripts that have not been released -- >> gentleman is not recognized. >> holy cow. >> the last 30 days i've heard more about hamilton from my democratic colleagues and until then the closest they came to hamilton is a $10 bill bill. >> these are not all the deposition transcripts. these are just the 10 released. the word bribery appears in these 3,500 pages exactly one time. >> nancy pelosi does it again and her democrats fall right in line. one, they are in love with
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terror. we see that. >> so, john dean, will one of those gentleman appear on behalf of the president as part of his dechs team? do you think he's do it? >> well, i'm very familiar with that group having testified in front of it recently. and when you tell a president not to do something, he very much wants to do it. and the way he makes his judgments is how he thinks it'll play on television. so, there's no telling what will come out. i wouldn't be surprised if he wants to push one or more of those people into the team representing him. and i think mitch mcconnell is right. the senate will take some offense if these guys play the clown act. today, we saw that mitch set the tone. it's very solemn. it's very serious. he said let's rise above petty partisanship. while that's unusual coming from mitch, he doesn't respect the institution of the senate. >> he does. and tim, obviously, the white house is saying today background
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they had a call with reporters, extraordinarily unlikely this goes beyond two weeks. you think that is wishful thinking. >> i don't see how that's possible. the democrats have to give. they've got seven managers. they have to lay out the case against the president. the president wants to have this chance to respond. and then you need -- then you'll have a vote on witnesses. even if the vote goes the wrong way with regard to witnesses, you still have to give the senators time to consider the charges and then vote. how you do that before the state of the union, i don't know. >> so, that is scheduled for the day after the iowa caucuses. next a setback for the white house, we are learning more details of mitch mcconnell's plans to run the impeachment trial. and a trump donor in the middle of the scandal. this guy possibly taking part in the efforts to oust the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine to surveil her. who is robert hyde? i feel like i'm losing my identity.
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trial. one republican tells cnn there will be no motion to swiftly dismiss the impeachment trial, an option the white house wanted included. and there will be a vote on witnesses. senator there's guarantee of a vote on witnesses after opening arguments. those arguments could take quite some time. you could have a week and a half by the time the witnesses present their position. are you satisfied waiting that long to have witnesses? >> well, erin, that's right. that's the way mitch mcconnell has structured this. it really doesn't make sense to do it that way. it's a little bit backwards. in fact it's very backwards because under any normal trial proceedings you would have the witnesses and the documents that you wanted as part of the case being put on at trial. but this is something senator mcconnell rounded up the republican senate votes to do.
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and wah hhat that means is that house managers will put on their case as is. and then you'll hear from the president's lawyers. and only then will we have votes on calling relevant fact witnesses and documents. but make no mistake, senate republicans will face that very important vote, and that will be a signal to the country as to whether or not they want a fair trial or they want to participate in rigging the trial. >> so, senator susan collins is one of the republicans open to calling witnesses. she expressed skepticism today which i thought was notable about the information from lev parnas and specifically why it wasn't included in the house impeachment majority report. she said, quote, i wonder why the house did not put that into the record and it's only now being revealed. now, she was immediately told that information is new. it wasn't just being revealed. it hadn't been held back. so, when that was clarified to her, she responded saying doesn't that suggest the house
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did an incomplete job then? are you worried if someone like senator collin social security saying that? is she looking for a reason to back trump's side do you think? >> she may well be looking for a reason to back president trump. and her responsibility however is not to the president. it's to her constituents and to the constitution. and senator collins should know very well that the house put on a very big case. they've got lots of evidence already to support the two articles of impeachment but that this president engaged in an unprecedented amount of obstruction, more than any other president in our history, claiming absolute immunity. and that is why these witnesses were not called, the four witnesses that we've requested, and that's why they've refused to present a single document from the administration. and it's not unusual at all after a grand jury proceeding to have new witnesses at the trial.
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and as you indicated, this new information from lev parnas has just been provided to the house. and the other evidence was evidence that was deliberately kept from the house by the president's own order. so, it is now time to do what the constitution says which is to try the case in the united states senate, and that means being able to hear all the evidence. >> you're hours away from receiving a report from the gao, government investigative agency, and it tackles whether president trump violated the law because congress approved that aid. so, separate from the president's motive in doing so or alleged abuses in how he handled the situation. do you think a black and white conclusion that trump broke the law from the gao will change any minds in the senate? >> well, erin, i don't want to get into the gao report because i haven't seen its conclusions
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and i do want to stress the fact that the house findings were totally independent of this question of whether or not the president violated the empowerment control act, right? the fact that the president used the prestige and power of his office to essentially threaten ukraine with withholding these funds until they did his political bidding is the core of the first article of impeachment. however, we've asked gao to look at this. they're an independent body. and look forward to their conclusions. and i'm happy to talk more about that them when we actually see their opinion. >> before we go, the president signed phase one of a new china trade deal, a deal which while there are a lot of uncertainties and the market sees them, does include a pledge from china to buy $100 billion more in agricultural and energy products than they do now.
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that's $100 billion more coming into the united states from china if this goes through. the market hitting an all-time high today, never before seen. do you think this is a big victory for the president and for this country? >> no, i don't, and i can tell you in talking to maryland farmers and maryland businesses, they're only breathing a sigh of relief because it may be that we're at least getting out of the very problem that the president himself created. this is a little bit like being the arsonist who lights the fire and then the fireman who wants to take credit for putting out the fire. the president created these huge problems, and now he wants to have a big signing ceremony to put out the problems that he solved. now, i will say that there are some fundamental issues where i've supported the president's complaints, primarily with respect to chinese telecom
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companies like huawei and the fact that they stole a lot of u.s. technology and now they pose a security threat to the united states and our allies. but this agreement does not deal at all with the huawei issue which is why i join with republican members of congress to pass legislation to essentially say the president's got to come back to congress before he provides relief to huawei. >> understood. i will say again i know there are questions about whether this all happens as it is laid out. that is fair to point it out. but $100 billion more would be a win. if that happens in terms of buying more agricultural products? >> all i would say, erin, this is like charlie brown and the football. we keep hearing that x is going to happen next, and it just doesn't happen. the football gets pulled away. i would also make the point that some of the fundamental structural issues that really do need to be addressed are still
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left on the table here. so, look, i would -- i hope we'll stay at it with china. i especially hope we'll address issues like huawei which the president did not address in the context of this stage one agreement. but -- those are the big things we need to deal with when it comes to china. >> all right senator, thank you very much. i appreciate your time as always, sir. thank you. next the fbi looking at a trump donor who implied the former ambassador to ukraine was being physically monitored. why? and some republicans suggesting speaker pelosi timed the start of the impeachment trial to help joe biden. the former vice president's campaign manager responds. (mom) were you planning on mowing the lawn today?
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surveillance, of the then ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch. >> a new controversial character has emerged in the ukraine scandal. wow, can't believe trump has fired this b, i'll get right in that. that's just one of the many text messages a trump donor wrote apparently referring to ambassador to ukraine mari yovanovitch. the text was sent to rudy giuliani and just released as part of a trove of documents handed over to house democrats this week by parnas's attorney. the communication suggests hyde was mixed up in the efforts to oust yovanovitch from her post last year and may have taken part in surveillance of yovanovitch while she was in kyiv. the guys asked me what i would like to do and what is in it for them. her phone is off, computer is
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off. they will let me know when she is on the move. hyde later added guess you can do anything in the ukraine with money, what i was told. parnas replied lol. in may, yovanovitch was recalled from her position and in november told lawmakers about the conversation she had with the state department prior to leaving ukraine. >> she said i needed to come home immediately, get on the next plane to the u.s. and i asked her why. and she said she wasn't sure, but there were concerns about my security. >> parnas who has pleaded not guilty to federal campaign finance charges in new york denies through his attorney involvement, quote, and any activities with hyde to surveil the ambassador and try to harm the ambassador. when asked if he offered to harm yovanovitch, hyde responded to cnn in a text, no f-ing way, what kind of bull schiff question is that, referring to house intelligence chairman adam
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schiff. hyde is running for a u.s. congressional seat and recently came under fire after he tweeted a sexually crude response to kamala harris dropping out of the presidential race. the connect d gop refunded his contributions to the party. hyde calls himself an ardent supporter of trump and donated # a$5,000 to his committee, campaign, and other republicans. his social media accounts are filled with pictures of him posing with trump and various members of the trump family. >> now, hyde just called in for an interview with the sinclair station, he denies any surveillance on yovanovitch. as you can imagine she's calling for investigation. the fbi, u.s. attorneys here in manhattan are also trying to figure out what kind of role he might have played in the removal of yovanovitch and really important to note the state department has not demented on
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tonight, a huge gamble. a republican senator tolding cnn the senate impeachment resolution will guarantee a vote on whether to call witnesses in president trump's impeachment trial. of course, if democrats get that vote, republicans could call witnesses, too. hunter biden, joe biden's son, would be first on their list to testify about his work on the board of the ukrainian energy company, burisma. "outfront" now, symone sanders, senior adviser to the biden campaign. simone, great to have you with me.
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earlier, i was speaking to one of the impeachment managers and asking him, well, you don't know what's going to happen, but are you preparing for a cross-examine of hunter biden? and i asked the question to you, is vice president joe biden prepared for his son to possibly be called before the senate for the whole country to hear in this impeachment trial? >> thanks for having me tonight, erin. i think it's important to reiterate that this impeachment trial, the impeachment inquiry, and the impeachment of president trump has nothing to do with joe biden's conduct or hunter biden's conduct and everything to do with president trump's conduct. and the conduct of those around him. and so, as we have said, the folks that should be called or could potentially be called as witnesses and this trial are people with direct knowledge of what president trump's actions were, his thought process, and to be frank, hunter biden or vice president biden fall into that category. i think what's important to reiterate here is that the basis of this impeachment, this impeachment inquiry and now this trial, is donald trump cooking
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up a conspiracy theory, a lie, and a smear about vice president biden and his son, hunter, all because it seems as though donald trump is afraid to face joe biden at the ballot box this fall. so we have to keep our eye on the ball. that's what we're doing. and we encourage others to do the same. meaning, this is about president trump. and now it's on the senate to do their job and we are hopeful that they will. >> of course, you know, it's about president trump, but vice president biden, in every story about it, his name is a part of it, because that's who president trump was looking for information about. so you know, he's part of it in that regard, and also part of it in the sense of the race itself, simone, right? the impeachment trial is going to mean senator sanders, senator elizabeth warren, senator klobuchar are not going to be on the campaign trail. right? starting next tuesday, that's it. they're going to be in washington. they have to be there without their phones in their hands, not allowed to ask questions, sitting in a senate trial. most likely through the iowa caucuses. and we -- you know, our most recent polls, simone, you're
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well aware, shows a four-way statistical tie in iowa between sanders, warren, buttigieg, and biden. so how does this impeachment trial and the fact that two of the front-runners are gone from iowa affect your strategy? >> erin, i want to be really clear. this impeachment is not a political game or a horse race and this trial is not a horse race or about jockeying in the polls for who may come out on top in iowa. this is a very, very -- you know, to quote as my aka friends would say, this is a very serious matter. the reason we are at this point we are now is for 200 years, every single president, democrat or republican, agreed that there should be not foreign interference in our elections. that was until president trump. he stood on the white house lawn, inviting ukraine and china to get some dirt on joe biden. and he apparently used the office of the presidency and our foreign policy to put pressure on a foreign government to dig up some lies and conspiracy
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theories about joe biden that there's just no there there about him or his son. this is not about us. now vice president vice president biden will be out there on the campaign trail. but this is not about us, this is about president trump. >> very quickly before we go, with you know that brrnernie sanders well, you worked with him. warren says sanders told her in 2018 that a woman couldn't be elected president. sanders said anyone who said any such thing was a liar. you were the national press secretary for bernie sanders in 2018, so you know him. do you believe he would say something like that, simone? >> i don't have any insight into the meeting between senator sanders or senator warren or senator sanders' thought process. but this is what i can tell you. joe biden absolutely believes that a president can be president, that hillary clinton beat donald trump and should be sitting in the white house as we speak. >> all right, simone. thank you very much. i appreciate your time and we'll be right back. retirement income is complicated.
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and thanks for joining us. don't forget, you can watch "outfront" anytime, anywhere. just go to cnn go. "a.c. 360" with anderson cooper begins right now. good evening. millions of people watched or have seen the moment and wondered what were elizabeth warren and bernie sanders saying to each other on stage, miked, during what appeared to be a tense confrontation after last night's debate. tonight, cnn has the audio and we'll play it for you. it's potentially significant for the campaign ahead. you'll see it here, and it comes at the end of a day like few others in the country. we want to begin with the history that was made today and what could be a lot more in the making. this evening, with a portrait of george washington looking on behind her and for only the third time in the country's history, house speaker nancy pelosi signed a resolution to transmit articles of impeachment of the president of the united states to the senate. a
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