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you're saying only -- he's only admitted in two cases. no jail time. can he be prosecuted for any of this now? >> as part of hadden's plea deal, the da agreed not to prosecute him for any known offenses. at the time of the plea, that was 18 women. now that number as you said is 32 women who have accused hadden of sexual abuse. their attorney says they want justice. they want to see him behind bars. but whether he's going to be actually tried for additional allegations is really unclear, erin. >> that's incredible that she had the ability, the power and so movingly, the privilege to speak. thank you, dana. thanks to all of you for joining us. "anderson" starts now. , good evening at the end of a landmark day of president trump's extortion scheme, lev parnas says the president knew everything i was doing, these are his word, everybody knew, vice president pence, he says,
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he believes was in the loop, mick mulvaney, and rudy guiliani's go between, the guy on the ground for guiliani in ukraine, lev parnas is certainly in a position to know. he also we should point out is an alleged felon under federal indictment on campaign finance charges. he is wearing an ankle monitor. he is out on bail. he has baggage. his prosecutors say they don't choose their witnesses, in a moment, our conversation, so you can decide for yourself so you can make of the pressure campaign he says he helped carry out, the extortion, he says he helped carry out on the president's behalf to get the ukrainians to announce an investigation of the bidens. and with his words practically hanging in the air today, the non-partisan government accountability office, they released a bombshell report saying the administration broke the law when they withheld mandated military aid to ukraine.
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in the space of a day, the government watchdogs say the white house broke the law and the henchman directly implicates the president and top officials and the third time in history, a presidential impeachment trial began. >> that law senators remain standing and raise their right hand. do you solemnly swear that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of done jalalabad john trump, president of the united states, now pending, will you do impartial justice according to constitution and laws so help you god? the clerk will call the names in groups of four, senators will present themselves at the desk to sign the oath book. >> impartial justice. they swore that they would do that. impartial justice, one by one they did. they signed that oath. a few moments later, the sergeant of arms made it official. >> hear ye, hear ye, hear ye,
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all persons are commanded to keep silent on pain of imprisonment, while the house of the senator is presenting impeachment against donald j. trump, the president of the united states. >> not long after that, the president weighed in. >> it's a hoax, everybody knows that, it's a complete hoax. the whole thing with ukraine. so you have a perfect phone call. everything was perfect. and they impeach. it's totally partisan. we had 195-nothing republican votes. i guess we got a democrat actually came over to the republican side. we had 195 to nothing. this is a hoax. it's a shame. >> he was also asked about lev parnas as he so many times before about so many other associates, here's what he said. >> oh, i don't know him. i don't know parnas other than i guess i had pictures taken which
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i do with thousands of people including people today i didn't meet, just met him. i don't know him at all. i don't know what he's about. i don't know where he comes from, i know nothing about him. >> knows nothing about him. keep in mind, lev parnas is not claiming the president gave him his marching orders or asked details what was gone allegedly on his behalf. what he says goes to the heart of the impeachment, now if it's true what he says, it ties the president of the united states into the worst of it. much of it is accompanied by documentation which he's provided to federal investigators that could find its way into the proceedings, maybe not. though portions of it have not yet been corroborated. some has been refuted. his account largely tracks what testimony that we have already heard, sworn testimony. we spoke late tonight, or excuse me late last night accompanied by his attorney joseph bondi. here's part one of tonight's 360 interview. >> you loved president trump?
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>> i loved him. he i mean when the fbi came to my house, victoria, my wife, felt embarrassed because they said i had a shrine to him. i had pictures all over. i idolized him. i thought he was the savior. >> did you think you were friend? >> absolutely. i went from being a top donor at all the event where we somersetize to becoming a close friend of rudy guiliani's, to eventually becoming his ally on the ground if you crane. >> when the president of the united states said he didn't know you. >> i don't know those gentleman. now it's possible i have a picture with them because i have a pick with everybody. i don't know them. >> the truth is out now, thank god. yesterday was a big day for us. i thank god every day, i was worried that day is not going to come. i to the they were going to shut me up, make me look like the scapegoat and try to blame me for stuff i haven't done.
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but with god's help and a great legal team i have beside me, we were able to get the information out. now it's out there. so, i welcome him to say that anymore. every time he says that i'll show him another picture. >> he's lying? >> he's lying. >> your attorney in a tweet had said there were two times in which you gave a message of a quid pro quo to ukrainian officials. what were those two times? >> i think there were probably more than two times. the first quid pro quo was when we met with president poroshenko. >> former president? >> former president poroshenko. >> so what was your message to poroshenko? >> he would make the announcement that he would get trump with either invite him to the white house or make a statement for him, but basically would start supporting him for you know president. >> so that was the first quid pro quo, poroshenko can come to the white house, get a meeting with trump if he announces an investigation? >> correct. >> what was the next one? >> you have to understand, this
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was a transition time, zelensky just one, he was the president-elect. the most thing was not in the transition, it was to get the inauguration. because it was a big thing. >> to show the american backing of the new administration. >> because he had no strepg with russia. >> so guiliani cencels his visit because there is no publicity. you go have the meeting with a high level official and zelenski's circle, what's the message you deliver? >> i basically told them very strict, very stern, several things, he need to make an announcement, immediately make an announcement literally that night or tomorrow within the next 24 hours that they were opening up an investigation on biden. >> at that point was there any mention of withholding of aid? >> yeah. well, if they didn't make the announcement, basically, there would be no relationship. it's no specific military, no way this was going to be
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assisted. there was gentleman to be no inauguration, pence wouldn't be at the inauguration. there would be no visit to the white house. there would be basically they would have no communications. >> so how, you told the top official in the zelenski inner circle if they did not announce the investigation of the bidens immediately and get rid of some folks around zelenski who they believed were opposed to president trump, that there wouldn't be any aid and vice president pence would not even come to the inaugural reagan? >> right. >> and what happened? what did they say? >> i called rudy told them i don't think there is going to be an announcement. he said, okay, they'll see. >> they'll see? >> they'll see? >> and what happened the next day? >> i got called and said that they got a call from them, basically they found out that pence is not going to be there, it got cancelled, they said there was a scheduling problem or something. >> the day after you delivered that message the quid pro quo? >> correct. monday the 13th and then after
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that like on the 16th or the 15th, i don't remember the exact dates, they had because they were flipping out what to do. they didn't want to be embarrassed. they didn't know if anybody at all was going to show up. but they knew pence wasn't coming, trump wasn't coming. >> how did you have the authority to say the vice president of the united states will not attend the inauguration if you don't do what i say next? >> i mean that's what i was told to do. >> who told you to do that? >> rudy guiliani. >> this letter that you gave to the house, the first line which is a letter from rudy guiliani to president-elect zelenski, i am counsel to donald j. trump. just to be precise, i represent him as a citizen not president of the united states. duties of president and private citizen are not the same. so he is making a very clear point that he's not representing
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the interests of the united states at large, the american national security, he's representing the interests of donald j. trump. >> that was always a point. >> that was always made? >> he always made it clear, he doesn't represent, wherever we went, i don't represent the government, i represent the president of the united states. >> so anything rudy guiliani wanted the government of ukraine to do, that wasn't official u.s. policy, that was a personal benefit to the president of the united states? >> well, you know when i was doing it, i thought it was all in the same. obviously now, i can see with the situation the way it is, it was strictly for him, but again i thought he was the, our leader. he's the chief, he's the president and it was all about 2020 to make sure he had another four years. >> but that's how you personally viewed it. this is about 2020 to help him get the next four years? >> that was way everybody viewed
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it. i mean, that was the most important thing is for him to stay out in front another four years and keep the fight going. doing it. >> did the president -- ukraine? >> you have ask him. the only thing i know we cared about and we were the team was to get zelenski or poroshenko to make a release announcement into the investigation. >> in terms of who knew about what you were doing in ukraine, did vice president pence know? >> of course. >> because i mean his office has said he was unaware of you know that he had met with zelenski after not going to the inauguration, but he wasn't delivering a message of a quid pro quo. >> again like i said i'm not here to debate. i'm here to get the truth out. i got my records. >> how do you know the vice president would have known what guiliani was up to? >> because we would speak every
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day. i knew everything that was going on, after rudy would speak with the president, or come from the white house, i was the first person he briefed. i mean we had a relationship. we were that close. i mean we were together from morning to night. i mean he took me, i mean in the interview he would do, i would be sitting there while he was doing interviews. >> so guiliani knew everything you were doing? >> everything. >> you are saying vice president pence knew? >> i don't know if vice president knew everything we were doing. i'm sure he knew -- >> he knew about a quid pro quo? >> of course, everybody that was close to trump knew that this was a thorn in the side and this was a serious situation. >> bolton? >> bolton. >> mulvaney? >> bolton i don't think agreed with it. i think there are certain people agreed with it. >> he called it a drug deal, according to fiona hill? >> i think bolt isn't a very important witness, i think between me and bolton we can fill in all the dots. i think because i was on the
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ground there and he was over here. >> you would be willing to testify? >> i would be very willing to testify. >> from a few modems ago, you heard president trump say he didn't know lev parnas, vice president pence says he was aware dirtying up joe biden was the goal. we reached out to rudy guiliani, we got no response, he said to the associated press, i'm quoting, i feel sorry for him, i thought he was an honorable man. i was wrong. next in part two of our conversation, why lev parnas believes senators are afraid to call him as a witness, it had the legal implications as well as the gao striking conclusion the white house broke the law. >> that and more when we continue on this history-making day. if you have moderate to severe psoriasis, little things can be a big deal.
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but before the break, you heard lev parnas say he is willing to testify at try. part two of our conversation explains why that may not happen. liss bid to get rid of marie yovanovitch, ambassador in ukraine, according to him a big role in it. >> did you want yovanovitch removed? >> me personally? i didn't have no personal motives there did you know her? >> no, i didn't know her. >> you didn't have an opinion at all? >> my opinion came from the crowd i was n. over the time it grew more and more and more and more and more and eventually i felt like i hated her because you know everybody hated her and i mean --
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>> you say the crowd, ukrainians or guiliani? >> it's primarily our trump crowd. >> why did they hate her? >> because she was supposed to be a leftover from the obama-soros democrat era and that she was -- >> that's what you were told? >> and that she's not a trumper. to my knowledge, the president fired her at least four times, maybe five times, once in my presence. >> explain that, you said he fired her in front of you? >> correct. >> what happened? >> that was the first interaction about her. we had it was a dinner at the, private dinner for a super pac in washington, d.c. at the trump hotel and in the conversation, the subject of ukraine was brought up and i told the president that our opinion that she is bad mouthing him and that she said he is going to get impeached, something like that, i don't know word-for-word. >> you said that at the table
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where the president was? >> correct. >> his reaction was he looked at me, like he got very angry and basically turned around to john destefano and said fire her, get hid of her. >> you have been described, the position you ended up with guiliani as a fixture for guiliani on his efforts to dig up dirt on the bidens. is that accurate? >> i don't know what you call a fixer. >> arrange meetings. >> that i mean that's exactly what i did. i was the middleman between two worlds. here i was, i had a partner igor fruman that grew up in ukraine, he had extensive businesses, from his business he knew all kind of people that were politicians. >> he had the contacts? >> it was all his contacts. i didn't have any contacts in ukraine. i don't have contacts if you crane. >> for a guy that doesn't have contacts in ukraine, you able to get meetings with very important people in the ukraine, why is that? >> if the president of the united states tells me,
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everybody will meet with you. >> everybody you met with knew you represented rudy guiliani and by association the president? >> i mean it was more than that. the protocol would be when i would need like i'll give you an example, when i first met a close -- >> aid owe. >> yes to zelensky. head of intelligence, when he was the first president we met in the zelensky camp. the first thing i said i represent rudy guiliani and i'm going to put him on the phone. i put him on speaker phone. rudy at that time told him that i represent the president of the united states and that everything i say that to be taken with that authority. >> rudy guiliani said on speaker phone to the man who now runs ukrainian intelligence that you represent guiliani and the president? >> absolutely. the president directly. >> that you represent the president? >> correct. that's why they spoke to me. that's why i got out of there
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alive. >> you can say with 100% certainty that everything rudy guiliani did in ukraine was done with the president's blessing, whether or not he had foreknowledge or was told about it afterward, but guiliani and the president were in frequent communications? >> beyond frequent. several times a day. and rudy wouldn't do anything without the president. so just like i wouldn't do anything about rudy's. >> the argument made by a lot of republicans during the congressional hearings was not only that the president cares deeply about corruption in ukraine. so this wasn't just about a personal benefit for the president, but that zelensky, himself, has come forward and said, i didn't feel any pressure. there wasn't any quid pro quo. you've met with a whole host of people in his inner circle throughout the government. >> that's a lie. that's a total lie. they're still rocked to this day. they're still not recovered and i don't know when they will. >> you have no doubt they felt
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this pressure, this was a -- >> oh my god, of course. >> existential threat to survival? >> well, the main reason my life was threatened was because of that. >> so why do you think zelensky says, oh, no, there was no pressure, i didn't feel no pressure? >>er that in an awkward position, i'm not sheer to call them out. >> the progression is if zelensky says whatever he actually feels, he still got out, he still needs aid from the trump administration? >> obviously. listen, my opinion is this, you know, loyalty goes so far, but i think there the a lot of people in the republican party that don't agree, they're good people, that don't agree with what he's doing. but they're scared. he gets away with everything. especially with attorney bill barr on the side and the justice department, i mean, and a lot of
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people are scared, they don't want to get investigated. >> people are scared of getting investigated by the justice department on behalf of president trump, you are saying? >> i think so. >> does that scare you? >> it scares me a lot. i pray every day that that's not the case or god has a way, that's why i was hopeful to get this information out. now i'm ready to deal with whatever it is, if i did something wrong, i will take my responsibility. like i said what i was charged with has nothing to do with what we're discussing right now. i think this is important for national security and i think it's important for the country to find out the truth exactly what happened and one of the things he said, you have to understand, when these congressional, he said during the congressional hearings, i watched them very well. they made all kind of argument. there was no proof to back it up. they talk all this stuff, this and that, they didn't bring one evidence, the democrats brought
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all this proof, all this evidence, all this testimony, show me one witness that came out. if you really look at it, i should be their best witness. i should be their number one witness, i'm the one that got all the dirt, supposedly. why aren't they calling me to testify? why do they need biden? call me, ask me what biden did wrong. >> do you think they're afraid of calling you? >> i think they're very afraid of me. i think they're afraid of me because they think they made a mistake by you know trying to do what they did to me. >> if you could say anything to the president, what would you say? >> i would say that he's not a king. he needs to understand that there is a democracy, there is rules, you know, even if you don't like them, even if you don't agree with them, it's all fun and dandy, go to these rally, standing up. i was there i was front stage. i was the first one the trump straws, but it's scary if he wins another four years, i think i don't know what will happen, i
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don't know what will lap to me. i guess i'm enemy number one right now. so you know i pray that i have counsel and i will be protected and we'll fight this, but i'm glad the truth is out. i feel good. i feel good they was able to do my civil duty in front of congress and i'm here to help congress and hopefully i want to look at the gop senators and to let them know that i'm here, i'm you know not just the republicans, the democrats, you should know the truth. you can validate it. you have all my information. call me. we can sit down and i'll tell you everything. >> lev parnas. just ahead as the senate impeachment trial gets under way, a top democrat on the former relations committee joins me, you heard tonight from lev parnas. ch when you have pain...
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. senate democratic leader chuck schumer was asked today by the allegation of mr. parnas, mr. schumer said it helps strengthen witnesses, it's something we wouldn't rule out unquote. as you heard a few moments ago, parnas says he is hoping to get that call. >> if you really look at it, i should be their best witness. i should be their number one witness, because i'm the one that got all the desert supposedly, why do they need biden? call me. ask me what biden did wrong. >> do you think they're afraid of calling you? >> i think they're very afraid
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of me. >> joining me is democratic senator ed marky one of the jurors in the impeachment trial and sits on the foreign relations committee. i'm wondering what you make of parnas saying president trump knew exactly what was going on. he also has no direct evidence about the vice president, he believes pence would have known as well as mulvaney and bolton and oughts. i'm wondering what you make of his allegations? >> well, he's only saying what ambassador sonland said was everyone was in the loop, everyone knew, everyone was completely and totally aware of the fact that the president was withholding $391 million worth of american taxpayer money in order to extorlt an investigation of the biden family. it's very consistent with everything we heard. we are close to the source because of the relationship with mr. parnas has with guiliani and so we know that he was integral
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to pulling off this caper and if he's willing to testify, then that's a powerful corroboration of the central charges against the president of the united states. >> ukraine's foreign minister says he doesn't believe any word, parnas is facing charges, there is questions about his credibility, which i asked him about also, to me one of the remarkable things about essentially what his position was, there is no doubt he was very close to guiliani. there was no doubt he was in ukraine doing this stuff. the fact that he would hold up a phone and guiliani would speak and say according to parnas say to whoever ukraine official he is meeting with, this guy represents me and represents the president. >> right. there is no question that guiliani hered pard hired parnae a representative in the ukraine in order to talk to the ukraine government a about an
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investigation of the bidens in return for this money. i don't think there is any question about that. now, parnas is someone who's evidence woes testimony should be questioned, challenged, like any other witness. but he should be a witness. he should have his documents presented to the senate. this is ultimately a trial, a search for the truth and this evidence that is being presented is directly relevant to the question of what the president knew and when he knew it. what he told guiliani, or his other officials to try to execute as part of this attempt to extort an investigation of the bidens out of that government. so from my perspective, parnas should have all of that information provided to the senate. he, himself, should be made available so he can be questioned as well. >> it is also remarkable you hear from parnas, every time he talks about what the quid pro quo was, his message to the ukrainians was, it's always the
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same, an announce. of an investigation against the bidens, not an investigation, itself. like that didn't matter, whether there was, in fact, parnas said to me, you wouldn't want the ukrainians doing an investigation, it's the last place you would trust to have a fair and thorough investigation given corruption issues in ukraine. they just wanted the announcement. >> it's clear that at that time that president trump was paranoid about joe biden, that he wanted to discredit, undermine that candidacy. i don't think there is any question about that the only issue now is whether or not the senate is going to hear from nick mulvaney, who was first hand in access to the president, whether or not we will hear from john bolton who called it a drug deal, whether or not the other witness at omb or in the white house who had first-hand information are going to be allowed to give that information
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to the united states senate and to ultimately the most important audience, the american people. and parnas in his information only reenforces the testimony that the house of representatives heard. this would be on top of all of that testimony. >> yeah. >> that's what a trial is. it's not a grand jury proceeding. that's essentially what happened in the house. this is a real trial and you cannot as those who are conducting a trial mind yourself willingly to the information which is now available. an avalanche of information which has now become available since the house voted their impeachment articles, so that the american people and the senate, which is by the way also on trial along with president trump to conduct a trial full and fair so that the american people can understand what was being done in their name. >> senator, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. i want to bring in cnn's chief analyst and former federal
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prosecutor jeffrey toobin and analyst kirsten powers. jeff, what do you think of parnass as a witness? >> well, he has a distinctive style. he's very dead pan, very low key. you somehow don't realize how extraordinary story he is telling. the proprietor of fraud guarantee, he is going to the leadership of the governor of ukraine and saying unless you announce an investigation of the biden family, are you not getting the money that congress has authorized. you are not getting the visit from the president and you are not getting an oval office visit. and it's true. none of it happened. >> in fact,als, he's a guy that shows up in their offices and holds up a phone, according to him, rudy guiliani's voice emerges from the phone saying you got to listen to this guy. >> and the story checks out to the extent we can.
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obviously, i think senator markey said it right, you should test his credibility like anyone else. but does he have a story to tell? >> what do you you make of lev parnas? >> yeah, i think if you take a step back from everything he is saying, he has this very calm demeanor. i agree with jeffrey. it's a really crazy story, but as the familiar story. it is something if you watch the hearings, you know, in the house judiciary committee and intel committee, it's a familiar story, there are other people saying a lot of the same kind of things. so i think the fact that he is saying, you know, this was absolutely a the president was leading this whole effort knew about it. the fact that it was always about 2020. he said to you that everybody knew that, everybody knew that this was about 2020. again, i think it's pretty consistent with a lot of things that we've already heard and then you add in this letter that's been released of guiliani representing to you know the
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president of the ukraine, i'm here in my personal capacity, which also undermines this idea that a lot of republicans were saying it was just foreign policy, but the letter shows otherwise. >> yeah, stay with us. still lot to discussion whether the democrats should call lev parnas as a witness even if they were able to do that ahead. my psoriatic arthritis pain? i had enough!
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here. >> you would be willing to testify? >> i would be very willing to testify. >> back with us jeffrey toobin and kirsten powers. how, i mean, there is no sign that any testimony is going to take place. >> well, mcconnell is dead set against it. the question is, are there four republicans who wille with the democrats? i think it's unlikely. >> john dean said he thought it would only need to be three because a deciding vote would be the chief justice? >> well, you know, this is one of the many uncertainties. in the 1868 trial of andrew johnson, the chief justice did break a couple of ties on procedural issues. but since then, the received wisdom has been that a tie is a failure. it means no again, nobody knows for sure, because you know so many of these issue versus not been sorted out because they've never happened before. >> kirsten, bolton can fill in the dots, we know bolton claims to be willing to testify if
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suspended. though he wasn't willing to testify to the house. do you think that this -- do you think parnas and bolton saying he is willing to puts any more pressure on senators to call on witnesses? or they don't really care? >> i don't think they really care. i'm not sure they would care if they testified. i think what republicans will keep falling back on is they're just taking their word. so you're taking lev parnas' word that it happened and the president said it didn't happen. they will fall back on that. it doesn't matter how many people the el the same story so ambassador sondland said the same thing lev parnas said the president only wanted an announcement of the investigation. an actual investigation. it undermines the whole story that he cares about corruption. sorry, jeffrey. >> i'm sorry, i'm just not sure -- i'm not sure that's true that these senators will feel no pressure at all. i mean the idea that there
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should be a fair trial the a very simple one to understand. and if you just railroad this thing with no witnesses, i mean, how does susan collins explain that to the voters? how does corey gardner explain that to the voters of colorado? that there was just no reason to call any witnesses this case was so clear? >> i'm not saying that they may end up calling witnesses, my point is even if they call the witnesses that i think most of the republicans will just say, basically, unless you have a picture of a video of donald trump doing this, we don't believe you. >> oh, i agree with you on the ultimate vote. but you know i think the issue of witnesses is really a big deal. and the public is going to see the testimony and will make up its mind. look, all of us who have covered trump have you know been wrong about oh the public is going to change its sentiment about anything. the public never changes, the polls haven't moved since he
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became president. i do think the idea of a fair trial is a powerful one. >> we have to leave it there. thank you. coming up next, cnn correspondent arizona senator, senator markey mcsally, a pretty routine question today, what happened next is anything but routi routine, that's coming up on the ridiculist. let's create a plan for what's next. i like that. get a plan that's right for you. td ameritrade. get a plan that's right for you. hey allergy muddlers... achoo! ...do your sneezes turn heads? try zyrtec... ...it starts working hard at hour one... and works twice as hard when you take it again the next day. zyrtec muddle no more.
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the oath taken today by mcconnell, and i think 99 of the senators, right, in office is still to be done next week. but it's already off to a shaky start. you can't really trust the oath. this guy, parnas, that interviewed, we've seen out there with maddow's interview, he's got credibility issues, there's no question about that. you can't ignore what he says. there are documents that back it up. he should be tested at trial, and i don't see how the senate gets around all the information that they must ignore if they don't have witnesses. >> yeah. we'll see what they're going to do. chris, we'll do that in about eight minutes from now. one senator's response from a simple question finds our spot on "the riducu hi sriduculist" . bla
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time for "the ridiculist." tonight senator martha mcsally, sadly, sally's to the list. she's a republican from arizona when on the day president trump was under examination for rule of law, she was up for in the halls of congress. this is when the senator was asked a straightforward and simple question -- >> would you consider new evidence as part of the impeachment trial? you're not going to comment, senator? >> a liberal hack. that's what senator mcsally called manu. for the record, man you raj uma
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good journalist and a good human being and nice person. he's incredibly polite asking public officials questions that they often do not want to be asked. but you know what, they're public officials. that's part of their job. and by the way, the question that he asked, it wasn't exactly what sarah palin used to like to call a gotcha question, which weren't gotcha questions at all. should the senate consider new evidence as part of the impeachment trial? ah, wow. if you can't answer that question, maybe you shouldn't have been elected to the senate. but oh -- sorry. martha mcsally actually wasn't elected to the senate. she actually tried to get elected, but she lost, i forgot that. she lost actually to a democrat. she only has the privilege of walking the halls of the senate and calling others a hack because she was appointed to the job by the governor of arizona to fill the seat left vacant
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when john kyl, temporarily filling the seat of the late senator john mccain, retired. now, i didn't know much about mcsally because her record in the senate is pretty thin. it turns out mcsally is a veteran of the air force and has a really honorable and impressive record of service. she was a trailblazer in the military. she actually sued the defense department while serving so that female service members didn't have to wear head scarves when off base in saudi arabia. she may be pretending to be tough in the media now or hate the media now. but when she wanted attention for her lawsuit, she had no problem popping up on cbs's "60 minutes." that was 18 years ago for, you know, person who's become a desperate politician. that's a lifetime. she also didn't seem to dislike the media when "elle," not exactly the daily caller, profiled her in 2016. she was a political moderate, according to wikipedia, a pragmatic conservative. the magazine said she, quote, seeks to engage in rational discussion based on mutually agreed facts. well, based on the mutually agreed fact of her slur today, i
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think it's fair to say that mcsally's days of engaging in rational discussion are over. see because what her calling manu a liberal hack is really about is her running scared and attempting to reinvent herself as a trump foot soldier. that's what this is about. she's up for re-election. she now actually has to earn her senate seat, with the unshe was appointed to. she's running against former astronaut mark kelly. it's going to be a tough election. she's desperate to say or do anything to stay in power. that's what this is about. in 2016, she was running for congress. she didn't endorse trump. she probably doesn't want to talk about that now, but she didn't endorse trump. in fact, she spoke out against trump when the "access hollywood" tape came out. she's been baseball about sexual abuse she suffered from a coach in high school. she's been brave about that. he said trump's comments are disgusting, joking about sexual assault is unacceptable. i'm appalled. sure. she was running for re-election as a congresswoman then in a
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swing district. maybe it was political calculation. but it was at least politically a tough call. but once trump won and she ran for senate in 2018 for jeff flake's seat, she knew which way the wind was blowing. she started embracing trump. "politico" wrote, "martha mcsally wants to make one thing clear before she's launches an arizona campaign, she's a big fan of president donald trump, big fan." mcsally's brave, she's been in combat. she was a trailblazer in the military. now she wants to stay in power so she picks on a good and decent reporter just asking a fair and simple question. and you know how you know -- this is all just a political act -- she herself tweeted a video of the exchange. and she herself is now fund-raising on that exchange. she's trying to make money off the fact that she called manu raju a liberal hack. the president is asking people to donate to her because she was rude and unprofessional to a reporter. big, long, slow clap for you. reporter was just doing his constitutionally backed job. so congratulations appointed
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senator mcsally. i'm sure the money's going to flow in, you may get a bump in the polls, and you may win. but look at the company you are now in, and look how far you have come. you were once a profile in courage. you're now a profile in politics. the news continues. over to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> well said. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." we are living history, my friends. president trump is on trial. the senate took an oath to do its impartial best today. the question is, can they honor that oath if they don't have witnesses and examine the record of fact? let's take a look tonight at what they may try to avoid. the damning details offered by trump co-member lev parnas. what do you say? let's get after it. all right. for better or worse, today it begins. senators took an oath
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