welcome to this "360" special, the lev parnas interview. he and igor fruman operated on the ground on behalf of rudy giulia giuliani. parnas was on the front line to get the ukrainians to announce an investigation into the bidens. not to launch an investigation, just to announce one. he says he on at least two occasions delivered the quid pro quo to ukrainian officials. president trump has denied knowing parnas but parnas says he is lying.

he said president trump knew what he and giuliani was up to. parnas is on federal indictment for campaign finance violations. this included pages of text exchanges with giuliani and others. more documents may be released any time soon. i spoke to lev parnas earlier this week. he was accompanied by his attorney joseph bandi. the person you were two years ago, are you the same person you were two years ago? >> no. no. i'm not the same person i was two years ago. two years ago i fell into -- i'm not a political guy, never was in politics. i was a businessman trying to get by. had my ups and downs and some way somehow now sitting back and looking at it and evaluating thaefrg had happened, i think there was a reason for it. i think i was recruited.

i think at some point because of two worlds collided as me and igor were trying to build a business. >> igor fruman. >> igor fruman. entering the trump orbit, it's not the usual orbit that i have known being around and it is not typical in the other administrations. >> during the campaign it was small. >> that's right. it was the same people. the same faces. >> it was possible to actually get in. >> it was -- yeah. i mean, it was -- i mean, we were there all the time. >> you loved president trump. >> loved him. i mean, he -- i mean, when the fbi came to my house to raid it my wife felt embarrassed because they said i had a shrine to him. i had pictures all over. i idolized him. i thought he was the savior.

>> you -- did you think you were friends? >> absolutely. i mean, again, i went from being a top donor, from being at all the events where we would just socialize to becoming a close friend of rudy giulianis to eventually becoming his ally and his asset on the ground in ukraine. >> the president has said-when you were arrested the president of the united states said he didn't know you. >> i tonight know those gentlemen. now it's possible i have a picture with them because i have a picture with everybody. i don't know them. >> the truth is out now thank god. yes, that was a big day for us. i thank god every day. i was worried that day was not going to come. i thought they were going to shut me up, make me look like the scapegoat and try to blame me for stuff but with god's help and the great legal team i have beside me, we were able to get the information out and now it's out there so i welcome him to say that even more. every time he says it i'll show them another picture. >> he's lying? >>s' lying. >> your attorney in a tweet had

said there were two times in which you gave the message of a quid pro quo to ukrainian officials. what were those two times. >> i think there were probably more than two times. the first quid pro quo is when we met with president poroshenko. >> former president poroshenko. >> what was your message to poroshenko? >> if he would make the announcement that he would g get -- trump would invite him to the white house or make a statement for him. >> that was the first quid pro quo. poroshenko can come to the white house and get a meeting with trump, what was the next one? >> this was a transition time. zelensky just won. he was president-elect. the number one thing in their agenda was not even the transition, it was to get the inauguration. >> to show the american backing of the new administration? >> of course, because he had no

strength abroad. >> giuliani cancels his visit because there's a lot of bad publicity about the united states. you go have the meeting with the high level official in zelensky's circle and what's the message you deliver? >> i basically told them very strict and very stern several things. zelensky needed to make an announcement that night or within the 24 hours they were opening up an investigation on biden. >> at that point was there any information on withholding data? >> well, if they didn't make the announcement basically there would be no relationship. no specific military, no aid, no inauguration. pence wouldn't be at the inauguration. there would be no visit to the white house. they would have no communication. >> you told the top official in the zelensky inner circle that if they did not announce an

investigation of the bidens immediately and get rid of some folks around zelensky who they believed were opposed to president trump, that there wouldn't be any aid and vice president pence would not even come to the inauguration. >> correct. >> and what happened? what did they say? >> i called rudy, told him that i don't think there's going to be an announcement and he said, okay, they'll see. >> they'll see? >> they'll see. >> and what happened the next day? >> i got called and said that they got a call from -- they found out that pence is not going to be there. he got canceled. they said that there was a scheduling problem or something. >> the day after you delivered that message? >> correct. >> it was monday the 13th and then after that, like i think on the 16th or the 15th, i don't remember the exact dates, they had -- because they were flipping out what to do. they didn't want to be embarrassed. they didn't know if anybody at all was going to show up but

they knew pence wasn't coming, trump wasn't coming. >> how did you have the authority to say the vice president of the united states will not attend the inauguration if you don't do what i say? >> that's what i was told to do. >> who told you to do that? >> rudy giuliani. >> this letter that you gave to the house, the first line is a letter from giuliani. i am private counsel to president donald trump. duties and privileges of a president and private citizen are not the same. so he is making a very clear point that he is' not representing the interests. united states at large for american national security, he's representing the interests of donald j. trump. >> that was always the point. >> that was always the point? >> that was always clear. he made it very clear he doesn't represent him. wherever he went, he said, i don't remember the government, i

represent the president of the united states. >> anything rudy giuliani wanted the government of ukraine to do, that wasn't official u.s. policy, that was a personal benefit to the president of the united states. >> when i was doing it i thought it was all in the same but obviously now i can see the situation the way it is, it was strictly for him but, again, i thought he was our leader. he's the chief, he's the president. it was all about 2020 to make sure he had another four years and that -- >> but that's how you personally viewed it. this is about 2020 to help him get the next four years. >> that was the way everybody viewed it. that was the most important thing is for him to stay on for another four years and keep the fight going. there was no other reason for doing it. >> did the president care about russia and ukraine? >> you'd have to ask him. as far as i know, the only thing

we cared about, we were the team, was to get zelensky or poroshenko or somebody to make a press release and an announcement into the biden investigation. >> giuliani told cbs news that he's never tempted to get dirt on political opponents. he was only gathering information. >> i don't know what he's talking about it. >> how do you know that? >> because i was with rudy every day. he spoke to him every day. >> you were with him when he spoke to the president. >> i know it's hard to believe. i don't think my records would be in impeachment unless they validated and proved that, you know -- >> and what did you -- what -- what did you hear? was there anything you heard

rudy giuliani telling the president on the phone that was significant? >> yeah, i heard the president ball rudy out on the golf course one time because of something he went on tv and said back there in the mueller case. i mean, usually they were pleasant. depending what the conversation -- it's hard for me to sit here and remember every conversation. >> giuliani has come out and said that you're lying. he said the words you're saying are coming from your attorney and the attorney is leading you down the path of michael cohen. >> i take that as a threat from him because of what happened to michael cohen and he knows i have nothing good or bad to say about michael cohen. we've met a couple of times in our past but we don't have no relationship. so, i mean -- but we're two different people. michael cohen was his attorney. they had their own relationship. i have no comment on that and i have my own relationship. >> in terms of who knew about what you were doing in ukraine, did vice president pence know?

>> of course. >> because his office has said he was unaware of -- that he had met with zelensky after not going to the inauguration but he wasn't delivering a message ofd >> look, again, i'm not here to debate. i'm here to get the truth out. i've got my records. >> how do you know that the vice president would have known what giuliani was up to? >> we would speak every day. i would know everything that was going on. after rudy would speak with the president, i was the first person he would brief. we had a relationship. we were together from morning to night. i mean, he took me -- i mean, every interview he would do i would be sitting over there while he was doing the interviews. i mean -- >> so giuliani knew everything you were doing? >> everything. >> you're saying vice president pence knew? >> i don't know if the vice president knew everything. >> he knew about the quid pro quo?

>> of course. everybody who was close to trump knew that this was a thorn in the side and this was a serious situation. >> bolton? >> bolton. >> mulvaney. >> mulvaney. bolton i don't think agreed with it. i think there's certain people that agreed with it, didn't agree with it. >> he called it a drug deal according to phi oe fiona hill. >> i think bolton is a very important witness. we could fill in all of the dots. >> you'd be willing to testify. >> i would be very willing to testify. - do you have a box of video tapes, film reels, or photos,

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did you want yovonovitch removed? >> me personally? >> yeah. >> i didn't have any -- >> did you know her? >> no. >> my opinion came from the crowd i was in. over the time i grew more and more and more and more and more and more that eventually i felt like, yeah, i hated her because, you know, everybody hated her. >> you say the crowd, you mean

ukrainians, giuliani? >> it was primarily our trump crowd. >> giuliani would -- he clearly had a reason for wanting her out. >> well, it all started with her. i think she became -- her biggest mistake was not even -- i don't think she would have been gone if it all started with the sharkin visa. >> the embassy rejected a visa for this former prosecutor to come to the united states. giuliani wanted him to come to the united states and get attention of the alleged crimes of the bidens. >> he was planning on bringing him to barr and bringing him to lindsey graham and bringing him to people here to testify and give testimony about the biden corruption. >> so the american embassy rejected that visa for this prosecutor they thought was corrupt? >> right. it was funny because he applied -- he has a daughter that lives in the states so he applied -- the deal was that he

was going to not even apply to come and see -- >> officially. >> he applied that he was going to come and visit his daughter and we were supposed to pick him up and bring him to d.c. he calls me up and says, i got denied. i went back to rudy and told him -- obviously relayed the message. he told me, don't worry. i relayed the message back, don't worry, i'll take care of it. rudy decided he got pissed off and he went to meet pompeo and they got into it was supposed to happen again. he came back and told me, done. there's text messages obviously you can see. >> right. >> again, it didn't happen. at some point rudy just gave up. >> you think that was probably one of the biggest -- >> that's the biggest thing that put her -- >> that yovonovitch did? >> to my knowledge the president fired her at least four times, maybe five times. once in my presence. >> explain that. you said that he fired her in front of you? >> correct. >> what happened? >> that was the first

interaction about her we had. it was a dinner -- private dinner for super pac in washington, d.c., at the trump hotel. in the conversation the subject of ukraine was brought up and i told the president that our opinion that she is bad mouthing him and that she said that he's going to get impeached, something like that. i don't know if that's word for word. >> you said that at the table. >> correct. >> where the president was? >> correct. and his reaction was he looked at me like he got very angry and basically turned around to john did i stefan know and said, fire her. >> the position you ended up with giuliani, you've been described as a fixer for giuliani in his efforts to dig up dirt on the bidens. >> i don't know what you mean by fixer. >> arrange meetings. >> that's exactly what i did. i was the middleman between two worlds. here i was i had a partner in

igor fruman who grew up in ukraine, because of his businesses he knew all kinds of people that were politicians. >> he had the contacts. >> it was all his contacts. i didn't have any contacts in ukraine. i don't have any contacts in ukraine. >> for a guy with contacts in ukraine you were able to get meetings with a lot of very important people in the ukraine. why is that? >> if the president of the united states tells them to meet with you, you meet with him. >> everybody you met with knew you represented rudy giuliani and by association the president? >> it was more than that. the protocol would be -- i'll give you an example. when i first met ivan bekanof who is one of the close -- >> aides. >> to zelensky. >> head of the intelligence. >> so when we first met he was the first person we met in the zelensky camp. when i met him the first thing i did is i represent rudy

giuliani. i'm going to put him on the phone. i put him on speaker phone. rudy told him that i represent the president of the united states and that everything i say had to be taken with that authority. >> rudy giuliani said on speaker phone to the man who now runs ukrainian intelligence that you represent giuliani and the president? >> absolutely. the president directly. >> that you represent the president? >> correct. and that's why they spoke to me. that's why -- that's why i got out of there alive. >> you can say with 100% certainty that everything rudy giuliani did in ukraine was done with the president's blessing whether or not he had foreknowledge or was told about it afterward but giuliani and the president were in frequent communication. >> beyond frequent. several times a day. and rudy wouldn't do anything without the president just like i wouldn't do anything without rudy's. >> the argument made by republicans during the congressional hearings was not

only that president cares deeply about corruption in ukraine, this wasn't just about a personal benefit for the president but that zelensky himself has come forward and said i didn't feel a quit pro quo. >> that's a total lie. they're still rocked to this day. they're still not recovered. >> this was an existential threat. >> the main reason my life was threatened was because of that. i mean -- >> so why do you think zelensky says, oh, no, there was no pressure. >> they're in an awkward position. i understand them. i'm not here to call them out. >> the awkward position is if zelensky says whatever he actually feels, he's still -- he still needs aid from the trump

administration? >> obviously. listen, my opinion is this, you know? loyalty goes so far but i think there's a lot of people in the republican party that don't agree. they're good people, they don't agree with what he's doing but they're scared. he gets away with everything and i would -- you know, especially with attorney bill barr on his side and the justice department, i mean, a lot of people are scared. they don't want to get investigated. >> people are scared of being investigated by the justice department on behalf of president trump you're saying? >> i think so. >> does that scare you? >> scares me a lot and i pray every day that, you know, that's not the case or god has a way. that's why i was hopeful to get this information out and now i'm ready to deal with whatever it is. if i did something wrong, i'll take my responsibility. like i said, what i was charged with had nothing to do with what

we're discussing right now. i think this is important for national security. i think it's important for the country to find out the truth exactly what happened and one of the things you say, anderson, have you to understand when these congressional -- they're in congressional hearings. i watched them very well. they made all kinds of arguments. there was no proof to back it up. they sit there and say this and that but they didn't bring any evidence. the democrats brought all of this testimony. show me one witness that came out. if you look at it, i should be there best witness. i got all the dirt supposedly. >> why do they need biden? call me. ask me what biden did wrong. >> do you think they're afraid of calling you? >> i think they're very afraid of me. but support the leg! when i started cobra kai, the lack of control over my business made me a little intense. but now i practice a different philosophy.

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did you ever speak directly to president trump about ukraine or any investigations in ukraine? >> we had -- never had one-on-one closed off meetings. our interactions would be at the picture line. so at these events where we did pics because i was not a typical guy they wanted at the white house because i didn't have the background, the pedigree. they kept me -- especially once we fell in the position of recruitment, we weren't even allowed to go to a lot of the events. that's why certain pictures stop at a certain time. they started distancing after the hanukkah party, after the transitional stage. basically we became more of

deployed agents, you know, behind the scene than actual donors. >> let me ask you that. because at the hanukkah party where you were photographed together with rudy giuliani as well, there was a report that there had been a -- kind of a side bar meeting with you and furman, the president and giuliani in which you were essentially tasked by the president or you felt or you had told people you were tasked on some sort of a mission or an assignment. >> i'll tell you exactly what happened. it was a little bit different than the way they reported it. again, i didn't have a chance to say it so i guess somebody said something and by the time the story goes it grew a little bit. i was no 007, that type of a situation. so we went over to the white house. we didn't go through the regular route where everybody else was going, where the other donors or the hanukkah party people. they were going through a secured area.

we went through a private area where we were greeted through by secret service. we were walked through, given a tour of the grounds. then they brought us through a private entrance into the white house. then the secret service came and said the president is waiting for mr. giuliani at his private residence. me and igor waited in the lobby. people started gathering. in the meantime rudy was with the president. at some point they said the president is coming out. the president came out and went through the red room behind to go make a speech to the public. at that time rudy joined us and we -- he came up and was very happy and excited. said i spoke to him, everything is great. you know, very good. and at that point they were having a drink. then they said president trump was waiting for you to wait at

the red room. they escorted all of us to the red room where we waited 10, 12, 15 minutes while he made the speech. the president came in. he was there with first lady melania and vice president pence and the first lady vice president and also jared was there and i think maybe one or two other people that i don't remember at the time. they all came through. you could hear the president screaming through the hallway, where is my rudy? he walked through the hallway, came in. right away, you know, we started having conversation, interaction about five minutes. with the president, you've got to understand, what's what people don't understand. it's not like you are having a conversation. he doesn't sit there and say, i want you to do this, to do this. he does probably with rudy. with people like myself or people that were around, he was like, everything good?

good. it would be like those type of things where it made you feel that rudy would fill in the dots. that we've accomplished -- when he says to others, go talk to rudy, that has a meaning? >> absolutely. >> just to be clear on this, meaning on this encounter, he never said to you, i appreciate what you're doing on this mission, anything. >> no. he thanked us. he said thank you for everything you are doing and basically -- again, there was a lot of people there. wasn't a full blown conversation but rudy filled in the dots afterwards when we -- i mean, we stayed there. plus he left the room for us to use. he walked out the room and we let the people come in there and take pictures. >> his interaction with you particularly at that time, you felt he knew what was going on? >> absolutely. absolutely. >> and that's the way he operates? >> not only that. rudy would tell me he's talking to him. listen, all of my information is out there. i didn't hold anything back. he wanted a man cave in our new home.

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it sounds like -- i mean, you and i were talking right before we started this interview. you talked about in prison having a -- you called it an epiphany. >> yes. >> what was that? >> yeah. first of all, you know, being arrested, i was never arrested in my life and to be arrested the way we were arrested is such a -- you know, like we were fleeing and, you know, being brought in and the way they treated me in jail and the way everything was transpiring, i

started kind of realizing and seeing certain things, especially the first couple of days. i didn't even know what i was doing in there. i had no access to no television, no phones, no -- they just locked me in solitary confinement. one hour a day, you know, i couldn't get out anywhere else. and then eventually i found out through i think another inmate or a guard, making fun of me saying that trump doesn't know me. and i didn't take that too personal at the time because i thought it was for my own safety because there might be people in jail who don't like trump. he's the president. i'm sure he has reasons. it's not anything else. especially two days before that he gave me approval and the

president's forminger attorney -- >> is representing me. >> got permission from jay sekulow -- >> to represent me. i kept quiet. stay quiet, they're going to get me out of here, then i'll find out what's going on. then i started realizing, nobody's trying to get me out of here. not only are they not trying to get me out of here, but in my opinion some of the actions my attorneys, john dowling, kevin dowling. >> you fired them when you were in jail? >> they wouldn't even leave. they would make comments and i spent weeks trying to get them to stop representing us. they made sure -- you know, they tried to be a part of everything that was going on. it was the actions of john dowd and downing and rudy giuliani, victoria. the people that were around me that i considered my family. nobody called my wife and helped

try to say -- i'm not a wealthy individual. i know there's rumors and stuff. >> igor furman had -- >> he was more of the financial back in -- there was no help. i mean, you know, actually the opposite. when my wife called rudy to say that, you know, lev's getting out in the next couple of days, he wants to see you, he said to her that he's not going to see me without an attorney. i said to myself, interesting. why is he scared to see me without an attorney? then i realized because i got rid of john dowd and john and they were scared of how i would react and everything. and then, you know, thank god i was able to hire joe and it took some time, you know? at first i couldn't believe rudy would turn on me. i couldn't believe rudy wouldn't call. i gave some time and i sat there

and i waited and i saw the tweets and i saw the remarks that they would keep saying. nothing about me, nothing about -- you know, look at victoria tunsgen. look how she defends dmitry. >> he's an oligarch. they're trying to extradite him for financial crimes? >> right. yes. >> one of the confusing things on these notes which i'll ask you about shortly, but on this note from -- in which you write in the ritz carlton it says victoria joe retained $100,000 a month with succession it looks like? >> succession. basically the 100,000 a month was the expenses that they were -- to hire and the succession was once they got -- were supposed to get dmitry off

from his extradition case, then they would be hired on as his attorneys for long term. there would be a succession. >> and how does furtish -- i know this is -- without trying to -- i don't want to get too much into the weeds. dmitry furtish, his name comes up, was there a quid pro quo that he was offering? >> he was never offering. he was squared. i'm not going to say he's a good guy/bad guy. not my job -- >> were they giving him a quid pro quo? >> what was the quid pro quo? >> he started to realize all they cared about, the trump world, about biden. he realized that even though he never wanted to help with that, never wanted to get involved in that, but he started feeling that he needed to get -- start helping with that situation because that was what this side wanted. >> so he gave fwhfgs biden from ukrainian officials that he had

contacts with or others, then they would help him out with whom in the united states to get the charges dropped? >> well, that was the -- the reason why he hired victoria and joe was because of their relationship with attorney bill bar. like they said and everything said, nobody could get a meeting that quickly, they would use their access -- the offer at least to furtish, they used their access to bill bar to get help on the charges to him. he gives information to giuliani about the bidens. >> it wasn't directly to giuliani but it was the team. that's exactly what happened. he helped whatever way he could have. >> so this actually happened? >> well, yes. i mean, they got a meeting with bill barr. i was there when joe was on the

phone with attorney general barr to set up the meeting and explain why it was in russian, why was it supporting? bill barr did that to joe -- he was supposed to meet up withita general barr was leaving on vacation on tuesday, this was a friday. they called him to make sure -- to set it up so that they could meet him because they were worried mr. furti sf ch was going to get exported. >> did it work? >> he's not here. >> do you know for a fact -- did bill barr know what giuliani was up to? >> again, when you say giuliani, i'm not friends with bill barr. i didn't associate with him, but just some people say follow the

money, follow the trail. >> that's been the criticism is the president used him as his attorney general not the country's attorney general. >> the president doesn't have too many friends. most people don't understand that. i don't know how he can run the country. he doesn't have too many allies him, people are always undermining him. his loyal group is rudy giuliani, victoria tungsen, i'll forward this. there are certain comments that rudy made. victoria and joe are very instrumental in all the pardons the president does. they help out.

they are involved. they told me several times they got bill barr his job.

who is -- who's robert hyde? >> i think he's irrelevant to this whole thing so i don't want to make more of him than it is. he's an individual that is a character in the trump world. >> he's running for congress

now. >> i heard that. i didn't know that until recently. >> you knew him from where? >> i knew him from the trump hotel. he was always a regular. >> just hanging out at the trump hotel? >> yeah. that was the atmosphere. >> like a scene there? >> it's trump world basically. all the senators, congressmen, lawyers and lobbyists. anybody that's a trumper goes only to the trump hotel. you don't go to any other -- no democrats go there. so it becomes like -- when you're there every day it's like -- you know, it becomes -- when you're with your friends at a party, you become friends. >> like a frat? >> like a frat. exactly, like a college. day one you might see faces but by day 30 if you are all drinking together everybody is buddy buddy. >> in these text messages he is suggesting or he is -- he is presenting it as though he has some sort of security contacts or contractor contacts on the

ground, some contracts on the ground who have the inside scoop, monitoring ambassador yovonovitch. did you believe that was happening? >> i never -- i didn't take him seriously. robert hyde, i don't want to say anything bad about him. he never did anything bad to me. >> after he writes after receiving the articles you sent him, can't believe trump hasn't fired this bitch. i'll get into that. she's in heavy protection outside of kiev. they'll let me know when she's on the move. they are willing to help if we, you would like it. i was laughing at him. >> what he's saying is he could have a violent act against the

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if you could say anything to the president, what would you say? >> he needs to understand he's not a king. he needs to understand that there's a democracy, there's rules. you know, even if you don't like them.

you know, even if you don't agree with them. you know, it's all fun and dandy going to these rallies. standing up and rallying. i was there. i was front stage. i was first one, had the trump straws, but it's scary if he wins another four years, i think. i don't know what would happen. i don't know what will happen to me. i guess i'm enemy number one right now. i pray that i have good counsel and that i'll be protected and we'll fight this. i'm glad the truth is out. i feel good. i feel good that i was able to do my civil duty in front of congress and i'm here to help the senate, congress and hopefully i want to look at gop senators and to let them know that i'm here. not just the republicans, the democrats. you should know the truth. you validate it. you have all of my information.

president trump and vice pre president pence say they don't know him. that's it for this hour. thanks for watching. new details into the strike that took out soleimani from the man who ordered it. u.s. president trump tells republican donors about the last minutes of the iranian general's life. also trump's impeachment lawyers, the president reveals new members to his legal teams a we see new documents about apparent surveillance of the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine. we'll talk about that. and also look at this, a big blast of winter weather, the u.s. is getting hit with snow, ice and sleet and