tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN January 25, 2020 4:00pm-5:00pm PST
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the special coverage of the impeachment trial of donald j. trump. our coverage continues with a special edition of erin burnett out front. thanks very much for joining us. good evening. i'm erin burnett and welcome to a special edition of "out front." tonight team trump on the attack on the first day of their opening arguments. the president's legal team choosing to speak for only two hours. their arguments boil down to a few key points. democrats are trying to steal the upcoming election and there is no evidence trump did anything wrong. their presentation did lack a lot of facts. first we want to get to lauren fox who is out front on capitol hill. lauren, what are you hearing from republican senators today now that trump's defense has started. >> i talked to roy blunt a lead member of leadership just a few
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hours ago. he was very happy with the tone and the tenor from president trump defense team on the senate floor. >> the president did absolutely nothing wrong. >> reporter: they begin their defense trying to shoot holes in the democrats nearly 24 hours long arguments. >> we don't believe that they have come anywhere close to meeting their burden for what they're asking you to do. >> reporter: over two hours, the president's team emphasized the high stakes of the impeachment trial. >> they're asking you not only to overturn the results of the last election, but as i've said before, they're asking you to remove president trump from the ballot in an election that's occurring in approximately nine months. >> reporter: and claiming that democrats were not forthcoming in their case, ignoring some of
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the testimony from the impeachment inquiry. like that of former national security counsel official tim morrison. >> do you believe in your opinion that the president of the united states demanded that president zelensky undertake these investigations. >> no, sir. >> the fact they came here for 24 hours and hid evidence from you is further evidence that they don't really believe in the facts of their case. impeachment shouldn't be a shell game. they should give you the facts. >> reporter: the president's team repeated the republican argument, that the transcript of president trump's infamous july 25th call with ukrainian president zelensky exonerated president trump. >> the president did not link security assistance to any investigations on the july 25 call. there was no discussion of the paused security assistance. >> reporter: just as the house managers tried to use the administration's own words against them, the president's team played a clip of lead
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manager adam schiff paraphrasing the call in september to attack his credibility, blasting him for mischaracterizing that call. >> and in not so many words, this is the essence of what the president communicates. >> that's fake. that's not the real call. >> the president's team elected not to get into as much detail as the house managers did when they opened their case. >> you heard the house managers speak for nearly 24 hours over three days. we don't anticipate using that much time. >> they said the best evidence there was no quid pro qu with ukraine were the words of the ukrainian president himself. >> i think that nobody pushed it. >> they think you can read minds. i think you look at words. >> reporter: the president's counsel jay sekulow brought up the debunked conspiracy theory
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that ukraine may have meddled in the 2016 election. >> mr. schiff told you that russia was acting alone, responsible for the election interference, implying this debunked the idea there might be interference from other countries including ukraine. that is a strawman argument. >> reporter: the impeachment managers pushed back on the idea that they didn't present all the facts, renewing their call to allow witnesses. this follows adam schiff's impassioned plea friday night as he closed out the manager's case. >> president trump ignored the vital national interests to obtain an improper personal political benefit. that has been proved. you'll also hear the defense. the president said there was no quid pro quo. that doesn't hold up in any court in the land. it shouldn't hold up here. >> reporter: the president's defense team will come back on monday to capitol hill where
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they will continue to make their case, erin, on monday, potentially even into tuesday. then senators will have 16 hours to ask questions. there will be more debate over whether lawmakers want to hear from witnesses. the president could be acquitted by the end of the week. >> thank you very much, lauren. out front now, democratic senator jeff merkley, a member of the senate foreign relations committee. i appreciate your time tonight. what was your main take away from the president's defense today as it launched? >> well, the defense launched with these three keywords, burden of proof. and they were absolutely right. that is what the house managers have, the burden of proof. and that's the heart of any trial. but there's three other word that is go with the burden of
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proof and that's witnesses and documents. and every american understands that in a trial of both the prosecution and the defense have access to witness and documents to make their case. but in this situation, the lawyers for the president were saying they have the burden of proof but we are going to block them from access to the witnesses. they have the burden of proof but we're going to block them from access to the documents. so, that's what you would expect in a trial in ush arussia or ch not here in the united states of america. we're pushing for a full and fair trial and clearly the president's lawyers are pushing for, well, a cover up. >> so, one of white house counsel pat cipollone's main arguments today was essentially put all of that aside, that here we are just a few months out from a presidential election with a president who voters selected to be their president and let the voters decide. here's what pat cipollone said.
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>> they're asking you to remove president trump from the ballot in an election that's occurring in approximately nine months. they're here to perpetrate the most massive interference in an election in american history, and we can't allow that to happen. >> your reaction, senator? >> well, clearly, cipollone does not like the u.s. constitution because the countereffect or the check and balance to a president who's out of control is impeachment. it is an impeachment hearing in the house. it is an impeachment trial in the senate. and it is about removing a president. and so if he doesn't like this, maybe he should, i don't know, propose a constitutional amendment and get rid of impeachment. but it is a key check on abuse of power and a key check on solicitation of a foreign government getting involved in an election.
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and because this record has been presented from the house, because of the substantial amount of information we have a responsibility to hold a full and fair trial. a >> i want to play for you a video tape that cnn just obtained from an attorney from associate lev parnas. this is where you hear president trump at a dinner in 2018 talking about getting rid of ukrainian ambassador marie yovanovitch. >> that's why you're having such difficulty. i think if you take over -- the biggest problem i think where we need to start is we've got to get rid of the ambassador. she's still left over from the clinton administration. >> the ambassador from ukraine. >> yeah, and walking around telling everybody wait, he's going to get impeached. >> she'll be gone tomorrow. >> so, now that we have a secretary of state. >> get rid of her. get her out the door. i don't care. get her out the door.
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take her out, okay? >> excellent. >> do it. >> when you hear the president's voice, senator, what do you think? >> well, i can tell you he's making it very clear. she's standing in the way of your operation. and by the way, they were talking about a natural gas operation. she's standing in your way, get rid of her. get her out. do it. that was a year before we were at the point where these same individuals, parnas and his companion, were working with giuliani to get rid of the ambassador because she was posing an obstacle not to a natural gas adventure, but an obstacle to their request to po poroshenko to be able to do investigations of the bidens. they did succeed in arranging that in april of that year, 2019, almost a year ago. and at that same moment, something else happened, a new election that brought in
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anticorruption government in cr ukraine. and they had additional reason to get the u.s. government to help. >> i appreciate your time tonight. thank you very much. >> you're welcome, erin. thank you. next, trump's team arguing today that the president was just concerned about corruption in ukraine, not the bidens. but that argument simply does not add up. plus mitt romney says he will likely vote for witnesses. so, will other republicans follow? and an npr reporter says secretary of state mike pompeo attacked her verbally after being asked about ukraine. >> he asked do you think americans care about ukraine? he used the f word in that sentence and many others. >> tonight pompeo's stunning response. diarrhea? pepto diarrhea to the rescue. it's 3x concentrated liquid formula coats and kills bacteria to relieve diarrhea. the leading competitor only treats symptoms it does nothing to kill the bacteria. treat diarrhea at its source with pepto diarrhea.
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democrats, including key senator doug jones, saying they did just that, pointing to these comments by white house deputy counsel patrick philbin. >> cross examination in our legal system is regarded as the greatest legal engine ever invented for the discovery of truth. it's essential. >> out front now, coed tor and chief of "just security" ryan goodwin, ann millgram, and joe lockhart. ryan, let me start with you, did fi philbin's comments make a case for why there should be witnesses here. >> i think so. it didn't serve his purposes to make that comment, but it puts us to facing the fact not providing for witnesses, president's side is saying there shouldn't be aniens withes and what would witnesses do but under cross-examination get to the truth. if we want to case, let's get
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john bolton, put him under cross examination under truth. >> and in this very eloquent way, this greatest legal engine ever invented for the discovery of truth. >> there are three or four points today where they completely opened the door to witnesses and documents in addition to philbin saying this. they talked about the burden of proof which is the burden is held by the democratic managers. that would mean they can call witnesses. they talked at one point pat cipollone said they should give you the facts. they were cherry picking. if you want the facts, let them call witnesses and let you cross examine them. it is true in a normal trial you call witnesses and both sides ask questions. they did some of this the in the house. that's exactly what they should be doing here. and the republican senate has blocked it. argument after argument today i was listening and i was like i can't believe they literally walked into that. >> and unforced. this is how they chose to make
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their case. >> they were making key arguments. one of them is that the phone call with zelensky and the withholding of u.s. aid to ukraine, this had nothing to do with joe biden. it was all about corruption and it was about sharing the burden with other countries. that's what this is about. mr. purpura made that argument. here he is. >> so, what did president trump and president zelensky discuss in the july 25 call? two issues. burden sharing, corruption. to say that the president of the united states did not -- was not ke concerned about burden sharing, that he was not concerned about corruption in ukraine, the facts from their hearing, the facts from their hearing, establish exactly the opposite. >> the thing is there are these problems. here's what the democratic house managers said about those claims
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thachlt knew this is what they were going to say and hear are the facts. >> during the july 25th call, president trump didn't raise legitimate corruption concerns as it relates to ukraine. president trump did not mention the word corruption once. if the president was fighting corruption, if he wanted europeans to pay more, why would he hide it from us? why wouldn't he be proud to tell the congress of the united states i'm holding up this aid, and i'm holding it up because i'm worried about corruption? why wouldn't he? because of course it wasn't true. >> and they made that point. they showed he had approved aid to ukraine in total almost a billion dollars in aid to ukraine other years, totally fine, until joe biden was in the race. does team trump's defense here hold water? >> well, let me do a defense up there, their defense, which is they had both hands tied behind
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their back because i believe donald trump insisted they start with he did nothing wrong. they had no running room. even in that, those two sound clips, they put facts in dispute. the way you resolve factual disputes is bringing in everyone who knows something about the facts and find out. >> so, we're back to witnesses. >> so, we're back to witnesses. they could have said the transcript says nothing is wrong. we're not arguing the facts here. the transcript is the fact. all you have to do on all their arguments is basically either go back to the transcripts in the house or go on google, on burden sharing. their number one argument, that's what they led with. we find out that in fact germany's done just what the u.s. did. trump went on about merkel and on and on. in his talking points we learned from lieutenant colonel vindman who wrote them, he talked about
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corruption, talked about the progress making on corruption, you but that was an issue to make more on. never came up. as adam schiff said there if this was about corruption and not about his own political interests, they would have put that out. and remember, in the read out of it, they did say they talked about corruption. they lied. >> of course investigation was what was mentioned. this is reality, it didn't come up on the call. and there were other times when they did hold up aid which they mentioned these other times, right? mentioning afghanistan and lebanon. they announced that to congress and told them about it. they were proud about it. in this case they never told congress they weren't releasing the aid congress approved and with had they were told legally they needed to do it the president refused to do it. >> that's right. congress is asking what's going on and they wouldn't tell them. all the departments and agencies within the administration were saying what's going on and they weren't told something. they weren't told it's because of burden sharing and corruption. they didn't have a reason. laura cooper testified not only that but when they restored the
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aid, they weren't told why it was restored. over this short period of time the europeans have come through on burden sharing. nothing changed in that period of time except the discovery of the whistleblower that let everything loose and they restored the aid. >> ann, when it comes to witnesses, the senate majority leader schumer argued the case rejecting concerns there would be a long court battle over subpoenas. here's what schumer said. >> in terms of length of time, i think that's a red herring. when you have a subpoena signed by the chief justice supported by both parties and enshrined in the constitution, i don't think that any court is either going to -- is not going to honor that subpoena. and i think it'll happen very fast. >> is he right? >> yes, he's right. a agree with that completely. and i think that the argument
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will take a long time. it just doesn't hold water. there's a lot of court cases that would support what schumer said today. and the bottom line is it's just a way to distract and get people not wanting to go through a process which is not really going to be a process. it's just a way to cut off having witnesses. >> right. >> but it's important those facts get put out there, there wouldn't be a long drawn out battle. if they want witnessesings, they could have them. hopefully a lot of republicans understand that. mitt romney meanwhile saying he will vote in favor of witnesses. the big question though is will other republicans join him. secretary of state mike pompeo doubling down after being accused of cursing out an npr host who questioned him about ukraine. breathe freely fast, with vicks sinex. my congestion's gone.
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very well vote for witnesses at the impeachment trial, telling reporters today after the president's team presented the the beginning of their case, quote, i think it's very likely that i'll be in favor of witnesses. but i haven't made a decision final yet and i won't until the testimony is completed. joining me now republican senator james lankford who was on the homeland security committee. i appreciate your time. thank you very much. have you spoken to senator romney at all about his thoughts on witnesses? >> i haven't recently spoken to him, but everybody has their own perspective they're trying to work through the process. all of us are taking notes and trying to figure out what questions are not answered. >> when mitt romney says it's likely he'll be in favor of witnesses, do you share that sentiment? >> i think it's a great idea to ask mitt romney about that. there is a question of this should go on for a while. we should take on things the house did not take. i think the first thing we have to answer is what the house sent
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us. the house did their investigation about 78 days total. they gathered their information their evidence their witnesses, they're seine sending them to us. they could have gone much longer. it's the shortest impeachment in history. they could have gone much longer, gathered more information, sent it over. we've got to respond to what is in front of us right now not say we don't see anything here but let's look for more. that's not the senate role. that's the house role. >> some of the things we have heard of course that have come to you from the house, testimony, the all american people saw. when it comes to what the president did and who he asked to do what include mr. holmes and mr. heal. >> i heard president trump he's going to do the investigation. >> through the acting chief of staff. >> he's referring there of course to the hold on aid. do you want to hear from the
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chief of staff so you know once and for all what the president of the united states asked mic mu mulvaney to do? >> i don't need to hear every conversation the president has with the chief of staff. we have two separate branches. that's an an issue argued for a long time. there are some conversations that are fine to do through an impeachment process and ask. there are others that are not. the house is asking us to not allow the president to be able to go to court, skip that whole process, and for the first time ever say to the executive branch you don't have the right to go to court what has been true of every other branch. i do not agree with that. the house said we're going to skip the courts early on. if anyone wants to go to court, they said no just drop it. >> and you're talking about subpoenas. of course legal experts say it would be easy for you to get subpoenas and have them honored, there would be no delay and you could hear what these people have to say. you would be able to cross
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examine them and do everything you could in a court. >> you bet. that's what legal experts say. there's a whole other same group of experts that would say this takes two months to go through court, the same process the house of representatives should go through. the politic of this is different than the facts of this. the first thing is the facts the house has in front of us. let's answer those questions. the politics of what the house did is go as fast as they could and then tell the senate to go as slow as possible. that's why they drug it out for a month before they sent it over. they're saying go to court and resolve it or take away executive privilege from this president and every president in the future forever. i don't think that's something you flippantly describe. >> i want to play for you one of the key arguments from the president's lawyers today. they had several. they were trying to say the president was worried about corruption. another one was that there was
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no pressure and here's the argument that was made today. >> they tell you that the ukrainians must have felt pressure. regardless of what they've said, president zelensky said he felt no pressure. the house managers tell you they know better. >> that's what the house managers showed on the specific issue. >> here is ambassador yovanovitch's testimony explaining just how important the united states is to ukraine. >> the u.s. relationship for ukraine is the single most important relationship. and so i think that president zelensky, any president, would, you know, do what they could to lean in on a favor request. >> as you and i both know, senator, the united states provides an incredible amount of aid to ukraine, especially on the military fund.
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the estimate is 90% of the foreign military aid that goes to ukraine comes from the united states. >> right. >> don't the numbers show that the ukrainian president would care a lot about what the president of the united states wanted him to do. >> sure he would. but you're assuming a lot of things that the white house counsel blew out of the water today on the facts on that. the first thing he started with is the house managers began with the assumption that not only did president trump lie but president zelensky is also lying. neither of them are telling the truth -- >> why would president zelensky come out and say i felt pressure. i'm a weak loser of a guy. i felt pressure. do you think he would come out and say that? >> sure. again you're back to the same thing the house managers are. don't take what he said. take what he meant. >> i'm taking the facts. if you get 90% of your income comes from a person you're going to come out and tell the world, you're just going to say no big teal? no. the numbers show that these are lies. >> actually the defense number
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is actually 10%. 90% comes from other sources. the challenge is now you're into the point of trying to read someone's mind. you've got to look at the facts around it. >> just to be clear. my understanding is 90% of ukraine's foreign military aid comes from the united states of america. that is the statistic i quoted. >> yeah. 10% number i was quoting is military budget. that is part of president trump's frustration when he said the european union should help. the house manager said the president wasn't concerned about the aid from other countries when that was the first thing in the call that got pointed out today as well. but what the white house did today is finish the rest of the story. if you go back to a paul harvey comment from years ago, the house managers brought up a lot of different comments but didn't read the sentence around it. this whole thing, zelensky was really trying to get a white house meeting except in the
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phone call transcript itself, president zelensky said if we can't meet at the white house, why don't we meet in poland september 1st. the president said let's do that and they set up that meeting. it wasn't about a white house meeting that's hanging over him. >> of course that meeting did not happen and a white house -- >> well, that meeting happened with the vice president. >> it's a very, very different things in terms of in power and prestige. >> sure, sure it is. absolutely sure it is. but zelensky is the one who raised the question about let's raise in poland. the reason the roland didn't happen was because we had a hurricane come through. they set up the next available time for the next bilateral meeting, september 25th. it wasn't they were blocking a meeting the whole time. that meeting was in process of being set up months before and you had to work out the security and details and everything else. that was already in process. as far as the aid coming to them, it was clear today that the ukrainians didn't know about the aid not coming to them until
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the end of august. what, again, the house managers have left out is if you go back to 2018, the aid was not delivered until the 28th of september. this year it was the 30th of september. if you go back the year before that, it was a similar time period. this is not atypical -- >> on the issue of what they knew, we also know of emails and calls that were the afternoon of that phone call from ukrainians saying what's up with the aid, another aid. another foreign defense official saying she knew in july. so, there are questions on those when they knew, right? so, i guess my question so now, senator is why not have more witnesses so you know? so it isn't me giving you facts that are facts and you giving a fact of what someone else said. let's get more witnesses. what's the problem with that? >> we're asking that same question of the house, why they rushed through this process, why they didn't do their background, why they didn't do their work. all this could be done in the house. >> but now the buck stops with
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you. >> it does. it absolutely does and we have to answer the question the house sent us. the house is not sending us saying do a mueller investigation, two years worth of work to cram this in. this is an impeachment process ft it's a constitutional issue. it has constitutional long term ramifications, whether it's clinton, johnson, trump. this is a different issue. you're asking for a special counsel report, just open it up, look all the time, spend the rest of the year investigating that. that's not what an impeachment is supposed to be. >> i appreciate your time. >> sure. >> thank you very much. >> you bet. next secretary pompeo accused of berating a reporter. here's how he described it. >> he asked do you think americans care about ukraines. he used the f word in that sentence and many others. >> her npr colleague is out front next. plus adam schiff is now a house hold name. who is adam schiff and how did his past prepare him for the most important days of his career?
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secretary of state mike pompeo attacking npr reporter calling her a liar. let me play you the exchange that sparked it. >> do you owe marie yovanovitch an apology. >> i came on your show to talk about iran. i don't have anything else to talk about that this morning. >> so, that was the exchange. then the interview ended. kelly then told everyone what happened. she explained on npr that a state department aid asked kelly to come with her. this is how kelly described it. >> she did not say we were off the record nor would i have agreed. i was taken to the secretary's private living room where he was waiting and where he shouted at me for about the same amount of time as the interview itself had lasted. he was not happy to have been questioned about ukraines.
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he asked do you think americans care about ukraine. he used the f word in that seine instantaneous and many others. he asked if i could find ukraine on a map. i said yes. he called for his aides to bring a map of the world with no writing. i pointed to ukraine. he put the map away. he said people will hear about this. >> and so they are. pompeo responded to kelly telling the story with the following statement, saying in part npr mary louise kelly lied to me. this is another example of how unhinged the media has become in its quest to hurt president trump and his administration. out front now, cnn national security analyst and senior add vie tor to the administrator in the obama administration. david, look, there's this exchange. he doesn't like that she's
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asking about ukraine. what's your reaction to his statement and the way he treated kelly. >> let me say one thing first. i don't speak for the institution of npr. that said, looking at this closely, the ec is tear provides no evidence for the claim that mary louise kelly, an exceptionally experienced journalist, she's the host of "all things considered," someone really experienced. the idea she's lied, he provides no evidence for that. i've seen the emails back and forth. she indeed says i intend to spend a good amount of time on iran but i want to talk about ukraine too. she asked 11 questions about iran which is the subject the secretary wanted to talk about. that was serious meat there on that interview. but she followed through and asked about ukraine too because it's the issue of the moment. there's the impeachment trial happening in the senate. >> so, his claim that she wasn't going to ask him about that and didn't tell him, that's false.
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if he's going to be angry, he should be angry to his team for not saying anything. >> he may not have been wanted to be asked about ukraine. >> that's clear he didn't want to, but that's not her problem. she's not lying. she's not lying. i'm going to come out and say it. that's an absurd thing to say. what do you make of the map, sam, that he had a blank map ready to put in her face? >> well, it brings back memories of the "where in the world is carmen san diego" in the 1980s. who has a blank map laying around? what relevance does that have on the secretary of state refusing to answer a question. i know we're focused ton map. but the secretary of state was using this to embarrass a reporter who's question he didn't want to answer. he has a history of doing this. listen to his tone during interviews with margaret brennan. look at his comments to reporters, who he accuses of
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working for the dnc because they ask about a key issue. he is rainbows and unicorns about questions he wants to answer and attack mode when he doesn't want to answer questions. this is castrating the ability of the state department to do what used to be a core focus which is advancing freedom of the press abroad. they don't have a leg to stand on based upon the secretary's behavior. >> he goes straight to saying she's a liar. i really find it stunning that this would be what the secretary of state of the united states says when the record exists that it's not the case and it's just not what she would ever do. >> so, two things that strike me about that as somebody who's covered the trump administration's relationship with the press, it's very trumpian in tone. the other is he's taken issue with none of the facts she presented. at no point -- other than saying
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she's a liar, he doesn't argue with the representation off tape. i talked to one of my colleagues in the room as well. she said too she had nothing from the aides saying come back without recorders. she said don't come with colleagues. don't come with a recorder. there was no question about off the record. i want to say one other thing. to mary louise kelly, that was on the record. it's the only reason she was there to talk to him. however had it be off the record which it wasn't, had it be off the record, off the record is not a cheeld to allow a public official to go on a profane rant or tirade against a reporter doing her or his duty. off the report is supposically you're having conversation to convey things that are complicated to do on the record. that is an agreement. that is not a dictate. so, a senior official to assume somebody's going to differential and protect you from the block back from an obscene tirade -- >> he loses his temper.
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>> he's been polluting the state department with his partisanship and pet lens for some time. he does not want to interact with members of the press. >> why is he giving these interviews? >> because he views the press as surrogates, as platforms for getting his talking points out. that's not the duty of the press. the duty of the press is to ask questions. so, pompeo again is entirely composed when engaging with members of the media with whom he agrees and then when somebody asks a tough question which by the way he should have an answer to at this point, he turns into attack mode. >> it's interesting what happened at kansas recently when he was asked question what he thought friendly interviews, ukraine came up and i didn't want to talk about it. same thing. yet david it seems it has not sunk into him that these are the questions he's going to get. thank you both very much. next adam schiff has been a lightning rod since the start of the impeachment. how did his past prepare him for what has been the brightest
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. tonight schiff in the spotlight. the chairman of the house intelligence committee has seen his profile rise in the ukraine investigation. jason carroll is out front. >> has anybody questioned whether the president is capable of what he's charged with? >> it's often been said when it comes to politics, much of it is about the performance. house intelligence committee chairman adam schiff showed why it is also about substance. >> if right doesn't matter,
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we're lost. if the truth doesn't matter, we're lost. >> reporter: democrats calling his closing argument for removing president trump from office a speech for the history books. >> you can't trust this president to do what's right for this one. -- for this country. you can trust he will do what's right for donald trump. he'll do it now. he's done it before. he'll do it for the next several months. he'll do it in the election if he's allowed to. this is why if you find him guilty, you must find that he should be removed. because right matters. because right matters. and the truth matters. otherwise we are lost. >> reporter: soon after delivering those remarks, the
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hashtag #rightmatters trending on twitter. nancy pelosi had named schiff to lead the team of seven house impeachment managers prosecuting tru trump's trial. >> you will learn of evidence to impeach president trump even as the president and his agents have persisted in their efforts to cover up their wrongdoing from congress and the public. >> reporter: schiff spoke for much of the trial and got to the heart of their case by evoking one of the founders, alexander hamilton. >> the leader might come to power not the carry out the will of the people he was elected to represent, but to pursue his own interests. >> reporter: while republicans criticize schiff saying he was wrong when he said last night their heads would be on pikes if they broke with the president, one of the president's staunchest supporters, lindsey graham, congratulated schiff earlier in the week for his presentation. those who know schiff not
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surprised he rose to the occasion given his background. the father of two is a former assistant u.s. attorney from california, noted for his prosecution of an fbi agent who sold secrets to the soviet union. >> well, it does feel at times like my life has come full circle. >> reporter: while schiff clearly left his mark as impeachment manager despite sft accolades, the real question remains, was he or anyone else able to change any minds? erin. >> jason, that is the crucial question. we will know the answer to in the coming days and we'll be right back.
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our coverage of the kbeeft trial of president trump continues now with anderson. good evening tend of a working saturday in the impeachment trial of president trump. we'll hear what one vo-teadvoca will tell the senate. two hours from tastart to finis this morning. lawyers leading the charge arguing that democrats have failed to meet the burden of proof for removing a president from office. he accused the house managers of trying to overturn the last election and derail the next. >> they're asking you
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