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to be in the position he's in into this first primary in new hampshire. where does he go after this blow to electability. some is obviously depending on new hampshire. we'll talk about it. where does the country go. the bigger question tonight, the president of the united states was charged, he has been acquitted. now, what is the impact on him and on the election? one senator in his party voted to keep him in check. how will that senator romney be remembered? how will all of them be remembered? what do you say, let's get after it. breaking news once again on our midnight watch. almost all the iowa results are in. we're here in new hampshire. you'll hear people break down the town hall. don't worry about it. it's taken two days but 4% left to go. we can report returns from 96%
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of the precincts. of the rankings haven't changed. buttigieg is in the lead in the most important metric. which remember is just like the general election. electoral college parties. delegates matter. not the popular vote. you'll hear this, sde. state delegates. sanders, right behind him. the lead is tightening. it's been just about like this since we started measuring. worth noting sanders still does maintain this big lead in the popular vote. it matters but it's not victory. the delegates are. much of the story of who is on top is who is not. mainly joe biden. fourth place by a lot. he was doubled by sanders. here is what the former vice president said about the result there. and what it means going forward in our town hall not so long ago. >> i think what happened -- look
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there are total of 44 delegates come out of that. and it looks like it will break down between seven and 15. i expected to do better and i expected our organization would perform better. but the fact is i'm happy to be here in new hampshire. >> well, he should be expecting to have a lot of people talk about what needs to happen here and in nevada and south carolina. otherwise they're going to be a lot of negative expectations in coming his way. something else to tease into the show, i believe and i will argue to you the former vice president had his best moment of the entire campaign to this point in the cnn town hall tonight. what was it? we'll get to it. let's bring in the big guns. news on our watch. 96% in. seems to stand the way we saw it. which means it will be difficult for the picture to change. what made me most surprised is
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how we will learn about the remaining 4%. in this age of technology and the app and all of this, how will we find out the rest of the vote? >> some of the precincts that haven't reported will mail in through the snail mail. their final vote count. the iowa democratic party is doing this paper verification process. that's how they're ensuring the accuracy and reliability of the numbers. we will get another data dump before we get to the final one. it may take another day or two. because in the very small precincts that are still out standing the party has to chase those, get them sent to them and do the paper verification. as you noted that.7% margin over sanders in the delegates. i think sanders would need to significantly out perform what he's at right now in order to over take buttigieg in the
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delegates. but there's still some vote out there. >> buttigieg had the media nipping at his heels about saying he was victorious. he was right to say it. he got denied the bump he should have gotten for winning iowa. he was right. >> talking to the buttigieg campaign on the night of the caucus, they kept telling me here's what we know based on what we have been collecting. from their precinct captains. they had about 75% of the precincts knowable in their world. that's why they felt so confident about the numbers. and the sand es campaign on the other hand everybody was trying to put out in yonumbers. sanders had a low certainty about in younumbers. that was the reason for the confidence. democrats were criticizing for coming out and doing that on the
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night. >> the audacity of hope. now they need to shut up. he wound up doing the best in iowa as far as we know. >> by a hair. but even sanders should know about. he came extremely close four years ago against clinton. deja vu for him. he understands even winning by hair the only thing that matters is winning. that's where the buttigieg cap pain is sfwl that's why sanders fought so hard to have the democratic party release the popular vote. it does give him a talking point. he's 1,500 voepts ahead of buttigieg in the popular vote. because of the experience in 2016 that he fought for that change. i will note buttigieg on the call with supporters said this could get even tighter than now. >> all i'm saying buttigieg took a chance. fortune favors the bold. i think we'll be victorious. it will be that way now no
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matter how it shakes out. what other results come out? sanders is at the top of the ticket. you have to say that. coming ento new hampshire he has the best chance of winning here and there's no funny system. there's no funny caucus system. where how you play the game matters. there's a will the of talk from campaigns like warren and biden. that they got out worked on the ground by the buttigieg kevin mcaleenan campaign. that can't happen in new hampshire. >> you are right that sanders is best positioned here six days out. we see things change in six days before new hampshire primary all the time. it is a dynamic moment in the campaign. i take your point that because of the delayed results out of iowa and the president's impeachment trial in the senate. it's a different kind of news environment than normally the focus on iowa to new hampshire.
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i'm curious to see if that dampens the volatility we see. sanders is well positioned here. what we don't know yet, does buttigieg get any kind of bump out of iowa. we'll be on the lookout for that. >> the campaign said in terms of fund raising they had one of the best days if not the best on the day that the first set of data started to come in. validating his claim of winning the caucus. maybe the bump might be a little bit delayed or dampened. i do think new hampshire voters are going to be looking to see what happened in iowa. they are paying attention. these are high information voters in this state. so they're paying attention to who looks strong and like they can win. and right now it's buttigieg and sanders. sanders has the advantage here because he's well known in the state. as a neighboring senator. >> from vermont. if he wins, nothing goes crazy.
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if that's what happens, now you talk about what is the rest of the line up? sanders is on top. let's say hypothetically. the reason it's okay to speculate is the real race isn't about him it's about who is second and third and fourth in new hampshire. it will shape the race. just as we're speaking we're getting more new information. what is it? what have we learned? 97% in. here are the numbers on the screen. it has contracted even more. statistic cal dead heat at the top. not for warren or biden. they remain back. implications for both of them. one of the things that happens when you get results. it's not just how you did, it's how it changes the talk in the media. you're hearing buttigieg, buttigieg, sanders, sanders.
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boot edge edge. but you're hearing about biden mostly in the negative. elizabeth warren much less. so now, we come into new hampshire. whatever happens in iowa happens. if bernie edges him out and buttigieg goes in a second he's a surprise finish. there's victory in that. what has to happen here in terms of second and third in order to come out of new hampshire with something other than a black eye. >> the vice president said he took a gut punch. in iowa. he's got to reverse that fortune. the position he's in is a defensive one out of iowa and he need to move to offensive position. show he can take the gut punch and convince voters to still be with him. >> can he? >> we'll see. how am i going to predict.
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>> how's he looking in new hampshire? >> a state that can work for him. it's not an overly diverse state where he's strongest in places like nevada and south carolina. and coming up through the south on super-tuesday. they think that is a real strong suit. but as you noted this is not the caucus system. this is a primary. this is a place where independents can come over and participate. it may not be the strongest electorate that a biden operation would want for after iowa. it is a place that he has been competitive in the preelection polling. >> he doesn't have to win. but what if he finishes fourth. >> a fourth finish for a second time is not an improvement. he's in fourth in iowa. he has to show fight. one advantage of biden's position out of iowa is he gets to play the come back kid. when he came out fighting today against buttigieg and sanders,
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there was spunk in him. you could see excitement that kind of grit they like to see in biden. hiveliness was there give. -- liveliness. not about how he finishes in new hampshire but how had shows he can fight. maces he's on firmer ground his supporters are not demoralized by the process that has been. this is a risk for him. several bad losses for biden is a bad narrative. he cannot risk losing that foundation of support he has in non-white voters in nevada and south carolina. >> inside secret. the first thing you'll hear if there's trouble, about fights within the campaign. blames of people within the campaign team. listen for that first. you won't hear bad things about the candidate. it will be the people around him and who's in leadership and who isn't. people will be swapped out. the next phase is money.
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the third phase is people fall out of the race. let's take a break. two other implications to discuss. what is new hampshire mean for elizabeth warren? she was part of the town hall tonight with me. what does she have to do here in new hampshire? what's the state of play for her. what i have been teasing. i think joe biden had his best moment of the campaign in his lowest moment of the campaign. he connected with people here tonight on a very interesting level. we'll play it for you. ur mothere all her life that i should fix it. and now it reminds me of her. i'm just glad i never fixed it. listen, you don't need to go anywhere dad. meet christine, she's going to help you around the house. the best home to be in is your own. from personal care and memory care, to help around the house, home instead offers personalized in-home services for your loved ones. home instead senior care. to us, it's personal. home instead senior care. the united i liexplorer card. makes things easy.
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popular vote. he'll split it on the delegates side with buttigieg. for the may your out of the south bend this is a huge event in his campaign that will be a catalyst. i have david and abby with me. joined with hilary rosen. we were talking what this means to us. let's get a take from you two. into the hunt here. the returns in iowa if they stay the way we see them now what does it mean for the state of play? >> the key take away for me is that the democrats who are voting want something new. i know a lot of people are talking about whether this progressive vs. moderate. what i'm seeing is the candidates in the top three and certainly the top two are all inspiring in a way they're saying we'll do something that's different than what the good old boys used to do. we're not playing the same in washington. we want to in some way change the system or we'll offer fresh blood and fresh energy.
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that's the resounding theme and what the primary is going to come down to. do we want to continue business as usual with the same characters in washington or try something different. that is what i'm seeing play out. that will continue to be the theme of the over all primary. >> that's why we saw joe biden today. his staffers saying they saw spunk in him out of iowa. they put out a tweet. i don't know he wrote it or not. the idea of him saying to buttigieg he says i'm part of the old guard and responded to what you're saying. that is a point. hilary, you said something to me. i don't remember what night. my head is sponge cake. it stuck with me. i was pushing you about bloomberg and what does it mean about bloomberg and he's moving up. what happens super-tuesday and it's all muddled like this. you said democrats have never had to go to someone who is not really a democrat to draw republicans to beat a republican.
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you still feel that way? >> i think bloomberg is a democrat. but what -- >> he is now. >> it wasn't who was running, it was who was voting. i said democrats don't need republicans to win the presidency. and that's the key point. we don't need a candidate that appeals to republicans. to win the presidency. we actually have enough democrats and independents across the country win if you look at states we lost in michigan, pennsylvania and wisconsin. democrats didn't vote. i think the great race is that the number one focus for voters as we saw in iowa, every place i went this is what i heard, has been i want to be donald trump. i want to beat donald trump. as they make the calculation there's no doubt you cannot win without vision and hope.
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people need to feel that vision and hope even with the candidate they feel settles in the most comfortably. to beat donald trump. that is joe biden's biggest challenge here. he can't just be about beating donald trump. he has to think about what is it about sanders and pete buttigieg that are actually giving voters a level of enthusiasm. that i need to think about. >> energy. the energy. that's very interesting. what hilary is saying cuts against what buttigieg is argument is large out of iowa. the pivot counties where there are a will the of people voted for trump. i can get them. that's an avaktittractive point. we need democrats the democrats need the democrats to come out. >> are those people from the pivot counties democrats? or were they republicans all along. these are people who voted for president obama.
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sometimes twice. in 2008 and 2012, and 2016 they moved over and voted for trump. so, were they democrats? or were they voting for the first black president twice? because it felt good. but they are republican. the buttigieg campaign ploobeli these are not republicans we're bringing into the party necessarily. these are people who were part of the party for eight years. then there's others who argue maybe they're not. the people we need are who stuck with us time and time again. who came out in 2018 and powered democrats to victory. >> to her point about needing joe biden needing something more than electability. this was the danger, the big danger. if you make just electability -- he started advertising in iowa in the summer ads included
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graphics of poll numbers of general election match ups for an election 15 months away. this was a message of electability. when that gets pierced as it did by coming in fourth, that becomes a problem which is why at the end in iowa. i'm curious to see if he brings it around in the closing sale. he included that character message again. about trying to -- this was the piece he was trying to use for inspiration for democrats. which was you have to think about the character of the person who sits in the oval office. he launched that ad and their goal didn't work all that well in iowa. to try and layer that into in addition to the i'm best position to win. >> it is important to remember -- >> i want to play you sound. go ahead. >> new hampshire and iowa were never joe biden states. we added nevada and south carolina in 2008 for a reason.
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i think what is instructive is where who new hampshire counts out and does this race start to win from other people like elizabeth warren is probably more in jeopardy in new hampshire than biden is. >> that's right. all the big brains say iowa may not pick your winner. it picks losers. that's something you have to add into the calculus. it was strategic for joe biden to say we're not looking at iowa. i told coaches three point shooting it not my thing. i stunk at it. when we come back i want to get to the moment about joe biden. and we have to talk about what happened just think about this. this election is looming so large that we still haven't spoken about the acquittal of the president of the united states. in an impeachment trial. one key point, he was acquitted. they're saying he was exonerated. one of those is true.
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the president of the united states was acquitted today. that's the equal of being found not guilty on both charges in his impeachment trial. there was one gop senator, mitt romney, who voted guilty on the first article of impeachment. abuse of power. not on obstruction of congress. those two things are not
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necessarily contradictory. what is is breaking with the strongest grip on a party that i have ever seen in a president. my perspective is limited. the man who has ultimate perspective is legendary anchor at abc news, sam donaldson. my mentor. good to see you. >> how are you, my son? >> better than i deserve. >> you have a right to be tired. i can hear you. >> all right. tell me, how do you see the events of today in terps of how they'll be remembered? >> the fat lady has not sung. it's not over. he was acquitted and that's fun. the very things people said they didn't like about him are still there. he's not a likable man. i'm not borrowing a line. i'm saying he's not someone that
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you admire. you may fear him. republican senators clearly fear him. up for reelection. you may want him to do the things he says he'll do. build a wall. throw them out. reign terror on north korea. and all of those things. but you don't really say this is my guy. i like this man. and he has that against him. and as far as mitt romney goes, he walked out today and into the pages of history. the next book you haed that has the title profile in courage. the first chapter is mitt romney. he gained more that he says he feels about himself and about doing the right thing and he was never president, but you have heard the expression, better be right than president. he gets a star. as far as trump is concerned it's not over. he knows it. you saw the speech last night.
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there he was campaigning hard. effectively to some extent. certainly for the base. the ra ra crowd. i hadn't seen that in the chamber since joe wilson a congressman from texas. some years ago when obama was giving a state of the union speech yelled ot, you lie! that compared to the other night was child's play. >> i'll tell you what, when he screamed out nobody removed him. when the father of kids shot at parkland spoke out when the president was saying something about the second amendment. they pulled him out. which was not a great exercise chl the president tweeted that had failed presidential candidate romney devoted the energy and anger to defeating obama as he does to many e he could have won the election.
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read the transcripts. let's deal with the last part. enough people learned about the transcripts within his own party that even though they voted to acquit, they say what he did was inappropriate or wrong. or what he did was impeachable and multiple gop senators say i wouldn't have done what he did. and that's why you cannot say he was exonerated. exoneration in the in law is we found you were innocent. you shouldn't have been charged you didn't do it. he did do it. he wasn't punished by his own. >> a jury in a criminal trial in the court of law and come back with the jury room and the judge says what's the verdict. we think he's a bad man. but i don't know. someone else says i don't think it rises to being able to say he's guilty.
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that's ridiculous. senators had the obligation to look at all of the evidence, look at the conscience. romney said pray to god and make a decision. and many of them didn't do that. you know that. it's not a question of that. to say well, he said something inappropriate. all it was was of course seek the help of a foreign power in his reelection campaign to dig up dirt on a an opponent. if that isn't an offense in the democracy and system of government which requires free and open elections by u.s. citizens who sl the right to vote and put their hands on the mechanism of the election. i don't know what is. these senators didn't. and they'll have to live with that and history will judge them harshly i think. >> let's talk about why you think that. gien the numbers for the
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president has him at the highest numbers. polls are snapshots of a suggestion of the moment. he's getting close to being 5050. with a strong economy and no imminent threat abroad. his numbers therefore look good in terms of getting reelected. why do we believe they'll be judged harshly when the polls are up? >> what we know about the american people. i'm not a great expert. i proved that in 2016. i didn't think he was going to be elected president. forget my instinct. lincoln once said a will the of thips that are sensible. the american people eventually do the right thing. eventually. in this case the momentary polls come and go. he was down and now he's high. what happens if the stock market bubble bursts? it will. i can't tell you when our i'd be rich. it will.
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you know that. what if it bursts well before the election day. some economists say we have five indications already of a recession. right on the horizon. others disagree. these things will change. and i believe the person people the base will never depart from him. he's giving them what they want. the poke in the eye of elites. i was born in the depression or a farm. we barely had something to eat. the point is i think the american people will not reelect him. i could be wrong. you talk about someone a moment ago, emerging strong in the democratic party. and that is bloomberg. he's got the money and money counts in an election. he's on one side. and the fat cats supporting the president through citizens united on the other side.
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bloomberg is supporting himself. he's got the kind of record as mayor of new york. some controversies there of course. who doesn't? he's a steady guy with a record performance and if you want to ask me who's going to take on donald trump if he gets the nomination. i don't know he will. i think it will be bloomberg. the fact iowa muddled it. it gives him opportunity. >> so let do this, we'll know better in a couple weeks and i'll come back to you. and maybe he'll be out there by nevada and we'll sit down and talk about the state of the race and what it will mean for journalism. this is the most empowered president that we have seen as journalists. and now his party is said it's okay to do whatever he wants, you know people like us have a huge target on our backs. so, i want to talk about that in the state of the race.
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thank you as always for being a very trusted voice. be well. >> see you, chris. all right. mitt romney a hero to some on the left. president son saying he should be kicked out of the republican conference. everyone can agree we have never heard a senator tear into the leader of his own party like he just did. what does it mean? next. is cc+ cream. it gives you your skin but better. it's your full coverage foundation, spf 50 plus anti aging serum. discover the #1 cc cream in america.
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last night at the state of the union the president reminded us to remember our vir churs. brought in an airmen. families struggling. kids trying to overcome. the collectivity of the compassion. that makes america greatest. you remember the moments they resonated. what was the question? the question was who will he be tomorrow? he's the same man who attacked the one is that right in his party that said what so many of them believe. and decided to vote his conscience over fear of consequence. that senator was mitt romney. listen to this. >> i knew from the out set that being tasked with judging the
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president the leader of my own party would be the most difficult decision i have ever faced. i was not wrong. i will tell my children and their children that i did my duty to the best of my ability. believing my country expected it of me. i will only be one name among many. no more no less. the future generations of americans who lock at the record of the trial, they will note that i was among the is that rights who determined that what the prosecuesident did was wron. >> all right. so he acted on his conscience. as i have argued many times most politicians act out of the fear of consequence more than good conscience. you saw that with the this party. it's hard to square voting to not have witnesses with thinking the president did something impeachable. and you heard that from at least one senator in florida. rubio. he said it to you. we have had many others say it
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to us but not on the record. for all the talk that maybe one or two democrats would vote to acquit. none did. several republicans have said this president did things that are wrong. one voted that way. it is the first time a senator has gone against a president of their own party. what does it mean? laura coates and paul and scott jennings join us. i lean on you for legal advice often. people saying he was exonerated. he was acquitted. is it a distinction with a difference? >> well, it is if you consider what the trial was. judging it be a trial about normally a trial involving witnesses and documents and involving a journey that takes place saying we're going to have the evidence first and verdict next. you can't qualify it as a true trial that he actually was in. therefore even acquittal doesn't
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feel right. exoneration, no. you had many senators coming forward saying they believe what he did was wrong. it wasn't whether he did what the house managers said. it was what they were going to do about it. it's not a true exoneration of his actual conduct. >> exoneration is innocence. here we have anything but. brother jennings i skip over and come to you. we are disagreements about whether it would be bipartisan. if democrats had voted to acquit. it's not bipartisan. this is a partisan with a couple cast offs. which you see from at the same time. more republican senators say this president did something wrong that you have any democrat coming even close. what does that say about what the party did? >> well, i'm not surprised that several senators express some level of dismay. with what trump did. you had some that didn't care at all and some that had serious
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concern. i believe that was going to be the case all along. i'll admit i was surprised that romney voted to convict today. and i really thought a democrat or two might come our way. back home we said you can wish in one hand and mitt in the other and see what fills up faster. if you're donald trump the net result of this since it's a political process is what are the political situation i'm in now. he's got the highest approval ra ratings of his presidency. democrats in disarray. he's mad about romney but the net result doesn't look that bad. >> even though he got the acquittal it took less than one day to show he's not who he was in the state of union. trash talking romney. back and forth as his political favor has. tonight you saw who he is. attacks anyone who is an
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opponent. calls them an enemy. that's not who he was last night. >> no, no. what he was and always will be is a crook. he's crooked a criminal. the day after robert mueller testified the day after, he got on the phone and was shaking down the president of the ukraine. tomorrow is the day after the vote in the senate. what do you think he'll do? try to heal the country? not a chance. he knows -- the scripture talks about being convicted by conscience. he has none. republican senators do. they love their country they're good people. so cowed by trump you can hear them moo. it's disgraceful. romney was governor of massachusetts, now he's united states senator. the party nominee for the presidency. those eight minutes today on the senate floor that's what history will remember him for. one person with courage makes a majority. that was a remarkable moment.
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manchin of west virginia trump carried his state by 43 points. he's a criminal he has tho go. doug jones took on the clu clux clan. he voted to convict. if you look at john tester from montana. 20 point victory for trump in the state. he didn't flinch. i'm proud of the democrats they showed courage and conviction. romney is the only republican i can say that about today. >> give me a quick feel for something. when you would be prosecuting cases and you were arguing that it had to go a certain way because of continuing threat. democrats argued that. what is the argument the senators voted to acquit about what comes next with the president? >> the idea of a continuing threat is one that's loomed large ore the entire process. frankly from the 2016 election on when we confirmed there was
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the attempt at russian interference into the election and to this day we don't have all the tools if you're a member of congress. what schiff spoke about. how do you have the tools to legislate and close the gaps between what ought to be illegal and allowed. between what conduct is essentially wrong and inappropriate. but yet not impeachable or removable for congress. when you don't have all the information and access to the subpoena power meaning essentially nothing. you run into the problems of not being able to fully look ahead to the future to deter the behavior. which is what laws are about. deterring behavior. as a prosecutor i couldn't have been in a position to be able to deter which is one of the aspects of the justice system to prevent conduct from happening and punish if i didn't have the tools to demonstrate what the wrong was. from the point of romney. what it was he doing, he didn't just go against his party.
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he went against every single aspect of the trump defense team. from the idea of not having a vague abuse of power to why an election was not good enough to wait for. that's what he'll be remembered for. >> thank each and all of you for making the argument. i'll take a break. i'll tell you what the president mentioned, romney could have beaten obama. i'll tell you something. he can talk about president obama and loves to talk about him. i would have loved to see that match up. i would have loved to see that campaign. what does just happened mean for the campaign? you have a great, great window into what made the democrats best hope to beat this very powerful president. tonight in a cnn town hall, joe biden showed something that i don't think he has shown this way to this point and it could be the key to the campaign. next.
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tonight in the town hall.t - i want you to listen to it. >> and i get up in the night, in the middle of the night, with a flashlig flashlight. and i would look in the mirror. and i would try to memorize emerson quotes. looking at a mirror, because you get embarrassed because you can torch your face. and it's embarrassing. and so, i would stand there and say, meek young men grow up in libraries, believing in the duty to accept the words of cicciaro, bacon and lock. chr cicciaro bacon and lock were young men themselves. history teaches on this side of
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the grave. but once in a lifetime, that long tidal wave of justice rises up and hope and history rhyme. i would practice and practice and practice. i was determined to overcome it. i was led to believe i could. and i basically did. what's the one thing you are concerned about most when you have a real problem and it's devastating to you? and someone comes up and says, you know how you feel and you know they have no idea how you feel. but someone comes up to you and says, i have been through this. i can tell you, i know how you feel. tell me. because all people are looking for is to say, you made it. it's possible to make it, huh? it's possible to make it. >> now, here's what i would ask you to do. all right? if you are open to anything democratic, if you made up your mind and you're going to vote for trump, that's fine. you're following us to see who you're against. go ahead and find this moment of
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joe biden and watch it in full. the key to joe biden's campaign has always been what he just did in that moment. when people come up to you and say, i know what you're dealing with, you know. no, you don't. joe biden's message is, i know what your struggle is. i am here for you. his empathy has always been his advantage against the rest of the field. you remember that. you remember that, with what was said about him in the beginning and how people seem to feel about him. that's been lost to this point in the campaign. it's all about electability. that moment he had tonight, i'm telling you, i was behind the stage. i was able to look at the audience. he got reaction from people that i have not seen him get anywhere else. and the idea for joe biden is, can he communicate on the campaign trail, that joe biden is there for you. that he feels your piain.
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