senator sanders clearly had a great night, too. i congratulate him and his supporters. >> we won, says pete buttiegieg. but just an hour before, bernie sanders said the same thing, standing alongside anderson. >> we won in iowa. we ended up winning the popular vote by 6000. i suspect that at the end of the day mr. buttigieg and i will have an equal number of delegates to the national convention. >> now, the popular vote is not the metric that counts. regardless, a cnn analysis shows errors in the counts that were reported by the iowa democratic party. that's not good for anybody. the head of the dnc, tom perez, says he wants a re-canvas of the results. but there's a catch on that, all right. candidates have until 1:00 p.m. eastern to file a request for re-canvassing or a recount.

the keyword is candidates. buttigieg suggested to me that his campaign is not going to push the issue. bernie sanders seemed to suggest the same. so what happens now? let's bring in david chalian and abby phillips. good to have you both. thank you for joining me especially at the hour. david, what did our analysis show? >> well, it showed a couple of different findings where the numbers didn't fully add up. i'll give you one example that it found. in one county, it found that the total number of people in the final round of voting -- you remember iowa votes in two rounds. that initial preference round and then in that final round after the reallocation. it showed that the total number of people in the final round of voting was greater than the total number of people in the initial round of voting. well, that's not possible if the rules are followed the way it is. you can't add people. the doors close right before that initial preference, and nobody is supposed to be added in the middle of the process. >> even if babies are born, they

are not born voting age. >> that is correct, they are not born voting age. and so that's just one example. so those kinds of things, you know, there are questions being raised. this is why chairman perez is saying, let's have a recanvas. to your point, though, that's not how the rules go. he's an outside voice. he's the chairman of the party. obviously he's trying to have influence on this. >> which, by the way, respect for perez because some would say let's just get out of here, let it go, right? it's iowa's problem, let it go. he isn't. he's trying to do quality control on this, so good for him. but the problem is what's the rule? >> you need -- a candidate has to request it. as you noted, my take away in terms of the news of day from these town halls was what you noted. sanders said to anderson, you know, we're in new hampshire now, let's move on to new hampshire. pete buttiegieg to you said, i'll leave that to the party. well, that's not the way it's really done. neither seemed interested. i don't think any other candidate is going to be all that interested. >> abby, what do you think, warren or biden? >> no one wants to look under

the hood of the iowa caucuses right now. i think people recognize that this is a messy process, and i think both sanders and buttigieg in particular understand that if you open the door to some kind of re-canvas or even a recount, you don't really know how that's going to end up for you in the margin in this narrow 10th of a percentage point. so neither party is particularly interested in going that far. and all the others, they don't have that much to gain. joe biden is not going to catapult from fourth place to third place because of a recount. and i think the same is true of the two other candidates in the race. but, you know, the fact that we found irregularities in our canvas of the results should not be a surprise. if you are watching our election coverage on monday night, we were in these caucuses. >> right. >> and you can see people counting one by one by one. that is human -- that is ripe for human error. >> right. >> i talked to iowa democrats this week who have done caucuses for many decades who actually

love the caucus process, but they told me that's how it is. it's a little bit not 100% -- it's not a science. it's a little bit of an art and nobody really wants to get that deep into it. >> the irregularity is the fact that i wear the same thing every night. wrong. if the number isn't the same in both places, you have a problem. >> they're counting by hand. they're counting heads. that is how you create errors. >> you're going to move on, you know it's not completely accurate, fine. the state of play stays the same. you move into new hampshire. the question is how does it play into new hampshire? i have to tell you, i did buttigieg's town hall here. we've all been with him plenty out there. there is energy and excitement because of how did he in iowa. what can that mean? >> listen, he's having the best week of his campaign, right? i mean, we'll get past that deadline tomorrow just to make sure that nobody is calling for a recanvas. >> 1:00 p.m. tomorrow eastern.

>> later today, i guess. 1:00 p.m. eastern, but, you know, once we are past that deadline and the party says 100% of the vote is in, pete buttiegieg is going to be the winner of the iowa caucuses even by the 10%. bernie sanders, you heard him say i won the popular vote by 6000 votes. you know that's not the metric, chris. when he says he's 6000 votes ahead, that's the initial round, not the final round. he was ahead but by a narrower margin. >> do you think he ends up with the same number of delegates, sde acronym me? >> they'll split it, buttigieg has one or two more. probably an even split. to your point, buttigieg has had a really good week, probably a bit muted than he would have normally because of the way this was handled. sanders today announce $25 million raised in the month of january. his best fund-raising month of the entire campaign. that is a person who is building a campaign for the long haul.

durability. $18 is the average donation. it is mind blowing in terms of how he is able to build, succeed in iowa, come to new hampshire and be well positioned. he's somebody who is really building for the long haul here. >> you have to wonder for sanders if there is a little built of bit of a feeling iowa keeps slipping through his fingers. i don't know if it matters he's 1/10 of a point or buttigieg is up 1/10 of a point. he is impervious to these news cycles because his base is so with him. i think as a matter of pride and a matter of sort of political bragging rights, bernie sanders wanted to be able to win the iowa caucuses and to have the iowa caucuses cement his movement. he wasn't quite able to get there, but i don't think that that's the end for him. >> true, true. >> there is a long way to go. >> as we know perception is often reality in politics. and whereas in 2016 it was, wow, do you think he can win?

now it's oh, yeah, we knew he was going to kill it in iowa and we know he's going to kill it in new hampshire also. he's in a totally different position now. he is the presumptive favorite coming into new hampshire and the only question is will he sustained in nevada a couple weeks after that and then south carolina immediately after. >> how close is buttigieg to him here. if buttigieg who is not riding second in the new hampshire polls, if iowa now catapults him, this is a new dynamic. >> the monmouth poll -- >> tease, tease. we do have some new polling. so, listen, we have implications here. it's been said very often that iowa may not pick your winner, although it often has for the democrats. but it also picks your losers. so what are the numbers right now in new hampshire? what's the state of play? we're going to take a look at that with what the data tells

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now, as i kept abby philip from saying before we went to break, there is a new poll about the state of play in new hampshire. it comes from monmouth, and it shows sanders and buttigieg in a tight race for the top. sanders on top, no surprise. not seeing warren maybe biden in second, big surprise. let's discuss. ayesha moody mills, hillary rosen join me, david and abby. let me loop you guys in here because you're new. at the top of the poll, hillary, you agree, bernie on top a show of recognized and familiar strength here as a neighboring senator. but who is in second? surprised? >> no, i mean, it does show momentum is important coming out

of iowa. that is historic. and why should this be any different? i think it's interesting because we also saw boston globe poll tonight and i don't know the numbers from the monmouth poll for second choice, but the boston globe poll, similar numbers to monmouth on the top choice. but again, this race is not breaking down ideologically. the second choice for biden voters is warren and buttigieg. the second choice for warren voters is not bernie sanders. the second choice for warren voters is pete buttiegieg and so i think that what we're seeing is these voters are struggling to figure out who the best person is to beat donald trump, and we can say all we want, they're figuring out the progressive lane versus the moderate lane. i just don't think that's how they're seeing it. these numbers don't play out that way. >> ayesha, bernie sanders was asked something tonight about who his running mate might be.

i want to play it and get your take on what that does for his chances. list tone this. listen to this. >> what i want from a vice-president is somebody whose world view is similar to mine, and there are a lot of, you know, brilliant women out there who hold that view. so we will be looking at that. >> so, can you commit to saying you would have -- you would want to have a woman vice-president? >> i would want to -- >> or a person of color? >> yeah, i don't want to commit. it's always -- i don't want to commit. but my inclination is to say yes. >> i mean -- >> what do you think, aisha? >> that's obvious there's no way democrats are going to get excited and jazzed up about two white men, particularly two white men of a certain age who are running for president sim plif because we are so used to seeing our self reflected in the makeup of this party that prides itself in being diverse, wanting to be inclusive. even when we struggle at it,

there is a lot of intentionality that goes into making people feel like they have a voice and place at the table. so, yeah, of course he's going to need to at least pick a woman or person of color. if we are to really ignite the turnout we need in november to really dump donald trump. that's the thing we all need to be talking about. voters are confused. they're thinking about, quote-unquote, electability. in their guts their want to be moved, invigorated and excited. as we continue to profile the candidates that's what people are trying to feel. they want to feel something. and whoever the vp is is certainly going to need to evoke some kind of emotion if we're going to get people to come out in record-breaking numbers which is what's going to be required to get rid of donald trump in the house. >> but that wasn't his standard, which is interesting. i might have said -- might have been interested in him saying, i'd like somebody who helps challenge me on my thinking, who broadens the party, who, you know, brings a lot of other

things to the table. he actually said the opposite of that, and i think that that -- >> i've never heard bernie sanders say he wants to be challenged about anything and i've been interviewing him for a long time. >> that's right. >> that's why he took the downside of authenticity. he knows what he believes and he believes that it's right. all right. let's talk about this a little bit. one way -- let me put a little bit of skepticism on this. typical democrats, can't figure out how to win, can't figure out what you really want. you want to feel, but you also want electability. this is the disadvantage against the republican party. they are all in, they are behind their guy, he has checked the boxes. there is none of this feeling versus something else. there is directness. >> what you're describing about the republican party behind their guy in this election is the reason why a president who on paper, right, has not had majority approval in this country the entirety of his presidency. you would look at that and say

he has a tough battle for reelection, and it will be. it's going to be a close race, right? but the reason you look and say, president trump, especially now, he's acquitted, he's emboldened, his numbers are at the high point right now. as the election year is getting underway, he is positioned in a way that he can be the favorite for reelection here because of that rock-solid unification of his party. i mean, it's just -- there's no crack in it. >> and that's why, look, you could say that's paradoxical. he just went through his worst trial literally, right, trial, and he's at his highest popularity. shouldn't he be at his lowest? no, because those who supported him are now behind him more than ever. >> yeah, and i don't know that trump supporters are not with him because he makes them feel something. i think that's actually -- that actually is why they are with him. trump is sort of cultural phenomenon, particularly among

white people in this country. and i do think that that is about how he makes them feel about politics and about their place in this country. and that has almost nothing to do actually with his policies because his policies were antithetical to a lot of republican values for a long time. and that's why i think that when we look at what's going on with the democratic party and, you know, i think ayesha is right in some sense, that voters of color do want to see their identities reflected in their politics. >> sure. >> at the same time, i don't necessarily think that identity is going to be sufficient for those voters because look at what has happened in the democratic primary. you know, voters of color are not gravitating toward necessarily candidates of color. they're gravitating toward the old white guy, joe biden and gravitating toward the other old white guy, bernie sanders. >> right. >> and so there is something else that is going on here. i think voters are practical. they want people who speak to other values that they have,

which are how the government works for them, how the economy works for them. >> i agree with you. >> that's the code the democrats have to crack here. >> i am playing with the due at. because with trump, the way he makes people feel is how he won. >> yes. >> on the democratic side, you can make people feel, they can resonate off something that may not be the right person to beat donald trump. and as you say, that is a code that must be cracked. all right. let's take a break here. thank you, everybody, for being part of the conversation. hillary rosen didn't like three quarters of what i just said. she'll get a chance to come back at me. all right, this idea of, you know, look, i acquitted the president because he learned his lesson, okay. and, you know, that state of the union, that's who he really is. that's who he'll be now. boy, were they wrong. they have unleashed the cracking and the proof came together. z uitting every monday hard. quitting feels so big. so, try making it smaller.

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he learned his lesson, they told you. he would be the uniter. that was what was portrayed in parts of the state of the union said others. but we all know what's true in life has to be true in politics at a certain point. you are what you do, and president trump showed you who he is by what he did. >> we first went through russia, russia, russia. it was all bull shut, dirty cops, bad people. it was evil, it was corrupt, leakers and liars, it was the top scum had i not fired james

comey, who was a disaster, by the way. it's possible i wouldn't even be standing here right now. i fired that sleaze bag and little did we know we were running against some very, very bad and evil people. adam schiff is a vicious, horrible person. nancy pelosi is a horrible person. but i doubt she prays at all. >> now, you might say, well, this was just a fit of peak. he was at a prayer breakfast right before this, okay, when president clinton went to the prayer breakfast he was once again contrite. he, too, was upset about what was done to him. he, too, thought that it was wrongful. but he apologized to the country and he wanted to try to bring people together and he leaned on god and the grace thereof to try to unite again. here is what this president said at the prayer breakfast. >> i don't like people who use their faith as justification for doing what they know is wrong.

nor do i like people who say, i pray for you, when they know that that's not so. so many people have been hurt, and we can't let that go on. >> scott jennings, i wanted to have just you and me to have this conversation because i don't want any yelling and group think. we'll get to the political implications afterwards. would you have said what the president said today at the prayer breakfast? >> no, i have a different theory on public communications. it's not how i would comport myself -- >> hold on -- >> but then again -- yeah. >> hold on, hold on. i just want to go step-by-step. you wouldn't say it that way, not just because you have a different communications theory. you used the word comportment. and i think what you're trying to dmcommunicate, please clarif

you don't want to behave that way, especially at a place that is about prayer and unity through faith. right? >> well, i mean, if i were speaking at a prayer breakfast, i would talk about the issue that matters most to me in this world of politics, abortion. that's probably the only thing i would talk about. but i'm not donald trump, and i have not endured a three-year campaign to de legitimatize my presidency and to throw me out of office. and i think the reaction, honestly, chris, he had today, was an understandable human reaction to a three-year campaign to de-legitimatize him. if i could wave my wand, i'd do it. i'm willing to give him latitude after everything that's happened. >> now, the last part is the truth. you say you wouldn't do it. you say it's not how it should

be. but then you say you'll give him a break. and you know what, scott? you and the people in your party who are in congress do that every time, and that's why he says, i could shoot somebody in the middle of fifth avenue and my supporters wouldn't leave. how does that make you feel about somebody as a person of faith, that this president mocks people who use their faith to guide their behavior, who said that romney used his faith as a crutch? you and i both know as flawed believers that's exactly what faith is supposed to be. but you all excuse it because he's in power, and you want him to stay there. is that okay? >> yeah, i do want him to stay in power. because the alternative -- at the same time he was making that speech this morning, mayor pete buttigieg who i guess is now potentially the front runner for the democratic nomination for president was over on "the view" talking about abortion on

demand, okaying partial birth abortion, abortion any time and anyplace. so if you're a christian, if you're a conservative whoa believes in those values and your choices are donald trump who sometimes says things you don't like and you wouldn't do it that way, versus rule by a party that would allow abortion on demand and install federal judges who would allow it, this is no choice at all. you go with, you go with your gut on policy and your morals on policy. >> you know it's a lie. >> it's not a lie. >> i saw the clip to prepare for this segment, scott. he did not say abortion on demand whenever you want it wherever you want it. let me ask you something. how do you reconcile -- >> he did. i am not lying to you, chris cuomo. >> he didn't, scott and we both know it. i'm not -- look, it's a lie to say that pete buttiegieg or anybody in the democratic party who is running for president wants to have abortion whenever you want it at any time, let's pull out the baby and let's look

at it and tlhrow it in the garbage. you guys say this and you say it for the ugliest of reasons. you know what the law is. you know you couldn't do that by law. the supreme court standard wouldn't allow it. you know what the viability standard is. and so at the same time you want them to say, this is scott jennings and these other guys, they're rooted in that christianity. that's good, that wwjd, it's good for us. it's supposed to be secular but i take comfort in it. you pass off something you know is not true. you know no democrat says you can get an abortion any time before the kid goes to kindergarten. why scare people like that? >> a, you're exaggerating. b, the question he was asked this morning -- >> now i'm exaggerating, i'm exaggerating? >> yeah, you are. the question he was asked is, what is the line, what's the line you draw? and the answer he gave was very simple. i will trust any woman to make the decision any time she wants

to make it. that's a perfectly legitimate position for a democrat primary for president. >> no, he said i trust the woman to make the decision about her body, not the government. he said that he believes the woman should make the choice, not the government about what she can do with her body and when. he didn't say i'm going to get rid of the legal standard. i think you're scaring people, but now we talked about that subject. that's fine. i get that it works for you guys. that's fine. but here's what i don't understand working for you. that president mocks people like you, scott. he thinks that you are silly to ask a god for forgiveness. he told you, i have never asked god for forgiveness. and he doesn't believe in people who say they pray for people they don't like because he thinks the notion of wanting something good to happen to someone you don't like is silly. and he thinks that romney leaning on his faith to make a decision, such a crutch.

all of that should disgust you. not just i don't like how he said it. if pete buttiegieg said today, look at you, scott jennings, leaning on your faith as a crutch, praying for people that you say you don't agree with. and mocked it, what would you be saying about pete buttiegieg, scott? >> he does mock people. people who have come to him and challenged, you know, he's tried to make biblical arguments for his pro-life position. he mocks people who challenge him. he does mock people who rely on their faith to inform their politics. look, i don't believe donald trump is a perfect person, a perfect christian. and i don't believe -- >> that's not true. evgen >> i don't believe he's one either. listen, i will pray for him every day so he can be a better christian, but i will tell you this. i did not vote for him and i am not going to vote for him because i want him to teach me how to be a better christian. i want him to enact policies that i think better reflect my values, which are informed by my faith and informed by my

conservative belief. no democrat is going to do that. >> if he said people who -- i want to ask you something because i know how you're going to answer. if the president said, look, i don't believe in god. this is silly hocus pocus and these christians who do this, they want to do it, i don't get it. i've never gotten it. i'll give you the judges. and if i have a chance to put a judge on there that will change roe v. wade i'll do it because i want your votes. would you vote for him? >> i mean, if the choice is a pro-life policy versus a nonpro-life opponent, yes, i'm going voting for the pro-life candidate. >> it's a yes/no question. buttigieg says he is aid christian and understands his faith and its teaching but he'll follow the law. i just want to be clear. so the president can come 0 oou and say, hey, jennings, you're an idiot to believe in that hocus pocus. i'll give you your judges. give me your vote. you'd still vote for him, right? >> yes, i would vote for a pro-life candidate over a pro abortion candidate every day.

>> no, he's not pro-life. let's say he says i don't care about pro-life. this is silly. you religious nonsense people, witch craft basically. but i'll give you the judges because i want your vote. you'd be okay with it. i think that's fine. stop saying that your party makes faith paramount in the positions and their character counts. don't say it any more because you don't act on it any more. that's why i wanted to have this conversation. but now let's talk about the state of play and what the president has done with his words in terms of the election. let's take a quick break. i'll bring in a couple people with different opinions. we'll bring in april ryan, angela ryan. we'll talk about the relative politics, but i wanted to talk to you first. we'll keep scott jennings. so, what was it like to be in the room where this happened today? how did it seem to affect people? it's an important perspective for you. let's get that next. smart bed, on sale now,the0 you can both adjust your comfort with your sleep number setting. can it help me fall asleep faster? yes, by gently warming your feet. but can it help keep me asleep? absolutely, it intelligently senses your movements and

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all right. so, look, we played for you what the president said and we see that he is coming for revenge, he is coming to judge, he is coming for a reckoning. here's the question. what does that do for the state of the race? does it intensify those who support him, as we have seen in the polls, and at the same time does it create an opportunity for those who would oppose him? scott jennings is back, bringing angela wry and april ryan. scott jennings is back because

we disagree on an issue, but that doesn't mean we don't like each other. we disagree on decency. we have the conversation. he may take a poke at me when we're in the same room. it's all good. april ryan, you were in the room where it happened today. what was the experience like in terms of the effect on the audience of the president's words? >> well, the president used words, bull shut as well as the words sucker. it was surreal because earlier in the morning he was at a prayer breakfast and he was angry, but he was in a celebratory mood thanking everyone. and regayling about how all this happened three years ago. the crowd gave him extended ovations. but there were two names that the president omitted that were deafening to me, the silencing of these names, mick mulvaney

and rudy giuliani. he did not thank either one and you did not see -- i did not see giuliani in the room nor mick mulvaney. so today was a victory lap for the president, but there is still something going on. the president almost seemed like he was trying to relitigate this to get people to believe him that he was innocent, and he kept saying he's done nothing wrong. >> oh, yeah. so, angela, here's the question for you. his numbers get a little bit of a bump up through this most difficult period of the impeachment trial. let's take that as a suggestion of significant, if not unique resolve of those in the republican party to see him succeed. what does that do to the challenge of trying to replace him with a democrat? >> well, i think it goes right to the heart of what has been the problem of democrats' strategy and that is to say that they're going to go hard after voters that they lost in 2016,

trying to go and cut into the republican base is not a good strategy. what is a good strategy is to realize that what's gone is gone, and to buckle down and get the people who have long been your base, and that is black and brown voters. that is, newer voters, young voters, registering new folks, ensuring that folks who have been disenfranchised and are returning citizens can vote. but to try to go and turn trump voters who, as we just saw in the last segment with your hypothetical ask to scott, is highly problematic. morals be damned, that is not what drives donald trump's voting base. it is bigotry. it is fear. it is judges who have lifetime appointments that may be pro-life, but they want to kill off everyone else -- our civil rights. they want to ensure the death penalty continues to exist. all of these other things that fly in the face of morality and what i believe is a social justice gospel, which is the one

for the god that i serve who is also jesus christ. >> right, look, i get it. scott, i see you rolling your eyes. you don't agree. they don't agree with you that democrats want abortion as an atm to kill a baby -- >> i don't agree, i don't agree with being called a bigot for being a conservative -- >> i didn't call you a bigot. >> you're 100% right. you did. you said trump supporters -- >> scott, scott, i'm big and bold enough to say scott is a bigot if that's what i think. that's not what i said so don't put words in my mouth. you did that to pete buttiegieg and chris cuomo, but not today. >> you said it. i don't know what you want me to say. >> scott, let me ask you this. >> he rolls his eyes all the time. move on. >> i'm fine with that. >> i know what she said, i don't let people call people bigots on here. i don't have bigots on. she was talking about trump voters an aspect of them she believes that's why the message

resonates. i don't have to explain angela, she does that well for herself. let me ask you this. is it part of the calculus politically that what the president is saying doesn't just rev you guys up, but revs up people who don't like that kind of talk? the divisive talk, and the idea of being vengeful and separating people? are you worried about him stoking not just his people but the democrats? >> my view of president trump has been fairly consistent since the beginning. if you look at his numbers, there's been a steady mid 40s that disapprove of him and obviously according to the polling on impeachment, want to even throw him out of office. i'm not actually sure it would be possible for him to make them go any further than they already want to go, which is to impeach and convict the president so i would anticipate them voting against the president. what i think he has to do is a couple of things. number one, i think there are millions of people in this country who are not registered

to vote, but might be inclined to vote for him if they were registered. that's number one. number two, i think he has room to run with the african-american community. i think he has room to run with the hispanic community farther than the previous republican presidents did. shall if he were to improve his numbers by 4 to five points among fe among female voters, he's ripe for reelection. incumbent presidents have the time and resources to do that. i think that's what they're doing. >> right. how many of your friends out there, april ryan, are feeling the suggestion? >> not, zero, goose egg. and i'm going to tell you why. if there was a chance for that, the state of the union really turned a lot of people off. >> right. >> one, the main issue -- and don't get me wrong. we never wish any ill on anyone who is sick or dying or has cancer. but for him in front of the nation to pander for black votes

and then give rush limbaugh the highest medal a president can give, this -- rush limbaugh is a bigot. rush limbaugh is a racist. he is a birther. he could have given gold stars to the tuskegee airmen, he could have also given him that presidential medal of freedom. this president goes from charlottesville to s-hole nations to giving the medal of freedom to the whole world to see to rush limbaugh, that is a big contradiction that's hypocrisy. the black vote is too precious, and there is a lot to lose and a lot at stake at this moment. >> all right. i'm out of time. thank you very much, angela wry, april ryan. scott jennings. appreciate it. all right. there are people on the fence. i keep telling you, we are not just our politics. there are a lot of people who aren't sure about the president and they gave him the benefit of

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imagine, it took just four years to go from this -- >> i accept your nomination for president of the united states. >> to this -- >> i humbly and gratefully accept your nomination for the presidency of the united states. >> and yet now, the party bears no resemblance to its traditi

traditional self. romney says he votes with trump 80% of the time. but the values, they have been, i argue, veviscerated. live your faith has been changed to this -- >> it was all bullshit. >> and he isn't just talking to the democrats or the media. republicans are just as in his sights as anyone. he mocks his own party. its members and members of his base, when it suits him. my argument is, we are all in the same boat, my brothers and sisters. if you don't do trump right, he will do you dirty. you see where the guy is devoted to him. remember him? his life, devoted to trump as

his lawyer. his longest political adviser, you see trump come for either of them? no. you see who he singled out for honor during black history month? don't buy this, that's just how he talks jazz. i wouldn't say it that way. that's like saying lions snap the necks and disembowl them when they're aungry because that's how they are when they're hungry. supporting obvious wrongdoing like this -- >> i believe that the president has learned from this case. >> really? just a day later, here's what the senator realized. >> why do you have a feeling that he has changed? has learned a lesson? >> it may be aspirational on my

part. >> that was on fox. who changes bad behavior when the behavior is validated? this is what your aspiration led to and what was supposed to be about inspiration. this president worships success. this is what he did at the prayer breakfast. he attacks the very basis for faith. he mocked romney for acting on his faith in his vote. >> then, you have some that used religion as a crutch. a failed presidential candidate. so, things can happen when you fail so badly. remember the line religion as a crutch. one is about fact and one is about faith. it's true, romney lost in 2012. and trump is president. trump didn't outreform rperform. and romney was up against a popular incumbent democrat. one reason that trump may be so

obama-obsessed is because he attacks what he fears. and he has asked more than once, if he would beat obama because he knows and hates the answer. but forget about the politics, trump tells you all you need to know as describing faith as a crutch. he meant it as a slight, right? he doesn't get that that's what faith is all about. those who choose to believe do so why? they're not enough for themselves. recognize your flaws. they desire forgiveness. true grace of god, getting to a place that's bigger than ourselves. that can make us more and bigger than ourselves without devotion in ourselves. trump has showed you time and again, he is about none of this. he is a man who told you he has never needed forgiveness from god. find me another christian who says they have never needed

forgiveness from god. while he judges the faith of others, and you just saw him do it, it is not my place or profession or inclination. i will judge myself. but there is judgment to be passed here. you members of congress who say faith matters to you, and you support him, you better own how he is. not just what he gives you, not the judges, not the pats on the had, if you help him stay in power. and if you don't want to judge yourself, it will come anyway, and here's why. in congress, there is judgment of you. the election is coming. and voters will judge what you've done. and remember this -- they're also going to judge why you did it. that is the argument. now, with a straight face, the president barked in his wild speech about nepotism. going after kids like hunter biden. how dare they make money off

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a son that made no money, that got thrown out of the military, that had no money at all, is working for $3 million up front -- is ivanka in the audience? boy, my kids could make a

fortune. they could make a fortune. it's corrupt. >> they are. ivanka made more than a dozen chinese trademarks. they approved a major expansion of their golf resort in scotland. they have more than $100 million of real estate holdings with their father in office as president. thank you for watching. time, now, for "cnn tonight" with d. lemon. i understand you can't hear me. but i can see you and hear you. you're way over there. i know they can't hear us on the air. >> he is commanding. >> chris can't hear me in his ear. i won't talk to you. but that is a lack of self-awareness what you j