get a broad scope of support across the spectrum including african-americans. >> we have a newcomer in the white house look where it got us. having some experience is a good thing. >> with need people with experience. i'm worried about pete. >> they are coming after him tonight. he defended his experience. let's play that and have a discussion. >> i freely admit that if you're looking for the person with the most years of washington experience under that belt. you have your candidate of course it's not me. the perspective on bringing is that of somebody whose life has been shaped by the decisions that are made in the big white buildings in washington. we need a sper spective that will finally allow us to leave the politics of the past in the past. turn the page and bring change to washington before it's too late. >> what's the plus minus on that

parlay? >> that's his message. it has power. any time you're the center ring and everybody is wailing on you, i think someone said earlier it's about memorable lines. klobuchar a memorable line. i'm con fulzed steyer arguing the problem is he doesn't have enough experience. he never held public office in his life. i think that there is a lot of jaundice about washington and there is a hunger for change. and i think there's a hunger for unity as we have discussed here. he's trying to tap into that. we'll see how far it goes. one thing about unity it's not unity unless you have african-american people supporting you, latino people. those tests are yet to come. he may do well in new hampshire, and then the big test will come. can he parlay the momentum into

a second look in places like south carolina and nevada. >> i think the question when you look at every poll of democrats and who can beat trump. you look at pete buttigieg and he does have a big brain and terrific on the stump and a great job in the debate. the question is what 38 year-old and the mayor of south baend and ran for other office and didn't win. and how are you going to beat, convince me to you can beat donald trump. and i think that argument still has to be closed. >> it is. but losing begets losing and winning begets winning. obama was four years out of the illinois state senate when he ran for president. over the course -- he was a senator. over the course of the campaign. many of the same arguments were made about him. he was a senator. that was an advantage. a tall and elegant guy.

with a bar tone voice. all that stuck. and but, what really helped him was winning. winning. and dealing with all of the pressure in a campaign. campaigns are crucibles and if you can navigate the campaign the longer the more people say wait a second and judge you based on what they see. that's the bet that buttigieg is making. will it work, i don't know. >> this campaign will make buttigieg a better candidate. i don't know if he'll be the nominee. i would be happy to see in the in the house. i think that maybe this is his first run. and the next time we see him around he's going to have that experience under his belt that we know we want him to have. >> a well weather of the state of play within the party is tom steyer. because you can say, does mr. steyer really have a chance of being a nominee but staying until the race. he's self-funded.

he took a will the lot of oppor. he got more time speaking than any other debate. we have him right now in new hampshire. >> i'm checking the talk time. he did. you were aggressive, intense, you got in there. other debates there's times you waited to be asked. you didn't this type. how'd you feel? >> i think we're in a few state of the campaign. what i was saying was this isn't a policy debate anymore about the best healthcare policy. everybody is million times better than trump. you can't watch what happened this week in the united states of america and think the democrat is going to walts into the white house. we have to beat trump. he's rung on the economy. running on the economy. we're better on all issues. >> you kept bringing up the economy. and how you win the economy. we were talking about this with andrew yang.

you can find all kind of issues with the economy. the headlines unemployment is 3%. there's a will the of strength in the economy. the market is up. >> unemployment is low but you can't live on the wages. the economy is growing but money is going to rich people and big corporations. he talks about the fact that wages are up, if you look at why they're up shs the answer is they raised the minimum wage in big blue states around the country. he's taking credit for something he's opposed. if you want to talk about the stock market. 85% -- >> but up is up. people feel better. how does that help you get votes? >> mr. trump is fighting against the american people. he's passed the biggest tax gift over $1 trillion to rich people

and big corporations. said he's going to -- it would balance the budget. instead it blew out the budget to $1 trillion. he said after the election i'll balance the budget and take away medicare and social security. if this is he good for the american people? he's opposed to the american people. he's trade war is a disaster. he's incompetent. cruel and a liar. >> we were as we were getting ready to go on listening he mentioned a moment i have here. which is you dissing buttigieg for not having experience. you don't have any experience in government. you have experience in business. but not government. we need people with experience that's why i'm worried about mayor pete. go toe to toe and take him down on the debate stage or we'll lose. why do you have more experience in that forum than he does?

>> i know something about economics. i couldn't have built a business that i did from scratch. if i didn't understand job creation, growth and prosperity. trump is running on the economy. he's running on the economy. if we can't make the argument that he's a liar and a fraud, which he is, then we can't win. what i'm saying is right now anyone who is democrat who doesn't realize he can be reelected after this is not paying attention. he can be. whoever the democrat is has to be able to go after him on the economy and win. whoever the democrat is this is a turn out election. there are a will the of people here talking about persuading republicans to change their minds. i'm not -- >> can i follow up on that. what about this week do you

think puts donald trump in a seat? >> he has the highest -- >> totality of it. >> the simple thing is he has his highest approval rating. >> the poll numbers. not impeachment or anything else. >> all the polls are up a bit. gallop is up a lot. state of the union address. and things that happened this week. it's true. so we have to recognize that it isn't a question of the democrats into the white house. we have to win. it has to be a question are democrats going to turn out. if you look at 2018, a lot of people like to say we won in 2018 because he nominated moderate democrats. i don't believe it. i look and say in 2014, 35

million people voted democratic. we had a terrible year. in 2018 the next year, 59 million people voted democratic. up by 24 million people over 35. it's a turn out. if we show up we win. if we don't, we lose. the republicans always show up. it's not a question about convincing a million people or two million people. to change their mind. it's convincing tens of millions of americans who agree with us it's worth it to show up at the polls. and we're telling the truth and change things and sweep away the republican plan. >> all right. thank you, tom steyer. >> all right. back to you, mr. cuomo. >> interesting. tom steyer kind of a bell weather about where we are in the party. he has no intention of leaving. no confidence in the field. does he have any chance of being the nominee?

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so, former south bend mayor buttigieg has a shocking finish in iowa. gets the dazzle people. everyone is tabing him. what happens at the debate. now they come at you. he gets beaten up. he had a moment that maybe his best foot forward. they throw him a softball about what do you think of hunter biden and trump going after him that's a vulnerability. >> this is not about hunter biden or vice president biden or, this is abuse of power of by the president. the vice president and i and all of us are competing. we have to draw the line here. to be the kind of president,

human being, who would seek to turn someone against his own son and weaponize a son against his own father. is an unbelievably dishonorable thing that is one more example of why we as a party have to be completely united in doing whatever it takes to make sure that this president doesn't get a second term. >> i think it was lucky that they came to a mayor pete first. i have a feeling you would gotten a version of that. that was a powerful answer. that was sanders in 2016. saying i don't care about e-mails. let's talk about the debate. it was a version of john mccain telling that woman stop, i don't agree with you. a powerful moment. >> everybody on stage agrees with him. nobody will feed into that for

purposes of a democratic primary. what he did was make it so personal and so much about family and he's had really good moments lately. talking his iowa victory lap talking personally and about kids that don't -- family. the fact he was able to take it there and make it so human which is joe biden's calling card. i thought it was -- >> it was edged in buttigieg. >> south bend the city of 110,000 people. >> it was a beautiful moment. the thing about him is he does have that magical quality. that was poetry. it didn't seem rehearsed. i'm sure it was. it felt authentic. the tightness in his jaw. he let it sink in. this is really despicable behavior to split up a family in that way. it was a beautiful moment. he had those moments throughout the night where you can see,

sometimes you feel like what is this kid doing on stage? why is he there? he shouldn't be there he's too young. hees in high school. and he does something like that. i'm glad he's in the race and the white house. >> you can see biden's face as he was talking. he was almost taken aback by what he said. and he thanked him after ward or said something about it. it was something i think spoke to every family. weaponizing a son against a father. >> the nature of politics as course as they are it stands out more when an opponent stands on the stage approximate defends another person on the stanl with whom they're competing. it is something that people respond positively too. to. we're in a causic environment. that was a good moment for him.

>> there was a lot of love going on. bernie got a hug from biden. in the middle of the debate. i don't know what was going on. they were hugging each other. >> he's likable. >> hilary said that -- >> that's where he came from. >> where have you been? >> they were hugging. i thought this is wonderful. >> one of the things that are keys to the debate are what gets replayed the next day and gets seen. buttigieg, watching the second time was much more powerful. the first time we're taking notes and trying to pay attention to who is win skpg losing. we'll see that tomorrow. we'll see the vindman, rush limbaugh line tomorrow.

the commander in chief. the klobuchar with the good got ya. that will digest what happened. and we'll see this on sunday. >> the interesting thin how this gets covered because people go in with a predisposition of the front runners will get attacked. and they did. so the question is whether those clips will take precedent. do they come forward to illustrate the fact these were the front runners and under attack. that could if people see the debate that way, it was a less good debate for sanders and buttigieg. than it was for people watching the debate. >> that's the challenge elizabeth warren is facing. the best moments she added to issues. gun violence prevention answer talking about not only suicide by gun by domestic violence. which doesn't usually get brought up in that context. her answer about reproductive freedom and the cross section

with race. and how row needs to be the ceiling and the floor not the ceiling. it was those answers that really stood out to me. and those probably aren't going to get the -- >> they don't resonate the same way. for example what are they trying to do? unify the party. that's a problem. you don't have a polarized party. you have lots of different groups. we talked about the former vice president biden and this moment that he had with a woman where his empathy cape out. she was talking about her son a stutterer and talking about decency when people have cancer and get back to. that was big. he also arguably unified people in the crowd the most by definition in the following moment. >> vindman got thrown "outfrooue white house today, walked out. he should be pinning a medal on

vindman not rush limbaugh. we should all stand up and give vindman a show of how much we support him. stand up and clap for vindman. who we are, that's who reare. not what trump is. >> powerful moment. imagine if they didn't get up. that would have been such a terrible -- >> he had some confidence. >> that had the earmarks that was something planned. and it was effective. it also -- he just getting the whole thing laying it out. is not his -- he's not smooth in doing it. and so it could have been a more effective moment than it was. that's the issue. >> the staff says it was all -- >> too high a bar?

like saying -- >> the medal line? i don't think so. >> if you practice the line and the line is he should be -- we should be pinning a medal on vindman not rush limbaugh. that's a -- >> if you take the reporting they say it wasn't planned. >> maybe the stand up part. >> if you look over the history of the debates the most effective lines are practiced. on jfk. those were practice. he hit on a point had when you try to script joe biden it doesn't work. it's joe biden talking at the town hall. coming from his heart. it's much more effective. and he kind of stepped on his own line. it was effective. >> why are we surprised by this? we have seen joe biden in public life for a decade. he has never been smooth.

making mistakes. >> we have to take a break. we'll figure out -- this is it now. you can't under estimate -- i know politics is filled with hype. but i'm telling you the story changes every week with every result. and that will happen this time too. it will matter even more than it did in iowa. so stay with us and we'll try to figure out together what's coming our wachlt our way. (sensei) a live bookkeeper is helping customize

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all right. obviously you win new hampshire it's good. after that, it all depends on who it is.

elizabeth warren, second place means more than if you're klobuchar for her maybe it's how she does to biden. what about biden. he said something you rarely hear a candidate say. you rarely hear anybody on the campaign say. i'll tell you what will happen in new hampshire and it ain't good. listen. >> i took a hit in iowa. i'll probably take a hit here. traditionally bernie won by 20 point last time. and usually it's a neighboring senators that do well. it doesn't matter whether it it's this one or the next. i view the first four encounters. two primary and caucus as the starting point. >> terrible. >> his staff loved that, i'm sure. >> they came out and said we'll compete here. >> look at the volunteers. he has organizers door knocking this weekend. >> may may have wanted him to say bernie is from a neighboring state. he won last time. i understand that we're fighting

uphill here. that would have been one thing. basically saying we're taking a hit. probably overshooting. >> line delivery. that we were talking about before. >> too honest. >> also, they had the bizarre theory. it's the first four states altogether. this is not how elections work. my theory is the fist 17 states are one thing. i can lose the first 15. >> that's the bloomberg theory. which is these little states this is to impress the media and get going for money. i don't need it. i'll compete in the big states and make a difference. >> when you lose iowa and think you're doing poorly in new hampshire. it's not about the best one out of the two it's the best one out of four. long haul. i don't think they meant for the candidate to make that. it's one of the things which is

he is -- i'm sure they talked about it. and in his brain it was lodged in there and came out. but there is a little bit of trick to it. before you start laughing. >> i'm not laughing. >> we have seen a very small slice of the democratic party and the delegates get elected. he just has to kill it in south carolina. it falls apart completely. >> the question does he kill it in south carolina if he finishes a week weak fourth in new hampshire. and predicting you're going to bomb out here probably doesn't add to the momentum. can i say one thing, i'm sorry. this is what happens here after midnight. the bloomberg, his theory isn't mere ri that i'm going to compete in the big states.

his theory is joe biden is not going to be a factor by the time these states happen. he was betting on biden's failure. hef stayed out of the race in part because of biden and got in the race when he was at a and betting he it's already paid on the first contest that biden is going to under perform and he can step in and sanders will be a step in and be the moderate alternative to sanders. i have no idea whether -- no one has done what he's doing. no one. and no one spent the money he's spending. and there will be a reckoning where bloomberg who is a formidable person has to step out from behind commercials and interact be the media. with voters. and they'll measure him against the ads and say, is he the wizard of oz? or real. >> surprisingly wishing he had

to be on stage tonight. as angry i am they changed the rules after so many candidates couldn't meet them. they made sure he could be in the next one. i was watching tonight thinking he gets to skate by completely unscathed. he gets to tell joe biden's base there might be an alternative but doesn't have to answer questions about his record. he's not taking hits that candidates are. he gets to maintain whatever veneer through the advertising. until he has to debate. i might have changed my mind on this. >> he's untested. nobody knows how mike bloomberg would be on the stage tonight. nobody knows. know has seen him in a town hall. talking to voters directly on national tv. >> he benefits from this. because the particularly the donor class.

democrats are always more in love with the person who hasn't gotten there. >> and nervous. >> doesn't make mistakes. >> nobody takes that long in that spot. >> they're freaking out. because who will be the candidate. sanders will never win. and they're freaking out and looking to the bright shiny object. and joe biden himself then comes in tonight to go back to what we were discussing and sets himself up as a loser. >> i see the train crash that we're headed for. you can't imagine a convention where it's bernie vs. the billionaire. that is where we're headed. and a number of scenarios and it was very hard to even begin to the healing process when it was hilary vs. bernie. now you have a billionaire

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growing up in a family that struggled economically powerfully influenced my values. bernie sanders he's fighting to raise wages. and guarantee health care for all. now, our country is at a turning point. hard working people, betrayed by trump, struggling to survive. in this moment, we need a fighter. bernie sanders. we know he'll fight for us as president because he always has. i'm bernie sanders and i approve this message.

so you can't talk about state of play in the democratic party without talking about bernie sanders. he won in iowa. he'll do well this new hampshire. he has a huge base of people who are giving small dollar donations and that is the crux of the message. he is the pop list answer the hero for the disaffected and the equal opposite to donald trump. he's his message on display tonight. >> unlike some of the folks up

here, i don't have 40 billionaires contributing to my campaign. coming from the pharmaceutical industry, coming from wall street and all the big money interest. what we have is now over 6 million contributions from one and a half million people averaging $18 a contribution. >> okay, so, first thing, the idea of conventional wisdom, how to you put it? high floor, low ceiling. why? he has the biggest base. seeing nothing but blue sky in the first two. he's for the working man and women. he feeds that idea i'm angry and looks like the guy from net work. that issued the message to yell out the window. why do we believe there's a ceiling? >> the question is how pervasive

in the message. the how broad is the message. he's not -- he's consistently under rated. you saw it again tonight. he was under fire at times. he wasn't particularly skaited. >> he's never affected by criticism. he's never knocked off his feet. >> his rhetoric is consistent. there is a sort of moral clarity to his message and he seems authentic and speaks in many ways to the same kind of anger about the system that donald trump does. the system that's rigged. >> bloomberg has a strategy. we see a moment where there's bernie sanders and bloomberg. if anybody has any sense they'll put them next to each other. and you have bernie sanders look

at bloomberg and he says we're both from brooklyn. we don't need money like yours in a party like this. i'm sure you're a nice guy. we're friends, you're a billionaire and you're the problem. what's the counter to that? >> you have to do it -- >> you are -- i have never seen you not have a strength. >> what is his answer where the party is like okay, okay, fine, we will accept this answer. what is the answer? >> wasn't the klobuchar -- she's the most effective in dealing with bernie this these debates. >> she's no billionaire. >> but taking healthcare away from 180 million people. >> medicare for all. >> i don't think anybody looking at trump saying we need the white house to be richer.

klobuchar she's coming at that thing as well. looking at steyer or bloomberg. billionaires trying to come in. >> there's a movement mind sanders. that is largely based on everything bloomberg stands for. it's the there's a saying that every billionaire is a policy failure. that's been going around the progressive community for years. they believe that. every billionaire happened because bedon't have regulations in place to make sure there isn't as much income equality. i understand people who aspire to be billionaires don't like that. most of us settle for millionaires. there would be a very strong populous base who would object. >> it's the self-financing. this is the issue. citizens united. this party says citizens united was decided in the wrong way and you have to get big money out of the politic. does the party say unless it's

your own? anybody can buy their way into the presidency. this is an issue that hasn't been taken up with steyer. because he hasn't done well enough yet. i think there's an inconsistency in the democratic party on this issue. maybe bloomberg can succeed. i have no idea. i believe that sanders is not going to be the only person raising that. >> i think we make a mistake already gaming out bloomberg vs. bernie. why he has a low ceiling because what he -- bernie. the democratic socialism doesn't represent where most of the democratic party is. he represents his ceiling is about 30%. unless he tries to moderate it in some way. that's not bernie. i respect him for saying every day the same thing. no matter where he is. the same thing. many matter the audience. it doesn't represent the democratic party a a whole.

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with regard to senator sand erts, the president wants very much to stick a label on every candidate. we'll have to win this time, we have to bring along the united states senate. and bernie labeled himself, not me. a democratic socialist. that's the label that the

president will lay on everyone running with bernie if he's a nominee. >> now, that is the best argument or criticism against sanders at this point. or not. let's talk to the panel about it. they had the weird moment with the hand up. who has a problem with socialist at the top of the ticket. we did the three count. three mississippi before klobuchar put her hand up. he has been redefining the record. can it be redefined in a way that works in america? >> i don't know if he can. his young supporters, they call themselves socialists, but they seem to have grandparent envy. in order their grandparents get to see a doctor for free. and want the same thing. grandparents went to college for $4 a semester. and they want the same thing. why call yourselves socialist. we want what you had.

the idea that is some socialist revolution. it's not of the kind that that we heard about in the 70s. the label does harm. when the policies are pretty reasonable. >> look, to be fair, in the 70s sanders he said to me in a town hall, i said that to him. he said when did i say that? i said you said it in the 70s. he said what were you saying in the 70s? and i said goo-goo, gaga. he said look, my ideas have progressed and his big hit is, what did we do for the corporation when's they tanked the housing market? what do we do for them? >> like i said, i think he has underestimated, if he were the nominee of the democratic party, there would be tradeoffs, constituencies that the democratic party is counting on

including this burgeoning suburban vote where he would not do as well as many of the other democratic candidates. and whether he would pick up some of those white working class voters and excite enough young people who weren't going to vote to come out to make up for what was lost, you know, that's the equation. and we'll see if we get there. but the thing about, you're right. that what he's basically, he has a progressive agenda that is labeled, that he's labeled as democratic. he has labeled it. biden was right. and he is unrelenting on that and he calls it, he talks, he calls it a revolution. and he says, i'm a democratic socialist. so you can't blame people for taking him at his word. >> for the older generation, that means castro and that sort of thing, it's very alarming for latino communities, latinas.

that's very alarming because of south america. for a lot of people under the age of 40, they don't remember that. >> they're thinking scandinavia. >> you kind of need people over 40 as well. he got people, if the entrance polls mean anything. he did as poorly with the people over 65 as biden did with people under 29. >> socialism means, i think that what he would have to overcome as an optic. it means tons and tons of government spending and government control of things that america is anathema to america. >> it's funny how bernie's ideas have fundamentally shamed the the contractic, that it has shaped the base. i can't claim to know bernie's mind but i would imagine that he would rather be running on the ideas than running on the label. and once he became the nominee,

it is going to be about the label. >> trump is already using it in the state of the union speech. >> he'll call any of them that. that's how powerful that label is. >> the question is, is bernie sanders a democrat? is democrat a, is bernie sanders a democratic socialist? what would he do? you can paint that picture if you're donald trump any was you want. you can talk about the 70% tax rate. and you can scare people about it. >> the thing is, trump will call this party a socialist party no matter what it does. the crazy thing is the label is unpopular, every one of the positions that he's taking is very popular. >> i think that's not exactly true. medicare for all is not a popular position. hold on, hold on. actually -- >> bring down the numbers. >> when you explain it is when it falls away. when you take away your choice on private insurance, it goes from 64% to among democrats, one

polled at 29%. not among the whole population but among democrats. and the thing that i think we should be a little sanguine about on bernie is, revolutions generally don't stall. and this revolution has kind of stalled. you look at the turnout in iowa. and he didn't, the revolution didn't bring out people. it brought out less people. if you look at his fundraising numbers. he raised significantly less in january this time than did he last time. >> but there are so many candidates. >> it is his people. i think if he honestly believes he's leading a revolution, that will turn off as many voters as it turns on. probably more. i will say this on the issues. we were talking about it earlier. the impact is, who would have ever thought that the public option would become the moderate view for the democrats? and that's really, that is significant and that is a contribution. but like moses, i don't think

he's going to get across the sea. >> why not? >> i think he is leading us issuewise to things. >> moses did okay, by the way. he wound up -- >> over the cliff. >> yeah. >> he got across the water. it was the cliff. >> one of the things that we should mention though is when you say, when we say, bernie did significantly better last time. he was in a binary race with hillary clinton. so he was the sort of alternative to her. i think we're getting a purer sense of what his base is now in a divided field. >> and warren matters with bernie's base and there is certain lay segment behind bernie. warren, buttigieg, where does it lead? we'll all go on the ride together and we'll definitely get to the other side. thank you, everybody, for making the coverage what it was. appreciate it.

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