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this is "gps" the global public square. welcome to you in the united states and all around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. donald john trump is acquitted of the charges. the mess in iowa. >> chaos in iowa. >> no results. >> something must be going on. the president's acquita. >> i did nothing wrong. i'll talk about it all with the wry observer of everything
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political and political incorrect. bill maher. also last week president trump announced his middle east peace plan, with no palestinian participation. this tuesday palestinian authority president abbas will give his side of the story to the u.n. security council. i will get at the first from the chief negotiator. and the crisis over the coronavirus in china. we will show you the extraordinary efforts to contain it. and finally, the world's youngest prime minister. she was sworn in recently at the age of 34. top ministers the majority are female, many about the same age. does that matter? i ask her. but first here's my take. after the debacle of the iowa
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caucus, the old quip attributed to will rogers seems right. i am not a member of any organized political party. i am a democrat. that used to be one of the party's strengths. today's collision is much less idea logically defects, but the central challenge remains, to bring it together and, the most worrying news is that the voter turnout was far below that of 2008 when barack obama brought people out in record numbers. the 2020 turnout looks a lot like 2016, not a year to emulate. many democrats have pinned their hopes for energy and enthusiasm on opposition to donald trump, to galvanize the party. iowa suggests that negative energy is not going to be enough. pete buttigieg has pointed out every time democrats have succeeded in the last 50 years,
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it's been with a new generation figure who's not been marinating in washington for a long time. every time we have try to do go with the kind of safe establishment, been here for a long time kind of figure, we have come up short. jim,carter, bill clinton, and barack obama won. suggesting it's a necessary but not sufficient condition. the pattern also speaks to something distinctive about the party. as the saying goes, democrats fall in love, republicans fall in line. the republican party remains a somewhat disciplined group of people focused on winning. consider 2016, when almost all the candidates running against trump, that believed in lindsey wagner's words, but once trump was nominated, the party got squarely behind him.
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today he enjoys a 94% approval rating among republicans. democrats, however, do need to fall in love. they need someone to energize them, come out in droves, and it needs to be someone who represents a new way of thinking. the problem with buttigieg's argument is not that he's wrong about the history, but that his own candidacy, while remarkable and refreshing, seems to mostly inspiring older, whiter democrats rather than younger and more diverse ones. the person most attractive to young democrats remains bernie sanders. the problem is bernie sander is obvious. it's easy to get seduced by the way he represents a new wave, that young people are more open to his idea, we're entering a new world where once unthinkable is not part of the conversation. the samable was made by jeremy
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corbin, and the party suffered its worst defeat since 1985. across western european countries, parties have gone from an average of well over a third of the vote to about a fifth in recent years. those who have succeeded in this environment have tended to be politicians who are fresh, authentic and can appeal to the central, macron, trudeau. the democrats need a candidate who can energize the party's voters and bring together the left and centrist wings, and the evidence suggests no one has been able to do that yes. for more go to cnn.com/fareed and read my "the washington post" column for this week. let's get started. let's get to my interview
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with bill maher. he has had a singular ability to analyze american politics with great humor and -- we sat down on the set which airs on friday nights. hbo and cnn are both oven are owned by warner media. great to have you on. >> always great to be with you. >> what do you think of this week for donald trump? >> i thought it was his best week ever, and most depressing week for me, as someone who is not a fan of donald trump and what he's doing to this country. it was chilling. you know, i knew when he did the state of the union address and stuck to the prompters, which i was very surprised, but we have seen that before, teleprompter trump, and then he has maly nats
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narcissistic personality disorder. it's a real thing. it was going to come out. whoever convinced him on tuesday to stick to the prompter was very good, because that's hard for him. he had 100 off-ramps that he could have do what he usually does. he doesn't usual le see it, but then thursday was just horrible with these veiled threats, people will be in jail, that language. >> why do you think he never pays any price for that? >> because the worst thing that could possibly have happened, that we all feared and talked about, has happened. he's normalized. anything you see enough becomes normal. you don't notice it. he's in a great position. bad is baked into the cake. his fans either love it, because it's trolling or just him, and lots of other people are like,
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yeah, i know it's him, but we all know crazy people in our life. some function, some are in our family and you just sort of accept that. every time you just this horrible jerk, i think ra lot of people go, yeah, that's part and partaling to a strong leadish, and he's getting things done. if you didn't know the facts and watched that state of the union, it was effective. the showmanship that pulled out every stop, the medals, the marine being reunited. that's what he does. it's hard to beat. this is a superhero movie of my favorite kind. this is the moment when superman is on the ground, you know, the kryptonite has weakened him. i don't know how we get to the end of the movie. i know in a superhero movie, they always win, but this is life. i don't know how we get to that place in november 3rd where he's defeated and leaves, which i don't think he's going to do. >> how do you cover somebody
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who's been normalized like that. surely part of the humor, you need people to feel outrage. >> it's not hard to point out the myriad flaws he has and the crazy things he does. it's still fodder for comedy. i'm not worried about the comedy. there's more comedy in this man than any six presidents. presidents usually have one thing about them. bush was dumb, we said, clinton was horny, chris christie is overweight. he's everything. he's a racist, he's horny, he has crazy hair, stormy daniels. i'm not worried about the comedy. i'm worried about the country, and i don't -- the other die pressing thing about this weeks, his best moment the democrats just look line a gang who can't shoot straight or run straight. if they can't get their act together soon it's going to be
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over before it begins. now he's got money and, you know, he's been president. as i say he's normalized to a lot of people. i saw 44% of democrats saying democrats are going to win. no, we can't. >> one of the things i was struck by, i had jared kushner on last week. >> yes, i know. >> he said don't forget 2% of the people who disapproved of mitt romney voted for him. 15% of the people who disapproved of donald trump voted for him in 2016. >> yeah. >> in other words people are forgetting there are a lot of people who do think trump as a character, you know, does lots of vulgar things they wouldn't approve of, but when it's time to vote -- >> that's just him. he is authentic in that way. you know, he's authentically an a-hole.
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in an age that's absent facts and a lot of education, authenticity rules the day. that's why bernie sanders does so well. he's authentic. i think that's why he wound up ahead of elizabeth warren. she came off looking less authentic than he is. >> you remember justin trudeau was caught making fun of trump. they asked trump about it the next day. he was completely honest in the sense of saying, yeah, i thought he was two-faced. he's not pretending. he doesn't play president. he makes this point in his campaign. i am the real thing. you have seen the real thing. >> he never makes a concession to what somebody else wants him to be. i keep saying here, in an age where everything is completely binary, you're either red team or blue ahead, everything a blue players does goes in the blue bin. everybody on the blue team has
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to answer for that. trump doesn't have to be popular. listen to what he always says. you have no choice. you have to vote for me, because he's saying, yeah, you may not like me, i may be crude, vulgar and horrible, but they're crazy. there's a lot of stuff in that blue bin that is crazy. people read it every week, just these things, the too far out left stuff, you know, obama said it, just people are just looking for -- don't do crazy stuff, don't say crazy stuff. we all get tagged with it. they go, yeah, i don't like trump, but he's right, i've got to vote for him. they're nuts. when we come back, i'm going to ask bill maher about the other side of the democrats. >> i love mayor pete. if i had my druthers i would pick him. i was going by the stats.
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joe, but the more i sigh him, he doesn't -- isn't quite the same joe. i worry. i had also have been saying going into a general election, trust me, the republicans will make joe biden a ukraine issue, which is minuscule to trump's corruption sure. they did it with john kerry and george bush, john kerry was the suspect, and george bush was the draft dodger? remember swiftboat, people for bush, all of that? i think that's an albatross around biden's neck, and he just doesn't perform well. i guess some people it doesn't bother, but it's starting to bother me. everybody else is trying to talk over the moderator to get more time. this guy can't wait for the question to be over. i see the light, that's not a
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good sign. what about the others? >> i love mayor pete. i do. if i had my druthers, i would pick him. i wouldn't have said that at first. i was just going by the stats. he's from a little town, he's 37 are you kidding? but i always say a case by case basis with age. he's wise beyond his years. he's not too far left. obviously he has some issues, you know, that people keep endlessly talking about. he's not catching on with the black voters, but it's still early. the way some of these articles where about him, he's not with the klan, you know? give him a chance. >> to the left of obama on all his policies. >> there's not a non-progressive on the democrat side.
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they're at progressives, it's just two are way far left. >> do you feel like you've adjusted? you've always thought of yourself as resolutely left wing. >> no, i was never a democrat. i would say i caucus with them, but they'll do something that i don't want to defend. but when trump came along, i said, yes, there's only two sides now and i can't fool around. i'm with the democrats certainly until we get rid of him. i've almost always voted with the democrats, i didn't think they were great, but the republicans just got worse and worse. but i don't think people know what labels mean. >> but you are critical of bernie or warren on some of them? particularly on immigration -- >> yes, i think it's bad politics. i'm not for that much socialism. i always sigh a capitalism plus. we already have a lot of
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socialism in this country, and i'm for most of it, but a wealth tax? can i say a word for the wealthy, please? i've been very poor. i woke up with roaches crawling across my face for a couple years. i don't feel bad about having money. i can't remember the last year when i didn't pay over 50% to the government. california has an insanely high state tax. so i'm already giving you over half. what hive managed to save after you took over half, now you're coming at it with a wealth tax? we do have a horrible income inequality system, but yes, you can even threaten a good liberal like me. >> do you worry the democrats are not hearing this? between twitter and the primaries, you know, all energy is on the left, but i worry the
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place where we win the election is on -- >> that's what i've been saying. i must admit. i've been all over the map myself. like any democratic voter i'm looking at the field. my mantra so far has been, yes, i think it's still correct, that there's so much room in the center that trump eventually will, i think, excite our base enough that if you just don't scare away too many people, like they did with brett kavanaugh, and maybe with impeachment. if you look at the poll numbers, it doesn't seem to hurt. i love nancy pelosi, but she always says he's wearing it for life, i don't think that's so. i think he'll make it cool, you know, i was impeached, i'm a bad man. if you offer an alternative, a
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place for people to go, i like amy klobuchar a lot. you know people think she's not excited, but she was good cred, she's a woman, pete has woke cred for just being gay, but the policies are centrist. you have to unite those two parts of the democratic party. >> do you think there's enough energy against trump that it will be easier -- >> i think -- i mean, i can't -- he's doing better than he has, but this was a very good week for him. you can always count on him to do horrible things in the future. as i always say to my friends who start going on and on about trump, please, your life is no different, you're probably richer, so shut up until something happens. i think this is last year the normalcy, and then katy bar the door. people are not suffering, he
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hasn't gotten us into a war, and by some miracle he hasn't tanked the economy, but con men are good at coning. people have the belief that america is on the rise, people fall for that, and yes, things will be better, so a lot of it is a self-fulfilling prophecy. the stock market is always very psychological, isn't it? he doesn't have anything but confidence, so maybe he'll blow through the whole first term without any economic problems, and then you're very hard to beat. people vote their pocketbook. on that note, bill maher -- >> not a good week. we'll see. thank you. >> thank you fareed. next, just how bad is china's coronavirus, and how successful have beijing's efforts been to isolate and
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now for our "what in the world" segment. tens of thousands infected, hundreds dead, more than two dozen countries infected and counting. that's the damage inflicted so far by the coronavirus. the w.h.o. has declared a staf
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emergency. many international airlines have stopped flying to china, and governments have chartered flights to evacuate their citizens, but the predigitous state machinery to enact what is believed to be the largest quarantine in human city. in centers an wuhan in hubei province. there most businesses and skewed are closed, highways nearly deserted, public transportation has shut down. routes to the outside world are all but cut off. wuhan has about 11 million residence, but you would never guess that looking at the streets today. a mysterious disease began in late december when a doctor messaged his friends there was an infection in his hospital. the infection was believed to be tied to a seafood market. wuhan authorities promptly shut down the market, but called the
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doctor into the police station and reprimanded him for disrupting the social order. in the days that followed gymnasiums and exhibition centers were turned into makeshift hospitals. workers and police were deployed to take people's temperatures as they entered public places. workers sprayed down streets and hotels with disinfectants. the scale of the lockdown is impressive, but it was also delayed which accounts for the large widespread of the disease as the chinese news outlet reported. between january 23rd and february 4th, the official death toll in hubei province grew by a factor of to, and included in the death toll now is that doctor who first blew the whistle on the disease. faced with the hospital crowding, the government devised an only in china solution. it set out to build two new hospitals in wuhan in under two
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weeks, deploying thousands of construct shuns workers. according to state media both opened and staffed with military medical workers. the precautionary methods have spread beine wuhan. many shops have shuttered in beijing and shanghai. macao shut its casinos. the response has become a matter the patriotism. this week an editorial in the people's daily called for a people's war against the virus, entreating citizens to rally around the committee and xi jinping. this cou this responsibility could probably only happen in hype, but some of the strict liberty.
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late last month the trump administration released the longawaited peace palace for the meet. the peace to prosperity plan was subtitled a vision to improve the lives of the palestinian and israeli people. last week i brought you the plan's mastermind and trump's son-in-law jared kushner. this week i'm joined from the west bank by the chief negotiator for the palestinians. let me ask you, what was your reaction to hearing about this plan? were you consulted in any way? how did it come about, from your point of view? >> to be honest me and my president watched cnn, like you did, like the nigerians, the argentinians, we saw president trump and benjamin netanyahu standing up, congratulating each
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other saying this is perfect, and i thought that a deal comprised an agreement between two seeds, so here i am list listening about the future of the palestinians and my children and grandchildren without even bothering to consult me. i found out that mr. kushner took my job and then copied and pasted every single demand of mr. netanyahu and his colleagues, and then wrapped the agreement, and he sent talking points all over, asking them to share the efforts exhibited by president trump, and in the talks points to all nations, he used some of them with you, when he spoke the first time palestinians -- the first time
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palestinians for a chance for prosperity, a chance to be independent, a chance, which is all distortions and lies. >> let me ask you, fundamentally it does seem that the plan is premised on palestinian weakness. the argument goes, i think, look, the palestinians are now lilliputians in compared to the israeli economy. the arabs are more eager to normalize relations with israel before, particularly saudi arabia and egypt, and in these circumstances, this is the best deal you will get? >> that's what i call dictation, when i combine arrogance and ignorance, you have political blindness. political blindness is what is happening today and yesterday in the west bank, where israelis and palestinians are being killed and wounded.
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the point is, i'm sitting two kilometers from the river, from my hometown jericho, on the mediterranean, i the christian and mott r-- they are what are going to do with me? judaism was never a threat to me, is not a threat, will never be a threat. judaism is one of the god's great religions. these people are so determined that this conflict is a religious one. this conflict, i say, no, it's not a religious one, it's a political one, a national one. he said he had the arabs with him, the europeans with him, the islamic countries with him. i was with my president in ejept a week ago, and it 2 arab
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countries were present there -- saudi arabia, jarreden, egypt. emirates, qatar, nigeria -- all it unanimously rejected the trump deal and said we will not deal in any way with this sham. >> they say all of this, but none of them do anything, none of these so-called allies are willing to put any pressure on. at the end of the day you need the israelis to make the palestinian state, so is your only option to go for a one-state solution? >> my option is two states. i may be in the minority, i'm being criticized heavily by sticking to the two-state solution, but i know in the history that if we want to have
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a solution, we must have a negotiated solution between us and the israelis. if we don't have -- that means this will be translated in the blood of my children and their children. and nobody else will do it for us. so my president will be on the 11th of february, tuesday, in the security council extending his hand to the international community, to convene an international body, an international conference. my president will present a provision, on the basis of the two-state solution ending the occupation, our peace initiative to avoid violence. we can do it, and we will do it. we have no other alternative but to live and let live. i want my grandchildren to live
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like your grandchildren. i want them to be teachers, musicians, soccer players, whatever, and my job is to save lives. as a matter of fact, to safe lives of israelis and palestinians. the only way to do it is through direct negotiations, through two states, the state of palestine, side by side for the security of israel. this will happen. mark my words. we have no alternative, but the difference between those people trying to take us offtrack will be how many israelis and palestinians will be killed. and achieve our end game of the two-state solution, which is the only solution. >> saeb erekat, thank you for being on. >> thank you, fareed. millions of patients are treated with statins-but up to 75% persistent cardiovascular risk still remains.
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history. the election that year was the first time women not only voted but won seats in parliament. finland has continued to break ground on gender equality, and in 2019, an extraordinary shake-up took place. the government is a coalition of five parties, all run by women. four of the five women are 35 or younger. the prime minister is sanna marin. at 34, the world's youngest prime minister. she plashd onto the world stage. i had the great fortune to talk to her on a panel about gender equality last month in toddavos. you became the younger head of government in the world. what was more important? that you were the youngest head of government in the world or that you are family male and you
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have such and young cabinet, which is dominated by women? >> well, thank you very much for having me here. it's a pleasure. it's very interesting and very important topic we are discuss today. actually i didn't focus on the media attention so much. of course, it looks different than we are used to, but i hope in the future it doesn't get as much attention, because it should be also seen as normal that we have different generations, different genders in power to making decisions, because we look at the population, there are different genders, different generations. we need people from all backgrounds. >> but you want it looks different, but is it different to have, you know, a majority of your cabinet as women, so many young, in fact do you think there's something different about the nature of the conversations?
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you've probably been any rooms and committees dominated by men. do you think there's a different quality to the kind of conversation you have now in your cabinet? >> well, we started our work last summer when we formed the government and we changed the prime ministers last december. of course, we do have the same program. we do have the same visions, and we do have the same agenda that we used to have, but of course it's a different environment than we are used to, but i'm the first female prime minister in finland. we also have a female president when i was a young girl and grussing up, so maybe it's not that big a deal in finland that we have women in power and that we have female prime minister. but, of course, it shows something that the media and the global community is talking about it. so maybe today it's something
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else, but hopefully in the future it's the new normal that we have people from all kinds of backgrounds making the decisions in powerful places. >> what i'm trying to get at is there are many women who will say that a conversation ha has more women is less, for example, conflictual, that women tend to be more willing to find a compromise or a solution that is more cooperative. do you believe that's true? or do you think that's in its own way a gender stereotyping, and that actually, you know, men and women are essential, that these dynamics are the same. >> well, i think if we have people from different backgrounds, different genders making the decisions, the decisions are better. different angles are being pointed out and being used, so i
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think it's very important that you have different angles and different backgrounds in the discussion and also in the decision-making process. i think it's better for everybody. it's not only better for women that we have women in charge. it's also better for the men. actually or gender equality minister is a man in our government. so i think it's very good that we have different perspectives. we need everybody on board. >> prime minister, i want some advice from you. i think the u.s., in terms of percentage of women in its legislature, i think it ranks 75th in the world. how do we get it up? >> well, i think you need to make many decisions. we have had for a long time in our law that, for example, in the municipalities, in cities you have to have at least 40% of
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the men or women in the body, so you need laws -- i'm not sure about u.s. legislation if you have something like this, but you need laws and structures that lead the way to gender equality. it just doesn't happen by itself. it just doesn't happen by itself. you need to work on it coincidentally. it's not somebody else's job. this is why i got into politics. i realized things just don't happen by itself. i have to work. i have to do it myself or my friends and people around me had to do it, and we need everybody in laws and making -- taking the steps forward that we will eventually have gender equality. we have lots to offer in
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finland, but i'm not sure why the united states representation is so low when it comes to women. i just don't know. it's a developed country, so you have to ask the u.s. citizens why they are picking men over women. my thanks to the prime minister for that conversation. before we go, pie book of the week is "erdogan's empire." it's written well. whatever people think of president erdogan, he's the most important leader of turkey, and thinks brand of nationalism is trending worldwide. the phenomenon needs greater understanding, which makes the book especially worthwhile. thanks for being a part of my program this week. i will see you next week. \s
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